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Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 03:19 pm: | 
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Time to Stop Looking Past Black KKK: Denial Only Empowers Negative Forces in Community
By JASON WHITLOCK
Could you imagine the level of denial had my column not been written?
We would still be running around pretending that NBA All-Star Weekend was some sort of glorious black holiday, and anyone who dared mention the nasty elements of what transpired in Vegas would be shouted down as a racist.
Denial is a problem's No. 1 enabler.
We have a problem in the black community, and it didn't make its debut at All-Star Weekend Vegas. What was impossible to ignore in Vegas was on display in Houston, Atlanta and previous All-Star locations.
With the exception of Louis Farrakhan's 1995 Million Man March, it's been on display nearly every time we've gathered in large groups to socialize in the past 15 or so years.
The Black Ku Klux Klan shows up in full force and does its best to ruin our good time. Instead of wearing white robes and white hoods, the new KKK has now taken to wearing white Ts and calling themselves gangsta rappers, gangbangers and posse members.
Just like the White KKK of the 1940s and '50s, we fear them, keep our eyes lowered, shut our mouths and pray they don't bother us.
Our fear makes them stronger. Our silence empowers them. Our lack of courage lets them define who we are. Our excuse-making for their behavior increases their influence and enables them to recruit more freely.
We sing their racist songs, gleefully call ourselves the N-word, hype their celebrity and get upset when white people whisper concerns about our sanity.
And whenever someone publicly states that the Black KKK is terrorizing black people, black neighborhoods, black social events and glorifying a negative, self-destructive lifestyle, we deny and blame the Man.
I don't want to do it anymore.
This must be the way Rosa Parks felt on that bus. She was just tired of eating white racist (spit). I'm tired of eating black racist (spit).
I'd like to kick it with my friends without worrying about the Black KKK opening fire in the parking lot. I'm tired of reading the about the drive-bys (modern-day lynchings). It gets old waking up and hearing about the Darrent Williamses, the Tupac Shakurs getting cut down in a hail of gunfire.
I'm tired of the lack of respect, the random violence, the celebration of drug dealers and the insinuation that education is anti-black.
Wednesday I received a troubling e-mail from a fan, someone who writes me frequently. She was upset by my All-Star Weekend column.
"Why are you hating so much these days and why do you sound so bitter," she wrote. "As I always say to you, you are my favorite. I am always looking for your articles, but lately you are just hating. I still love you though!"
The whole All-Star Weekend just put me on edge; it left me in a sour mood. I can't deny what I saw.
When I arrived at the Vegas airport Tuesday afternoon, All-Star Weekend gave me one final kick in the stomach, and I'm not talking about the long lines at the Southwest baggage check-in.
I stood in line for 75 minutes in the Southwest A boarding group. I was fourth in line behind three elderly white people (ages 60 to 75). They beat me in line by three or four minutes. The A, B and C groups were all filled an hour before the flight's scheduled departure.
Twenty feet away from where we all waited in line, a middle-aged black woman (45 to 55), what appeared to be her two sons (22 to 30) and an elderly black man (60s) all sat together and randomly slept, ate and talked.
When it was time to board the flight, the group of four stood, approached the elderly white woman standing in front of me and told her, "We're second in line. That's my bag on the floor."
The elderly white people were obviously intimidated. I wasn't and told the group they were crazy, and they needed to head to the back of the A boarding group and get in line behind all the people who stood for an hour.
Of course, they disagreed. I walked over and told the Southwest boarding agent to fix the problem. He witnessed the whole thing and came over and told the group they needed to move to the back of the A group. Words were exchanged between the agent and the group.
Eventually, and I'm not making this up, one of the young men told the agent that this was racism and they were being to asked to move because they were black. The other young man said that people like me were the reason black people couldn't get ahead.
The rest of the story is boring. I bring the story up to illustrate the mindset that has infected some of us in the black community.
Rosa Parks is a hero because she got tired of white people feeling a sense of entitlement to a seat on a bus wherever they wanted it. They didn't have to respect us. It didn't matter if we were there first and were just as tired. They took what they wanted from us and dared us to do anything about it.
Forty years after Parks' bravery, why would any of us think to heap this kind of disrespect on anyone else?
Why would we fight the white KKK and forty years later embrace the black KKK?
Email Jason Whitlock at ballstate68@aol.com
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Libralind2
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Im feeling Jason.
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Tonya
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quote:Just like the White KKK of the 1940s and '50s, we fear them, keep our eyes lowered, shut our mouths and pray they don't bother us.
Yeah...
tell that to some lonely old Negro who's missing his balls since the 50's.
This article would be a fucking joke if it wasn't making light of something so serious. Here’s hoping Jason loses his balls AT THE NEXT STANLEY CUP
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Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 07:29 pm: |
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Oh hum....anyway...back to reality.....I just learned about this display of Negroes Gone Wild from a close friend who went to Vegas for the game. He confirmed everything this brother talked about. He said it was outrageous. The thuggish bravado and hard core street gang antics and nihilism was in full swing. I agree with what bro Jason said, by not saying anything, by not protesting or condemning the simple minded thug behavior by these knuckleheads, only emboldens and encourages them since it continues to grow in a vacuum of silence by blacks who are just appalled as anyone else.
Nevertheless, you will always have Negroes who take great pride in defending this sociopathological behavior and trash talking about anyone who dares to question it. Whites who voice their disapproval and shock are immediately deemed as dyed in the wool racists and haters of blacks. They have no right under any circumstances to question black pathology.....period! And blacks who dare to break the code of silence are labeled as self hating Uncle Toms and willing agents of white racism for openly criticizing vile and indefensible black behavior.
To these self anointed race pride Negroes, turning ones head and looking the other way is more preferable than voicing concern or disgust at self destructive behavior of brazen street thug mentality blacks. Why? Because white people might hear you and think that all black people do not approve of Negro buffoonery and ignorance. We can't have that!
