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Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 05:38 am: | 
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Colorism (Light-Skinned and Dark-Skinned)
By Armstrong Williams
Three prominent black Americans stud the cover of the current edition of Newsweek. Each is accoutered in a dark, well-tailored suit and bears a look of calm dignity. The caption reads, "The New Black Power: Ability, Opportunity and the Rise of Three of the Most Important CEOs in America."
It is nice that black Americans have pushed so far into the mainstream. Plainly these three men - --Franklin Raines, Barry Rand, and Lloyd Ward--have seared through the competition to take possession of wealth and prominence.
So why am I hung up on the fact that each one is fair enough in complexion to pass for white?
Perhaps because there still resides in this culture a perception that the European aesthetic is ideal. Perhaps because we have been conditioned to believe that lighter skin equals success. Perhaps because-even in this modern, multicultural, multiethnic society-some black Americans continue to hate their dark skin, their hair, their lips. And perhaps because people of color continue to savage one another with pernicious little distinctions between dark and fair skin-a strain of prejudice dubbed "colorism."
Deborah Mathis, a syndicated columnist with Tribune Media, recalls an early taste of colorism. Upon graduation from high school in 1971, she applied for a sales position at a posh jewelry store. "You have such a light complexion," the employer effused with obvious delight.
"I was disgusted," recalls Mathis. "I remember thinking, what do you want to phase in integration a little drop at a time?"
Time and again Mathis has seen witnessed colorism snaking its way through the workplace. "I just think that there is an unspoken cultural attitude among white and blacks alike," observes Mathis, "that if you have a fair-skinned black in there, they are probably more like white people than are darker skinned blacks. ...I think white people feel more comfortable around fairer skinned black people..."
Felipe Luciano, a reporter for the New York affiliate of Fox 5, has smacked directly into that sort of cultural conditioning. "I' appear on black forums all the time, but I've never been invited on a Latino forum," says the mocha-skinned Latino. "On radio, but not on TV. I've even had ad executives say that I was too dark and that wouldn't sell."
This brand of racism is particularly insidious because it is subtle. Unlike the time when racists donned pointed hats and stomped down the streets, the colorist is subtle, their contempt concealed beneath the still waters of social etiquette.
To some degree this fair-skinned fetish is hangover from slavery, when light skinned blacks and, in particular, mulatto children were granted more privileges than the other slaves. Over time, a hierarchy of sorts developed around the idea that fair skin was more socially palatable.
This yearning by black to seem like their oppressors was perfectly embodied by the narrator in Maya Angelou's, I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings: "Wouldn't they be surprised when one day I woke out of my black ugly dream, and my real hair, which was long and blond, would take the place of the kinky mass Momma wouldn't let me straighten? My light-blue eyes would hypnotize them ..."
For decades, the notion that lighter skin equals success continued to be reinforced through our popular culture. "If you look at the first people who were on the air in television, you didn't have the dark-skinned black anchor on there," snorts Mathis. "Even today, every time they want to portray a big, black menace, he is really big and he is really black."
"Are there any Latino pop stars, movie stars, or TV stars that are black?" wonders Luciano. He pauses for a moment, then answers his own question: "Other than subsidiary roles of maids or crooks, there are essentially none. All the soaps on Spanish TV have protagonists with straight hair, light skin and European features."
To some degree, the 70's birthed a countermovement amongst people of color that eschewed the European aesthetic in favor of a more self-consciously African model. Groups like The Black Panthers, SNIC, and Nation of Islam demanded that one's blackness was a source of pride, not to be repressed or twisted inward. Sadly, says Luciano, the movement also birthed a certain resentment toward the European aesthetic that manifested itself in a form of reverse racism directed at fair skinned people of color.
So how precisely does a minority succeed in this world and still manage to keep one's unique identity in tact? Does one assimilate and consciously try to go about things as Caucasians do? Or does one shake one's fist at the ruling class, utterly embrace his unique heritage, and all but guarantee that he remains marginalized and the social hierarchy remains unaltered?
These are tough questions. The answer is twofold: It begins with a certain pride in one's own unique heritage. It is sustained with intelligence. The combination of the two can largely murder colorism. There must also be a dedication on the grass roots level to pressure advertisers into reflecting the full spectrum of the community.
With pride, academics, and some not-so-subtle shifts in our popular cultural myths, we may finally move beyond such destructive and arbitrary judgments as whether one is too light or too dark.
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Abm
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It's interesting that famed rugged individualist, Republican kneegrow Armstrong Williams would chose to cite the prevalence and impact of colorism. I mean, this is America. Right?
I thought to a fine, proud, industrious and patriotic American like Williams, something as frivolous as skincolor is no longer suppose to matter.
