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     Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3127 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
This topic comes up every now and again and it seems that there is some confusion about the one-drop theory, otherwise known as the one-drop rule, here among the Thumper's Corner forum. These are the facts: This rule was written into law in several U.S. states starting back in 1910, about one-hundred years ago, but was enforced for many years prior to becoming actual law - especially during the era of slavery. It was implemented by WHITE people in order to keep anyone with any fraction of non-white blood from claiming to be white or from being entitled to the same rights as white people. Rights such as freedom from enslavement, land ownership, the right to vote, but mainly to keep the white race pure and to prevent interracial marriage and breeding. The law was not intended to be inclusive, its intent was to keep negroid traits out of the white bloodline. This rule of law has since been repealed by the Supreme Court, however people still hold to this concept. That's the gist of the one-drop rule. The rest of this is my personal opinion: All the postulating and pontificating that goes on here about who's not really Black is a bunch of baloney. It's not as if we Black people have any advantages that white people would aspire to possess. To the contrary, it's the other way around. Last time I checked Blacks are disadvantaged. We suffer from poor health, we don't eat properly, our incomes are not commensurate with white people, our living conditions aren't up to the same standards as white people, we are not as educated as white people, and we do not have the same opportunities as whites. Why in the world would a pure-blooded white person, with all the privileges of WHITENESS, want to proclaim themselves as being BLACK??? What would they have to gain??? Being Black may be deemed as being hip and cool and the sex and music are better - but what tangible advantages does it really provide to anyone??? And who is anyone to exclude someone else from claiming to be BLACK? Is there some BLACKNESS POLICE that I don't know about? Anyone care to enlighten me? Please? If interested, Google "one-drop rule" to find tons of information regarding this topic. | ||
| Libralind2 Regular Poster Username: Libralind2 Post Number: 492 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
Thank You LiLi | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6877 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
That's how I've also felt, Mzuri. If anybody of mixed heritage wants to take on the burden of being black in America then who has the right to deny them this choice. A lot of people who choose to do this sometimes say they just feel more black than white. And that's because there's more to blackness than meets the eye. It's not all about skin color. Certain people try to ridicule the term "person of color" but maybe it should be embraced since "authentic" people have such a problem with light-skinned people considering themselves "black." | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 706 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
For additional information - http://backintyme.com/odr/ | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1651 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Nels: interesting site...but I wonder, for I only skimmed it, how much of it is fluff and how much of it is substance. Comments on the One Drop Rule and Mulattoes: The purpose of this legislation, codified in the early twentieth century, was to keep whites "pure." But prior to this, folk were just known as mulattos, or just black people unless they white enough to pass for white. These differences then, were the product of laws preventing mixed marriages during slavery, and custom, that is, informal rules that people lived by through the gradual acceptance over a long period of time. In general, the mixed population was relatively small as compared with the larger black population. Two points should be made. One, many of these mulattoes considered themselves as part of the black community, and the black community saw them as part of their community. Part of this was based on the fact that children during slavery inherited the status of their mother. Consequently, children the product of African women and white men [RAPE] were slaves for life, unless manumitted by the slave master. And this often did not happen, because these children at the end of the day helped to reproduce the labor force. And, generally, if they remained in the family, they were integrated into the larger slave community. This is important because these individuals were raised to see themselves as black people there was no choice, as some people, including historians, like to claim. Again, unless you could pass as a white person, there was no choice. The idea that people could make a choice is a presentist perspective based on seeing history from the present, rather than how historical actors saw it as it unfolded. These individuals, then, were based on traditions that affirmed a form of blackness based on the commonality of race not color. Two, generally speaking, those who separated themselves from the black community were clustered throughout the North and the urban South, such as New Orleans and South Carolina especially, and parts of Florida. This was on purpose; many of them were the product of slave master and black commingling. And some were descendants of free people before racial slavery in the 17th Century. They were generally completely assimilated, in terms of speech, dress, and deport, and often educated. These folk had both color and class differences from the majority of the black population. Nevertheless, among those in other states, although they may not been able to separate from blacks based on