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Serenasailor
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I not am saying anything about this however, who the HELL are white ppl to sit up here and question anybodies pathology. Like shooting up a school full of little girls, child pornography, and incest don't bring questions of their own. GIMME A BREAK!! And who appointed white ppl and a hand full of bouiseousy Black middle class assholes to be the moral authority.
Yes their are alot of ignorant ass Black ppl. But so are their White, Hispanic, and Asian. But no one calls into question their ignorance. But I guess they get a pass because they are not BLACK!! But I should look the other way also because my MEXICAN gangbanging, drug dealing, loud music playing neighbors and not chastise them because LAWD at least they ain't BLACK!! If they were Black I would have to go over there and slap them on the forehead.
I would like to know who the Hell appointed Bill Cosby, Juan Williams, Black Republicans, and their white counterparts to be the morality police over lower-class Black ppl anyway.
See Ntfs this is where I disagree with you on. Now, I might be wrong and if I am so SUE ME!! But you seem to have some kind of paranoia that I see all the time in the Black elite. Like if them damn ghetto Negroes stop naming they kids those funny names, learn proper English(meaning talk like white ppl), wearing stupid hairstyles(like what you posted in the last thread), and dress "normal" I could get further with the white ppl.
I don't like stupid ignorant behavior in anybody. And believe me I've seen it in every race. Not one moreso than the other.
What I think is if you guys constantly have to explain the actions of every last Black person on the planet earth to your white friends/counterparts than maybe you should start closely evaluating your friendships with your white friends/counterparts. And I know that to ask some of you to break your friendship with non-blacks is out of the question, but I think you need to be more selective in who your non-black friends/counterparts are in that is the case. Or is that out of the question?? |
Serenasailor
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Now here is my question. How come I(or any other Black person for that matter) can't question the moral deprivation of white ppl but they can constantly make comments about any little idiocencracy that they notice in me or any other Black person??
How come I have to grin and smile when and take it as a complement when they say stupid shyt like OMG your different you don't talk, look, act like the rest of them but if I was to say to them OMG you don't smoke Crystal meth, have sex with your sister, and shoot of an entire office building like the rest of them I would be "swinging from a treetop"? |
Serenasailor
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To these self anointed race pride Negroes, turning ones head and looking the other way is more preferable than voicing concern or disgust at self destructive behavior of brazen street thug mentality blacks. Why? Because white people might hear you and think that all black people do not approve of Negro buffoonery and ignorance. We can't have that!!
Is that Black elitist attitude that HATEFUL towards any Black man that doesn't drive a mercedes, have an IV league education, and doesn't have a job that requires him to wear a $5000.00 Hugo boss suit. Or any Black woman that isn't "pencil thin", and doesn't look like Beyonce?
Is the Black elite that much in a race to constantly gain white ppl's approval?
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Tonya
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Not so fast Sambo.
Those NEGROES while outnumbered took out white courts, white sheriffs, white banks and white judges. YOU stand mano-a-mano to KIDS with NO CLOUT and Berettas same as yours. Yet you're a bigger man than the American Negro???
...YOU get real Sambo.
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Tonya
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Sorry, Serenasailor. That wasn't for you; it was to Nfts for always badmouthing Negroes. Shame on him for constantly defaming their name and distorting their legacy. |
Cynique
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I pretty much agree with Jason, especially about the way the black community is being held captive by the thug Nazis who are taking it over. And as far as the incident with the elderly white couple goes, when black folks do terrible things, too many of them justify this by saying "well, white folks act that way, too." But why would we want to emulate the very worst of what whites do. Why stoop to their level, especially since doing so diminishes our own humanity and accomplishing very little in the long run. White racism has to be thwarted at every turn, but right is right and wrong is wrong, and white racism is not counteracted by black idiocy. |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, February 25, 2007 - 11:01 pm: |
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Yes, Cynique white ppl do act that way too!! But no one is justifying it. It's just that Black ppl like you sit around and want to make public spectacles so you can prove to your white conterparts that you are not the same as those Negros. Constantly, standing on your head to prove that they are bad and I am a "good one".
White ppl do act that way and just like White ppl we shouldn't all be held to the same standards because a few act that way. |
Cynique
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I don't have to prove anything to white people, Serenasailor, and I sure don't have to prove anything to you. If anybody needs to prove anything it's YOU. Because if you couldn't rely on distorting the truth, then you'd have nothing to say. |
Serenasailor
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What upsets me is that I have to show White ppl the utmost respect by viewing them as an individual but they can disrespect me and take away my humanity by viewing me as a "group". And saying that they all look, act, and think alike. |
Mzuri
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SS - We shouldn't be held to any standards? Do us a favor and stop talking out of your befuddled ass crack. |
Tonya
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Cynnique, have you ever been "held captive by the thug Nazis" or are you just repeating the lies that this man wrote? I've been living in the Black community for some time now, yet I've never encountered ANY of this drama. Nor have I witnessed a shootout a drug bust a murder--a fight over a pair of sneaker--or ANY of the things the media is shoving down our throats - ever. Now, is it bad out there? Yes. But, if it's as out-of-control and in-your-face as they're saying, why haven't I seen it yet? And, if you're like me and you haven't seen it either, why the reverberation? |
Mzuri
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The OP is referring partly to things that are described below, and the incident the writer experienced at the airport was an aside to support the point of the article - which is that some Black people are out of control with their behavior and conduct, and unfortunately this reflects badly upon all of us.
Mayhem Main Event at NBA All-Star Weekend
'Police Were Simply Overwhelmed' in Sin City
By JASON WHITLOCK
Updated:2007-02-21 01:25:57
LAS VEGAS -- NBA All-Star Weekend in Vegas was an unmitigated failure, and any thoughts of taking the extravaganza to New Orleans in 2008 are total lunacy.
An event planned to showcase what is right about professional basketball has been turned into a 72-hour display of why commissioner David Stern can't sleep at night and spends his days thinking of rules to mask what the NBA has come to represent.
Good luck fixing All-Star Weekend.
The game is a sloppy, boring, half-hearted mess. The dunk contest is contrived and pointless. The celebrity contest is unintended comedy. And, worst of all, All-Star Weekend revelers have transformed the league's midseason exhibition into the new millennium Freaknik, an out-of-control street party that features gunplay, violence, non-stop weed smoke and general mayhem.
