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Con-fusion Ethic: How Whites Use Asians to Further Anti-Black Racism
By Tim Wise
It happened again, for what seems like the millionth time. Once again, in response to something I said about ongoing racism in the United States, someone (a white male, naturally) pulled out the all-too-common conservative race card (oh yes, they have one), which they believe disproves the existence of racial injustice. It sounds a bit like this:
"If racism is such a big deal in America, then why have Asians done so well? Why is Asian income higher than white income? Doesn't this prove that the problem with blacks is simply a lack of effort?"
Offered this challenge most recently by a disgruntled county employee in Minneapolis who resented having to sit through a speech I had given, I rolled my eyes, took a deep breath and considered the irony of the query (ironic because it always comes from whites who insist on their "color-blindness") before issuing my reply.
As I pondered my response, I thought about the Asian women working twelve hours a day in garment sweatshops both abroad and in places like Los Angeles to make clothes for people like this guy's kids; and I wondered, in what sense were they "doing so well?"
I thought about the Vietnamese youth in California who are profiled as potential gang members by police, for wearing the wrong clothes or driving in the "wrong" neighborhoods; and I wondered, in what sense were they "doing so well?"
I thought about the Asian families whose members have to put in 80 hours a week just to keep their heads above water; and I wondered, in what sense were they "doing so well?"
I thought about the Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi taxi drivers who endure crappy working conditions, customers who get pissy about their accents or "attitudes," and cops who are responsible for nearly eighty percent of all anti-South Asian attacks-often against hack drivers in places like New York; and I wondered, in what sense were they "doing so well?"
I thought about the demonization of Wen Ho Lee, and of Chinese American political contributors during the Clinton Administration; and the beating death of Vincent Chin; and the persistent refrain that the Japanese are "buying up America;" and I wondered, in what sense were they "doing so well?"
But instead of getting into all of those things, which likely wouldn't have been seen as responsive by my detractor, I offered the following.
First, I noted that the Asian "model minority" myth has long been a staple of white conservative race commentary, though rarely have members of the various Asian communities in the U.S. pushed the notion themselves. The genesis of this argumentation goes back to the 1950's and '60's, when prominent magazines ran articles lauding the "hard-working" Chinese or Japanese, and explicitly contrasting their "success" with the "failure" of African Americans.
Of course, none of these ever editorialized in favor of lifting the immigration restrictions that had kept Asian populations small in the U.S. from the 1880's until 1965, despite their respect for their favored persons of color. Neither they nor any adherent to the model minority image spoke out against internment of "hard-working" Japanese Americans during World War Two, or the killing of hard-working Southeast Asians during the Vietnam War.
Secondly, I explained that comparisons between blacks and Asian Americans overlook a number of differences between them. Whereas the African American population represents a cross-section of background and experience, the APA community is highly self-selected. Voluntary migrants from nations that are not contiguous to their country of destination tend to be those with the skills and money needed to leave their home country in the first place. As many scholars have found, Asian immigrants are largely drawn from an occupational and educational elite in their countries of origin.
Indeed, Asian "success" in the U.S. relative to others is largely due to immigration policies that have favored immigrants with pre-existing skills and education. As the Glass Ceiling Commission discovered in 1995, between two-thirds and three-quarters of the highly-educated APA community in the U.S. already had college degrees or were in college upon their arrival.
Thanks to preferences for educated immigrants, Asian Americans are two-thirds more likely than whites and three times more likely than blacks to have a college degree. More than eight in ten Indian immigrants from 1966-1977 had advanced degrees and training in such areas as science, medicine or as engineers.
Pre-existing educational advantages are implicated in Asian success once here; but they hardly indicate genetic or cultural superiority. After all, to claim superior Asian genes or culture as the reasons for achievement in the U.S. requires one to ignore the rampant poverty and lack of success for persons from the same genetic or cultural backgrounds in their countries of origin. There is no shortage, after all, of desperately poor Asians in the slums of Manila, Calcutta and Hong Kong: testament to the absurdity of cultural superiority claims for Asians as a group.
Indeed, ethnic Koreans in Japan, as well as the Burakumin there-a minority treated similarly to the Dalits in India-consistently underperform economically and educationally, compared to dominant Japanese. They are both the targets of discrimination, and although they are culturally and genetically indistinguishable from other Koreans or Japanese, they are consistently found at the bottom of Japanese society, and do worse than others in Japan, or than Koreans in Korea.
