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Doberman23
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 09:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hardaway dumped from NBA events for anti-gay tirade
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February 16, 2007

MIAMI (AFP) - Tim Hardaway, who spent 13 seasons in the NBA, was removed from league-related appearances, one day after an anti-gay tirade on a local radio program.

Hardaway responded to a question on WAXY about former NBA player John Amaechi and the Englishman's admission of homosexuality with a hard-line stance against gay players in the NBA.

"I hate gay people," Hardaway said. "I let it be known I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States sports."

A statement from NBA commissioner David Stern to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel said Hardaway has been removed from league-related appearances connected with Sunday's NBA All-Star Game in Las Vegas.

"It is inappropriate for him to be representing us given the disparity between his views and ours," Stern said.

Hardaway, who played for the Miami Heat from 1996-2001 before ending his career in 2003 with Indiana, was part of an NBA community program in Las Vegas.

Amaechi, whose book on his closeted life in the NBA was published Wednesday, would not have been someone Hardaway wanted as a teammate.

"First of all, I wouldn't want him on my team. And second of all, if he was on my team, I would, you know, really distance myself from him because, uh, I don't think that's right," Hardaway said.

"You know I don't think he should be in the locker room while we're in the locker room. I wouldn't even be a part of that. There's a lot of other people I hear who are like that and still in the closet. I don't like that."

Amaechi has said there are other gay players in the NBA currently so it is entirely possible Hardaway has had homosexual teammates and not even known it.

Hardaway, who told a Miami television station he would not speak to a gay family member, apologized for his comments in a statement.

"I want to apologize for my comments yesterday regarding gays," Hardaway's statement said. "My comments were offensive and I regret making them. I'm sorry to anyone I have offended."

Beyond mere issues of locker room trust and bonds among teammates, Amaechi said Hardaway's words of anger and intimidation show why gay people worry about making their sexual orientation public.

"It now allows people to take off those rose-colored glasses and understand that homophobia is a problem not only in sports but society," Amaechi told sports TV network ESPN, publishers of his book.

"Spewing vitriol isn't something we should give credit to (for sparking discussion). Society is not for that. One man has made hundreds of thousands of people now feel uncomfortable, unsafe, feel they should hide and run.

"What he has done has made life more difficult, perhaps more dangerous, for people in society, not just in sports. His views embolden those who hold the same views.

"When he depersonalizes it, it's not just a foolish comment. It's a foolish comment that echoes around the country.

"People will feel under pressure, like they are under attack. They will feel anxious. They will know there's a face and a voice for all those people out there who hate them.

"I don't know how that can be conducive to any kind of society at all."

Amaechi, who is black, rejects the idea of mere tolerance for gays, saying "I have no interest in being tolerated" as a black or gay person.

Amaechi said that while response to his revelation has been overwhelmingly positive, Hardaway's comments touched of a wave of threatening anti-gay messages beyond what he had been receiving.

"Every comment that (Hardaway) made is labeled with hate," Amaechi said. "The percentage of e-mails I've received overnight that are going to have to go into a little box somewhere just in case I end up dead are unbelievable.

"He has been a lightning rod for people to finally open the floodgates and decide that they can say some pretty awful stuff."

Hardaway, a five-time NBA All-Star who averaged 17.7 points and 8.2 assists a game in his career, drew Amaechi's ire for his hateful message.

"These are the comments that create the atmosphere that allow some of the tragic incidents of homophobia that we've seen," Amaechi said.

"This is what makes the lives of gay and lesbian young people in schools miserable. It's what stops gay and lesbian people in the workplace from coming out as well as the fact they can be fined in 33 states for being gay."
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't understand what word "Ballin" has to do with the article.
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

because it's about basketball beotch. if you knew about sports then you'd knew what it relayed to... i know you are quite interested in the homo part.
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nikka's REALLY need to get with the concept of a frickin' PUBLICIST.
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You know what is sad about Dobes, Eastwest, and Lil_ze is that you they are what we are seeing in this country. Racist, Homophobic, and Illiterate almost sounds like a Klan member. However, these are Black men. These are Black men who not only HATE themselves but hate all Black ppl in general.

That to me is scary as HELL!! And it is scary because these are Black men. We are not talking about some White, inbred, redneck from Tennessee. Which would be easy because at least we know where they are "coming from". These are young, urban, Black American men. I don't know about you but I am Scared to Death. I dread to think this is the future of Black America.
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:32 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i am suburban, thank you. and this has nothing to do with the topic ... your just mad cause your gay. it ain't my fault dawg, you are what you are .. don't get all sensitive, have one of your man-candies give you a wet whipe and shut the fudge up.
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thats funny!! So you are Racist, Homophobic, and Illiterate!! You didn't deny that. All you said was that you lived in the suburbs. You are an "first class idiot". Man-candies gee you sure know alot about the "Gay Lifestlye".

