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Chrishayden
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Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 10:45 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good ole Unca Chris is really dishing the dirt dis mawnin'!

http://www.villagevoice.com/nyclife/0705,musto,75692,15.html

Another non-winner, BEYONCÉ KNOWLES, is surely convincing herself, "I've got the Soul Train award! That's the important one." Surely it is, dear. And now that JENNIFER HUDSON's solo, "Love You I Do," is nominated for an Oscar along with the Beyoncé showcase "Listen," they can battle it out live on the telecast, maybe in some high-powered diva medley that will also include EDDIE MURPHY. Effie, we all got pain!

In other Murphy news, the comic actor squirms whenever anyone brings up that incident where he was caught so kindly driving a trannie home. So it's rather poetic that everywhere you turn these days there are gigantic Norbit billboards consisting of Eddie looking horrified as he lies under a giant, seductive drag queen—namely, Eddie himself in full TRAVOLTA-like garb and makeup. The tagline: "Have you ever made a really big mistake?"

Grey's Anatomy star ISAIAH WASHINGTON certainly made a boo-boo when he screamed gay epithets at his costar T.R. KNIGHT, and that's all anyone could think about when the show rose to FAG, I mean SAG, glory. Washington's been rightly censured 'round the world for having done that, but I'm a little uncomfortable over the way he's been held up, MEL GIBSON–style, as the receptacle for all our fears and the symbol of every possible hatred in the world. Isaiah simply got caught, so everyone and his mother are going after him with gloves off. But will the same incredibly righteous vigilante gang stay watchful of every single act of homophobia in the biz? Will they openly condemn producers who quietly fire (or never hire) gay actors? Pathetic gay stars who anxiously flaunt beards for the cameras? Gay-pride awards lavishly given to (or presented by) closet cases? No, I didn't think so.

And now, to placate the gays, let's have a little theater break. Translations is a soaring exploration of the power of language served in a lovely production, but how's this for powerful language: The theater was fucking freezing! A Spanish Play has a higher temperature and some stimulating talk, but it's mainly enhanced by the fact that if you sit in C110, your face will loom on the wall during a live video sequence. I'm adding it to my r ésumé as we speak.
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Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 11:08 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh that's funny. Michael Musto's feeling the EXACT same 'Dreamgirls' line that I've fallen in love with: "Effie we all got PAIN!" (I've been singing this one line to my friends since I saw the movie.)

But what I'm really wanting to say is this: Will Jennifer Hudson's 15-minute Puh-LEEZE hurr-rup and end? Her voice is just too much for me to take.

I mean, she seems like a sweetheart, and I'm really glad she's meeting with such extraordinary success. But all that yelling andd wavering vibrato in her voice sounds so "old church lady" to me.

Okay, finally got that off my chest. Hate me for saying it, but I O.D.'d on Jennifer's voice way back in her American Idol days. I didn't expect to have to ever hear so much of it again. (Cupping hands over ears): Oh, the pain...
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Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 01:20 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My, my. Looks like chrishayden has become a pop culture convert. Must've gotten bored with worshipping himself.
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Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 03:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The "french" says it all girlfriend.

(Damn, this board is flooded with "mixies" and wannabe "mixies.")
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Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 04:06 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thinks Hollywood's Facist Queer Faction are going to attempt to do to Sharon Stone what they've attempted to do to Isaiah Washington?


"I've been called a b*tch - and a lot worse - for years. And you know what, so what? People who think that aren't going to change their minds. And I wouldn't dream of sending them to therapy to 'rehabilitate' their feelings. How absurd. Please, I call all my gay friends 'big f*gs'."

-- Oscar Award nominated screen siren Sharon Stone regarding 'Grey's Anatomy' star Isaiah Washington's widely reported "entry into Rehabilitation" over homophobic slurs. (New York Post)
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Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 04:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"washington has been RIGHTLY censored"?

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

believe me, soon it will be a crime to read the passage in the book of leviticus where it says, "if a man lay with man, as he does with a woman. both of them have commited an abomination. they shall SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH".

it will be against the law to read this verse.

im just waiting for the PEDOPHILE MOVEMENT to gain acceptance.

and if you don't think it will, go back 75 years and ask americans if they think that one day homosexuals and lesbians would be adopting children, having parades, and it would be viewed as a negative thing to call a homosexual a FAGGOT?

now if you call a FAGGOT a FAGGOT, you are the "bad guy".

the western world is going down the tubes FAST.

not that the western world, that was built on the rape, robbery, and murder of black people, wasn't ALREADY doomed to fall.
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Posted on Saturday, February 03, 2007 - 07:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, Lil Z, not only are you color struck but you are also homophobic. Spare me people who isolate bible verses to make an argument. Because anything can be justifed by finding something in the bible to augment it. A verse referring to one of the patriarchs in the bible "lying down with his daughters" has often been cited to condone incest. The cult of religious fanatics who worship snakes justify this by referring to a single bible verse advising true believers to "take up the serpent". Gays kinda get on my nerves when they compare their movement to the civil rights one, and I think it's unfair of them to adopt or have children who have to grow up being embarassed by their same-sex parents and ridiculed by their peers. I also don't think much of them marrying because there are alternatives to this. But I don't think gays should be ostracized or called names.
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Posted on Sunday, February 04, 2007 - 05:59 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

cynique, if im "homophobic", then what are you feelings about PEDOPHILES?

