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Tonya
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‘BLEACHING’ FOR BEAUTY: THE LEGACY OF SLAVERY
BY RONALD E. HALL, PH.D.
Black women must come to terms with their own colour and stop conforming to a white concept of attractiveness
When Islamists entered Africa, they did much to idealise light skin as essential for a woman if she was to be regarded as not only beautiful but chaste.
Without considering the implications they forced black women into their private harems and black men to fight in their military or perform menial services. For purposes of enslavement Islamists kidnapped blacks in Africa and transported them to Arabia, Persia, or some other location populated by lighter-skinned peoples under auspices of the Islamic religion.
The spread of Islam among African kings and princes increased the appeal of trade in black human cargo. Thus prior to the sophistication of the slave trade in Europe, Islamists had already established an organised system of black bondage.
However the most significant difference between the Islamic version of black bondage and the white version is that, while Islamists regarded dark skin as ugly, slavery among Islamists was not an institution set up for the production of wealth. It was in fact little more than a perk of wealth and compared with the white version was lacking in cruelty, harshness and general oppression because it was not the basis of their economy.
Lastly, unlike slavery under whites, any blacks who converted to Islam were considered brothers to those who had enslaved them. While such conversion did not necessarily earn them freedom it did secure their status as human.
SELF-HATE
That being so, slavery under Islam in no way compared with the ruthless, barbaric, white version associated with Christianity. Its legacy lives on in the self-hate of black women who bleach their skin for beauty.
The success of African enslavement under Christianity meant that the practice became acceptable and a critical part of European wealth. With the support and encouragement of Prince Henry, Portuguese sailors and businessmen early on took notice of the potential market to be had in the trading of African peoples.
Sailors as entrepreneurs formed relationships with national figures and institutions to enrich themselves. They were eager to exploit the market potential they might encounter in Guinea and elsewhere. By the time of Prince Henry’s death in 1460, between seven and eight hundred Africans were being captured and sent to Portugal annually.
A consequence of slavery was the institutionalised rape of black women by white slave traders. Such rapes resulted in a population of light-skinned offspring who were idealised for their lighter skin colour.
While the women of this population were idealised as beautiful for their light skin it did not necessarily result in bliss. Despite their skin colour they were still regarded as black as they were descended from Africans.
For not a few, life was indeed painful. Their experiences were a popular theme captured in Western films as the ‘tragic mulatto’. The tragic mulatto represented light-skinned or mixed-race black women born into a world that continued to define them as black because of their African heritage.
Donald Bogle, in a well-researched effort, has written a detailed chronology beginning with a film called The Debt released in 1912. A white man's wife and his black mistress bear him children simultaneously. After growing up together, the white son and the light-skinned black daughter became romantically involved with one another and decided to get married. Eventually it is revealed to them at the crucial moment that they are in fact brother and sister. Their lives were thus ruined not only because they were kin, but also because the girl had black blood.
ONE DROP THEORY
The light skin and blue eyes that would otherwise have defined her as white were irrelevant, rendering her identity by the one drop theory as black.
In real life Dorothy Dandridge was an American black woman also idealised as beautiful for her light skin. She exemplified the ultimate metaphor of ‘tragic mulatto’ in the failings of her film career. Her life and stardom were reported on by the white and black presses alike. The light skin which may have enabled her professionally more than likely forced her to live out a screen image that eventually destroyed her.
Rumour has it she succumbed to alcoholism, drugs, and destructive love affairs.
Finally in 1965, at the age of 41, Dorothy Dandridge was found dead, the victim of an overdose of anti-depressant pills. The tragedy of Dandridge’s life is that by the legacy of slavery light skin had defined her as beautiful, but being of African descent also inferior.
The consequences of slavery became rooted in the life experience of black people, which soon found its way into black literature. Its first appearance as the central theme in a novel was in Wallace Thurman's The Blacker the Berry, which, according to Langston Hughes, brought into the open “a subject little dwelt upon in [black] fiction”.
The title comes from a folk saying – often defensively on the lips of those who speak it – especially as pertains to black women.
