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     Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3518 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
(Wow! Jessie, Al, Bill, Shelby, Juan, and thousands of otha brotha's take heed! Mr. Biden is equally skeptical—albeit in a slightly more backhanded way—about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3303 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
BIDEN CALLS OBAMA "CLEAN AND NICE-LOOKING" Biden Unbound: Lays Into Clinton, Obama, Edwards Loquacious Senator, Democratic Candidate on Hillary: ‘Four of 10 Is the Max You Can Get?’ Edwards ‘Doesn’t Know What He’s Talking About’ By Jason Horowitz Senator Joseph Biden doesn’t think highly of the Iraq policies of some of the other Democrats who are running for President. To hear him tell it, Hillary Clinton’s position is calibrated, confusing and “a very bad idea.” John Edwards doesn’t know what he’s talking about and is pushing a recipe for Armageddon in the Middle East. Barack Obama is offering charming but insubstantial fluff. And all of them are playing politics. “Let me put it this way,” Mr. Biden said. “You didn’t hear any one of them get in this debate at all until they announced for President.” Mr. Biden, who ran an ill-fated campaign for President in 1988, is a man who believes his time has finally come, announcing this week that he was filing papers to make his 2008 Presidential bid official. Although he admits to a tendency to “bloviate,” he thinks that an aggressive advocate with rough edges might be just what the party needs right now. “Democrats nominated the perfect blow-dried candidates in 2000 and 2004,” he said, “and they couldn’t connect.” Though Mr. Biden, 64, has never achieved his national ambitions, he has in recent years emerged as one of the party’s go-to experts on foreign policy. In the past week, he has spearheaded the Democratic pushback against the President’s plan to increase troop levels in Iraq, opposing the move with a non-binding resolution that his party has rallied around. On a recent weekday afternoon, he was discussing his rivals over a bowl of tomato soup in the corner of a diner in Delaware, about a 15-minute drive from his Senate office. He wore a red cardigan and blue shirt, periodically raising his raspy voice over the sound of loudspeakers summoning customers to pick up their sandwiches. He had showed up carrying a Mead notebook filled with handwritten talking points, but once he’d gotten started, he closed the book and pushed it aside. The subject he prefers to talk about these days—particularly when contrasting himself with his prospective Presidential rivals—is Iraq. Addressing Mrs. Clinton’s latest proposal to cap American troops and to threaten Iraqi leaders with cuts in funding, Mr. Biden lowered his voice and leaned in close over the table. Advertisement “From the part of Hillary’s proposal, the part that really baffles me is, ‘We’re going to teach the Iraqis a lesson.’ We’re not going to equip them? O.K. Cap our troops and withdraw support from the Iraqis? That’s a real good idea.” The result of Mrs. Clinton’s position on Iraq, Mr. Biden says, would be “nothing but disaster.” Most early polls show Mrs. Clinton as the party’s clear front-runner. Mr. Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is firmly in the thick of a pack of third-tier candidates. Still, he thinks that at such a precarious point in the nation’s history, voters are seeking someone with his level of experience to take the helm. “Are they going to turn to Hillary Clinton?” Biden asked, lowering his voice to a hush to explain why Mrs. Clinton won’t win the election. “Everyone in the world knows her,” he said. “Her husband has used every single legitimate tool in his behalf to lock people in, shut people down. Legitimate. And she can’t break out of 30 percent for a choice for Democrats? Where do you want to be? Do you want to be in a place where 100 percent of the Democrats know you? They’ve looked at you for the last three years. And four out of 10 is the max you can get?” Mr. Biden is equally skeptical—albeit in a slightly more backhanded way—about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” But—and the “but” was clearly inevitable—he doubts whether American voters are going to elect “a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,” and added: “I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.” (After the interview with Mr. Biden and shortly before press time, Mr. Obama proposed legislation that would require all American combat brigades to be withdrawn from Iraq by the end of March 2008.) Mr. Biden seemed to reserve a special scorn for Mr. Edwards, who suffered from a perceived lack of depth in foreign policy in the Presidential election of 2004. “I don’t think John Edwards knows what the heck he is talking about,” Mr. Biden said, when asked about Mr. Edwards’ advocacy of the immediate withdrawal of about 40,000 American troops from Iraq. “John Edwards wants you and all the Democrats to think, ‘I want us out of there,’ but when you come back and you say, ‘O.K., John’”—here, the word “John” became an accusatory, mocking refrain—“‘what about the chaos that will ensue? Do we have any interest, John, left in the region?’ Well, John will have to answer yes or no. If he says yes, what are they? What are those interests, John? How do you protect those interests, John, if you are completely withdrawn? Are you withdrawn from the region, John? Are you withdrawn from Iraq, John? In what period? So all this stuff is like so much Fluffernutter out there. So for me, what I think you have to do is have a strategic notion. And they may have it—they are just smart enough not to enunciate it.” The targets of Mr. Biden’s criticism, whether out of shock, indifference or a calculation that it would be unwise in this case to meet fire with fire, declined to respond in kind. Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton wrote in an e-mail: “Senator Obama opposed the Iraq War from Day 1 and has articulated clear principles in how to address the tragic mistakes President Bush has made there.” And as for rest—including Mr. Biden’s use of the words “articulate” and “nice-looking” to describe the Senator from Illinois—the spokesman said, “Senator Biden’s words speak for themselves.” The press offices for Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Edwards declined to say anything at all. By contrast with what Mr. Biden describes alternately as his opponents’ caution and their detachment from reality, the Senator from Delaware has for months been pushing a comprehensive plan to split Iraq into autonomous Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish ethnic regions that is controversial, to say the least. Under the plan, local policing and laws will be the responsibility of regional authorities. Most of the American troops would be withdrawn, with small numbers remaining to help with anti-terrorism operations. The ensuing chaos from ethnic migrations within Iraq would be contained with the help of political pressure created by a conference of Iraq’s neighbors. But the idea of an American endorsement of Iraqi federation along those lines has drawn criticism from just about every ideological corner of the foreign-policy establishment. Retired Gen. Wesley Clark, another potential 2008 candidate who played a major role in negotiating the peace talks that ended the war in Bosnia, said in a recent interview that the Biden plan would have people in mixed cities like Baghdad “fleeing for their lives.” Richard Perle, one of the chief architects of the war in Iraq, who resigned from his advisory position at the Pentagon in 2003 after a conflict-of-interest scandal, called the idea “harebrained.” And perhaps most notably, the original author of the partition plan, former Council on Foreign Relations president Leslie Gelb, has suggested that spiraling chaos on the ground in Iraq may have already rendered it unworkable. Mr. Biden counters their criticism by insisting that Iraq has already fractured along ethnic lines, and that the only pragmatic approach at this point is to police the process in a way that could prevent a wider civil war and, eventually, lead to a sort of stability. “You have to give them breathing room,” he said. The Iraq he envisions has three ethnically homogenous enclaves, with a central government responsible for securing the country’s international borders and distributing oil revenues. He’d put the Shiite majority in the south, limiting their geographic control but keeping them from being drawn into a wider Sunni-Shiite conflict. He’d move the Sunni majority into the oil-poor Anbar province in the West, but they would be guaranteed a cut of oil revenues worth billions of dollars. Mr. Biden’s hope is that the oil money and relative calm would drain the loyal Baathist insurgency of support while simultaneously making the province less amenable to Al Qaeda provocateurs. “The argument that you make with Sunni tribal leaders is, ‘You are not going to get back to the point where you run the show,’” said Mr. Biden. They will have to be made to understand that “you get a much bigger piece of the pie by giving up a little of the pie.” He’d keep the Kurds up in the north, where they already enjoy a measure of de facto autonomy, but would seek guarantees that they would not take it upon themselves to purge Sunni residents from the mixed city of Kirkuk, or to lay exclusive claim to the enormous oil resources in that region, or to secede from Iraq by forming an independent Kurdistan. Mr. Biden said he has made the argument to Kurdish leaders over the course of his seven trips to Iraq as follows: “You will be eaten alive by the Turks and the Iranians, they will attack you, there will be an all-out war.” The clear implication is that the United States, not for the first time, would be unable to protect them. “I don’t see how we could,” he said. Mr. Biden disagrees with foreign leaders like Britain’s Tony Blair and Pakistan’s Pervez Musharraf, who say that the key to fixing Iraq’s problems is solving the dispute between Israel and Palestinians. “They are wrong, because I think it is a veiled way to do what the Europeans and the Arabists have always wanted to do, which is back Israel into a corner,” he said. “They still blame Israel.” Mr. Biden says that support for his Iraq plan is growing. The influential New York Senator Chuck Schumer has declared at various times that he supports the plan—albeit in an uncharacteristically quiet manner—as has Michael O’Hanlon, a prominent Iraq policy expert at the Brookings Institution. But their support, for Mr. Biden, is almost an afterthought. If one thing is clear about him, it is that he doesn’t mind being alone. “They may be politically right, and I may be politically wrong,” he said. “But I believe I am substantively right, and their substantive approaches are not very deep and will not get us where I want to go.” You may reach Jason Horowitz via email at: jhorowitz@observer.com . This column ran on page 1 in the 2/5/2007 edition of The New York Observer. http://www.observer.com/20070205/20070205_Jason_Horowitz_pageone_newsstory1.html | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 4304 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Chris, haven't you heard?? That's "Why White People Like Obama." ...Six threads down. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3306 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcX_xfuivbs | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7100 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