geographical separation, those with considerable wealth were able to do some based on their access to certain resources that the majority of blacks had little access to; like those in NO and SC, their color was only one component, for their wealth was also a distinguishing factor. During slavery times, these folk were both slaveholders and abolitionists; in the Postbellum period, some established organizations based on color, consider the black fraternities…, for example, and others fought for the rights of the black community in general. In other words, there is no plain line that Mulattoes took in relation to black people. In some cases, you had people who were “problack” but also colorist. Thus, by the time the one-drop rule emerged, it was already accepted through custom among blacks, whites, mulattoes, generally speaking, that mulattoes were black people. Nevertheless, while mulattoes often considered themselves black, that is belonging to the black race, SOME believed themselves superior to blacks without white blood. Thus, intraracial conflict, based on both color and class, was always, and still a part of the so-called black community. | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 711 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Yukio -- "Nels: interesting site...but I wonder, for I only skimmed it, how much of it is fluff and how much of it is substance." The site is much deeper than you might think, and definitely not fluff. It really caters to some very serious folks on the ODR doctrine. You have to read through its many threads to understand the plethora of contexts. IMO, the substance is quite significant there. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1660 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Nels: gotcha... | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 712 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Yukio -- "gotcha..." Hardly. I visit it all the time, and make no bones about it. It's the perspective that I find interesting. Whether or not there's merit depends on one's frame of mind. Do I detect a bigger rock that's available for some folks to "crawl" under? Hmmmm... | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1668 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Gotcha, as in ok. | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 715 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Gotcha. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8024 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yukio: "...while mulattoes often considered themselves black, that is belonging to the black race, SOME believed themselves superior to blacks without white blood. Thus, intraracial conflict, based on both color and class, was always, and still a part of the so-called black community." THAT appears to be the issue and problem Kola often cites. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 317 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: |
What about educated, wealthy dark-skinned Blacks who think they are superior to poor, less educated Blacks, regardless of hue; are they not Black? This is the converse of the above statement. In order for the original statement to be valid, the converse must also be, i.e. dark-skinned Blacks, regardless of their elevated status, see themselves no different than less fortunate Blacks. Obviously, this is not, nor has it ever been, the case. This is where the argument that mulattoes/light-skinned Blacks, as a group, are believed superior to darker skinned Blacks, as a group, loses ground. Bottom line: There are much, much greater forces than skintone, hair texture, etc, that determine Blackness and divide the Black community. The Black community will only begin to repair itself and thrive when those greater issues are addressed and resolved, rather than a petty, counterproductive focus on superficial differences within said community. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4277 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
The BLACK community will thrive and gain POWER once we get rid of Non-Black women like yourself Urban_scribe whose sons are raised by you to think like you do...and your thinking has NOTHING that empowers Black people in their struggle to get off the bottom. You're the typical octoroon (Mexican looking) who can't fathom the idea that YOU should be kicked out, because YOU see the blacks as inferior anyway, which is evident by your own PATRONIZING (I loves 'yall people so much) posts. It's amazing how you all think these IDEAS are coming from some little African woman--when in fact, there's a whole Black Community out there that's mentally separating itself from people like you every day. Kola Boof is simply brave enough to SAYOUTLOUD what millions are already whispering about. Blacks need their own. Let you and your mixed race grandchildren get the fu.ck on. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3137 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Kola Spoof Stop Coming With The Authentic Mixie Bi-racial Half-breed Mulatto Rants And STFU Because We All Know That You Aren't Really BLACK!!! CrackBabyBitch!!! You Need To Take Your Three-Quarter Authentic Illegitimate Offsprings And Go Back To Afrika WH-Y-NCH!!! | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 318 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: |