Not only does this debunk the notion of pan-Asian superiority in genes or culture, but it also suggests that a group's caste status influences group outcomes: much as with blacks in the U.S., whose position has been similar to the Burakumin and ethnic Koreans in Japan.
The primary argument put forth by those who push the model minority myth is that APA income in the U.S. is higher than the average for other people of color and even whites. As such, it is suggested, racial discrimination cannot be a significant problem any longer.
But the data that shows Asians doing better in terms of income than whites, is family and/or household data, not per capita income data. This is important because APA households and families tend to have more family members (thus, slightly higher incomes are made to stretch over more persons), and more earners per family (thus, it takes more family members in the workforce in order to earn only slightly more than whites, with fewer income earners).
The average Asian household size, for example, is 3.3 persons, compared to only 2.5 per household for whites. Likewise, Asian American families are more likely than white families to have two income earners, and nearly twice as likely to have three earners. So while Asian household and family income is higher than that for whites, the median income per person is lower for Asians: as much as $2000 less annually.
An additional reason why the average income of Asian families is higher than that of whites is because Asians are concentrated in parts of the country that have higher average incomes and costs of living. The three states with the largest Asian populations and a disproportionate share of the overall Asian population (California, New York and Hawaii), rank 13th, 4th, and 16th in terms of average income: all within the top third of states. Whereas 76% of all Asian Americans live in the higher-income regions of the West and Northeast, only 41% of whites and 28% of blacks are in these regions.
Over half of all APA's in the U.S. live in just five major U.S. cities (Honolulu, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago and New York City): all of which have higher than average household incomes, and much higher costs of living than most of the U.S.
According to the Census Bureau, in 1996, median household income was about $35,500. But in states with disproportionate shares of Asians (NY and Hawaii, for example), median household income was $39,000 and $42,000 respectively. This means that APA median income will be skewed upward, relative to the rest of the country, but given cost of living differences, actual disposable income and living standards will be no better and often worse.
More importantly, claims of Asian success obscure the fact that the Asian American child poverty rate is nearly double the white rate, and according to a New York Times report in May of 1996, Southeast Asians as a whole have the highest rates of welfare dependence of any racial or ethnic group in the United States.
Nearly half of all Southeast Asian immigrants and refugees in the U.S. live in poverty, with annual incomes in 1990 of less than $10,000 per year. Amazingly, even those Southeast Asians with college degrees face obstacles. Two-thirds of Lao and Hmong-American college grads live below the poverty level, as do nearly half of Cambodian Americans and over a third of Vietnamese Americans with degrees.
Indeed, Asian "success" rhetoric ignores the persistent barriers to advancement faced by Asians relative to whites. On average, Asian Americans with a college degree earn 11% less than comparable whites; and APA's with only a high school diploma earn, on average, 26% less than their white counterparts.
When Asian American men have qualifications that are comparable to those of white men, they still receive fewer high-ranking positions than those same white men. Asian American male engineers and scientists are twenty percent less likely than white men to move into management positions in their respective companies, despite no differences in ambition or desire for such positions.
Of course, beyond the statistics, there are obvious points to be made. First, if whites truly believe that Asians are culturally superior and add to the quality of schools and workplaces, then why aren't these folks clamoring for a massive increase in immigration from Asian nations? Why not flood the borders, since we could all benefit from a little more Asian genius? Why not have white CEO's step down from their positions and let Japanese managers take their place?
Secondly, the whites who trumpet the model minority concept would be the first to object if Asian Americans began to bump their own white children from college slots, even if they did so by way of higher test scores and "merit" indicators. Just ask yourself what would happen if next year the top 3500 applicants to U.C.-Berkeley, in terms of SAT score and grades, happened to be Asian Americans, especially since there are only 3500 slots in the freshman class.
Would the regents allow the freshman class at the state's flagship school to become 100% Asian? Or for that matter even 80% or 70%? How would white Californians react to such a development, including those who praise hard-working Asian kids for their educational excellence and scholarly achievements?
How would white alums react if their favorite "model minorities" were suddenly seen as taking slots not from black and Latino youth, but from their own white children? To ask the question is to answer it.
And finally, to argue-as supporters of the model minority myth do-that Asians "have made it, so why can't blacks," is to misunderstand the issue of moral and ethical responsibility to correct the harm of wrongful actions.
Even if we accept the notion that groups victimized by racism can "make it" without assistance, affirmative action, or reparations, that would not deny (or indeed speak to in any way) the fact that society has an obligation to compensate the victims of injustice. After all, if my leg is blown off in an industrial accident, it hardly matters that many people with only one leg go on to succeed. The issue of compensatory justice remains, irrespective of what gains one can make without compensation.