Word of all the criminal activity that transpired during All-Star Weekend has been slowly leaking out on Las Vegas radio shows and TV newscasts and on Internet blogs the past 24 hours.
"It was filled with an element of violence," Teresa Frey, general manager for Coco's restaurant, told klastv.com. "They don't want to pay their bills. They don't want to respect us or each other."
Things got so bad that she closed the 24-hour restaurant from 2 a.m. to 4 a.m.
"I have been spit on. I have had food thrown at me," she said. "I have lost two servers out of fear. I have locked my door out of the fear of violence."
All weekend, people, especially cab drivers, gossiped about brawls and shootings. You didn't know what to believe because the local newspaper was filled with stories about what a raging success All-Star Weekend was. The city is desperately trying to attract an NBA franchise, and, I guess, there was no reason to let a few bloody bodies get in the way of a cozy relationship with Stern.
Plus, the NBA's business partner ESPN didn't have time to dirty its hands and report on the carnage. I'm sure ESPN's reporters were embedded in the rear ends of the troops -- Shaq, Kobe, King James, D-Wade, AI and Melo.
But there were multiple brawls, at least two shootings, more than 350 arrests and a lot of terror in Vegas over the weekend.
And the police might want to talk to NFL player Pacman Jones about a nasty shooting spree at a Vegas strip club. Jones and the rapper Nelly were allegedly at Minxx Gentlemen's Club Monday morning shortly before (or during) the shooting.
Two victims, male employees of the club, were listed in critical condition at the hospital; a third, a female patron, sustained non-life threatening injuries after being grazed by a bullet.
There were so many fights and so many gangbangers and one parking-lot shootout at the MGM Grand that people literally fled the hotel in fear for their safety. I talked with a woman who moved from the MGM to the Luxor because "I couldn't take it. I'll never come back to another All-Star Game."
There are reports of a brawl between rappers and police at the Wynn Hotel.
Vegas police were simply overwhelmed along The Strip. They were there solely for decoration and to discourage major crimes. Beyond that, they minded their own business.
I was there. Walking The Strip this weekend must be what it feels like to walk the yard at a maximum security prison. You couldn't relax. You avoided eye contact. The heavy police presence only reminded you of the danger.
Without a full-scale military occupation, New Orleans will not survive All-Star Weekend 2008.
David Stern seriously needs to consider moving the event out of the country for the next couple of years in hopes that young, hip-hop hoodlums would find another event to terrorize. Taking the game to Canada won't do it. The game needs to be moved overseas, someplace where the Bloods and Crips and hookers and hoes can't get to it without a passport and plane ticket.
I'm serious. Stern has spent the past three years trying to move his league and players past the thug image Ron Artest's fan brawl stamped on the NBA.
After this weekend, I'm convinced he's losing the battle. All-Star Weekend Vegas screamed that the NBA is aligned too closely with thugs. Stern is going to have to take drastic measures to break that perception/reality. All-Star Weekend can no longer remain the Woodstock for parolees, wannabe rap artists and baby's mamas on tax-refund vacations.
This was not a byproduct of the game being held in Vegas. All-Star Weekend has been on this path for the past five or six years. Every year the event becomes more and more a destination for troublemakers.
If something isn't done, next year's All-Star Weekend will surpass the deceased Freaknik, a weekend-long party in Atlanta, in terms of lawlessness. Wide-spread looting and a rape killed the Freaknik in 1999.
The NBA's image cannot survive bedlam in the French Quarter. And I'm not sure it can survive the embarrassment of a New Orleans standoff between its fans and the National Guard, either.
If Stern wants to continue to strengthen the international appeal of his game, he has the perfect excuse to move the All-Star Game to Germany, China, England or anywhere Suge Knight's posse can't find it.
http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/mayhem-main-event-at-nba-all-star/200702201030 09990001
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Cynique
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You're once again distorting the truth, Serenasailor. I know it kills you to acknowledge it but the tired ol argument that all white people treat all black people as an indistinguishable group instead of as individuals is not true, especially since you're the main one always bitching about how certain blacks are treated differently from others because they look differently. No matter what the circumstances of the truth are, when you distort the truth then you hamper your chances of solving problems. I said that black idiocy is not an effective weapon against white racism. Blacks should pick their battles and it's counterproductive to expend a lot of energy bitching about what whites do, when focus should be placed on blacks competing with whites in the areas where it matters as opposed to trying to outdo them when it comes to being stupid. |
Cynique
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Yes, Tonya, my whole town is at the mercy of thug nazis and not a month goes by that someone isn't either wounded or killed in gang crossfire. And there is also a thriving drug trade going on here. This town used to be a nice little village to raise a family in but the gangsta element gradually infilterated it and now all of the upstanding citizens are paying the price. Incidentally one of the young men caught in gang crossfire back in 2005 was my 22-year-old grandson. His murder took all of the fight of my husband who was battling cancer and he died the following year. |
Cynique
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And I might add that what goes on in my little suburban home town is multiplied many times over in Chicago just as it is in most big cities. You must live in a vacuum, Tonya. |
Mzuri
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Oh Cynique, I'm so sorry about what happened to your family. It just breaks my heart.
I don't walk in fear but I remember back in the olden days (the 70s) when you could go to a house party or a concert and have a good time. You could go to the home of total strangers and be made to feel welcome. Now you have to watch your back nearly every place you go. You can't even walk into a 7-11 without looking around to make sure it's not getting robbed or about to get robbed. You can't go to an ATM or conduct any type of a money transaction without being a little paranoid. I remember a time when reports of a crime on the evening news was a rarity, and now that's all the news programs consist of. This one got stabbed, that one got raped, and the one over here got mauled by someone's out of control pitbull dog. We hear about so much criminality and violence that it doesn't even seem to faze us anymore.
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Tonya
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Sorry to hear that, Cynnique, really. My heart goes out to you. But if what happened to you ever happened to me, I'm sure I’d see it like you do.