ol chrishayden can't keep up with anything. | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3521 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Obama is the only one? Lots of Black conservatives, at least, would disagree. | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 4310 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Asked several times today about Mr. Biden’s initial remarks, Mr. Obama released this statement late in the day: “I didn’t take Senator Biden’s comments personally, but obviously they were historically inaccurate. African-American presidential candidates like Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm, Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton gave a voice to many important issues through their campaigns, and no one would call them inarticulate.” . . . . Mr. Jackson described Mr. Biden’s remarks, which included disparaging remarks about Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards, to The Observer as “blabbering bluster.” . . . . “I am not sure what he means – ask him to explain what he meant,” Mr. Jackson said. “I’m caling his office. I want to ask him, ‘what do you mean?” because it’s open to much interpretation. I have the highest regards for Joe Biden. I don’t know whether it was attempt to diminish what I had done in ‘88, or to say Barack is all style and no substance. It’s a kind of babbling bluster because he’s swiping at Hillary about the cap on American troops, he’s swiping at Edwards.” Mr. Sharpton seemed just as mystified. “It shows a cultural bias because what is he saying: That Shirley Chisholm and Jesse and I – who probably made the best received speeches at the Democratic conventions – were not articulate?” No stranger to political intrigue, given his many years playing in New York political circles, Mr. Sharpton was quick to offer a political motive: That Mr. Biden was trying, by drawing obvious distinctions between Mr. Obama and African-American leaders like Mr. Sharpton and Mr. Jackson, to “discredit Mr. Obama with his base,” at a time when he has already been the subject of newspaper stories questioning the extent to which he identified with African-American politics. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/bidens-blunder/?8dpc | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8215 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Biden was my darkhorse candidate. But if he's going to pull shyt like this, I think it might be time to send his presidential candidacy to the glue factory. | ||
| China_b Newbie Poster Username: China_b Post Number: 48 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: |
BARACK OBAMA IS A BYTCH, PERIOD. I SEEN HIM GET PUNKED OUT IN CHICAGO BY EX-BLACK PANTHER, BOBBY RUSH, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM RESPOND LIKE A REAL N*GGGA TO A POLITICAL ATTACK. I ABSOLUTELY 100% GUARANTEE YOU THAT HE WILL LET HILLARY PUNK HIM OUT. HE HAS SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH WHITE LIBERAL INTELLECTUALS, AND HE WILL RESPOND TO EVERY ATTACK LIKE A BYTCH. THE ONLY REAL N*GGA IN HIS INNER CIRCLE IS HIS WIFE, AND MY FRIENDS TELL ME SHE'S PREOCCUPIED WITH THE SHOPPING SCENE. IT'S SAD, BUT HE WILL FLOP BIG-TIME, BECAUSE HE WASN'T BLACK ENOUGH. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST, AND I'D BET MY LIFE ON IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8223 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: |
"If I was arrested for armed robbery and my mug shot was on the television screen, people wouldn't be debating if I was African-American or not. I'd be a black man going to jail. Now if that's true when bad things are happening, there's no reason why I shouldn't be proud of being a black man when good things are happening, too." -- Senator Barack Obama " | ||
| China_b Regular Poster Username: China_b Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: |
Abm, If that's the best that Brother Barack can do when Hillary's chunky-ass starts calling him Barack 'Hussein' Obama, then he won't even be offered a second slot on the ticket. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8225 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
China_b, I agree Hillary's foks are going to play dirty. And at this point I don't know whether Barak's capable of handling it. | ||
| China_b Regular Poster Username: China_b Post Number: 56 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: |
Abm, I've negotiated with him personally, and I swear on my MOTHERS LIFE, he's spineless. HE HAS ZERO REAL N*GGA IN HIS VEINS. REAL AMERICAN N*GGAS HAVE A HINT OF ANGER IN THEIR VEINS, AND HE HAS ZERO. BARACK OBAMA WILL GET PUNKED OUT, AND I'D BET MY ENTIRE FAMILY'S LIFE ON IT THIS VERY SECOND, PERIOD. HE'S NOT AN UNCLE TOM, BUT HE WOULDN'T HELP YOUR ASS IF YOU WERE IN A POLICE LINE-UP, AND I'D SWEAR BY MY LIFE ON THAT. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1714 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"I agree Hillary's foks are going to play dirty. And at this point I don't know whether Barak's capable of handling it." Yep! Politics is a very dirty and ugly business. You should expect your adversaries or competition to say and do anything. It's the nature of the business -nasty, real nasty....! | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 4320 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