You must also be a DL brotha as well.
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 10:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i'm gonna not even bother with you, the brutha abm, told me i'm a little harsh with you and so have some of the other posters, so i'll let you do you. but don't think i won't do you like cutty from dead presidents dude.
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 11:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I wasn't really refering to Serenasailor as much as I was to some of the stuff you were saying about sistas like (the REAL) Serena Williams.

Hey. It's cool you're a Beyonce fan. But the stuff you say about darker, Black female celebrities seem unnecessarily harsh.
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 11:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oh, lol ... meh, i only do that because i like for everyone dissing the light skinned sistas to get a taste of their own meds. the way i see it, the same ones who are dissing barak obama are akin to the people on here who blasts light skinned sistas with negativity all the time and question their blackness. to me all black people get thrown into one pile including myself, i don't differentiate unless it's brought up .. which it always is on here, because there are alot of seperatist that posts. i am no more a beyonce fan than i am a crocidile hunter fan, i know who she is and i hope the best for her. i hope the best for evry black person when they are able to reach a goal or level in life, even for clarence thomas's punk ass. i routed for dungy to win the superbowl not because he was light skinned but because he's been at it longer and i think he will have less chances than smith. but posters on here make it clear that their preferences are always complextion based, so i play devils advocate ... because at the end of the day the devil will always drop n-bombs on us ... even if your tiger woods.


and i'm out
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 11:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

first of all, i applaud tim hardaway for having the "balls" (no pun intended), to speak his mind. its unfortunate that he must now "backtrack" because for "pressure".

david stern is a *&* who has only gotten rich off the sweat and talent of negroes.

second, i wonder if all of these people who support homosexuals, and claim they are some kind of oppressed minority, who deserve tolerance.

i wonder if these people support pedophiles?

would these people state that any anti-pedophile speech is "hateful" and "venom-filled"?

its interesting that we as a society have gotten to a point, that anyone who speaks agianst FAGGOTS, is the "badguy", and the FAGGOT is the innocent victim.

also, serenasailor-keep my name out of your mouth.
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Z - I agree. It seems so faggotty of men who are supposedly straight to support gay men. What's up with that? They must want some or something. And TH should have stood his ground. He said what he said so leave it at that and stand up for what you believe. He couldn't have changed his entire thought process overnight. It's extremely weak of him to retract his comments and apologize.
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2007 - 11:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

you are right mzuri, tim hardaway must still feel the same way as he did when he made those statements.

but many times when there is SO much pressure from the "powers that be", a person almost has no choice but to "backtrack".

the reason why there is so much pressure cast upon ANYONE who makes "anti-homosexual" statements, is because MANY (if not most) of the white population in the entertainment "world", is homosexual or lesbian.

its very clear that the vast majority of the "people in power" in the industry, are homosexual. these homosexuals are attempting to shove homosexual acceptance down our throats.

america is doomed for many reasons.

this FAGGOT agenda is just one of them.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 01:07 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


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i only do that because i like for everyone dissing the light skinned sistas to get a taste of their own meds....the way i see it, the same ones who are dissing barak obama are akin to the people on here who blasts light skinned sistas with negativity all the time and question their blackness. to me all black people get thrown into one pile including myself, i don't differentiate unless it's brought up ..




The majority of people that are scrutinized on this board are brown or dark-skinned. THAT'S TRUE. Where are you with your "meds" when your browner Sisters & Brothers are being criticized? When Jhud or Al Sharpton or Tonia Porter or Jesse Jackson or Tyra or Flava Flava or Michelle Obama or Eddie Murphy or India.Arie or TIM HARDAWAY or Mary J Blige or Chris Rock or Chris Rock’s momma or Brandy or Michael Jordan or Buffy or 50 cents….

I mean the list goes on and on yet you’re never around unless the thread is about somebody light-skinned like you. That’s not throwing Blk ppl in "one pile".
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 01:26 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My bad, Kim Porter, Puffy's girlfriend, not "Tonia Porter".
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 09:05 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"oh, lol ... meh, i only do that because i like for everyone dissing the light skinned sistas to get a taste of their own meds. the way i see it, the same ones who are dissing barak obama are akin to the people on here who blasts light skinned sistas with negativity all the time and question their blackness. to me all black people get thrown into one pile including myself, i don't differentiate unless it's brought up .. which it always is on here, because there are alot of seperatist that posts. i am no more a beyonce fan than i am a crocidile hunter fan, i know who she is and i hope the best for her. i hope the best for evry black person when they are able to reach a goal or level in life, even for clarence thomas's punk ass. i routed for dungy to win the superbowl not because he was light skinned but because he's been at it longer and i think he will have less chances than smith. but posters on here make it clear that their preferences are always complextion based, so i play devils advocate ... because at the end of the day the devil will always drop n-bombs on us ... even if your tiger woods."