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Renata
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Unfortunately, everyone's right......to a point.
I've never seen anything like that here in Atlanta myself, and years ago, my husband and I would stay out to all hours of the night. My husband used to work in East Point, which (along with College Park) is supposed to be "blacker" than Atlanta. All of the Krogers, Walgreens, and a lot of restaurants are open 24 hours. I wouldn't even hesitate to grab my son and run to the store with him at 2 am if I suddenly needed something.
Even people say that the 92-year-old that was shot by police lived in a very dangerous neighborhood, but she didn't have any problems AT ALL.....before the police showed up. And she was a single woman with no children who's lived there alone since the seventies.
It must be a generational thing versus a racial thing. Over the past few years, Vietnamese restaurants have been closing on the southern end of Buford Highway. A friend of my husband's who is Bangladeshi bought one and converted it into a Bangladeshi restaurant. It seems the east Asian gangs kind of terrorize business owners (mostly Vietnamese) until they scare them off. That ain't newsworthy. Cascade/Ben Hill/Benjamin Mays/Abernathy area is just black middle aged people with teenagers. We'll see what happens as this crowd gets older.
Also, there's been a bustup of a thirteen county multimillion dollar marijuana/cocaine ring. Most of the perpetrators lived in 400,000+ dollar homes and were said to be doing voodoo curses on the community to keep others from telling the police. They weren't black people. |
Renata
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Heck, the whole reason I moved to this neighborhood is because it's all black and I assumed (and was right) that I'd be safer here than in Buckhead/Midtown. |
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LOL.....Buford Highway USED TO BE comprised of African, Hispanic, and Asian immigrants with a few white people thrown in.......
There are hardly any African people living there anymore. They were scared off by the gangs and club shootouts there, so they decided to move to black neighborhoods and to Gwinnett County (which is now having a problem with hispanic gangs). LOL |
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I don't walk in fear but I remember back in the olden days (the 70s) when you could go to a house party or a concert and have a good time. You could go to the home of total strangers and be made to feel welcome. Now you have to watch your back nearly every place you go. You can't even walk into a 7-11 without looking around to make sure it's not getting robbed or about to get robbed. You can't go to an ATM or conduct any type of a money transaction without being a little paranoid. I remember a time when reports of a crime on the evening news was a rarity, and now that's all the news programs consist of. This one got stabbed, that one got raped, and the one over here got mauled by someone's out of control pitbull dog. We hear about so much criminality and violence that it doesn't even seem to faze us anymore.
Latina_WI: Maybe times really have changed because my friend went to an 18th birthday party in a club in London (north west) and someone shot at the ceiling.
My friend isn't from a bad area; her family are well off and she went to a boarding school but it is the people she chooses to mix with are up to no good.
Anyways, the young men who had done gun shots at the ceiling were two very young black boys (about twelve) and they were standing outside the clubbing talking about 'how they would f'ck up anyway who messed with them'. My friend was shcoked into a standstill at what happened but then quickly left when it sank it.
She said the saddest thing was she wasn't suprised at going to a party and hearing gunshots. The party was 90% black (my friend is Middle Eastern though).
I was totally flabbergasted that things like this were happening. It is giving everyone else a bad name. |
Mzuri
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Her first paragraph was a copy of my post, which is irrelevant to what she stated so I don't know why she copied it.
People, if you're going to quote others please use some sort of designator - quotation marks, bold font or something. Save the confusion.
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Is the Black elite that much in a race to constantly gain white ppl's approval?
(It is their sole reaon for existence.
And it is the reason they will reap the whirlwind.
God delivered them from the slavemaster only to have them run into his arms the first chance they get.
Guess what happens to people who do this?) |
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Her first paragraph was a copy of my post, which is irrelevant to what she stated so I don't know why she copied it.
Latina_wi: The first part of your paragraph which I copied and pasted was relevant to what I was writing (well I thought so anyways).
You were basically saying how times had changed, which I was adding to.
I differentriate my quotes by putting my name before I write something (thought that was obvious) - there is no need for the pedantic nitpicking. Kind of dry! |
Cynique
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LOL. Sorry. My bad. Thanks for setting me straight, Mzuri. Back to the subject at hand. All of the clubs in Chicago's loop have been shutting down because the parties held there always ended up with fights breaking out or with somebody getting shot, and all of this is instigated by this new breed of heat-packin young brothas who'd just as soon shoot a person as look at them. BTW my grandson did not choose his friends wisely. He was drawn to the excitment of the street life, and in the following years THREE more of the guys that he'd grown up with were also shot to death. These were all young guys who were from good families but who were on the fringes of the thug life. |
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All of the clubs in Chicago's loop have been shutting down
(So if I come to Chicago I will find no clubs open in the loop) |
Cynique
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Very few of the clubs around the loop that cater to blacks are still operating. The one where the body guard of Chicago Bear Tank Johnson was shot to death is the most recent one to close. The owners of another club where a fight broke out and panic ensued causing a stampede that killed 22 people are now on trial for not providing better security and for exceeding the number patrons the venue was able to handle. |
Chrishayden
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They have been shooting people to death in and around clubs in Chicago for a hundred years. Now you want to tell me because blacks busted a few caps everybody is terrified and running for the hills.
Now hear this. Business is booming. In fact people are probably hoping to see a nice gunfight as part of the entertainment.
Plus, I bet those Mafia clubs down on Rush Street haven't had any trouble.
You need to try to run this by somebody who just got off the boat or something.
Put in some bouncers with AK-47's and some metal detectors and keep raking in the dough. Get strapped and vested and get your party on.
The only thing you have to fear is fear itself--a white man once said that. You might give it some thought. |
Mzuri
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Shut up Chris. •••• ing moron. |
Serenasailor
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You know what is funny Cynique is that where I live(Los Angeles) is being controlled by thug Nazi's too. But they are not Black their Hispanic. And these Hispanics are killing Black, Asians, and Whites. But since Hispanics don't have a history of being demonized by the media their crimes seem to go unnoticed.