"Biden was my darkhorse candidate. But if he's going to pull shyt like this, I think it might be time to send his presidential candidacy to the glue factory." Come on now, ABM.. Biden was just telling it like it is and I agree. Barack Obama shouldn't get credit for being "a good n-gg-r" because THAT'S what's racist and I think that's what Biden was saying. Plus Biden prob'ly knows a "wannabe Democrat" when he sees one. Not saying Obama is one. But it’s clear that many in the Democratic Party are aware that all kinds of Blacks (e.g., Blk Con.) align themselves with the party. It was political more than anything else. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8231 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Tonya, I have LESS of an issue with what Biden says about Obama than I do about what he implies about Shirley Chisolm, Jesse Jackson Sr, Carol Moseley Braun, Al Sharpton and other African Americans who made very credible runs at the presidency. Shirley Chisolm and Jesse Jackson were NOT articulate presidential candidates? Is that mofo Biden NUTS?? | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3538 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Gawd it's February 2007 and already it feels like they have all been running for President for years. Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to get real dirty. They will probably put some black in the race to really go to work on Obama-- "If you vote for him he will be eating fried chicken in the Oval office and tossing the bones out the window, drinking moonshine and sitting there with his feet on the desk and his shoes and socks off." It is going to get that nasty and worse. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7105 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Maybe Obama adopted a facade and stone-walled China_B., because he preferred to deal with someone less hyper. Ex-Panther and current preacher/con man Bobby Rush just recently jumped on the Obama bandwagon. And is it a liability that Obama didn't respond like a nigga to Congressman Bobby Rush's politics????? | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1717 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
I think the whole thing is grossly overrated and blown out of proportion. What is the point? Biden is a white racist? What do you want from the man? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8234 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Chris: "If you vote for him he will be eating fried chicken in the Oval office and tossing the bones out the window, drinking moonshine and sitting there with his feet on the desk and his shoes and socks off." Chris. Sometimes I read your posts and can about see you somewhere getting higher than Richard Pryor before he caught fire. Hahahahahaha!!! | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8235 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ntfs, Bidens running for President of the United States. His record and public statements are fairgame. And Biden's also on record for saying "You cannot go into a 7-Eleven unless you have a slight [East] Indian accent." (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!) Mofo really NEEDS to learn when to STFU, mayne. | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3549 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Chris. Sometimes I read your posts and can about see you somewhere getting higher than Richard Pryor before he caught fire. Hahahahahaha!!! (Why, thank you, ABM I think) | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3550 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
And is it a liability that Obama didn't respond like a nigga to Congressman Bobby Rush's politics????? (If I was him I would never even utter Bobby Rush's name--in fact I might get Bobby to start ripping me in the press for being a sellout and tom) | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8243 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Chris, What's that expression: Damning you with faint praise. Hahahahaha | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1722 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"Bidens running for President of the United States. His record and public statements are fairgame." No doubt. But I think we need to be selective and use some kind of discernment when making judgments about what statements are meaningful and those that are silly or off the cuff FUBARS. Look at Bush. I'm going on record and saying no elected official I have ever seen, is more inarticulate, stumbling, goofy and makes as many mistakes as he does. So I have no problems with doing a Jay Leno for bone head statements. But to assume there is more to what there really is to a statement, has become a vicious blood sport that is often misleading. | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3555 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Look at Bush. I'm going on record and saying no elected official I have ever seen, is more inarticulate, stumbling, goofy and makes as many mistakes as he does (You are exactly right. And he proves that means nothing when you have 200 million dollars, the governor of a pivotal state, the poltical establishment of another of the largest, millions of slack jawed idiots that are dumber than you, and the Supreme Court in your pocket--plus the backing of the oil companies and a goodly part of The Complex. We are in a new day. The Legions choose the Emperor, not the people. | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3556 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