First, Kola, I don't look Mexican. I never said I look Mexican. I said I look Latino, but never singled out a SPECIFIC Latino group. That's something YOU cooked up. Second, FOR ONCE can you address the issue, rather than going on one of your baseless, madhatter personal attacks. Third, YOU are NOT Black, much less BLACK AMERICAN, so shut the phuck up! Lastly, leave my children out of this, unless you want me to comment on those little voodoo dolls that fell out of your ass! I guarantee you, it won't be pretty. You have no morals, no scruples, and no principles. You're so LOW you attack innocent children. You deserve to be burned alive! Now, if there are any BLACK AMERICANS who would like to have an intelligent discussion on this subject, I'm all ears. And in case all of that went over your head, Kola, SUCK MY D!CK, B!TCH!!!!! By your own admission, that's what you do best. You're a punchline; and like all good punchlines, you provide one helluva laugh! | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4278 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
LOOK ALL--- The first angry REFLEX of this Mexican-looking nig/ger-bit/ch is to label Black Children "VOODOO DOLLS". Do anybody read that??? Of all the insults she could have dreamt up--her IMMEDIATE ONE was "Voodoo dolls". This is the same woman who referred to African people as "Tree jumpers" in another thread when she was PISSED OFF. Can anybody guess why I'm claiming she's not a REAL black woman? Everytime she gets mad, her true feelings about BLACK PEOPLE come bursting out. Any of you smart enough to pick up on that? | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4279 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Again, Miss Latina (and admitted Moderator at a NON-Black board: Blacks need their own. Let you and your mixed race grandchildren get the fu.ck on. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1674 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
abm: it is an interracial issue; but I say, fu.&kem! At the same time, one can not look at a person who is mulattoe and tell if they ya enemy or friend is my point. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4280 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Being a "friend" YUKIO does not qualify for being the same group. I have white women friends that I would trust with my life. You keep treating Black People as if they're SUBHUMAN nobodys who yellow people are doing a "favor" taking on this "burden". None of you really HEAR yourselves and the shit you say----you SOUND LIKE White Fuckers--the way you discuss our BLACKNESS like its' nothing. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1805 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
LOL......I don't see why African and voodoo doll have to seem so synonymous. I wish you guys could visit Mississippi, and see the "mixed revolution" there......and the majority of those people look more like Jennifer Hudson than anyone else. So much for people WANTING to be black. People who LOOK black, call themselves mixed. People that you KNOW and you've MET their families call themselves mixed because....well, "there's a rumor that SOMEONE in my family was Indian....don't know if that's true....never seen a picture....but I ain't blue-black.....so I'm mixed." One guy I knew with the last names HOLMES, claimed that he was mixed.....because he had an English name. He just KNEW that meant his REAL FAMILY was British. Dumbass wouldn't even CONSIDER that maybe that was the name of his family's OWNERS. My family's owners were Scottish. Maybe that ODR was put in place simply so white kids wouldn't be as confused as our kids. Y'all won't be hearing from me until at least Monday or possibly Tuesday. Bye. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1806 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: |
And you KNOW white men have the upper hand......when we can trace our OWNER'S pre-American ancestors, better than we can trace OUR OWN. I don't know if my family came from Sierra Leone, or Burkina Faso, or WHERE EVER. But I know the owners of our family were Scottish. That's quite sad. That's it, I'm out. Bye. | ||
| Americansista Regular Poster Username: Americansista Post Number: 221 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
Renata, that tidbit about Mississippi is just...ugh. Reminds me of some women I know, always claiming to have indian in their family. That is fine, they might but all the pretending; silky straight, cold black weave down their backs, powder/foundation 2 shades LIGHTER than their faces and green contact lenses all to PROVE A POINT about having Indian blood. Makes no sense to me. Hell, I look, act and indentify with being a black american and proud of it. As if claiming you're mixed is going to make you any better or makes folks THINK you are any better. PLEASE. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6896 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Quiet as it's kept kola boof has an orgasm every time Mzuri says she is a mulatto or creole because this cur really wants to be white and that's why she's so frustrated. And she continues to blow hot air out of her rubber asshole, thinking that just because she says something that makes it so. It never occurs to this ditz that she is the myopic one because her self-serving arguments are stultified, stagnant and warped and her rantings the calcaphony of an impotent desperate fool. When will she figure out that America is not her turf and slave descendants have not elected her as our leader. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6897 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Is there anyplace where Renata hasn't lived or any tall tale that she can't concoct? Well, at least the board will have a few days of rest from her. | ||
| Americansista Regular Poster Username: Americansista Post Number: 223 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
RUBBER asshole???? My word!  | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4287 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
CYNIQUE, QUEEN REDBONE  Your words mean shit to me, OLD YELLER. You and Mzuri can't stand the TRUTH and you hate AFRICANS----we can't stand your nasty ugly WHITE-look'n REDBONE ass either. You ain't shit but a fucking REDBONE NIGGERBITCH. And that's just what we call you in OUR language. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1808 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: |