But now if a Black person commits such crimes it reflects on the whole Black race. |
Chrishayden
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And in Texas killing is an everyday thang. The government is killing, the police are killing, the people are killing each other, and they are all happy together.
You ain't heard nobody saying they want to move, have you? |
Chrishayden
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But since Hispanics don't have a history of being demonized by the media their crimes seem to go unnoticed.
(I guess you don't watch Lou Dobbs on CNN. Or Fox Network. Or listen to Rush Limbaugh. Or watch "The Shield".
I live in St. Louis and I know all about the 18th Street gang, and M-12 (that Salvadoran gang) and the vatos and low riders and the pachucos
Why is it I know this and nobody else don't? Or maybe they do, ese? Maybe we were just venting and getting emotional, ese? Maybe loco, ese? |
Ntfs_encryption
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"Like shooting up a school full of little girls, child pornography, and incest don't bring questions of their own. GIMME A BREAK!! And who appointed white ppl and a hand full of bouiseousy Black middle class assholes to be the moral authority."
Oh, I agree. But I do not recall anyone making excuses for poor white behavior. And I have never heard anyone suggest shooting little girls is a good thing nor has anyone openly advocated pedophilia (except NAMLBA). The entire nation was appalled and stunned at the murder of those girls and everyone I know despises child molesters. You do not have to be white nor "bouiseousy" Black middle class (what ever that is) to take a moral stand against poor inexcusable behavior.
"But so are their White, Hispanic, and Asian. But no one calls into question their ignorance. But I guess they get a pass because they are not BLACK!!"
That's not true. I regularly see articles, television programs, web sites, radio programs and books addressing social dysfunctional families, American culture, white collar crime, the psychopathology of individuals (non-black), cultural alienation, etc, etc, etc....all the time. Much of it is directed at whites and Latinos. Asians, as a group, however, have the lowest rate of incarcerations, illegitimacy and crippling sociopathological behavior than whites, blacks and Latinos. So they are not a major player in the equation. So, no one is getting a free pass as you have suggested.
"But I should look the other way also because my MEXICAN gangbanging, drug dealing, loud music playing neighbors and not chastise them because LAWD at least they ain't BLACK!!"
No. And no one suggested that you should. You see, the problem is this; For some strange knee-jerk reactionary reason, many blacks instinctively attempt to justify and rationalize poor black behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. It reminds me of Sean Hannity when confronted about failures and excesses within the republican party. His defense? Instead of directly addressing the issues at hand, he flips the script and points to poor behavior by democrats. As if that excuses and justifies the poor behavior of the republicans. It does not! Same goes here. You cannot justify nor morally dismiss outrageous antisocial behavior by wilding Negroes in Vegas by pointing to Mexican gang bangers or brawling drunken white European soccer fans! Brazen pathological social behavior is just what it is -brazen pathological social behavior!! It doesn't matter what color your skin is! So why are you trying to excuse it?
"See Ntfs this is where I disagree with you on. Now, I might be wrong and if I am so SUE ME!! But you seem to have some kind of paranoia that I see all the time in the Black elite. Like if them damn ghetto Negroes stop naming they kids those funny names, learn proper English(meaning talk like white ppl), wearing stupid hairstyles(like what you posted in the last thread), and dress "normal" I could get further with the white ppl."
No paranoia here. But when you willingly indulge in self destructive behavior, you do just that. When you allow yourself to become party to anti-social thuggish behavior that will isolate and alienate you from the greater society, well, you do just that. There is no such thing as a black elite. That's just a distractive duplicitous media term created by those who have a need to divide and categorize people for their needs whether it be political, race or class. I don't know of any black elite. Maybe because I think the term is silly and ridiculous. But if you make up farcical names for your children, you mark them for life. If you refuse to master or correctly articulate the national language or wear corn roles (with a throw back jersey on) to a major job interview or wear your pants hanging off your ass, well, you should understand that certain things will work for you in life and certain things will not. It's just that simple. Race has nothing to do with it. And I never used the term "wearing stupid hairstyles" in any thread!
"What I think is if you guys constantly have to explain the actions of every last Black person on the planet earth to your white friends/counterparts than maybe you should start closely evaluating your friendships with your white friends/counterparts."
Ya know, I'm glad you said that. Now I can set the record straight. Please understand this: THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION HAS NOTHNG TO DO WITH WHITE PEOPLE OR WHAT WHITE PEOPLE THINK! THEY HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE -PERIOD!!!!! It seems as if you cannot believe a black person can disapprove or question poor black behavior without being told to do so by a white person! Do you really believe a black person cannot (or should not) morally object and openly castigate black anti-social behavior? As if it were the behavioral norm (thuggish anti-social by the Negroes in Vegas)for black people and any questioning of sordid black sociopathology would suggest race disloyalty! Such thinking is a stinging slap in the face to the overwhelming majority of black Americans who disapprove of these out of control street thugs and wannabe gangsta knuckleheads.
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Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 1891
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"Not so fast Sambo.
Those NEGROES while outnumbered took out white courts, white sheriffs, white banks and white judges. YOU stand mano-a-mano to KIDS with NO CLOUT and Berettas same as yours. Yet you're a bigger man than the American Negro???
...YOU get real Sambo."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! This is funny. Typical and predictable nonsensical drivel from someone who is incapable of submitting an intelligent argument. Name calling is preferred when these Negroes cannot articulate a convincing or reasonable counter statement. Not much more to say here. I'm done.............
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Cynique
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Screw all of the back story about Chicago in the 1920s and what goes on in LA (discounting the Crips and the Bloods), the fact remains that my young relatives who live in the chicagoland area say that patronizing what used to be the trendy down town lounges frequented by blacks has now become a matter of taking your life in your hands because the night invaribly ends up in a lot of violence, which is why so may of the clubs have closed. And once again, how notorious the hispanic gangs are in LA and St. Louis doesn't disprove what is being claimed about the clubs in the Chicago down town district. The hispanic gangs whose turf is in the northern part of my home towns are not killing blacks. The black gang members are killing each other and anybody who gets in their crossfire. |
Chrishayden
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You're just a frightened old woman and you just need to pull down the shades, turn off the tv, and listen to Pat Robertson and read the Bible and stop screaming nonsense that mostly goes on in your mind because you never go out to see it. |
Mzuri
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Chris - The only person around here generating nonsense is you!