Of course, Armstrong is a darkskinned man who's doubtlessly felt the pain of colorism. I wonder whether and how that informs his politics. Moreover, I wonder whether darkerskinned Blacks are more likely to be Republican. And if they are, Why? |
Renata
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I'll have to agree with what he says about Hispanic soaps. MEXICAN soaps have as many blondes as American soaps do. |
Cynique
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After going into detail about a problem, those who dissect the dilemma always relegate its solution to what must be done by the vague, ubiquitous, catch-all "we" force. Who is "we"? "Them"? Or "Those?" If "dem" is "us" and "dey" is "white folk", den - what??? Individuals have to have epiphanies that put them in sync with Martin Luther King's credo about judging people by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. The idea that people should be color-blind is neither realistic nor desireable. IMO. |
Nels
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Armstrong Williams is an idiot. |
Kola_boof
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Well, TONYA you aren't gone!!!
Girl, I was seriously suspicious today when LOLA was banned and you never appeared/posted.
LOL!!!
I'm so glad to see you. 
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Kola_boof
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I'm Psychic.
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Tonya
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"Armstrong is a darkskinned man who's doubtlessly felt the pain of colorism. I wonder whether and how that informs his politics. Moreover, I wonder whether darkerskinned Blacks are more likely to be Republican. And if they are, Why?"
Interesting thought, ABM. I've wondered the same thing actually. But I sort of concluded that darker-skinned Black men are more likely to be republicans than dark-skinned females; 'cause they experience more colorism in their childhood, and sometimes through to adulthood, therefore, as adults they react by hating Black people, especially darker skinned and/or Authentic Black cultured ones. And though some dark-skinned women do have really bad colorist experiences (which may well lead to their being Republicans), I believe that most of us suffered far less blatant forms of them in our past...that these abusive and terribly horrifying experiences, like being teased called colorist names by other blacks, are much more prevalent amongst dark-skinned men. However, let's not pretend that light-skinned people aren't republicans; in fact most of them are Repubs - it seems. And I think the reason for this is because they suffer from colorism thru childhood/adulthood, to the same degree that dark-skinned men do, thru childhood and/or adulthood.. and that they hate Blk people the same as dark-skinned men do, as well. And so I bet that if there were a study done on color as it relates to Black Republicans, it would show that most of them are dark-skinned men and light-skinned people--especially mixed/biracial/European looking ones. (Not saying all Black republicans hate all Black people, of course.) |
Tonya
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Kola, had a complicated day, but I'm still here girl!!!!
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Tonya
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Just skimmed the "Lolo" thread!!!...SOUNDS JUICY!!!! I'mma read it and add my response in a sec if it’s as juicy as it seems!
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Serenasailor
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NOW WHO IS BRINGING UP THE SUBJECT OF COLORISM??? WHENEVER I TALK ABOUT IT AND TELL THE TRUTH I AM TOLD TO SHUT UP. BUT "SNOTTY NOSED NIGGAS" LIKE NTFS TALK ABOUT IT AND HE GETS APPLAUDED. WELL NTFS YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT ROAD. ADMITTING IT IS THE FIRST STEP TO SOLVING IT. |
Lil_ze
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SOLVING WHAT??????????????????????
YOU CAN'T ELIMINATE "LIGHT SKIN" PEOPLE.
DEAL WITH IT. |
Misty
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who the hell said anything about eliminating light skinned people?
they're talking about eliminating the idea that darkskin= negative ...and you're talking about something COMPLETELY different....quit trying to start mess you know good and well no one mentioned getting rid of light skinned people. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"NOW WHO IS BRINGING UP THE SUBJECT OF COLORISM??? WHENEVER I TALK ABOUT IT AND TELL THE TRUTH I AM TOLD TO SHUT UP."
And? First of all, the article was not written by me! I received it, read it and posted it for others to ponder. I really wasn't bringing the issue of "colorism" up with all the typical cynical racist trappings that are posted on this board. But the article was written by someone who was commenting about so-called "colorism". Secondly, you never talk about anything. People post articles and statements and you respond by raving, tipping over tables, knocking pictures off the wall, stomping your feet, calling them unnecessary names and shouting in all caps in a temper tantrum because you disagree with them. That's not talking. Not to mention you are not telling the truth but merely screaming and regurgitating your own bizarre and twisted personal views.
"BUT "SNOTTY NOSED NIGGAS" LIKE NTFS TALK ABOUT IT AND HE GETS APPLAUDED. WELL NTFS YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT ROAD. ADMITTING IT IS THE FIRST STEP TO SOLVING IT."