do you think that pedophiles should be ostracized or called names?

if you are ANYTHING but 100% supportive of a PEDOPHILES right to live free of name calling or being ostracized, then are you (cynique) not "pedophobic"?

my reference to the verse in the book of leviticus was not an attempt to make an arguement or justify ANYTHING.

i was attempting to make an example about how there is a climate that forbids speaking negatively about the "homosexual" lifestyle.

cynique, you support a pedophiles right to live free from name calling, violence and being ostracized, right?

or do you (cynique) feel its ok to HATE certain groups of people because YOU disagree with their sexual orientation?

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Posted on Monday, February 05, 2007 - 11:10 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What is your definition of a pedophile, Lil-ze???? Homosexuality is not a legal crime, but pedophiles are a danger to children which is reason to be a "pedophobe".
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 02:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lil_Ze:

It's just like I can get away with making Anti-Semitic comments in a room full of Anti-Semites but am risking my life if I do it in Tel Aviv--

Or just like you can call somebody a faggot in your boys club but risk serious bodily injury if you do it in a gay bar--

Isaiah was an idiot to say that stuff in Hollywood. With the power that gays have in the arts and entertainment world he committed suicide.

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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 05:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

cynique, a pedophile is a person who is physically or sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children.

a person who is a pedophile is NOT guilty of ANY legal crime whatsoever.

also i really DON'T think pedophiles are any more of a DANGER to children, than heterosexual men are to women.

some men have raped women before, does this mean that ALL men (or even most men) are a danger to women?

of course not.

if RATIONAL thought is used regarding this subject, you (cynique or ANYONE) would see that most pedophiles are a danger to NOBODY.

although we see how people find reasons to justify their hatred of people who's sexual persuation we don't like.

and i agree with chrishayden, that isaiah washington commited "career suicide".

what the hell was he thinking about?

you know how many FAGGOTS there are in hollywood?
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Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2007 - 10:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was not defending Isaiah Washington, Lil_Z because I also agree that he acted unwisely. And I can't believe that you continue to dismiss pedophiles as harmless. I don't want to belabor the point but you might want to check out the following:
Fact Sheet: Pedophilia
Most adults who sexually molest children are considered to have pedophilia, a mental disorder described in the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV). An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act that never can be considered normal or socially acceptable behavior.
Pedophilia is categorized in the DSM-IV as one of several paraphiliac mental disorders. The essential features of a paraphilia (sexual deviation) are recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors that generally involve nonhuman subjects, the suffering or humiliation of oneself or one's partner, or children or other nonconsenting persons.
The Characteristics of Pedophilia
According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by an adult with a prepubescent child. Some individuals prefer females, usually 8- to 10-year-olds. Those attracted to males usually prefers slightly older children. Some prefer both sexes. While some are sexually attracted only to children, others also are sometimes attracted to adults.
Pedophiliac activity may involve undressing and looking at the child or more direct physical sex acts. All these activities are psychologically harmful to the child, and some may be physically harmful. In addition, individuals with pedophilia often go to great lengths to obtain photos, films or pornographic publications that focus on sex with children.
These individuals commonly explain their activities with excuses or rationalizations that the activities have "educational value" for the child, that the child feels "sexual pleasure" from the activities or that the child was "sexually provocative." However, child psychiatrists and other child development experts maintain that children are incapable of offering informed consent to sex with an adult. Furthermore, since pedophiliac acts harm the child, psychiatrists condemn publications or organizations that seek to promote or normalize sex between adults and children.
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Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 05:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

cynique there was a time when homosexuality was seen as a mental disorder.

cynique, we clearly disagree about this issue.

but don't confuse PEOPLE who commit crimes and rape/abuse children with pedophiles.

again, SOME heterosexual men have raped women.

does this mean that ALL heterosexual men are a danger to women, or have an inclination toward the abuse of women?

of course not.

people who molest children MIGHT be pedophiles.

but that DOES NOT MEAN ALL pedophiles are a threat to children, or have any inclination toward harming them.

im attracted sexually to women.

does that mean i have an inclination toward harming or raping them?

of course not.

we live in a world that needs a "boogey man" to hate or loathe.

its clear who we as a society have nominated to be this modern day "boogey man".


i think the whole issue has been misunderstood.