I have little reason to believe that any of this made much difference to the individual who chose that day to trumpet Asian success as a way to denigrate African Americans. Given some of his other comments-that African sexual promiscuity was to blame for AIDS on the continent, and that he resented the "fact" that his black son (presumably adopted) has more opportunity in life than his white son (despite the fact that the former is unemployed and the latter in college)-his ability to rationally decipher much of anything seems doubtful.
Nonetheless, challenging the model minority myth is a worthwhile enterprise, especially when one considers how many decent, well-meaning individuals often fall for it.
Those who trumpet "Asian values and culture" (based on stereotypical understandings of both, not unlike the white guys who covet mail-order Asian brides for their anticipated "docility"), do Asians no favors. If anything, they set them up in a way that not only harms the groups against which they are contrasted, but in a way that harms Asians as well.
To be considered a group filled with math and science geniuses and passive, sensual, and willing female companions, not only objectifies Asian Pacific Americans, but results in a special stigma for those in the various Asian groups who aren't good in school, don't know how to fix your computer nor care to do so, or who don't fit the sexist stereotypes that are so comforting to Western male tastes.
The model minority myth, in other words, is a setup: a carrot offered to certain groups so long as they don't get out of line, assert their rights, strike for better wages, or try to determine their own sexuality. And as with all carrots, there is an even bigger stick, ready to throttle those who don't go along with the game.
Ultimately, justice and equity will remain elusive so long as whites feel no compunction about using one group of color against another group of color, in an attempt to make fools of both.
Tim Wise is an antiracist essayist, lecturer and activist. He can be reached at (and footnotes for this article can be obtained from) timjwise@msn.com
http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2002-10/03wise.cfm |
Abm
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Tim should have asked that cracker how many of these superior Asian and Eastern Indian Americans are CEOs of Fortune 1000 companies, how many of them are the deans and presidents of ivy league and other top-tier universities, how many of them are chairpersons of leading American research institutions and/or think tanks, how many of them are in the US Congress and are on the US Supreme Court...
...and how many of them have been President of the United States.
And as that cracker stands there fumbling to concoct some half-a$$ excuse for why there have been few-2-NONE of the above, he should riotously laugh...and just walk the fuhk away. |
Yukio
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its funny that I have said this for yeeeeaarrssss...offering the same analysis, w/o, of course, the same data that Wise has used. His main pts and this article generally would explain some Africans' success as well. They are the new model minority. Unfortunately, when I have explain this to some Africans, they say that I am making up excuses for African Americans...
I think it is fair to say that no culture is INHERENTLY superior to another. |
Lil_ze
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many asians are the BIGGEST ass kissers of whites on the planet earth.
all you have to do is go to new york or any major american city, and see all of the asian females (whores) who are walking around with their white boyfriends/husbands.
its not that asians have done so well or are superior.
its that you have LARGE numbers of asians coming into the country, and of course some of them (out of a HUGE number) are going to be doing well.
does anyone really think that the guy who cooks shrimp fried rice at your local chinese take-out place is mentally superior to anyone?
what about the korean at the local dry cleaner?
the cook at my local indian restaurant is no smarter than anyone else.
its just that when you have literally BILLIONS of asians (east indian, chinese), who are sending the brightest and smartest to be educated in the west, sure it would look like they are more intelligent and a "minority" that has "overcome" any type of racism.
its basically like asians have become "honorary whites".
asians are "hand in hand" with whites in their additude toward blacks in general.
my question is, how do all of these asian males (atleast in the u.s.) feel about their women abandoning them for the white man?
in new york, all i see are asian females with white men.
what grade-A WHORES many of these asian females are.
but i guess when there are BILLIONS of you, its not a big deal if a few MILLION asian women, worship and marry white men.
to hell with the east indian, chinese, and the japanese (although i think japanese females are pretty dam attractive, he,he,he). |
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Funny thing is there is an asian-american site called http://modelminority.com/ with quite an interesting forum.