Once again, your twisted and bizarre interpretations of reality are manifest. I did not write the article, no one applauded me and I did not say one word about the article. But when you're too busy hysterically ranting incoherently, you wouldn't notice something like that. And I never admitted anything!
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Tonya
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Damn, I should've just posted the first draft! I can't even read what I wrote! |
Abm
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Tonya,
You make some interesting argument about WHY certain Black foks might be more predisposed to being Republican: Basically, if they were especially shunned by other Blacks while they were children, as a form of rebellion or vengence, they might be more inclined to adopt politics that are antithetical to those of most Blacks. |
Kola_boof
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Well, that's exactly what happens ABM. |
Abm
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Kola,
Well. If what Tonya says is true about darkerskinned Black males are shunned most during their childhood (which, logically, manifests in how they view themselves, their quality of life, whom they pursue and mate, etc.), why is there so little empathy expressed for them? |
Kola_boof
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I don't agree that dark skinned males are shunned most during childhood. I think that's totally false.
WHAT IS TRUE...is that dark skinned males (and ALL black males) are "babied" and "coddled" by communities of self-hating single black mothers to the point of creating a male who is more "selfish" and given to feelings of "entitlement"---he grows up to WHINE and
make excuses---and this in turn creates a "weak" man.
As the saying goes: "Black women love their sons, but they raise their daughters."
And it's very true.
What I was agreeing with in old girl's statement is that OVERALL---the very darkest skinned of us very often see the dark brown, medium brown and light folk as their real enemy---which in actuality is true. It's not the Whites who are actively calling for the ERASURE of dark black people, but the "blacks" themselves. And this makes the "darkest child" into a monster very often.
Though they self-destruct just as we do....WE REQUIRE...that they self-destruct in exile.
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Nels
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Kola --
"WHAT IS TRUE...is that dark skinned males (and ALL black males) are "babied" and "coddled" by communities of self-hating single black mothers to the point of creating a male who is more "selfish" and given to feelings of "entitlement"---he grows up to WHINE and
make excuses---and this in turn creates a "weak" man."
Get me some Excedrin please. |
Abm
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Kola,
Well. I will allow you and Tonya to debate whether darker Black boys are treated better than darker Black girls.
Though I guess Tonya might argue that part of the reason why Black boys are "coddled" is so as to attempt (albeit futilely) to protect them from the more direct, overt and immediate hell they catch from WHITE foks. |
Kola_boof
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I won't be debating SHIT with Tonya
anymore.
And at least a dark skinned black BOY
is more than guaranteed to experience
dating...getting some pussy...being
looked at with his MOTHER as "valuable"
--regardless how the WHITE SOCIETY
wants him dead.
A dark skinned black girl is very likely
to be a virgin at 40...or be passed around
in "gang bangs" without ever being taken
in public on a real date.
It's likely that her mother will look
on her with pity...not value.
And will push her to be "smart", to be
"educated", to be "independent".
It's likely that she will get a good
job--be invisible to the community
and go to museums and movies alone
--OR---in "packs" of other black girls.
And it's very likely that becoming a
"lesbian" (whether she's a true one or
not) is the only access she will have
to knowing love and affection.
NOBODY CAN TELL ME...that "Tracy Chapman",
"Alice Walker" and "Gloria Naylor" are
"true" lesbians.
These are HARD FACTS about "life" that
people never discuss when discussing the
lives of little BLACK-SKINNED nappy
black girls.
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Tonya
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Well, actually, ABM, my reason for not posting the original version was I came to an unexpected, quite startling conclusion. For a long time I felt men were chiefly to blame for colorism and I still do, pretty much, because it was white men who first labeled Black women with negative stereotypes and Black man were the first believe them, which led to the Black women despising themselves and to some degree their race. So I still think it was the white and Black man who started it all. But sometimes when you write things down you’re forced to face logic straight on. That post was very lengthy at first but I edited down to just a few key points and got rid of the conclusion because I was shocked at where it landed. Here's my original conclusion.
This is a radical way of viewing this topic, particularly because so many people believe that dark-skinned women have more terrible experience with colorism which isn't true, IMO.... Dark-skinned women are more affected by it, no doubt, but that’s only because so many people end up hating them for producing black people, and for perhaps colorism itself.
And this is why I think dark-skinned females suffer less blatant forms of colorism than dark-skinned men.