Lived in every state from Louisiana to FL... coast and inland. Kola, check your email. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 319 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
No, Kola, I called YOUR children VOODOO DOLLS, - as you have attacked my children with impunity and WITHOUT provocation on a few ocassions. I know you're always grasping at straws, so I ignored it, but I've had enough of that sh!t. I did not call Black children voodoo dolls. As usual, you twist sh!t to suit your purposes; and your fellow Mudhutians and foolish Black Americans, who pitifully believe they've found a saviour in Naima Bint Harith, accept your crap at face value. Get it right, s-l-u-t! | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4297 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Oh plese, Urban...who really CARES what a Taco-Moustache Bit/ch like you thinks?? You're not for anything in the black community but being FUCKED and DESERTED. You call me a "slut" in lieu of WISHING you could be one. You're just a Taco-smell'n PISS-BONE YELLOW skank who can't believe some darkie bit/ch isn't IMPRESSED. But we Africans ain't impressed with BASTARDS. Get some color. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 320 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: |
You mean BASTARDS like YOUR mixed ass and YOUR illegitimate kids? And no, darling, I've never aspired to be a s-l-u-t. I did, however, aspire to be a married woman - and I've been one - TWICE. Something you wouldn't understand. You are just an elephant-eating, international phuck-buddy MULATTO who's angry at your own reflection. How's the skin bleaching going? Yeah, b!tch, I know! Don't hate just cuz I don't require a rake to comb my hair. You're just pissed because I'm not impressed by YOU. I find you laughable and worthy of a great deal of pity. I communicate with you out of sheer boredom. I sit in this big, comfy leather chair in my splendid corner office Mon-Fri with little to nothing to do. I find you ... entertaining ... in a morbid way. You're like watching someone jump off a building. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4305 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
JEALOUS? ding-ding-ding-ding!!!!! | ||
| Brownbeauty123 Veteran Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1625 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: |
" Don't hate just cuz I don't require a rake to comb my hair." Urban-Scribe--why you gotta resort to this? I don't care about all the other things you say, but dayum, why you gotta go there about black folks hair? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6911 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Glad that little rodent Renata scurried away. What a visual: a mouse with an afro. She and that bull elephant kola make quite a couple. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4309 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Brownbeauty, I TOLD you why. Because when she gets ANGRY....her TRUE FEELINGS about "Blackness" and "Black people" come out. She claims that she's a BLACK woman but she wrote the following: " Don't hate just cuz I don't require a rake to comb my hair." She also called black people: "Mudhutians" "Treejumpers" "Voodoo dolls" (that's a black child to her eyes) YALL keep trying to tell me this rotten Niggerr-bitchh is a Black woman. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 322 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
Aha! I was waiting for that one, Kola. When all else fails, play the JEALOUS card. Oh and, Kola, about your publisher, Seaburn, they're listed as having a "poor contract and not recommended" on Preditors and Editors. Go see for yourself on http://www.anotherealm.com/prededitors/ - should you have any doubts. Click Book Publishers, click "S" then scroll down (the list is in ABC order) to check out your wonderful publisher. I think you should spend less time on this forum and more time locating a legitimate, reputable commercial publisher; such as the house where I'm an editor. Oh, I forgot - all of us legitimate, reputable commercial publishers have rejected your work. Oh well, self-publishing is a viable option. Oh, I forgot - Door of Kush, right? Jealous? Wow! That's, uhm, ... entertaining ... in a morbid way. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 323 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
BB123 - how come you don't come to MY rescue when Kola calls me all sorts of stringy-haired b!tches? If what I look like is fair game, then what she looks like is fair game. No more, no less. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8034 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
I can't lie. The mudhutian slight CMTFU!!! | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 324 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: |
Mudhutians = Africans Treejumpers = Africans Voodoo Dolls = Kola's children I can't make it any plainer nor will I repeat myself - AGAIN. How's the book coming, Kola? HA! HA! HA! HA! | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1677 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