I do think Asians in general are much harder working than Americans, of any race but I don't believe they have any intellectual advantage. For example Chinese and Phillipinos go to school until 6:30 p.m. and many Japanese people actually live at their place of work. |
Yukio
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lil_ze: do you read books? Just asking...often your comments rely on anecdotes that having no substantive foundation.
dahomeyahosi:
don't know about that...it is another stereotype; many asians dont work hard, are alcoholics, criminals, etc....what some asians movies, and you will see this.... |
Cynique
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Obviously Asians in the realm of academia in this country benefit from the high expectations their parents place on them. Just as they are pressured to marry within their culture, great emphasis is also placed on achievement especially among the Indians. The Koreans seem to be extremely hard workers no matter what their station in life is. The second generation of immigrant Asian merchants frequently become professionals from what I have observed. And, Yukio, you shouldn't be surprised if I say in response to your remarks to Lil Ze: never underestimate the validity of first-hand experience. |
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Yukio all stereotypes are founded on some truth, otherwise they wouldn't perservere. Of course there are lazy Asians and Asia has its share of alcoholics, gambling addicts (Macao just overtook Las Vegas as the gambling center of the world thanks to the Chinese), criminals, etc. But the average Asian is much harder working than the average American.
For example, in Chinatown here in NYC there are special private Chinese schools that run both before and after the regular American public schools get out. I don't know of any other Ethnic group that demands this. Also there has been a mass exodus of whites from parts of California because white parents believe that Asian-Americans are setting the academic standards too high and their white children can't compete. Sad but true. Do you think Americans would stand for school until 6:30 or living at work? The cultures are very different. |
Misty
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dahomeyahosi,
dont confuse asians in general with asian americans.....asian americans are a special breed....again the best and the brightest and most diciplined come here.
there is no shortage of lazy ass asians in asia who prefer the prostitute and pimp route to earn their bread. |
Misty
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right now there is a HUGE prostitution problem in asia with asian men prostituting their own daughters. |
Mzuri
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Some other cultures have different mindsets regarding work and money. The Asians that I have interacted with seem more hardworking, frugal, and thrifty than B&W Americans. Asians get paid and buy a 25lb. bag of rice, Mexicans get paid and buy beer, Black folks get paid and . . . you know what you do with your money.
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Yukio
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Dahomeyahosi and Cynique: yes, there are certainly cultural differences. but as wise points out, there are very poor asians. this is why, cynique, anecdotes are limited. furthermore, it is well known that anticommunist Koreans, Chinese, and others benefit from the relationship w/the U.S.; this is, in fact, the same ant-Castro Cubans receive in Miami. Again, anecdotes hide more than they tell. Finally, if we add Vietnamese and the darker Asians to the equation, we know that they are doing poorly, living in the housing projects of California's major cities... |
Cynique
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Nobody said there weren't poor Asians, Yukio. I qualified my observations by referring to the upwardly mobile ones in the academic realm, which is where they seem to excel when pitted against other ethnic groups. And do we know whether or not the Asian situation in Los Angeles is comparable to how they fare in the rest of the country? In the greater Chicagoland area the picture is a little different as to their economic status. |
Lil_ze
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yukio, be specific when saying my comments have no "substantive foundation".
what comment did i make that would bring that type of response?
where is the lack of a substantive foundation in what ive said?
and yes i do read books.
but its clear that most books are written from the point of view of the author.
so whatever "substantive foundation" you may THINK your opinions have, may not be so "substantive" at all. |
Lil_ze
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the "substantive foundation" of my comments are my EXPERIENCES.
a "foundation of substance" for a person forming an opinion, is not always what one might read in a book.
many "substantive foundations" are based on LIFE EXPERIENCE. and what we see in the world around us. |
Serenasailor
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Lil_ze you sound very bitter. Notice you call Asian women "whores" but at the end you praise them for there "beauty". You sound upset that they won't date you. LOL!!
However, you do have a point. Asian women see it as a status symbol to have White husbands. And in the Asian community it is a status symbol for an Asian woman to have a half white, half Asian baby with an American sur-name. Also, Asian women pride themselves on acting like "playthings" to white men.
I work around a group of Asian, and Hispanic women who see it as a status symbol to have white boyfriends/ husbands. In particularly this one "annoying" Mexican chick that I work with. At lunchtime she makes it a point to bombard us with stories about here blonde-haired, blue-eyed boyfriend 6'0 tall boyfriend.
She also "cut no bones" about the fact that she would choose a white man over the most "handsome, and hard-working" Mexican man out there. "WHAT A SHAME"!! Also, I heard that the dating situation is so bad in the Asian community for Asian men that many of them will also never get married as well. |
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Cynique, Mzuri, and Dayemohasi sound just as "ignorant" as your average racist white man who tries to make comparisons between Asians and Blacks. The groups are completely different. "Apples and Oranges" sweetheart. If Asians as a group suffered the same type of racial hatred, disenfranchizement, and long-standing poverty that Blacks faced than believe me you would dramatic shifts in there behavior.