Thurman's heroine, Emma Lou, is a dark girl whom he takes through every kind of social milieu, mercilessly depicting the hurts and the cruelties inflicted upon her. These begin when she is still in her cradle with the scorn of relatives (“Try some lye,” they would joke viciously to her mother, “it may eat it [the blackness] out. She can't look any worse!”).
It goes on with the hatred of her mother, who sees her daughter's darkness as her penalty for marrying a dark man of whom she is ashamed. Emma Lou goes to school where she hopes to find a kinder cosmopolitanism, but she is snubbed there as well by light-skinned blacks.
She moves when she finds all the better jobs even at the menial levels of restaurant work restricted to light-skinned black girls and where she must even listen to the raucous taunts of hoodlums she passes on the streets, their voices carrying after her with: “Man, you know I don't haul no coal,“ or singing a common ditty: “A yellow girl rides in a limousine, a brown-skinned rides a Ford, a black girl rides an old jackass, but she gets there, yes, my lord.”
Emma Lou makes a friend of a West Indian girl who is also suffering the slings and arrows of rejection as a ‘monkey chaser’, but even here the circle is rounded for her by a West Indian landlady who turns her away because as Thurman explains, “persons of colour don't associate with blacks in the Caribbean islands she had come from.”
He takes us with his heroine through the common practice of skin ‘bleaching,’ the use of all sorts of preparations and powders on which great fortunes were made in the ready market among dark-skinned women.
She even tries arsenic wafers, which she had heard increased skin pallor, but she only falls sick and all the ointments and solutions only served to give her rashes, burns, and irritations. At work and at church, she goes on seeking acceptance without finding it, and when a “yaller n*****” shows interest, she is flattered “that a man of light skin should find himself attracted to her,” but then she finds she despises him for this very reason.
As a gifted black writer Thurman died at an early age leaving the world at a loss for his gifts. While the practice of skin ‘bleaching’ by the character in his novel was the focus of fiction, it has also become the modern-day legacy of slavery.
In ‘bleaching’ for beauty black women all over the world are doing whatever is necessary to acquire light skin. An article on the Ghanaian website, Obaahema, explored the phenomenon.
In Canada a 16 year-old student named Grace gets up in the morning and while standing in front of the mirror is hurt by what she sees as herself. The image that is reflected in the mirrors is one which causes her to be severely depressed.
She does not like her kinky-permed-straight African hair in a world where almost all hair is straight. Her nose is broad and her lips are thick in a world where noses are keen and lips thin. Her dark brown eyes suggest she is ugly and having no way to escape resorts to ‘bleaching’ creams.
Each time she resorts to the ‘bleaching’ creams is an opportunity to escape her ugliness. With each application she can approach the escape from her dark ugliness and get closer to the idealised light-skinned beauty. When the creams wear off Grace is forced to acknowledge the fact that she is black. She must admit that she is undesirable to men and only by ‘bleaching’ to lighten her darkness can she be rescued from her fate.
Another named Latoya is a 17-year-old Jamaican who is determined to ‘bleach’ her skin which the locals call ‘brownin’. ‘Brownin’ is a Jamaican term used all over the Caribbean island in reference to blacks who have light skin. Latoya applies thick layers of bleaching creams to her face, despite the fact that some may contain dangerous steroids. She is aware that the warning labels advise her that the practice of ‘bleaching’ could damage her skin.
Without concern she goes about daily ‘bleaching’ because she is pleased with what she sees of herself.
“When I walk on the streets you can hear people say: ‘Hey, check out the brownin.’ It is cool. It looks pretty," she said.
This Latoya wants more than anything else. “When you are lighter, people pay more attention to you. It makes you more important.”
In Africa, Europe, America and the Carribbean black women ‘bleach’ in an effort to acquire light skin which they feel will make them beautiful.
The act of skin ‘bleaching’ is seldom addressed in the white and/or mainstream media for reasons of economic or social taboo.
In fact, today’s ‘bleaching’ products are sold over the counter by major Western cosmetic companies. Professions such as social work and counselling have been less willing to acknowledge ‘bleaching’ issues because they do not concern whites.
