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Kola_boof
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Clinton Leads '08 Dems;
No Bounce for Obama
ANALYSIS
By GARY LANGER and
PEYTON M. CRAIGHILL
Jan. 21, 2007 Hillary Clinton's confirmation of her presidential aspirations comes with a bonus: early frontrunner status in the race for her party's nomination.
Sen. Clinton, D-N.Y., who announced her candidacy Saturday, holds a substantial lead in initial support from Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents 41-17 percent over her nearest competitor, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in a new ABC News/Washington Post poll.
Obama, for his part, got no bounce by announcing his own interest last week; in fact his unfavorable rating has inched up from last month, and the race essentially is unchanged.
Clinton's support peaks among mainline Democrats more apt to vote in primaries and among blacks, a natural affinity group for Obama but also a strong base for Bill Clinton during his presidency. They prefer Hillary Clinton over Obama by 26 points, 53-27 percent.
2008 Democratic Preference (among leaned Democrats)
Now Dec. 2006
Clinton 41% (Now) 39% (Dec. 2006)
Obama 17% (Now) 17% (Dec. 2006)
Edwards 11 12
Gore 10 10
Kerry 8 7
Across the way, among Republicans, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani holds a slight 34-27 percent lead over Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
Though he's often described as less conservative than much of his party, Giuliani's lead is bigger among conservative Republicans than among moderates, and, like Clinton, he does best with his party's more loyal adherents.
Head-to-head in general election preference with that election 22 months off Clinton and Giuliani run about evenly, and Clinton holds a slight, five-point edge over McCain, whose personal popularity has declined lately, possibly related to his support for the Iraq war.
Obama and the Republicans also run close suggesting that when Americans look beyond the broadly unpopular George W. Bush, the 50-50 nation reasserts itself.
Clinton has challenges for a general election race. She's the most polarizing of top potential candidates: While three-quarters of Democrats have a favorable opinion of her, three-quarters of Republicans view her unfavorably and independents split roughly down the middle. While enough people like her to elect her (54 percent), her unfavorable rating, at 44 percent, is the highest of the group, and 15 points higher than Giuliani's.
Stars
While that can be disparaged as mere name recognition, there's something to it: A little-known Republican with a well-known name George W. Bush took the early lead for his party's nomination in the 2000 race, and rode it to the White House.
Still, it takes substance to sustain a candidate, and early leaders don't always prevail. In the 1992 Democratic race, early favorites were former Democratic New York Gov. Mario Cuomo, who ultimately didn't run, and former Democratic California Gov. Jerry Brown, who did, but weakly.
Bill Clinton started as an unknown, with support in the single digits. His subsequent presidency paved the way for his wife's candidacy now just as the first President Bush paved the way for his son.
The proviso in all this: The elections are a long way off, and much can change. That's what campaigns are for.
Democratic Nomination
Clinton's lead for her party's nomination is fueled, in part, by her own natural affinity group, Democratic women: Nearly half support her, as do 30 percent of Democratic men. As noted, she also has 53 percent support from blacks, a core of the party, double Obama's support in this group.
Nearly half of committed Democrats favor Clinton, compared with three in 10 Democratic-leaning independents. And her support is broadly based ideologically virtually identical among moderate and liberal Democrats, and better still among (much less numerous) conservative Democrats.
The ABC News/Washington Post survey tested all commonly mentioned possible Democratic contenders a dozen in all which makes Clinton's 41 percent support particularly impressive.
Democratic Primary Preference
Clinton Obama Edwards
All Leaned Democrats 41% 17% 11%
Mainline Democrats 47 15 10
Dem.-Leading Independents 30 19 14
Liberal Democrats 44 19 13
Moderate Democrats 42 13 13
Men 30 15 14
Women 49 18 9
Whites 35 17 15
Blacks (combined data from 12/11/06 and 1/19/07 polls) 53 27 4
(*HOW ON EARTH can only 27% of BLacks
support Obama and a whopping 53% support
Hillary!!!?  )
Republican Nomination
On the Republican side, conventional wisdom suggests Giuliani is insufficiently conservative to survive his primaries, and it's likely many Republicans today are judging him more on his reputation as a strong post-9/11 leader than on his positions on specific issues.
Nonetheless, McCain had his own difficulties with conservatives in 2000, and Giuliani leads McCain among conservative Republicans by 33 to 21 percent. It's among moderates that they're closer, 37-32 percent.
Giuliani and McCain also run about evenly among evangelical white Protestants, a core Republican group with whom McCain's had strained relations.
2008 Republican Preference (among leaned Republicans)
Giuliani McCain
Moderate Republicans 37% 32%
Conservative Republicans 33 21
Most important, though, is Giuliani's advantage among committed Republicans, who, like their Democratic counterparts, are more apt to vote in primaries. Giuliani holds a 10-point advantage over McCain among this group; McCain, by contrast, runs quite competitively among independents who lean Republican. That was the case in 2000; his problem was that, outside of New Hampshire, not enough of them showed up to vote.