It is a shame, when folk do that..."I got Indian in my famm-leeee!" But, sometimes they do...but the question is, I often ask, is mentioning that ancestry, or your european ancestry, what makes you feel attractive or is that what is attractive about you? My dearest Kola, please stop putting words in my mouth; we have different notions of blacknes; lets keep it moving! By the way, if you will, could you please explain the difference between Africans and blacks. I'm trying to remember bc I've decided to do a little survey among my African friends and colleagues. Thereafter, I will post the results. Thank You in Advance, y. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4310 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Urban_scribe, nobody's going to fuckk over me and my book. Thanks for your concern. Whatever complaints have been filed against SEABURN in the past--they PAID ME and my contract is SOLID and I had Derrick Bell himself ...as my LAWYER. I won't be screwed, although I'm sure lesser names have been before. Now if "YOU" had a book coming out, I would worry. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4311 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Yukio...an AFRICAN is someone who was born inside the "bloodberry" (possessing the blood of an indigenous "tribe"). You don't have to be black. For instance...Thandie Newton is not "black", but she IS African. But you must be born to a MEMBER of an AFRICAN TRIBE and have a "matrilineal" name (from the mother's family), which is why AFRICA is the "motherland". | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4312 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Barack Obama's NAME comes from the family of his Kenyan Father's MOTHER, therefore it is "matrilineal"---meaning the name can be traced to an AFRICAN WOMAN. Just like the JEWS. They have a similar system. | ||
| Americansista Regular Poster Username: Americansista Post Number: 232 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
That's true. I think if your father is a jew but the mother is not, you are not really considered a jew, no matter if you're a practicing one or not. Now if the mother was a jew, no matter what you are considered Jewish. It's weird. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 325 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: |
Kola, I have 2 books coming out, thank you. One in July 2007; the other in March 2008. However, unlike YOU, I'm smart enough not to phuck around with small potatoes. Also, unlike YOU, I have a marketing team behind my book, so I do have to lower myself to shameless self-promotion for my little book by my little publisher. That's one of the reasons I love the anonymity of the internet; people on the very forum may buy my book(s), or may be amongst those who've already placed advance orders, yet have no idea that it's me. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 Veteran Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1626 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Urban_Scribe, what is the subject of your book? | ||
| Americansista Regular Poster Username: Americansista Post Number: 233 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
U_S, don't do that! What are the names of your books!? You got a girl all curious and shyt! At least tell us the premise or something! What about some of your past works? | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 326 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
I appreciate your interest, BB123. The July release is a Family Saga. That's all I'm going to say because I would like to remain anonymous. I'm one of those reclusive writers. I don't crave fame or public attention. I write my books because I love writing, have many stories to tell, and want to share my work with all those who care to read it. Other than that, I enjoy walking down the street being an average Jane. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4315 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Oh sure, URBAN.  I have 4 books coming out this year on 5 different publishers. I specifically wanted my autobiography published by a A BLACK OWNED publisher (and to boot, they're Africans). I also have a wonderful contract as I told you--I was PAID to my satisfaction and the first printing is 25,000 copies. I'm a little too famous to be "fuckked over" like the New Beginners can be screwed. Door of Kush, another Black House, made me an international star--mainly because I'm their ONLY Brand Name. Has that happened for you---do you see the strategy in such??? Additionally---I LOVE THE CONTROL that being on the smaller publishers give, although this year, I will also be on the nation's 2 largest houses. But not to worry. My other books are with the top commercial houses, but those books....are FICTION. I haven't had to resort to any "shameless marketing"---I AM AN ACTIVIST and a person who is more interested in the SOCIOLOGICAL condition of my people than I am in "book deals". I seriously doubt that if you were to reveal WHO you are that you'd be more well known than I am in this medium. Even ZANE had to admit that with all her $30 million deals, Kola Boof is a name that EVERYBODY in this industry knows. When you call up the media--they already know who I am. Nobody knows you. And it's hilarious how you don't seem to realize that by starting out on these "small houses", the only place for me to go....is UP. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 327 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
Americansista, Thank you, thank you so much, but I'm afraid that's all I'm gonna say. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4316 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Urban: I'm one of those reclusive writers. I don't crave fame or public attention. I write my books because I love writing, have many stories to tell, and want to share my work with all those who care to read it. Other than that, I enjoy walking down the street being an average Jane. KOLA: Oh sure. LMAO!!! Like we really believe you. Anyhoo-- good luck with your books. 'Cuzz my career will be LEGENDARY. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4317 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Isn't it hilarious how bestselling authors like ZANE, Kola Boof and Tracy Price Thompson can post on this board OPENLY but these other little bitches can't say who they are??? I mean, we've had a LOT of bestselling authors post on this board and they usually don't try to HIDE their identity. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 328 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: |