In their attempts to escape culpability they prefer instead to emphasise the plight of children or the elderly. Thus the problem is one that black people must overcome themselves.
Thurman’s character Emma Lou is drawn back to the man who had most brutally misused her, but even he, at the bottom of the pit of misfortune from which she tries vainly to lift him, feels free to step on her at will; this finally forces her to look squarely at herself and her life.
Black people and black women in particular must look squarely at themselves and their lives to free themselves from the legacies of slavery.
What they must be willing to accept is that their dark skin is permanent. They must rescue the implications of their divinely-inspired colour from the grasp of white control.
In this way they can reverse the process of ‘bleaching’ for beauty and experience affirmation in defining themselves and their self worth.
Once they can accomplish this challenging feat, the healing process will deliver them from the legacies of human bondage and restore their natural beauty, making them whole again.
http://www.voice-online.co.uk/content.php?show=10664 |
Yukio
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you are on a roll! |
Cynique
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What if Africa had conquered Europe and colonized all of the countries it vanquished, and then proceeded to impose it standards on the people who it ruled and enslaved. Things would be the same, but the preferred color would be reversed. To the winner goes the spoils. Human fraility is human and frail. People emulate whatever reaps the most benefits. The "white is right" is no secret and everybody is aware of the toll it has taken. Only time will bring change - and the more things change, the more they become the same. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 10:31 pm: |
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Cynique that's so true. 
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Ntfs_encryption
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I agree...... |
Yukio
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cynique and others....be that as it may, it aint the case, so we must move forward! |
Cynique
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Well, I said time brings change, Yukio. But unless you can make people see the advantage of reversing their choices, attempts to move forward may encounter continued resistance. Wallace Thurmond's book does not inspire, it depresses. |
Tonya
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"But unless you can make people see the advantage of reversing their choices, attempts to move forward may encounter continued resistance."
You could always MAKE people reverse their choices. The Arabs and Asians are good examples, in terms of military strength and power. |
Nels
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Tonya --
Re: RONALD E. HALL, PH.D.
"What they must be willing to accept is that their dark skin is permanent."
Though the rest of what he said may be borderline rhetoric, the above statement certainly has merit. Too bad the folks on this board don't really seem to understand the implication of this particular statement. |
Kola_boof
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I disagree with this:
"What they must be willing to accept is that their dark skin is permanent."
I would say that they first must be willing to LOVE their dark skin---which will cause them to want it to be permanent.
It's not hard at all to be in love with dark skin.
Black men could change the way black women see themselves OVERNIGHT by showing the beauty of dark skinned women in their videos, films and magazines.
It's virtually impossible for little black girls to do this on their own---and females do not trust the word of their mothers, female children get their ideas about their worth from their FATHERS and other men in their environment.
MOTHERS, on the other hand, are more effective at making male children appreciate their looks and self-worth.
The overwhelming reason that black girls feel inferior---is that black men generally do not affirm black women and are "indifferent" to black women's images when presented with them.
My point is that the only people who can save "black girls" from this phenomenon---are black males.
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Lil_ze
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THE SAME OLD GARBAGE-
THE REASON BLACK FEMALES (SOME) FEEL "INFERIOR" IS DUE TO THE ACTIONS OF BLACK MEN.
how stupid.
"black men do not affirm and are indifferent to black women's images"?
WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN?
the last time i checked, MOST black men were married to or involved in relationships with BLACK WOMEN.
so where is the "indifference"?
STOP ATTEMPTING TO MAKE THE BLACKMAN THE "BADGUY".
it's getting SO tired.
have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Yukio
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It true; it black men embraced darker women then these women would not seek to bleach their skin...not rocket science, Lil_Ze. |
Kola_boof
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Thank you Yukio, and I do have a feeling that a growing number of black men who are becoming aware of this issue----are beginning to care. ABM has always served as proof of that for me.
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Lil_ze
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BLAME, BLAME, BLAME!!!!!!!!