Ever notice how so many dark-skinned men refuse to date darker black women--(or Black women AT ALL in some cases *Clarence Thomas*)??However, most darks-skinned women don't react that strongly... I think it's because most of us don't experience colorism to the degree that dark-skinned men do during their childhood (and sometimes as adults). For instance, when I think about my own experiences with colorism, I can count the blatant forms on one hand and still have more than a few fingers left. Most incidents were very subtle. I don't remember being called colorist names except once, for example. And the one time that it did happen, I was called a "black bytch" by some dude, I was stunned because that never happened to me before. Of course I had experiences with colorism, many I hadn't realized at the time--but they weren't at all clear. It was only when I got older did I grasp the consequences of color. |
Tonya
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ABM,
"Tonya, You make some interesting argument about WHY certain Black foks might be more predisposed to being Republican: Basically, if they were especially shunned by other Blacks while they were children, as a form of rebellion or vengence, they might be more inclined to adopt politics that are antithetical to those of most Blacks."
Yup. That's it in a nutshell. |
Cynique
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Kolas has the gall to say "A dark skinned black girl is very likely
to be a virgin at 40...or be passed around
in "gang bangs" without ever being taken
in public on a real date."
Cynique responds:
That's a crock. Where do you get these ridiculous ideas from? Do you ever deal with the truth? Or mingle with a cross-section of everyday black folks in America??? I see the contradiction to this statement every time I go out and about in and around Chicago. Sheeze.
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Tonya
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I've met about three Black lesbians in my life and two were light-skinned. Gang rapes seem like a class and dysfunctional family issue, not usually a part of the "respectable working class." The only 40 year virgin I ever heard of was white. And young Blacks (like whites) normally go out on dates in doubles or packs. |
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misty, where do you get the idea that "darkskin=negative"?
its SO boring listing to the same bunch of CRY BABIES ALWAYS bitching about how "dark skin females" are somehow mistreated.
its just b.s.
wait a minute, dark skin females are somehow looked at in a negative light, but dark skin males are not?
if dark skin females are somehow "mistreated", then the same MUST be true for dark skin males.
and if its not, id LOVE for someone to explain to me why this is?
all of this is SUCH bull.
we all know dam well that MOST black men are in relationships with black women.
and there is NO proof that "shade of skin" is a factor in the female that a black male chooses to date.
if there is proof, PLEASE post this info.
let us remember, REAL LIFE is not what we see on B.E.T. .
the more i see these kind of posts that are TOTALLY not based on facts, it becomes more and more clear that you have a HANDFUL of VERY BITTER black females, that will do or say ANYTHING in order to paint this false picture that "darkskin females" are somehow "getting the shaft" by society (or black society).
its just NOT true.
th handful of people you see on B.E.T., is NOT the reality in black america. |
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More than 95% of the time, dark(er)-skinned black women (w/or w/o a strong "Negroid" phenotype) are the instigators of discord when it comes to skin tone within the so-called black community. But leave them "out" of the picture, and all's well. Interestingly enough, when I've attended certain social functions, not one of them was invited to attend for just that reason. |
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This board itself breaks down the reliability of your observation. For the last six months or so, virtually all of our discussions regarding skin color have been initiated by one of the men on this board. This thread right here was started by Nfts; and you yourself just started a thread an hour ago about the “racial and ethnic differences in Blood type and composition”!!! Out of all the topics we discuss, color is the only one that never fails to attract people like you and Nfts and Lil_Z and others. And when we don’t talk about color, you guys will start a thread JUST SO we can talk about it. It’s like y'all can’t get enough. I mean really, who do you think you’re fooling? I'm 100% certain that if we didn't discuss color on this site, the vast majority of the people here wouldn't be; and most of the people here are LIGHT-SKINNED, see the correlation? And since there are only a few of us dark-skinned women on this board, this means every slap down argument we have about color is mostly comprised of light-skinned women. This fact alone completely shatters your colorist preconceived notion. |
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Tonya --
"color is the only one that never fails to attract people like you and Nfts and Lil_Z and others"
"This fact alone completely shatters your colorist preconceived notion."
Your frustration is showing.
p.s., As a matter of fact, when "I" take five (as in weeks) and watch this board from the wings, a color-themed thread is opened up by at least one person every several days. I respond to the statements and inferences I take note of.
"I mean really, who do you think you’re fooling?"
Fortunately, I don't have to attempt to "fool" anyone. This board's participants and their sensitivities "speak" for themselves, and obviously that includes you.
"And since there are only a few of us dark-skinned women on this board"
It's "your" skin, not mine. Your issues, your problems, and your "funk of the night" perspectives on how to solve today's most pressing injustices brought forth by the mere mention of the color of one's skin. Hmmmm...
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Ntfs_encryption
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"For the last six months or so, virtually all of our discussions regarding skin color......by Nfts; and you yourself just started a thread an hour ago about the “racial and ethnic differences in Blood type and omposition”!!!"