Since I'm an "insider" in the publishing industry, allow me to give you the lowdown on how REAL publishing works: In most cases, if you start small, you stay small. In rare cases, the exception to the rule, you can start small then BLOW UP! But again that is the exception to the rule. In most cases major commercial houses don't even count books published by small/micro/POD/independent presses, or those self-published, as legitimate publishing credits. That's the way publishing REALLY works. But yes, Kola, the media does know your name; thanks to your notorious alleged phuck-buddy bin Laden. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3157 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
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| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4320 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
URBAN, your post is hilarious. A great deal of the people here are in the industry---and MORE IN than you are. Editors, Agents, Writers ---TROY JOHNSON knows everybody in town, everybody at the top. MANY of the TOP SELLING AUTHORS ON THIS BOARD: Brandon Massey posts here ZANE Tracy Price Thompson they all started out SELF-published and they all have sold more than a million books for RANDOM HOUSE, SIMON&SHUSTER and KENSINGTON. Zane is now a Mogul with a movie production company. Her first film, "ADDICTED" comes out this summer co-produced by Suzanne DePasse ("Lady Sings the Blues", "Mahoghany"). So you're really wrong---people who start small don't STAY small. I, on the other hand, did NOT start as a self-published author. In 1997--Russom Damba started a publishing company just for me in North Africa. In 2004--Cornel Chesney started a publishing company just for me in California. In 2007/2008--I will be published by 5 different publishing houses, including two "small" black owned houses---SeaBurn and Door of Kush. The other 3 are major commercial houses. But I love the smaller houses, because of the huge attention they put behind me. I'm more famous than almost ALL the authors on the major houses who are my age. And that's because...I am the STAR of my labels. You haven't seen shit yet. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3160 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
I think she meant that you will always be small. But you know, Oprah's announcing her Book Club selection in the next few days - so cross your crusty dried up pruny fingers and pray to the tree gods - you might get lucky. (But I doubt if she'll choose Kola Spoof - Lord knows that fugly hag has major credibility issues) | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 329 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
Once again, you're mistaken. When I said "insider" that's as in someone who works BEHIND the scenes in publishing, not as a writer. I'm well-aware there are many writers on this forum, some of whom are accomplished. I'm not speaking as a writer, however, I'm speaking as an editor. In publishing, you start small, odds are you will remain small. I challenge ANYONE who works in publishing to dispute that fact. Of course they are exceptions, but they're just that - exceptions. As the rule in publishing, only a small percentage of writers start at the bottom and work they're way to the top. Again, I challenge ANYONE who works in REAL publishing to dispute that. As usual, Kola, you're grasping at straws. You can't help yourself, can you? And please, don't confuse being famous with being notorious. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4328 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
NOTORIOUS for "black writers" would mean that I'm in good company. James Baldwin, Zora Hurston and Alice Walker were all branded "Notorious". Of coure being an "imitation" black woman, you're too square to know that. And as I said---while you seethe and flip, as if I give a FUCKK, I'll be the legend. And more popular and famous than anyone you are editing. One thing you already know---I'm not your "average" person or your "average" author, I'm TOTALLY from another dimension. So what applies to the norm, doesn't apply to me. The only straw in this conversation is the one up your ass. And that's from the MUDHUTIAN TREE-JUMPERS who I claim proudly. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 330 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
That should be work their way to the top. Anyhowway, Kola, not everyone craves attention. That's why I choose to remain on the hush regarding my true identity. I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp, but do realize that some people value their privacy. As for Zane, she and I have met. I won't say we know each other, but we've met in person, at a function in 2003 I believe, and exchanged pleasantries. I think she'd be surprised to learn who's behind the Urban Scribe screen name. Also, from what I understand, Zane, like myself, wanted to remain anonymous, but someone went around pretending to be Zane, which left her no choice but to "come out of hiding." I'm hoping the same doesn't happen to me because I don't particularly care to be under constant public scrutiny. That's just me. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 331 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
You are so phucking delusional, Kola. You've got the nerve to put yourself in the company of Baldwin, Hurston, and Walker? You're more phucked in the head than I thought. Difference between you and me is that I'll be known for my writing; you'll be known as a crackpot. Thanks for calling me "square," though. That was cute. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4333 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
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| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3163 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