Given sample sizes, Giuliani's overall seven-point advantage over McCain among leaned Republicans is not significant at the customary 95 percent confidence level. Instead it's 82 percent likely that Giuliani has a real lead in the contest.
Favorability Ratings
Any look ahead should include the politicians' favorability ratings, the most basic measure of a public figure's popularity. Here, Giuliani tops the chart; 61 percent of Americans view him favorably overall, just 29 percent unfavorably a very strong 2-1 ratio. Bill Clinton has the same favorable score, but somewhat higher negatives.
After 15 years in the public spotlight, Hillary Clinton is universally recognized; just three percent of Americans have no opinion of her, vs. 10 percent for Giuliani, 16 percent for McCain and 25 percent for Obama. And, as noted, 54 percent have a favorable impression of her.
Yet 44 percent view her unfavorably, led by 63 percent of conservatives, 76 percent of Republicans (still 75 percent including independents who lean Republican) and 86 percent of conservative Republicans (for whom the phrase "vast right-wing conspiracy" may still burn). About as many people overall have a "strongly" unfavorable opinion of her (30 percent) as strongly favorable.
Clinton doesn't need conservative Republican votes. But independents divide by a close 51-46 percent in favorable vs. unfavorable opinions of her. Men divide by 48-49 percent, compared with a much more positive 59-39 percent division among women. And whites split about evenly in their basic view of Clinton, 50-47 percent.
Favorability
Favorable Unfavorable No Opinion
Giuliani 61% 29% 10%
Bill Clinton 61 37 2
Hillary Clinton 54 44 3
McCain 49 35 16
Obama 45 29 25
Obama's gotten a little gain in recognition, but in the wrong direction. Last month, 33 percent of Americans had no opinion of him; that's dropped by eight points, to 25 percent. But his favorable ratings are flat: Instead it's his unfavorable score that's inched up, from 23 percent to 29 percent. While nearly six in 10 blacks rate Obama favorably, that soars to 85 percent for Clinton.
McCain is rated favorably by 49 percent of Americans down by 10 points since last spring and unfavorably by 35 percent, up six. The decline has occurred disproportionately among Democratic men and among liberal Democrats. But McCain's rating also is down by 13 points among people who oppose the war in Iraq an unpopular conflict that he's staunchly defended.
2008 Matchups
Preferences for a general election that's nearly two years off probably say more about underlying partisan preferences which are important as about specific candidate choices. And they suggest that presidential preferences in the pending post-Bush era continue to look very closely divided. The key reason is that independents the quintessential swing group split about evenly between Democratic and Republican candidates.
Overall, Clinton and Giuliani run 49-47 percent, essentially a dead heat. The gender gap is impressive: Clinton leads among women, 56-41 percent; Giuliani among men, 54-42 percent. Independents split 50 percent for Giuliani, 45 percent for Clinton.
It's 50-45 percent overall in a Clinton-McCain contest; while that's not a significant difference at the customary 95 percent confidence level, it's 89 percent probable that Clinton has an edge. Obama and McCain, for their part, run about evenly, 47-45 percent; and in their matchup Giuliani has 49 percent to 45 percent for Obama, not much of a difference given polling tolerances and with many miles to go.
Methodology
This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone Jan. 16-19, 2007, among a random national sample of 1,000 adults. The results have a three-point error margin overall, four points for leaned Democrats and five points for leaned Republicans. Sampling, data collection and tabulation by TNS of Horsham, Pa.
ABC News polls can be found on ABCNEWS.com at http://abcnews.com/pollvault.html.
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Abm
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Kola,
1st - Obama has yet to formally announce his candidacy. When he formally, officially does THAT, that might materially affect things.
2nd - WTF is a leaned Democrat (or Republican) anyway? Is this leaned business suppose to represent all those who will actually VOTE during the primaries? And if it does NOT, how valid is this poll?
3rd - What AREA of the nation did the most of the respondents reside in? Hillary's NYC? Hahahahahaha!!!
4th - And I'm going to have to see a lot MORE polling from DIFFERENT, CREDIBLE polling entities before I believe Clinton has TWICE the amount of support from Black foks that Obama has. |
Kola_boof
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LOL!!!
I agree, ABM. I just don't believe
that "Black" Voters poll at all.
That must be for the state of
New Hampshire.
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Cynique
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Polls, of course, can be skewed and influenced by how the questions are framed. If a pollster asked a question like: "do you, as a black person, have a problem with a woman running for president, and also asked: "would you, as a black person, vote for any candidate just because he was black", some distorted conlusions could be drawn from the answers a lot of blacks would give to these questions. |
Nels
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Only the conservatives want you too believe that. Obama is a very "serious" threat to the status quo. |
Nels
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"loosing popularity"?
Only the hard conservatives and hard liberals want you to believe that. Obama is a very "serious" threat to the status quo. |
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