That's totally false. This board is infested with negative comments and hysterical rants about skin color. The majority from females. Whether they are about a rapper, Beyonce or whomever. The threads I started were from articles I received and passed on. You are free to comment or ignore them. Did you not know that?
"Out of all the topics we discuss, color is the only one that never fails to attract people like you and Nfts and Lil_Z and others."
False and misleading. I comment on a variety of subjects. Unlike you, my concerns and interests are not restricted to skin color. I have responded and posted a number of threads or topics that have nothing to do with skin color. Most of the time I try not to respond to the imbecilic skin color trash talking but sometimes I do depending on how I feel. Think not? Check the board for 100 comments about skin color and count the number of times I responded to them. End of subject.....
"And when we don’t talk about color, you guys will start a thread JUST SO we can talk about it. It’s like y'all can’t get enough. I mean really, who do you think you’re fooling?"
Wrong....again. I can't speak for the others but I post articles that may deal with an interracial issue but they do not consist primarily about skin color. As I said, I respond to many different topics. I think you may be reacting to the intensity and language I use when addressing this debased subject. I just respond to the ignorance and divisiveness of the subject. I have no issues with black people because of their skin color -you do!
"I'm 100% certain that if we didn't discuss color on this site, the vast majority of the people here wouldn't be;"
Think not? Tell ya what, let everyone of your schizoid skin color gang members desist in their race baiting and you will not hear one word from me about skin color. As I said, I have no problems with the skin color of other black people -you and your gang do! I have never made one negative comment or judgement about another black persons skin color -you have! I have never arrogantly thrown silly and doltish terms around such as "authentic" to fallaciously describe black people nor used dopey terms like mulatto, octoroon, quadroon, etc, to describe and insult other blacks -you and your cronies have. I have no desire to create antagonistic categories and groups based on skin color to further fragment black people -you do! I don't yelp, moan, belly ache, whine, complain, call people names and drone on and on and on and on about the skin color of other black people because of my own deep rooted self loathing, insecurities and jealousies -you and skin color homies do! And finally, once again, I have never made a negative comment -not once, about anyone's skin color, light or dark -have you?
"....and most of the people here are LIGHT-SKINNED, see the correlation?"
Nope! There is none. I'm no more responsible for the color of my skin than you are for being a female. Got it??!!
"And since there are only a few of us dark-skinned women on this board, this means every slap down argument we have about color is mostly comprised of light-skinned women. This fact alone completely shatters your colorist preconceived notion."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's funny. But I don't think so. The whining, ranting, name calling and personal attacks are coming from a small number of darker complexioned women (but certainly not all) who are so insecure and self loathing, they cannot control themselves from attacking Beyonce, Hally Berry, Kathleen Cleaver, et al. It's sad. It really is. My God, you don't think people cannot see through this facade??? Look, if you and your cohorts refrain from making racist statements, I promise, you won't hear anything from me about skin color. Why? Because I don't judge nor have paranoic issues with black people because of their skin color -you do!
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 10:46 am: |
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"More than 95% of the time, dark(er)-skinned black women (w/or w/o a strong "Negroid" phenotype) are the instigators of discord when it comes to skin tone within the so-called black community. But leave them "out" of the picture, and all's well. Interestingly enough, when I've attended certain social functions, not one of them was invited to attend for just that reason."
Interesting. I feel the same way about darkskin Black men. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 01:46 pm: |
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"More than 95% of the time, dark(er)-skinned black women (w/or w/o a strong "Negroid" phenotype) are the instigators of discord when it comes to skin tone within the so-called black community. But leave them "out" of the picture, and all's well."
And there ya have it. I'm not suggesting many of their concerns are not valid, but the toxic vitriol, whining, name calling and rock throwing is too much. It detracts from a valid and real argument -IMO.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 03:47 pm: |
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To be fair, what I've also observed is an often dismissive, haughty disregard for what darkerskinned people think, feel and experience. And I believe that CONTRIBUTES to much of the vitriol and belligerence that you've observed.
I mean, I KNOW Flava Flav caught puredeeHELL from lighterskinned Black foks LONG before he started grilling his teefers and fielding dates with hoochies. |
Libralind2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 04:17 pm: |
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ABM..so you dont think if Flavor was light and cute doing the same shyet he wouldnt be dogged by women who have good sense..?
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Abm
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Post Number: 8077
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 04:22 pm: |
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LiLi,
I think were Flava Flav as you described he probably never would have been asked to do the Flava of Love.
Ironically, it is Flava's stark Blackness that incites and appeals to our esthetic prejudices and make him and what he does so popular.
Sorta like why foks enjoyed all of those Freddie Krueger movies. |
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