"if black men "embraced" "dark skin women"-these women would not seek to bleach their skin?
so i see- if a black female wakes up in the morning and CHOOSES to use chemicals to alter the shade of her skin, its somehow the fault of black men?
and where is the PROOF that black men DON'T "embrace" (whatever that means) darker women?
does anyone have any PROOF to back up this statement?
is gabrielle union not a "darker" female?
what about chilli from tlc?
is megan good light skin?
what about joy bryant? is she light skin? or is she dark skin? or is she none of the above?
where is the line, as far as who of oue people is light, and who is dark?
the whole thing is just SO STUPID.
hey newsflash!!!!!!!!!!
our people come in MANY different shades.
our people come in different shades, and we will ALWAYS come in different shades.
so you CRY BABIES can talk about "dark skin" females until you are "blue in the face".
but the REALITY is that you CANNOT do ANYTHING to eliminate or "push aside" those of our people who are not as "dark" as some of you MANIACS would like them to be.
GET THESE FACTS.
black men are NOT the cause of some black peoples "inferiority complex".
400 or more years of BRAINWASHING and ENSLAVEMENT are.
if weak minded black people want to use chemicals to try to "lighten" their skin- then that is THEIR mental problem or issue.
let us not attempt to "lay" the problems of WEAK MINDED NEGROES, at the "FEET" of black men.
our people come in many different shades.
this is a FACT of life.
you can either accept this FACT, or continue to WHINE about it.
LIKE IT OR NOT, OUR PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE DIFFERENT SHADES.
GET USED TO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ntfs_encryption
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"LIKE IT OR NOT, OUR PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE DIFFERENT SHADES."
Well, this is true. No doubt about it.......
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Renata
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Kola, you are so right.
BTW, Black men in MS actually do have relationships with black women and marry them (VERY FEW marry them).....but they don't stay long after a child is born. My own mother was married three times. The first left BEFORE my brother was born. My father left because he didn't want more children (he has at least 15 that I KNOW of). Her third husband died, but they didn't have children.
Of all the kids I knew up in elementary school, I would say perhaps 90% or MORE were in single parent households. And I'm being conservative. I think it was actually more like 98% or so. I lived in a small town then, where everyone knows everyone else's family. Now that I think of it...I can just remember three off the top of my head that ABSOLUTELY had fathers at home, and two of them were from mulatto families.
It was to the point that I actually wondered what's the point in having a child, if you don't even see them past their fifth birthday.
Most of the girls I went to school with then, now have numerous children. Unfortunately, these children usually have NO male figures in their lives: their fathers aren't there, and not even their GRANDfathers are there.
I think I did the right thing by packing up and leaving as soon as I was old enough to live on my own.
BTW, Tonya, that was a great article! Thanks.
Lil Zero (thanks for that new name Toubobie!) you are such a dumbass. No one said anything about pushing anyone aside. They said to ACCEPT the darker skinned ones, not dislike the lighter skinned ones. NOT ONCE did that theme come up in the entire article.
And if you want PROOF of what they say....go to your local elementary school and talk to the children of BLACK MOTHERS AND BLACK FATHERS, and ask them what their father's name is and where he lives. CHILDREN ARE NOT PROOF OF RELATIONSHIPS, THEY'RE PROOF OF FUCKING. You can have 20 children and still not be in a relationship. My father has 17 children, has been married at least 4 times (that I know of) and is SINGLE at 53. |
Renata
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I'm sorry....my father has 15 children....I think I did the total and then added myself and my sister again.
Then, again......he probably does have 17.....I just KNOW about 15 of us. He hasn't spoken to me since I was 4. |
Americansista
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#1, VERY good read first thing in the morning.
#2, I MUST buy The Blacker the Berry....ASAP!!! |
Abm
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Renata,
Dayam! Your ~poppa WAS a rollin' stone!~ |
Tonya
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Nels
"What they must be willing to accept is that their dark skin is permanent."