think the whole thing is grossly overrated and blown out of proportion. What is the point? Biden is a white racist? What do you want from the man? (Since we have him to thank for Clarence Thomas, I'd say blood might do nicely) | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 4323 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Abm, "Shirley Chisolm and Jesse Jackson were NOT articulate presidential candidates? Is that mofo Biden NUTS??" He wasn’t dissing Sharpton and Co; I don't think that's what he meant at all. He was mocking how white Americans feel about Obama, to bring it out in the open, only it was perhaps tasteless coming from him because he's not Black. But this was a strategic move and it was Biden at his best. He will go out on a limb when something needs to be said and no other Democrat can/will say it. This was possibly one of those cases. Jesse wouldn't say it, Al's been hinting at it but he couldn't say it, so Biden stepped in. Trust me, Biden’s not stupid. He knew he wasn’t winning no election. He’s playing the same role Sharpton does, Sharpton’s hands were tied this time. Is Biden racist? I have no idea but this move had nothing to do with racism. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8248 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
I don’t accuse Biden of being racist. I just can’t see the merit of his WRONGLY inferring that Obama is the first good Black candidate for the Presidency. Look, foks. I LIKE Biden. I'd much rather vote for him than Hillary Clinton. He might be the one Democrat I’d have to seriously consider choosing over Obama. But for Christ Sake, man. You're running for the Presidency in an epoch where scratching one's a$$ can turn into late breaking news. Learn when to SHUT IT!!! Because while the highly enlightened foks of Thumper’s Corner might be able to see clear of his gaffes, you can truss-n-(Beyonce's)-beWEAVE that kinda talk will NOT play well to a lot of Black voters who WON'T bother with reading Biden's congressional record. And the Bush comparison is spotty. Because we all know there is a core fraction of American idiocy that was going to vote him, regardless. Hell. If anything, Bush’s foibles ENDEARED himself to much of Red State America. Democrats generally do NOT get much play for the inbred hillbilly constituency. | ||
| China_b Regular Poster Username: China_b Post Number: 63 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: |
Cynique, Posted on Thursday, February 01, 2007 - 12:37 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe Obama adopted a facade and stone-walled China_B., because he preferred to deal with someone less hyper. Ex-Panther and current preacher/con man Bobby Rush just recently jumped on the Obama bandwagon. And is it a liability that Obama didn't respond like a nigga to Congressman Bobby Rush's politics????? Cynique, as usual, you're CLUELESS. If you're implying that I'm 'hyper', I'll put it like this. I wouldn't be selected to sit across the table from any politicians if I did not know how to skillfully conduct the give-and-take of crafting middle-of-the-road legislation. Cynique, you have a hard time skillfully conducting the give-and-take of crafting informed on-the-road thoughts. As for Bobby Rush, he'd be a fool not to jump on the Obama bandwagon. The Clintons will only be around for 8 more years (TOPS). Obama could be Illinois's U.S. Senator for 20 more years, easily. And as for your comment: "And is it a liability that Obama didn't respond like a nigga to Congressman Bobby Rush's politics?????" Politics is a dirty business, and if you're personal make-up is soft, then you're more likely to allow your opponent to define you. Just ask the Vietnam veteran named John Kerry who sat back and allowed himself to get Swiftboated by the draft-dodgers- George Bush & Dick Cheney. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7130 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Maybe you're the clueless one, China-B, not aware that your posts reveal more about you than what you realize. Inasmuch as you didn't get the response from Obama that you in your partisan role were negotiating for, maybe you are not as skillful as you claim to be. You were the one who was thwarted. Are we all to deduce from your encounter with Obama that you have him pegged right and everyone else is wrong in their assessment of him? Maybe you should just stick to spreading rumors about Obama's wife's shopping habits. Politics is a dirty business? Wow! You don't say! And, of course, it would be clueless to think that Obama didn't learn from his experience with Bobby Rush | ||
| Viqi_french Newbie Poster Username: Viqi_french Post Number: 45 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