And why did you start another thread about this same topic anyway? Nevermind. Because you're stupid. |
Chrishayden
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Chris - The only person around here generating nonsense is you!
And why did you start another thread about this same topic anyway? Nevermind. Because you're stupid.
(A man could get to like these twosomes!) |
Cynique
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If you knew as much as you think you know, chrishayden, you'd be a genius. As it is, you are an ignorant jerk who has manufacture lies in order to make yourself look less stupid. Your neurotic need to turn a deaf ear to anything that upsets your fragile vision of pristine black America is pathetic. And you talk about me living in never-never land. Puleeze. |
Serenasailor
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Here is the problem Ntfs no one is judging those other ppl(Whites, Hispanics, and Asians) by their race. Like you when they do focus on the pathology of those ppl it will be blamed on the American culture. It rarely if anything focuses on their RACE!! That not the case with Black ppl however.
The media tends to focus on us as a RACE!! And when they do focus on us as in the context of the American society they will make sure to point out how good the American society is and how BAD Black ppl act and that they can't "Fit in".
Take school desegregation for instance. Dateline did a special on some obscure poor Black ppl down south last year. They made sure to point out how Bad these Black kids were and how they had all the amenities they needed to succeed but they didn't want to. However, when you took a closer look you noticed that the school itself was very "rundown". These children didn't even have books, however they kept focusing on these low-income Black ppl and how "ghetto and nasty" they were.
Not only that!! What really has changed? Schools were never desegregated in the "first place". They aren't spending money on these children. Yet, they make sure to focus any kind of pathology that is apparent.
Not only that there is no "Black Elite". EXCUSE ME!! Bill Cosby himself during his speech/rant kept making the distinction between himself and the "lower-class Black ppl". So GIVE ME A BREAK!! |
Tonya
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quote:They have been shooting people to death in and around clubs in Chicago for a hundred years. Now you want to tell me because blacks busted a few caps everybody is terrified and running for the hills.
Now hear this. Business is booming. In fact people are probably hoping to see a nice gunfight as part of the entertainment.
Plus, I bet those Mafia clubs down on Rush Street haven't had any trouble.
You need to try to run this by somebody who just got off the boat or something.
Put in some bouncers with AK-47's and some metal detectors and keep raking in the dough. Get strapped and vested and get your party on.
The only thing you have to fear is fear itself--a white man once said that. You might give it some thought.
Right on the money.
The first thing I learned in my first Justice course as a criminal justice major was that crime fluctuates back & forth. Sometimes there are trends in crimes which might seem like surges, but annual crime statistics will show a mild spike in crimes, a plateau or a drop in them; and then when future crime reports are released, the numbers will go up & down but they never go outside of the normal flux. However, people's perception of crime is so heavily influenced by the media that to them things seem more catastrophic than they actually are. Because if you're watching violent crimes for one hour each day on the news--(like most people do)--your perception of crime is mostly likely going to reflect what you take in everyday from the news. And all throughout this course my professor kept implying that the media does this purposely to promote public fear and maintain their ratings. And people believe it fully and before long they become the news promoting fear and in some cases maintaining the status quo. |
Tonya
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..that's supposed to say most likely.
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Cynique
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It is what it is. Never before has there been so much murder and violence among blacks in the venue of night clubs. You guys can intellectualize and conceptualize and minimize. But the fact remains that black folks in Chicago who used to want to go out and have fun are now inhibited because they don't want to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and pay for it with their lives because more often than not, the victims of the violence that erupts are innocent bystanders. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"Here is the problem Ntfs no one is judging those other ppl(Whites, Hispanics, and Asians) by their race. Like you when they do focus on the pathology of those ppl it will be blamed on the American culture. It rarely if anything focuses on their RACE!! That not the case with Black ppl however."
SS, this has nothing to do with judging someone for their race. This is not a question of genetics -it's a question of poor behavior that is independent of race! No one has stated nor suggested the "Negroes Gone Wild" in Vegas did so because they were black! But they happen to be black and their egregious behavior was condemned by a black person. And I have no idea why you consistently keep dragging whites into the debate -they have nothing to do with this!
"The media tends to focus on us as a RACE!! And when they do focus on us as in the context of the American society they will make sure to point out how good the American society is and how BAD Black ppl act and that they can't "Fit in"."
Listen, if you want to make an argument about blacks being unfairly characterized in the media, fine. I have no problem with that. I don't think any fair minded individual would argue against you for pointing this out. But we are not discussing media stereotyping. WE ARE DISCUSSING THE OUTRAGEOUS ANTICS OF THUGGISH NEGROES ON A RAMPAGE THAT TOOK PLACE! This has nothing to do with media stereotyping -their behavior is not in dispute nor is it being inaccurately reported. As I said before, I talked to a black man who was there and his views and disgust reflected that of the writer. Why does speaking out against vulgar and thuggish behavior offend and upset you??????
"Take school desegregation for instance. Dateline did a special on some obscure poor Black ppl down south last year. They made sure to point out how Bad these Black kids were and how they had all the amenities they needed to succeed but...............
Not only that!! What really has changed? Schools were never desegregated in the "first place". They aren't spending money on these children. Yet, they make sure to focus any kind of pathology that is apparent."
I can't comment on that particular show because I did not see it. But I will say this however, I do tire of the excuse making and rationalizations Negroes bleat because of poor schools. My mom just told me this weekend that the yearly report of state academic performance testing showed a complete failure (lowest test scores in the state of Ohio) in the public schools. It also mentioned the level of violence and truancy. Now, I went to those same public schools along with my friends many years ago. The kids in those schools can no longer read, write or do math. Why? We did! My classmates went to Princeton, Annapolis, MIT, West Point, Oberlin, Ohio State, etc, etc. There was no gang banging, guns or weapons on campus, drugs being used or sold on the school grounds, no one was ever shot nor was teen pregnancy tolerated in the schools.