This may come as a surprise to some but when I wear make-up, I wear my foundation several shades DARKER than my natural complexion. I’m chocolate but I’m not as deeply chocolate as I like my foundation to be. I'm partial to rich smooth chocolate, mainly because I like looking eatable and I don't think there is a skin color that's more eatable looking than chocolate. So in spite of the advice I'm given at the make-up counter, despite them arguing me down, I go darker instead of lighter all the time. I just use a tiny bit of darker shade pressed powder on my neck to make it look like my natural color. And it looks spectacular. Of course my girlfriend has been accusing me FOR YEARS of trynna be something I'm not. And she may have a point. But she's light skinned and a part of me knows that she's a little jealous because she can't do it, I can tell by the way she says "stop trynna be chocolate, you ain't cute!" LOL She’s good natured about it, tho. I detect a hint of jealousy but I never get the impression that she’s being vicious or catty or anything like that. Which is good because we’re too cool for that. Plus we're both special in our own way. |
Urban_scribe
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I also wear foundation and loose powder a couple shades darker than my natural skintone. They give me a warm healthy sun-kissed glow; I have a year-round tan without the harmful rays or ultraviolet lights of tanning beds. One of my cousins, who actually is White, tried to talk me into getting a spray-on tan, but I said no way because when she did it, it made her look orange. Orange skin is not sexy. Yuck!
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Brownbeauty123
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If there is a White woman at the makeup counter, usually they always try to make me lighter than I what I am.
One white girl, sold me some makeup that looked good in the department store, but once I got home, I noticed that the foundation was far too light (bout 3 shades), and heavy. I was embarassed to think that I walked around the mall all day like this. |
Tonya
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("Orange skin is not sexy. Yuck!")
Tell me about it! LOL!! Why doesn't she simply do the make-up thing like us? Some white women do.. I'm wondering why all of them don't do it instead of risking their health with tans, now that I think about it (???).
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Urban_scribe
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A tip I learned when buying foundation: test it along your jaw, blend well, then step outdoors in natural light and look in a mirror. If it's undetectable, then it's your shade. If there's obvious discrepency, then try another shade; unless you want it that way.
The ultraviolet lights in our homes and in department stores distort color, so a shade that might look right under those lights will look all wrong in natural light. Also, at home, try to set up your vanity by a window and apply your make-up in natural light. That way you'll never overdo it. Heaven knows, I could talk about make-up and false eyelashes ALL day; there's still a little girl trapped inside me who likes to play dress-up. |
Cynique
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This is the United States of Caucasia. Did somebody just realize that bleaching creams are used by black women? These preparations have been around for almost 100 years. And "The Blacker The Berry" was written way back in the 1920s and duly praised even as its messasge was ignored. This debate has been going on for centuries. Color-conscious people have always been labled superficial and there have always been loud voices who urged people to be proud of their black skin. My point is that people are going to do what they want to do, do whatever they feel will give them an advantage, and thus has it ever been. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." |
Brownbeauty123
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I am a girly girl, too Urban Scribe Speaking of false eyelashes, what brand do you use? |
Cynique
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And all these little handy make-up tips and cosmetic counter anecdotes being posted just prove that women are very focused on their complexions; each one has a personal beauty regimen and everybody has a special ritual to prepare the face they show to the world. Some want to get darker, some want to get lighter. And so it goes. |
Urban_scribe
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Y'know, pretty soon skin-bleaching creams are going to be a hot commodity on the black market. That's black market as in underground, illegal, because the FDA is talking about making them ONLY available via prescription. Apparently, some of the active ingredients can cause skin cancer and other skin damage when used excessively. Also, many of them contain mercury.
Sadly, I don't think that's going to stop people who are obsessed with being lighter, and equate light-skin with beauty and desirability. It's like smoking. Every smoker knows it's unhealthy and the risks involved, but that doesn't stop them from lighting up. Here in NYC a pack of Newports from the store is $7 (and the price is going up)! But if you roll through the hood, you can buy them from homeboy on da corner for $4/$5 per pack. It's the funniest thing because they hand them to you, on the DL, like it's crack. I think the same thing's gonna happen with skin-bleaching creams. |
Tonya
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"My point is that people are going to do what they want to do.."