Nobody was even dissing Beyonce. Most of the posters were discussing whether or not her decision to pose in Sports Illustrated was a tactic used to distract away from JHud's photo appaerance on the cover of Vogue. So, your excuse is some bull$hit. You seem to always throw a hissyfit if somebody gives an ounce of constructive criticism towards a lightskinned actress--as I recall you even created some thread about posters being "haters" and hating on lighter complected entertainers when we were giving legitimate reasons why Halle Berry a$$ can't act. Nobody is going to bite their tongue because you have a chip on your shoulder.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 10:25 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I appreciate the naughty double entendre involved in your use of the word, "ballin", Dobes. LOL. For somebody who doesn't like gays, my Chicago homeboy Tim Hardaway got himself in deep doo-doo for his indecent display of homophobia. heh-heh. And I believe his remarks were unsolicited; like, he voluntary phoned this radio talk show to voice his opinion. Tim is kinda weird, himself. I also believe I read somewhere that he lives on a great big secluded estate all by himself, claiming he'll never marry and share his money with some gold-diggin woman. He sounds a little mysogynistic also.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 11:17 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOL! "I hate gay people," Hardaway said. "I let it be known I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States sports."

Translation: I'm soooooo scared. Wah Wah Boo Hooo! The gay lifestyle poses a threat to my manhood ! To the population ! Oh lawdy, lawdy, why did I have to have these type of feelings inside me ? Why was I born this way ! I've always wanted to express my sexuality freely ! I feel like I'm in prison! Why do these gay people get to be themselves and I can't!! No no no, I can't marry a woman, because I'll have to have sex with her all the time. I'll have to be intimate with her when I really prefer a man! She'll put two and two together and then she'll expose me to the world !Then I'll burn in hell! Oh lawdy, lawdy, I'll just live by myself, and impose my self hate on the very thing that represents my sentiments, "homosexuality" !

What articulation ! He sounds like a third grader. If this is what you call standing one's ground, then God help us all!. Anytime someone uses the word "hate" I immediately question their mental stability. Unless you hate like pizza or something! LOL ! The Nazis hated Jews, KKK hates black people, jews, and other non whites, etc. Hate is such an intense emotion and obviously it stirs something deep within the soul of Hardaway. Poor thing. I don't wish that kind of inner turmoil on anybody. In his case,his supposed mysogyny would be no surprise. Look at the big picture!

This outlash is not an opinion. It's an expression of someone deeply tormented. I agree with you ABM, he does need a publicist or needs to fire the one he has!

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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 11:28 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i may not agree with the gay lifestyle but you dont have to be gay or even agree with the lifestyle to know that what hardaway said was wrong.
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claiming he'll never marry and share his money with some gold-diggin woman

Interesting.
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Just like your agenda Lil_ze of trying to get us to accept interracial marriage. If you ask me I think Gay ppl and Interracial couples are viewed the same way as far as society goes. Some ppl agree with them and some ppl have a serious problem with them.

And Lil_ze are you an entertainer?? How would you know who the entertainment industry is ran by. I live 15 minutes away from Hollywood. You live 3000 miles from it. Lil_ze you go walking into certain venues with your WHITE girlfriend(which I'm sure you have) and see how ppl react to you. Believe me they are no different.

Society, religion, and many political venues still disagree with interracial marriage. Meanwhile brothas like Penny Hardaway are "laying up" in some white community with their White wives and they are upset because their white neighbors won't accept them. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
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tonya wrote:
When Jhud or Al Sharpton or Tonia Porter or Jesse Jackson or Tyra or Flava Flava or Michelle Obama or Eddie Murphy or India.Arie or TIM HARDAWAY or Mary J Blige or Chris Rock or Chris Rock’s momma or Brandy or Michael Jordan or Buffy or 50 cents…. I mean the list goes on and on yet you’re never around unless the thread is about somebody light-skinned like you. That’s not throwing Blk ppl in "one pile".

eddie murphy defended by yours truly when you all keep calling him a homo and dissing his movie without even seeing it.

jordan: ummmm doberman23 nuff said.

tyra: look at the latest thread, i am hardly bringing her down.

there is no defense for flava flav or his girl new york.

the list goes on and on, you are a selective reader/listener and somehow alter what is really printed... but it's all there go back and read it.
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Tim Hardaway is probably a hermit who hates everybody. But it's not as if everyone embraces homosexuals and not everyone is going to retract what they previously stated.