What an engaging thread! Haven't been here in a long while, but I'd like to chime in... I've been a fan of Joe Biden's for years; I like that he's unafraid to speak out and against the Bush Administration. However, Biden's plan for Iraq is ill-conceived. It smacks of creating in that region the very same dilemma that has the Palestinians and Israelis at odds... Here again, what's called the "arrogant west" wants to play God and from a distance decide who lives where. Will U.S. politicians ever learn that people despise such dictates and will die generation after generation fighting to reclaim what's theirs? Start slicing and dicing Iraq between the three factions, and one or more surely will feel slighted, ripped off, and fighting mad for a whole, new cause. As for Biden's "compliment" about B. Obama... To me, when well-intentioned whites "compliment" blacks for being "articulate," my azz starts twitching! I feel weary and think, "Oh well, here's another white person who believes themselves evolved, but probably is a mere 12 Step Program away from cross-burning. Just give them another sentence or two, and they'll be yanking their White Sheet out of the closet." (See Michael Richards. Heck, see Biden's own previous controversial statement about going into a 7-11 store.) Whites who so lovingly assess an African American this way obviously feel that: -- the vast majority of blacks are substandard and unworthy of being taken seriously -- the person shuns their "blackness," so will not challenge them / the status quo. Will stay in their place and be a lackey. For more information about the 1 or 2 "articulate" blacks on the planet, see Chris Rock's "Bigger and Blacker" comedy bit about Colin Powell when there were rumblings about his possible presidential run. And as for Biden calling Obama "clean," I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. (He couldn't be THAT stupid, could he? To accidentally suggest most blacks...?) I'm hoping what was in Biden's head at the time -- regardless of what he later said about "fresh ideas" -- was that Obama doesn't have lots of questionable issues about his ethics looming... As I guess he feels that Jackson, Sharpton and others have. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7135 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Poor Joe Biden. He is being sliced and diced for his sin of omission. What he probably meant was "clean-cut" not "clean"; there's a big difference between the 2. Ironically the lack of a "cut" ended up wounding him. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3336 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
And that's why it's so important to think before we speak. He may as well turn his butt around and go sit down because his presidential campaign is going nowhere fast. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1737 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: |
"Poor Joe Biden. He is being sliced and diced for his sin of omission. What he probably meant was "clean-cut" not "clean"; there's a big difference between the 2. Ironically the lack of a "cut" ended up wounding him." True. The hysteria and hype is bullshit. The man was not making a derogatory or racist comment. The desperate displaced Republicans and sensationalist journalists hungry for a hatchet story hyped this up. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3337 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
NT - I'm getting tired of your insults about Republicans being desperate because I'm not, I can promise you that. Joe Biden is a fucking asshole and you need to shut the •••• up. | ||
| Jackie Regular Poster Username: Jackie Post Number: 403 Registered: 04-2005 Rating: |
Mzuri, who is it that refers to the democrats as the "dummycrats" all the time ? Hmmmm...LOL ! Happy Superbowl Weekend everybody ! | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3339 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Thanks for your revision JackAss. I was just about to comment on the fact that some of you dummycrats can't even construct a proper sentence. BTW, I don't know if you noticed but my previous comment was addressed to NT and so I'd appreciate it if you would see your JackAss out of my convos. Know your place and speak to me when you are spoken to. Thank You. | ||
| Jackie Regular Poster Username: Jackie Post Number: 404 Registered: 04-2005 Rating: |
LOL ! Mzuri-are you trying to insult me dawling ? Grow up girl. Have some fun. Actually I like this one...check this out: "This is a January and February conversation so March your way on out of it. That's a good one huh ? Yaaaay, Superbowl ! Wait...who's playing again? Ha ha ha ha ! Later gator. Have a good week Mzuri. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3340 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Know your place •••••  | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1739 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: |
"I'm getting tired of your insults about Republicans being desperate because I'm not, I can promise you that." Don't take it personal. I never said you were but the party you promote is desperate. No doubt about it. They're still shell shocked from getting booted from power by popular demand! You are aware of this are you not? Because of their lack luster performance, hypocrisy, corruption and nepotism, the American voters said enough is enough. They had every opportunity to establish themselves as a party for the people. They did not. Instead they coasted in their arrogance, self righteousness and strident narrow mindedness. They are the party of big business, class and race. And they make no apologies nor attempt to conceal it. And as far as the "dummycrat" comment -good! I could care less. I'm not a democrat so you are free to insult them all you want. In fact, I'll help you -how about dingleberrycrats? I don't do party lines and agendas. I'm a true independent. I debate and vote the issues -not the misleading party line group think blather and duplicity. "Joe Biden is a fucking asshole...." Why? Because you said so? And Bush and his supportive gang of cabinet clowns aren't? Yeah, right..... ".....and you need to shut the •••• up." Oh really? Figure the odds of that happening my dear. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! |