You can say that about drugs, unprotected sex, Black-on-Black crime, having children out of wedlock, tanning, bulimia, anorexia, obesity...and the list goes on, but I don't hear anybody calling for a moratorium on those discussions. |
Cynique
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I'm not calling for a moratorium on this discussion, Tonya, I am just putting things in perspective. And actually, all of the other bad choices you named that people make nowadays are fairly recent in their origin, - a sign of the times. |
Mzuri
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But the FDA has no control over the skin cream market over in Africa. Or India and China. The U.S.A. isn't even a major market for this stuff!!!
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=108633
These are old but probably still relevant:
http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/1308/context/archive
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/05/13/asia.whitening/
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Tonya
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Sorry y'all I had to edit and re-post.
Urban, not sure if your post was in relation to mine but I agree 100%
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Brownbeauty123
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Dermatologists prescribe bleaching creams to their African American patients for acne scarring. Everybody doesn't use fade creams to have lightskin. |
Cynique
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Well, Urban Scribe, where I live people break open packs and sell loose cigarettes 3-for-a dollar. These street vendors are everywhere, and if you prefer a different venue, you can go to the Arab-owned grocery and liquor stores and buy them loose while you're purchasing a loaf of bread or a bottle of cheap wine or you can go to the nicotine dealers who sell them out of their houses. |
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^^^
BINGO! |
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I meant "Bingo" for Brownbeauty, btw.
BTW, Cynique, is that what Dave Chappelle meant by buying "loosies"? |
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BB123,
Whichever brand they use at the salon. I can't put those things on to save my life. So I have them done every one-and-a-half to two weeks. I get the individual lashes, it takes about 20 minutes to a half-hour to apply and it's only 15 bucks (at my salon). I've seen some salons charging $30-$50 dollars; 30 for the single strips and 50 for individual lashes. Hell no!
But don't get 'em wet cuz most of the lash adhesives are water solvent and your lashes will fall out. Use an eye make-up remover towelette instead and just dab it around your eyes to take off your eyeshadow and eyeliner. |
Cynique
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Black people are big fans of cocoa butter and this natural ingredient fades the skin although its labels claims to just soften it. |
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Yep, Americansista, that's a loosie!
3/1.00 - WOW! In NY loosies are 50 cents each. And nicotine vendors selling them out their houses? That's it, I'm moving to Cynique's neck of the woods! |
Brownbeauty123
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Cocoa butter darkened my skin, and gave me blackheads. |
Cynique
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That probably is what Dave Chappelle is talking about, Americansista, when he speaks of "loosies". |
Renata
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Urban Scribe, I use self tanner also. And some kind of spray on makeup for legs by (I think)Queen Helene. I don't wear miniskirts in the summer without those products. If your skin has even the smallest hint of yellow, it turns your skin brown. It turns white skin orange.
Brownbeauty, it sounds like you have VERY sensitive skin.
Also...very interesting....I've never met a black person with acne scarred skin. Plenty of Indians and Hispanics, though.... |
Brownbeauty123
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I guess I do. Cocoa butter is just too oily, and heavy for me.
Renata, I see black people with acne scarred skin everyday on campus lol They're everywhere. |
Renata
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Urban Scribe....get the strips, those things are NOT difficult to put in. I used to do it without any special tools. I wouldn't even TRY to put on the singles....that's just crazy talk.
Just take a Saturday and practice putting them on and off and on for about one hour. It's really easy. |
Tonya
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You can go to just about any corner store and pick up several dangerous skin bleaching creams; they sell it over the counter in beauty supply stores all over the hood. And I think it was Revlon that did a commercial recently (starring Gabrielle Union) for a "skin discoloration" cream. The directions on most of these creams say apply to entire face. |
Renata
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Must be the modern diet.
Indian people that I've met with the problem are usually SOUTH Indians...and they've been known to eat VERY VERY VERY oily fried food.
Then again, some of them probably just had bad skin. |
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Lil_minded_ze:
"LIKE IT OR NOT, OUR PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE DIFFERENT SHADES."