And I never heard of a teacher being physically assaulted nor threatened by a student. Our parents would attend PTA meetings, come to all the sports events and would march up to the school in heart beat if any inappropriate behavior was reported. TODAY, IT'S THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE! Why???
These pubic schools were the same identical schools I attended but now they are in total chaos, immersed in drugs, gangs, horrible academic standing and virtually non-existent parental participation and involvement. Whose fault is that? The white man?? Another thing, when I was young and lived in my home city, you could go anywhere you wanted with relative safety. No one bothered you. Not any more! The violence, crime and homicides is at an all time high. IT WAS NOTHING LIKE THAT WHEN I LIVED THERE! And unfortunately, the overwhelmingly majority of crime perpetrators, victims of assaults, attempted murder and homicide are black!!! Again, it wasn't like that when I lived there. Sorry if this offends you but it is true.
'Not only that there is no "Black Elite". EXCUSE ME!! Bill Cosby himself during his speech/rant kept making the distinction between himself and the "lower-class Black ppl". So GIVE ME A BREAK!!"
Good. I'm glad he did. He told the truth. I'm not going to even debate this. But I will say this, he was making a statement about the pathology of the black underclass. A fact that documents itself every day with or without Mr. Cosbsy even mentioning it. And yes, I know I am the only person on this board that agrees with him. And you should know that regardless of the backlash -I'm not backing down from doing so.
Openly discussing the abysmal behavior of certain blacks may offend you Serenasailor, but you cannot honestly deny the rampant illegitimacy, drugs, gangs and family dysfunction of an unfortunate number of the black underclass. Do you think by denying it or attacking someone who comments about it, it will magically go away? And regardless of what Mr. Cosby said, that in no way means there is some "omniscient black elite" that you stridently believe. His comments reflect an ongoing pathology that is irrefutable for a number of blacks. BUT THEIR BEING GENETICALLY BLACK HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! I came from an economically poor background so I'm living proof that it is not genetic. No one is attempting to make that argument. And once again, I know of no "black elite". But I do know the majority of black Americans do not approve of the pandemic chaos and antisocial behavior of a minority of blacks.
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Lil_ze
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this is a good thread (topic).
sure there are some valid points brought up regarding the "behavior" of certain members of the "black community".
many times ive seen some of our people behave in a manner that is just AMAZINGLY ignorant and offensive.
many times its just an embarrasment.
my problem with the way jason whitlock goes about talking about these problems we all (those of us who are not in denial) see regarding the behavior of some of our people.
is that jason whitlock chooses to "air our dirty laundry" on "white media outlets", and its almost like the "white powers that be" are silently using the words of one of our people to say "see, even one of their OWN people understand how depraved these blacks are".
i heard jason whitlock on a white talk show this afternoon (here in nyc).
it was like the white talk show host was having a great time listening to a "blackman" speak about the disgusting behavior of "blacks".
i understand that jason whitlock is not talking about ALL blacks, but in the context of a "white talk show", its made to appear that MOST blacks are running around "out of control".
im not blind.
i have some friends that went to vegas for "all star weekend".
and i believe them when they say that many "thug types, were causing all kind of havoc there.
there are definate issues with this stupid "macho/thug" mentality that we ALL see on a daily basis.
but i really don't like seeing our people who are vocal about these issues "running to the white man", in order to voice their opinions.
many times the "white man" just uses this as "ammo" to slander our people.
not that the white man is not doing this anyway.
there are some valid points jason whitlock makes though. |
Jackie
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Chris:I live in St. Louis and I know all about the 18th Street gang, and M-12 (that Salvadoran gang) and the vatos and low riders and the pachucos
LOL ! Chris you know all about'em huh ? It's MS 13 B*K*A Mara Salvatrucha from El Salvador. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"but i really don't like seeing our people who are vocal about these issues "running to the white man", in order to voice their opinions."
Lil_ze, this has nothing to do with running to the white man. It is clearly evident that the Negro naysayers and PC zealots are incapable of articulating an argument without dragging whites into the debate. ONCE AGAIN -THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE!!!!!!! It is about speaking out against inexcusable bad behavior -not racism or white people or Uncle Toms or barbecuing or sailing! Got it? Why is it that black people are not allowed to openly voice their objections to the sociopathic antics of outrageous Negroes without being shouted down and heatedly condemned? Why the code of silence? Is ignoring and pretending it doesn't exist preferable to honest critical commentary?
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Lil_ze
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ntfs, i think you may have misunderstood my post.
i totally understand that the "white man" has ZERO to do with the pathological behavior of some of our people.
i was just giving my observations about a "small aspect" of this situation.
and there is no "code of silence" on my part.
nor is there any ignoring or pretending something doesn't exist preferable to honest critical commentary (not on my part).
ill be the first one to say YES, there is too much "sociopathic behavior" on the part of our people.
inexcusable behavior IS inexcusable. so im not attempting to "side-step" or "place blame" anywhere on where it should be placed.
at the feet of these animal like black savages, who's behavior is more base than the wildest animal.
but i do stand behind what i said about some "black" critics of this disgusting behavior "running to" white media, in order to convey their message.
who said that black people are not "allowed" to voice their objections, without being shouted down or condemned?
ive never condemned or "shouted down" any black persons objections to this beast like behavior on the part of some blacks.
i actually welcome it. |
Abm
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There are MANY problems amongst Black foks. Our high rates of high school dropouts, unemployments, HIV infection, out-of-wedlock birth/fatherlessness and incarceration are the source/consequence of many of the problems Whitlock decry.
However, it's a bit simplistic to paint broad brushes about how bad things are amongst African Americans. There are many things are actually better amongst us now than that a generation or so ago:
@ Murder rates are down
@ Crack cocaine consumption is down
@ Domestic violence rates are down
@ Business startup are increasing
@ Teen pregnancy rates are down
But because Black foks are freer to express themselves now than they previously were, our ills often appear more worse than perhaps they really are, especially given that there are many - Black & White - who revel in and profit from presenting them. |
Yvettep
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I am late to this conversation so I will not comment on any of y'all's specific points. I do, however, have some issues with the article this gentleman wrote.