I HATE GAY PEOPLE. I especially hate punk ass effeminate faggotty flaming Black men. Like this one:







This fool needs to get back in the closet!!!




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bb123 i don't need an excuse to write what i write and you don't have to bite your cum laced tounge, when it comes down to it ... i don't give a phuck about u or anyone like you. halle berry may not be the best actress to ever be caught on film, but she (and anybody else that you mention) has accomplished more in one year than what you will in your entire life.
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What's interesting is that many of the very foks who condemn Hardaway's candor will be a couple of days from now attending churches services where their preachers/priests say things that are quite congruent with what Hardaway said.
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As crazy as it sounds I have heard of many Whites, Hispanics, and Asians who would DIE if there son/daughter was to bring home a Black person. But would happily look the other way if one of there family members "came out of the closet".

This one girl who was a "Lesbian" told me that. She said her father would have a Heart Attack if she was to bring home a Black man. But he said nothing and didn't seem to mind when she told him that she was "Gay".
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Exactly, BB, I think Dobes have some kind of problem with his color too. He reacts much too sensitively when light-skinned people are being criticized. However, you never hear from him when brown & dark Blacks are critiqued. What he and others need to realize, tho, is that Dark and brown Blacks are criticized here much more. It only SEEMS like light-skinned people are because there are more light-skinned posters here to complain whenever a light-skinned celebrity/person is put down. But watch. I'm going to post a comment IN BOLD LETTERS every time a dark or brown-skinned person is criticized on a thread. Watch how many more times dark & brown Blks are "dissed" in comparison to than light-skinned ones, watch. And watch how many ppl come to the rescue.
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that is not true, look at all those people that you supposedly said i didn't defend. eddie murphy, jordan, buffy, and chris rock ... go back reread the posts, don't go around making shit up. reread the posts and quit making shit up. and consider doberman23 the defender of the lightskindededed mutha fuckaz from this point on, i don't care if it's kid from kid 'n' play or alicia keys ... i have there back. lol
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 01:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Goddamn nigggerrrs are hating on Tim Hardaway - A Dark-Skinned Black.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 01:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

besides your bisquit headed self is supposed to be talking about the subject at hand, the topic which originally posted.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 01:20 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

tim hardaway is not dark skinned, gilbert arenas is dark skinned fool.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 01:24 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I guess I've gotten lost somewhere.

WTF does Hardaway's skincolor have to do with his being an admitted homophobe?
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 01:27 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


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that is not true, look at all those people that you supposedly said i didn't defend. eddie murphy, jordan, buffy, and chris rock ...




I didn't say DEFEND. I want you to pull out your goddamn "meds" THE SAME WAY you go off your fucking rockers for light-skinned folks.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 01:53 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You are also right about that Tonya. It is not dark-skinned Black men hates. In fact he will happily give them a "pass" so long as they date/marry white or light-skinned females like him.

It is dark-skinned Black women that he hates/fears because they are "too Black". Remember he described them as ugly, masculine, mannish.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 01:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh nooooooo ! Not the pointsettia pic again LOL ! Somebody should really tell his mama !
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 02:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


LOL. Ain't he flamin though??? I can't stand that !!!
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 02:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"It is dark-skinned Black women that he hates/fears because they are "too Black". Remember he described them as ugly, masculine, mannish."

Right. He only crawls out of his hole and goes into heat missle mode when some lightskin woman that gives him a boner isn't being worshipped and praised.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 03:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I gotcha back, Dobes. Your remarks are more in the vein of taunting, and taunting is akin to teasing and teasing is often about making people examine their own foibles. It's always been my impression that you're really a good guy who doesn't take himself too seriously and your kind are usually the ones who have the most going for them. Did I wish you a Happy Valentine's Day, babe? How was your Chicago trip?? BTW I saw Jim Carrey on Jay Leno's last night and he went into a long dissertion about the how they number "23" exerts mystical influences not only on his life in particular, but also in the general flux of chance. This is what his new movie is about.
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 05:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i thought the thread was gonna be about Jim Jones...LOL!
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Posted on Friday, February 16, 2007 - 09:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ya'll betta leave Tyra's boy alone...!!!!!!
LiLi
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Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 01:10 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOL @ Yukio: "We stay fly, no lie, you know diss." I thought this would be about Jim Jones, too.

And Mzuri, you're wrong for posting Miss Jay's pic up here. My eyes just about bucked when I hit that post! LOL
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Posted on Monday, February 19, 2007 - 03:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

thats an ig-nent song...but its still Harlem USA!

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