Of course our people will always be different shades. That is not the issue! The issue is about self-hate; and the original self is that of a dark skinned person. Now, this doesn't mean that there need be a hierarchy that is reversed, placing the darkest at the very topic, but it can't be the lightest either! |
Renata
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Oh, to ABM.....there was this joke (half joke, I'd say) that my mother always told me and my sister growing up:
Never marry a black man from MS or Chicago (where he was born and moved back to)....because (with my father's reputation) chances are they'd be a brother of ours. A black man from nearly any other state with no connection to MS or IL was fine.
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Cynique
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It's not like there's a secret place where a group of arbitrators meet and decide what the protocol will be in relation to things like skin color. Life is very random. Rules can be established and hopes expressed, but people do what they want to do instead of what they should do. |
Brownbeauty123
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Most fade creams help even out the skin tone, and rid acne scars. They aren't even potent enough to make a dramatic difference
If you want to get something that is really going to really work then you're going to need a dermatogolist/surgeon to transform you into this..
Lil Kim went to some dermatologist/surgeon who helped lighten her skin tone several shades. Most over the counter creams are a waste of money for those who want to become "whiter" and it doesn't even have enough hydroquinone to make you that much lighter. |
Cynique
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I have seen the results of many people using cocoa butter on their elbows and knees and dark circles under their eyes and it has lightened these areas. In the case of normal skin, coco butter is easily absorbed and is not greasy. |
Brownbeauty123
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I know she bleaches her skin, but right here she's darker. She's still a mess, either way
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Tonya
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Lil Kim is just the sign of the times. Back in the days it was AMBI because sisters were only trying to get a few shades lighter. These young girls NOWADAYS are trying to take it all the way to white. Though looking at the above picture, I don't see why. Pitiful.
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Cocoa butter gets rid of scars... and that's what dark spots are: scar tissue. Black people hyper pigment easily which causes dark spots, scars. |
Brownbeauty123
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I have not seen any girls out there getting whiter.
Like I said earlier, most over the counter creams will not make you whiter, at the very best, it will even your skin tone. |
Renata
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OMG, she wasn't especially pretty to begin with.....why would she do that to herself?
I know she used to think herself a prize to men....she can forget about it now.
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Tonya
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How does it even the skin tone when you are using it all over...as directed? The normal skin is gonna fade lighter as well. Same thing with Michael Jackson, why didn't he just treat the dark spots...?
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Renata
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You have to remember also, not everyone has the money for numerous applications of the strong stuff Michael and Lil Kim has used. |
Tonya
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It's hard to tell what actually happened to her. She's too young to be looking like that! |
Mzuri
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Lil Kim really messed herself up. This is what she used to look like. This is a mugshot from The Smoking Gun:
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Brownbeauty123
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Michael Jackson claims to have vitiligo (sp?), which causes the skin to lose pigmentation in patches all over the body, like this for example..
those who suffer from this condition usually get prescribed bleaching agents(benoquin) from a doctor that will accelerate the depigmenation of the skin all over, and make them one color (white), instead of having to face the world with white patches all over their face.
Some say, Michael had the condition and others say he used benoquin because he wanted to be White.
There are people who don't have vitiligo, and illegally use benoquin and other strong prescriptions to whiten their skin. Because most over the counter fade creams simply are not strong enough to give them the results they are looking for.
"How does it even your skin tone when you are using it all over, as directed? The normal skin is gonna fade lighter as well."
that's the thing, it doesn't get that lighter, there is only 2% hydroquinone in all over the counter fade creams and that is not an effective dosage to make a person whiter. It's enough to even out skin discolorations but that's it. You're going to still be brown or whatever color you are.
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Brownbeauty123
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Lil Kim had issues with her skin color all her life. She said that her self esteem had worsened when she dated Biggie Smalls and noticed that he a "thing" for lighter skin women, i.e. Charli Balitmore, Faith Evans.
Also, she played in a movie called "She's All That" (I think that's the name of it) and didn't like how she looked at all. This was what really motivated her to get all kinds of plastic surgery to her face. |
Renata
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A black man with relaxed hair that reaches his/her shoulders and a white woman that white ex-cons wouldn't look at?
And we're wondering if he really wanted to be white? |
Tonya
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She looked sooo much better before, poor thing. THIS is why this issue needs to be discussed as much as possible. Little Black girls should not be losing their beauty at such a young age...like Lil Kim.