U.S. - Everyone here knows that Kola is delusional. She posts this type of rubbish, talks to herself thru her alternate posting IDs, bullies, threatens and harrasses people, tries to compare her writings and career to those of Zane and Baldwin, tries to compare her looks to Pam Grier and answers questions with another fucktarded question. This fruit cake definitely has some screws loose, and it seems that she's the only one who doesn't know it. Delusional is putting it mildly. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 332 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
Dear Lord, now she wants to phuck me. Sorry, Kola, but I'll have to take a pass on being a party to your lesbian fantasy. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4334 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Mzuri, Kola doesn't post here under any assumed identities. It's YOU that does that. I'm a moderator here, bit/ch, so I'm aware that you're EAST-WEST, Lil_ze and that other bit/ch "MAZE" that you stopped with. You're the jealous phoney ••••• around here. AND....if the critics and scholars are comparing my books/writing to James Baldwin, Alice Walker and Hurston---then why shouldn't I??? HELLO..."facts are facts" | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4335 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
URBAN, That's YOUR fantasy. You're the Mexican Mutt who likes black meat. I'm not into YOU. For one thing, when your hair gets wet --it STINKS. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3164 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
U.S. - Kola uses her tired offensive jpgs in her last gasp of desperation when she has nothing left to pull out of her ass. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3165 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Kola - I don't use those posting IDs and you need to stop lying against me. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4336 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
No, it's YOU who need to stop lying on ME, Mzuri. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3166 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Kola - You are a moderator and you profess to know that I am posting as EAST-WEST, Lil_ze and MAZE. Prove it. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3167 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
And BTW you've already admitted to having alternate IDs. http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/179/20682.html#POST82094 | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4337 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Excuse me, you aren't talking about "Snakegirl" or the REASON that I had alternated IDs. You're trying to claim that I am posting as every troll that rides up on this board---like you, I don't have time for that shit. So don't lie on me if you don't want me to tell the truth on your rotten ass. And notice how Psychotic this bit/ch is. She has all my photos on file, all my posts filed and ready for her lies. Yet you claim that I'm crazy, etc. You are the fucking STALKER around here. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3168 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
KOLA - PROVE THAT I AM POSTING AS EAST-WEST, Lil_ze and MAZE OR SHUT THE •••• UP. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3169 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
YOU JUST POSTED THAT "Kola doesn't post here under any assumed identities." http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/179/21536.html#POST84931 YOU ARE A LIAR. NOW PROVE THAT I AM USING ALTERNATE IDs. OR SHUT THE •••• UP. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3170 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
I don't have any of your posts filed Kola Kluck. I use the search engine to locate your lies. Since there's so many lies, it's not that difficult. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1679 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola: Thank you! | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 333 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
Kola, Kola, Kola, pray tell who are these "critics" and "scholars" who've compared your writing to the likes of Baldwin, Hurston, and Walker? Can you provide a link to these reviews? And you're the African mutt who likes Mexican d!ck. Pots and kettles, Kola, pots and kettles. | ||
| Troy Veteran Poster Username: Troy Post Number: 501 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
I just got an email from someone regarding this post. I just skimmed the discussion and have not read every thread -- kinda jammed up right now... What I did read made me feel like I was on a roller coaster ride; scary one second, fun the next, and at the end you don't know if you wanna go run somewhere and vomit or rush to the back of the line and get back on again. I will probably come back and read this again lately -- there were some interesting points made and I want to read them in context. I will say however that Kola is not the moderator of this discussion of the Culture, Race & Economy and has not more priviledge here than anyone else. I just want to make that clear. The board is largely unmoderated (How can you "moderate" this stuff) unless it hits that fan and I have to step in... Kola is the moderator of the Kool Room http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/11227/11227.html It is also interesting to see effect of the vulgarity filter I applied. The creative spelling is... precious. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4345 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Troy, don't come on this board to defend that BIT/CH Mzuri, You never show up to defend me! stay your fucking behind out of it!!!! Cynique and Mzuri keep shit going with me everyday, they've disrespected and SPIT on me every goddamned chance they get ...and DO NOT come in asking for some REAL vulgarity. Those BI.TCH*ES are nothing but TROLL-ass TRASH who get just what they ask for. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3175 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