Asians do not have the same history in this country that AA's have. End of story!! |
Cynique
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End of your story, serenasailor. The one you concocted that had nothing to do with what I said. Can you read, dumb-dumb????? |
Serenasailor
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No dumb-dumb you are the only one who has the time to sit around and concoct stories. But I guess life must be pretty boring for a 400 year old, Senile Hag!!! |
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Some other cultures have different mindsets regarding work and money. The Asians that I have interacted with seem more hardworking, frugal, and thrifty than B&W Americans. Asians get paid and buy a 25lb. bag of rice, Mexicans get paid and buy beer, Black folks get paid and . . . you know what you do with your money.
More silly tales from the High-yella, Black Cree-hole, plantation house nigress. |
Misty
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but serena and lil_ze...although i see what you're saying...asian men really cant talk...because they treat their women horribly...their own daughters.
plus if a white woman paid an asian man the slightest attention...he would be all over her...they practically worship whites so really who are they to comment on asian women being with white men.
on the other hand i do think you have one thing wrong....about the half asian half white kids being upheld...they leave all mixed kids on the streets to die in asia....mixed kids no matter what they are mixed with are considered the dregs of society in asia. even if the child is half korean and half japanese they treat them horribly. |
Misty
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whats wierd is i heard that most of their models were half white...and they view mixed kids as more attractive...but they still see them as inferior...they seem to have a love hate relationship with the mixed children. |
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Misty have you ever heard of the Hapas movement?Hapas are mixed race Asians. Here in the U.S Asians adore and worship "whiteness". And they have no problem with seeing themselves as "pets" to white ppl.
Hapas here in the U.S are adored by Asians. And they are seen as inferior to Hapas that are half white. Asians moreso than any other race I've seen really worship whites.
Especially Asian women!! Asian men are almost helpless when it comes to defending their women. |
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cynique: and i am corrected.
lil_ze: in fact, I said "often," meaning not always. ..
experiences are essential, indeed. but experience also includes reading books, lil_ze. observation without the conceptual tools to interpret what you see leads to tunnel vision.
I certainly am not saying one is better than the other, but a healthy dose of life experience, reading, travel, love and the like can do the mind, the heart, and the soul right.
you are certainly correct that books come from the perspective of the author. but some books use evidence, that is cited so you can check for yourself. subjectivity is always with us, of course.
BUT some of us are more informed than others...some of us wiser than others, and some of us more intelligent than others, and finally some of more full of shit than others....
adieu |
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Serenasailor if you are going to call me ignorant at least read the posts. I never compared blacks and Asians My comparisons were made between Asians and Americans. I see so substantive differences amongst Americans, regardless of race and never mentioned black Americans specifically. In fact because most Americans are white my belief Asians are harder working would be more of a reflection of white American culture, given that white American culture is truly the dominant one in this nation. Therefore your assertion that I am on par with white racists is quite absurd. |
Dahomeyahosi
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Mzuri the Asians that I know are also more hardworking. That we agree on. |
Cynique
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Serenasailor never gives consideration to any argument that does not echo his same old tired refrain. He can't deal with logic or reason in the rebuttals of other people because he is consumed with irrational anger and resentment. |
Lil_ze
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serenasailor, you make a few good points.
however, i did NOT praise the "beauty" of ASIANS.
i did praise the beauty of JAPANESE FEMALES.
yes, japanese females are asians.
but all asian females are NOT japanese. |
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 07, 2007 - 12:04 am: |
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Where I live there are quite a few asians (student town) and most keep themselves to themselves and stick with their own.
You get an odd few who arse kiss white people but surprisingly most I know hang about with black people and are more open with other people of colour.
I think Tim Wise brought a great perspective to the argument, one which is ignored.
Read a horrible article about a Filipino woman who went 'back home' with her half white european american child. She was sickened at the praise heaped on her son for his light skin. He was offered great modelling contracts but she was debating with herself about whether or not to accept them because she remembered how as a child how ugly she was made to feel for being a native filipino. Many filipino's love to tell you they are mixed with spanish but it is less than 3% who actually are.
Also read another tale where a vietnamese actress and model was 'revealed' and shunned for her half european roots. Never found work again.
In some oriental countries a last proportion of suicides that take place in the mixed raced population happen due to racial abuse. You got to remember some of it isn't persona, some of these people hate their own oriental selves and beg whiteness a lot which is where it all comes from
Great article anyways. |
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