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Mzuri
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She should have left her face alone because she looks like a clown now. What man in their right mind would even want to get with her - if it wasn't for her lifestyles of the rich and famous??? If I was a man, I'd insist she place a bag over her head.
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Brownbeauty123
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50 cent tried to get with her. |
Mzuri
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As a conquest. Nothing more.
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Americansista
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Little Kim needs all the plastic BYTCH smacked outta her body.
She's disgusting. UGH!
BTW, we can't type B I T C H no more?
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Mzuri
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Troy must have installed a smut filter  |
Moonsigns
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Wow. Kim looks terrible! |
Tonya
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What the ••••! He damn sure did install one. |
Mzuri
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Shut yo mouth!!!
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Brownbeauty123
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what the ••••, you mean I can't cuss nobody out no more |
Abm
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Renata,
Glad you (I guess) manage to avoid boning one of your MANY anonymous brothers. |
Abm
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Lil Kim must scare the hell out of herself every morning she looks in her bathroom mirror. |
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Black men bleach themselves too. I see it all the time here in SoCal. They do it by dating/marrying non-black women and having mixed children. I think that Black men and women have serious self-esteem issues.
Also, Lil_brain you have complexion issues also. I notice that all the women that you stick up on the computer are lighter skinned women. You that you find some darker-skinned women "attractive". However, I don't see you post their pics up. Where are the pics of Gabrielle Union, Meagon Good and Keisha Knight Pulliam?? |
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serenasailor, i started an entire thread devoted to how ATTRACTIVE i thought keisha knight pullian was.
i HAVE posted pics of gabrielle union.
and if MOST of the pics of the BLACK WOMEN i have posted ARE "lighter skin females", SO WHAT.
the females i post pics of are STRAIGHT-UP ATTRACTIVE. and YOU know it.
and the truth be told ive commented and posted pics of MANY "darker skin" females.
kiara kubukuru, gabrielle union, megan good, vivian green, keisha knight pulliam, kelly rowland,ive posted their pics and have commented on how beautiful i thought they all were.
if i have "complexion issues" then so be it. and maybe i DO have a soft spot for SOME lighter skin females.
but for me its really not about "shin shade", as it is about PHYSICAL FEATURES.
you serenasailor, on the other hand are TOTALLY caught up in focusing on how light or dark a females skin is. |
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Why not just have a soft spot for beautiful women not just "light skinned women". Also, you don't post pics up of dark-skinned women like you do light-skinned women. I'm sorry you just don't! And please keep your comments about certain women to yourself. What you think is ugly someone else might think is "cute". And to call someone ugly is "harsh". Based soely on physical features. Ugly is inside and out. You have never met India Arie so you can't call her ugly. You've never met any of those ppl.
So think about what you say about certain women. |
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i said, "MAYBE i have a soft spot in my heart for SOME lighter skin females".
calling someone "ugly" is harsh?
if i think a person is ugly i have NO problem saying so.
and i don't need to meet india.arie to say she is UGLY.
india. arie IS UGLY. straight up.
and if i do post more pics of lighter skin females, why do you take issue with this?
you know in your heart that the females i post pics of are BEAUTIFUL women.
why are you so bothered by BLACK WOMEN of different shades of skin?
would you have nothing to say if i posted photo after photo of india (ugly) arie, alek (AMAZINGLY UGLY)wek, or whoopi (boy, is she ugly) goldberg?
i do think about what i say about certain women.
there is no honest person who will say that india (ugly)arie is more attractive than joy bryant.
eva pigford is just more pleasing to the eye than alek wek.
there is something called REALITY.
i don't feel a need to praise certain females just because they are "dark".
sadly, SOME posters feel this need to fight the "dark skin females battles".
when the truth is- there is no battle.
there are ATTRACTIVE females and there are UGLY ones.
this is a simple fact of life.
i don't understand why some people are SO threatened by light skin females?
MANY of them look GOOD to me. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"MANY of them look GOOD to me."
And there ya have it! The subject is now closed....no more to be said.
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