First, I have a gut level negative reaction when ever folks seem so quick to make comparissons between themselves and situations now and people/situations in the past. I know that this writer was doing some of that for effect and that he is likely quite aware of history. But still I am annoyed.
For example saying he knows how Rosa Parks felt. No. Likely he doesn't. He waited until he was back in the comfort of his office, in front of his computer to speak out and stand up. Sister Parks risked her immediate life to stand for justice at the very moment the injustice was being perpetrated against her.
Further, despite our (IMO, awful) mythology about this being a spur of the moment decision ("She was jus' TIIIIII-ardddd...") this was part of an organized strategy that was well thought out by a group of activists with a long range plan for change. If Mr. Whitlock is part of some organized group or if he has some wider plan, I failed to pick that up from his piece above.
The writer's invokation of the KKK is troubling as well. He manages to mask both the different motivations of the real KKK and the "Black KKK," as well as the larger impact on Black people and society. For example, he says "The Black Ku Klux Klan shows up in full force and does its best to ruin our good time. Instead of wearing white robes and white hoods, the new KKK has now taken to wearing white Ts..." Um. No. The real KKK was not about spoiling our good time. It was about a systematic terrorist campaign to rob us of our lives and humanity.
Having said all this, I sincerely do understand his frustrations. I do not think his comments are a matter of being ashamed at what Whites will think, but an honest and deep sadness at what continues to happen in so many of our communities. I have friends and family members who have been caught up in this nonsense on both sides (victims as well as perpetrators), as well as family and friends working in the criminal justice sector. I know that no matter how much the media may engage in scare tactics (and yes, they do), this stuff does go on and it is real and there are many people who are living in fear. I do not think anything is served by denying the existence of problems (any more than what is served by overemphasizing them).
The situation needs to change. No doubt. I just wonder what purpose articles like this serve, except to further divide people who could be allies in actually making change. For example: I know how many of you feel about the "n-word" controversy. (I am one of maybe 3 folks here who seem to be anti-n-word.) But I respect efforts--especially by young folks themselves--to think critically about its use and try to change habits and minds.
Another example: I also know how many of you feel about Bill Cosby's recent efforts. But I respect his efforts to pull together people who may be able to actually do something about the things he identifies. Including former and current gang members, as well as community activists who are speaking out and making stands in person while trying to engage the young people caught up in all this.
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Yvettep
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Oh. I thought of a good summary for the above: SPEAK OUT against Black community and family violence--please do. But please do so in a way that might spur constructive action--especially avoid annoying and spurious comparissons between situations and people now and in our past.
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Tonya
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LOOKS LIKE we'll be putting poverty before our own interests when it's time to vote. Yepee!
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Ntfs_encryption
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Registered: 10-2005
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"but i do stand behind what i said about some "black" critics of this disgusting behavior "running to" white media, in order to convey their message."
Understood. If a black critic is making the issue racial rather than "class" or "generational", yes, I would have a problem with it also. I saw Alphonso Jackson one day (joined the Bush administration in June of 2001 as HUD's Deputy Secretary and Chief Operating Officer) on television ranting and raving about blacks and poverty. The man sounded like a black Rush Limbaugh or David Horowitz ripping blacks to pieces. He was condemning white liberals for befriending blacks, civil rights laws, affirmative action, the evils and duplicity of so called black leaders, quoting statistics on black crime and incarcerations, blacks dependence on welfare (as a group!), etc, etc, etc.... I was stunned to hear such vitriolic nonsense coming from a black man about his own race.
It reminded me of an instance one time when I was listening to my car radio one night. Ken Hamblin (black right wing apologist and Rush Limbuagh disciple -he's very open about it) was taking calls on his radio program. A white guy called in and was voicing his concerns and disgust at the violent thuggish behavior by some black street thugs and drug dealers in Washington, DC, where he lived. Now, the guy was not making it a racial issue, but the knuckleheads were black. Anyway, Hamblin said, "Sir...sir...listen. Do you know why they were acting like that?" The man stuttered somewhat, unsure of what to say and said, "Uhhhhh....No I don't." Hamblin said, "Listen to me...they act like that because they're niggers!" I almost crashed my car into a pole! Now, what he said is probably true, but I just couldn't believe that a black man (or anyone else for that matter) would say something like that over a nationally syndicated radio talk show.
I have no problems with honest and critical commentary about poor black behavior. I do not believe in censorship nor rationalizing antisocial behavior. But when these two Negroes made it racial and both went on to condemn black people as a "group" -rather than focusing on the inexcusable behavior of a minority of deviants. Like you, when you attribute bad behavior to an entire group (whether it be black or any other racial or ethnic group), I have a problem with it.
"who said that black people are not "allowed" to voice their objections, without being shouted down or condemned?"
Uhhhhh...well, you may have not have noticed, but there is a narrow minded cabal of blacks who are intolerant of any honest discussion or critical commentary of the pathology and dysfunction of a number of the black under class or the (recent) thuggish behavior of the Negroes Gone Wild in Vegas. Have you not been reading the threads on this board????
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Eastwest
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NFTS, You and Cynique and Nels are the
Only Intelligent People on this Board. |
Libralind2
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Lil_ze
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ntfs, ken hamblin is exactly what is was talking about when i spoke about "running to whites" (white media), in order to convey their message regarding the behavior of some black people.
ken hamblin is the best definition of what i meant when i spoke about "running to whites (media)".
and yes ntfs, i DO notice that their is a cabal of "blacks" that can't (or won't accept) ANY talk regarding the "animal-like" behavior of some other blacks.
sometimes i play "devil's advocate" in order to get my point across.
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Ntfs_encryption
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"sometimes i play "devil's advocate" in order to get my point across."
Naaaawwwwww.....Tell me it ain't so Lil_ze! You wouldn't do that would you? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Cynique
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I knew there was a reason for me liking that rascal Eastwest. LMAO. |
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