What Ever Blinky Nod  You Have Been Caught In Yet Another One Of Your Chronic LIES. L-I-A-R!!! | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1597 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"What I did read made me feel like I was on a roller coaster ride; scary one second, fun the next, and at the end you don't know if you wanna go run somewhere and vomit or rush to the back of the line and get back on again." Thanks Troy. Agreed...... | ||
| Schakspir Veteran Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 835 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: N/A |
Kola: I specifically wanted my autobiography published by a A BLACK OWNED publisher (and to boot, they're Africans). I also have a wonderful contract as I told you--I was PAID to my satisfaction and the first printing is 25,000 copies. I'm a little too famous to be "fuckked over" like the New Beginners can be screwed. Schakspir: "Seaburn" publishing looks like a fifth-rate near-vanity press to me. Has anybody been by their website and seen their products?? http://www.seaburn.com/ Kola: NOTORIOUS for "black writers" would mean that I'm in good company. James Baldwin, Zora Hurston and Alice Walker were all branded "Notorious". Of coure being an "imitation" black woman, you're too square to know that. And as I said---while you seethe and flip, as if I give a FUCKK, I'll be the legend. And more popular and famous than anyone you are editing. Schakspir: Most of the "real" reviews of your stuff on Amazon(if you can find them) are quite negative, as people complain of typos, bad grammar, etc. Kola has a totally inflated sense of herself. She needs it, since she knows she is a mediocrity, and an ugly, childish tranny to boot. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1601 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"I will say however that Kola is not the moderator of this discussion of the Culture, Race & Economy and has not more priviledge here than anyone else. I just want to make that clear." And there ya have it....!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8050 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Troy: "What I did read made me feel like I was on a roller coaster ride; scary one second, fun the next, and at the end you don't know if you wanna go run somewhere and vomit or rush to the back of the line and get back on again." HAHAHAHAHA!!! Great line, Troy. Btw: I recommend that you vomit...then hop back on that sucker. That way, if you hurl while you're riding there won't be as much that upchucks. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 334 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
Schakspir wrote: "Seaburn" publishing looks like a fifth-rate near-vanity press to me. Has anybody been by their website and seen their products?? Exactly, Schakspir. Just recently, in a mock press release posted on this forum, Kola and her "publicist" touted Seaburn as a "large publisher." HA! In actuality Seaburn is a small, cramped storefront located in Astoria, Queens, which functions mainly as a bookstore, printer, and distributor. I've purchased books from their store many times, (it's a hop, skip, and a jump from where I live; plus I get to go shopping on Steinway), and I must say the service is always friendly and efficient. There have even been times when the books I wanted were out of stock, but I ordered them and they had them the next day. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they get them right from their distribution warehouse in Brooklyn. Kola has been exposed numerous times for the loser, liar, leech, lunatic, legend-in-her-own-mind that she is - even by her own brother - yet the sad thing is, there are still some who will linger on to her every word like it's gospel. Have a lovely day, Schakspir. You and I know the truth. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6923 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I assumed that the board was self-moderated, Troy, until kola posted in another thread that the moderators on this board said "igbogal could be traced to my IP or to someone who was mimicking my IP. Yet another fabrication on the part of the nefarious kola boof. | ||
| Lil_ze Veteran Poster Username: Lil_ze Post Number: 694 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
kola boof, you ugly jealous african nobody. like it or not, accept it or not, our people, (not your ugly african brothers) black americans are beautiful and we come in ALL shades. so just because you, in your jealous quest to somehow interject yourself into the lives and affairs of black americans, think you can in ANYWAY influence how we view ourselves, you are MISTAKEN. no black americans give a DAM how some africans feel or what they think about us. your words mean ZERO. our people are light skin, dark skin and every shade in between. there is nothing you can do to change this. and there will NEVER be some "seperate" category for our people who are lighter. you (kola boof) live in a fantasy land, where you really think black americans need your opinions or give a dam about what you think. how sad you are. oh yeah, how is your ARAB father doing? and how are the white man's children that you had MURDERED, so you wouldn't give birth to them? more NONSENSE from another UGLY, JEALOUS, african. when will it end? | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1628 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
Hard core.......! | ||
| Libralind2 Veteran Poster Username: Libralind2 Post Number: 515 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
Lil Ze..Kola is not ugly. Stop it.. LiLi |