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Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 08:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I give up, Lil-Z. Think what you want, but the reason a person is diagnosed as being a pedophile is because he exhibits the symptoms of pedophilia and the symptoms of pedophilia are not benign and harmless. If a man doesn't act like a pedophile, then he isn't one. Bottom line, I've got to go with the conclusions of psychiatrists, not with a layman who thinks pedophiles are misunderstood.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well cynique, let us remember that in nazi germany there were many psychiatrists that had all types of "documentation" supporting their "theories" about race.

just because some (there are psychiatrists that disagree with others about this) psychiatrists have theories about certain issues, thaty does not mean they are correct.

cynique, would you have been one of those people who agreed with the position of "psychiatrists" in the 1940's and 1950's who said that homosexuality was a "mental disorder"?

"the symptoms of pedophilia are not benign and harmless"-

i just don't understand what you are saying.


AGAIN, if a person is a pedophile, it DOES NOT make them a "threat" or "harmful" to children or anyone.

if you think a person is harmful because they are a pedophile, then you must think heterosexuals are a "danger" to the opposite sex.

regarding me being a "layman", well my degree is not in psychiatrics.

but i took many undergraduate classes in psychiatry. when you study the history of psychiatrics, you find out that its not an exact "science". its LARGELY based on SUBJECTIVE research.
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Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 12:32 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Puleeze, Lil-ze. You're comparing apples to oranges. Pedophilia is a mental disorder; hetereosexuality is a gender orientation. You can't construct a comparison between the 2. What you're doing is like saying that because all dogs can bite people doesn't mean that all of them do, so therefore, an argument can be made that all fire doesn't burn. It's the nature of a pedophile to be attracted to children, and the ramifcations of this are never harmless or legal.
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Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 11:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

what are the "harmful" ramifications of a pedophile being attracted to children?

a pedophile is attracted to children, is there a "ramification" from this?

what are the harmful ramifications of ANYONE being attracted to anyone?

why is there this idea that attraction="harmful"?

as far as something being "not legal"-

i now of NO law on EARTH that states its illegal to be ATTRACTED to anyone (including children).
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Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 01:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If an adult acts on his attraction to children by sexually molesting them then he is in violation of a law. Pedophiles are people who act on their urges.
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Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 11:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

a pedophile is an adult who is attracted to pre-puebescent children.

so in the opinion of cynique ALL pedophiles are somehow acting on their "urges".

its clear we will never agree on this issue.

i just think its a bit "primative" to think that all people who are attracted (sexually or what have you) to children, are somehow a "danger" or "threat" to children.

if that were true, then it must also be true that all heterosexual men are a "danger" to women.

i wonder what society would do if they didn't have a paticular "group", that the world says its ok to hate?
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Posted on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 - 12:42 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sigh. I don't hate pedophiles, Lil_Z, because they can't help themselves. I just recognize them for what they are, as does the law. Of course it's normal for heterosexual adults to be attracted to each other but what doesn't seem to register with you is that the operative word here is child. Or do you seem aware that pedophiles are not necesssarily homosexuals; they can be attracted to little children of the opposite sex. Bottom line is that sexual intimacy between a child and an adult is perverted behavior that can be emotionally and physically harmful to the child. And of course you know that adults caught with child porn in their possession or on their computer will be arrested and prosecuted.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 12:29 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well, of course i understand that pedophiles are not necessarily homosexuals.

as far as the "law" goes-

100 years ago the "law" said that negroes couldn't eat, ride public transportation, or attend public events with whites.
just because the "law" dictates something at a certain point in history, does not mean the "law" is just or correct.

i am also aware that adults who possess "child porn" will be arreasted and prosecuted.

who said ANYTHING about "child porn"?

as far as your claim that "sexual intimacy between an adult and child is a perverted behavior, that can be emotionally and physically harmful to the child"- i would say, "where is the proof of this"?

where is there ANY conclusive evidence that says that a child would be "emotionally" or "physically" damaged by sexual intamicy with an adult?

maybe some would, maybe some would not.

very few issue are "black and white", or "cut and dry". this is one of them.

for anyone to attempt to say they can speak for every child or adult regarding a certain subject is very dangerous.

cynique, your way of thinking regarding this issue, is the SAME way of thinking that anti-homosexual groups are engaged in.

there is NO way that you (cynique) or i could possibly know for certain that a sexual relationship between an adult and child would be damaging to the child.

you (cynique) nor i can change the way people were born.

i just don't feel its progressive to castigate certain groups of people who's sexual orientation we disagree with.

its clear we will always disagree on this topic.

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Posted on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 - 12:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, we do disagree, Lil-Z, because I am influenced by what psychiatrists conclude based on case histories and what society deems as immoral and what the law regards as illicit. This seems to be a very emotional issue with you wherein you take the side of the adult instead of the child and perhaps you have your personal reasons for believing this. As for child porn, society frowns on children being exploited for the gratification of adults because it feels innocent children should be protected and kept pure which is the same reason it prosecutes practicing pedophiles who most certainly would be drawn to child porn. And it's not true that I hate homosexuals or put them and pedophiles in the same category because as far as same-sex relationships are concerned, what goes on between consenting adults is none of my business and is not grounds for intervention.

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