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     Serenasailor Veteran Poster Username: Serenasailor Post Number: 1043 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Just about all Americans agree that our society suffers from color prejudice. Many would refuse to openly acknowledge it in such blatant terms, but if pressed would admit that European skin and features are depicted as the most desirable while African skin and features are rated at the bottom of the totem pole. Moreover, they may unconsciously (or even consciously) hold these views themselves. Celebrities of all stripes understand this reality quite well, and act upon it accordingly. Yes, we all agree that "black is beautiful", but when was the last time you saw a black female celebrity consistently wearing her hair without a perm? Black America suffers from some serious schizophrenia on this issue. Charges of light-skinned bias are issued against the fashion, music and film industries on a regular basis for their choices of representation. But black folks complained little when Halle Berry was described as the first African American woman to win an Oscar. In fact, more often then not when racially mixed celebrities buck the black race patrol and refuse to one drop themselves, the outcry of "sell out" and "race traitor" is not far behind. With the exception of those biracials who are too light to pass as only black, no one suffers more from this hypocrisy then black women. Not only are they unable by nature's design to compete with European standards of beauty, they are also forced to contend with so-called black women whom they could never look like either. It seems obvious that black women will only be able to develop healthy self images when authentic representations of their physical traits are depicted. Conversely, this means biracial and mixed raced people who refuse to identify as such will continue to disadvantage black women in their ability to find beauty in their African features, kinky/curly hair and dark skin. Black Americans do not come in all shades and colors. Vanessa Williams does not descend from a blue-eyed, light-skinned tribe of Africans kidnapped from the coast of West Africa. She is a multi-generational mix of Africans and Europeans who created her right here on this side of the pond. She is not a black woman. She is not a white woman. She is biracial. The sooner black America understands and accepts this fact, the sooner black people - especially black women - will be able to create attainable standards of beauty for themselves that are healthy and affirming. | ||
| Enchanted Veteran Poster Username: Enchanted Post Number: 548 Registered: 11-2005 Rating: |
Why are you posting Kola Boofs racist essay here shes not even Black American? No one wants to read this racist shit Halle and Vanessa are my sisters and I love them as such. | ||
| Lola_ogunnaike Regular Poster Username: Lola_ogunnaike Post Number: 384 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: |
Well done Serena!! Watch these Negro fools try to tear you down and pretend that what you are saying is not true. But thank you for speaking the truth! | ||
| Serenasailor Veteran Poster Username: Serenasailor Post Number: 1044 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
No Enchanted Halle, and Vanessa are not your sisters they are more like your Gods. Since you seem to worship women that look like them. You love these women so much that you want your grandchildren to look just like them. You want your sons to bring home women that look just like them. But let me tell you something. Your sons are going to date/marry white(non-Black) women exclusively. Because more than likely they are going to adopt your colorist views and began to think; Why should I date marry light-skinned Black women when I can have the "real thing" a white women. Secondly this article was not written by KB it was written by a Black woman named Jamie Carr from Brooklyn. So get your facts straight sis!!!! Even though this is a light-skinned Black woman she still knows "what time it is". | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1456 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
Just when you didn't think it could get worse. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! LMAO.........! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6511 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Somebody needs to take the needle out of the groove of that broken record known as Serenasailor. Too bad that nigerian crow didn't electrocute herself while turning up the volume on Serenasailor's discordant refrain. | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 166 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: |
She is a multi-generational mix of Africans and Europeans who created her right here on this side of the pond Love it! All that you've posted is the TRUTH! Preach on, Serena! | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 127 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
I agree with most of what you wrote Serena. I don't think that biracial people are inherently bad for black people but they are not black and this needs to be acknowledged. I am always amused at the term "light skinned black" person. It makes no more sense than "dark skinned white" person so I make it a point to juxtapose them whenever possible. | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 167 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: |
The mere presence of biracials in a society founded and based on white supremacy TRIVIALIZES the plight of AFRICAN Americans. In as such, they ARE inherently bad for black people. | ||
| Sabiana Regular Poster Username: Sabiana Post Number: 93 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME (I mean, I know the level of retardation on this board was high, but damn, not this much!) | ||
| Troy Regular Poster Username: Troy Post Number: 481 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Dahomeyahosi: "dark skinned white" very interesting. Serenasailor I agree with your original post. I did not think about this subject until I had daughters of my own. I image it must be hard for women in general and "dark skinned" black women in particular. As a Black man I can wear my hair naturally without thinking about it. I'm not concerned at all about my skin color and for the most part the average Black man's physique is more desirable than the average white mans. I'm old enough to remember when the “light skinned, straight hair, very slim, look” was in for Black men. I'm glad those days are over... I guess someone like Michael Jackson is a casualty of those days. For Black women, is seems, things are getting progressively worse. I wonder if there more Black blond celebrities and white ones? The hair is a real problem. In order to conform to an apparent Eurocentric standard of beauty Black women spend an inordinate amount of time and money. I wish we could just all shave our heads, be accepted for who we are and just move on. Of course I know this will never happen. People perhaps have a natural propensity to self adornment -- and that is cool -- but it appears to come at the cost of our self esteem, our very souls. Money seems to be no object either. In every poor neighborhood, I've visited. I see more "beauty" salons than almost any other business – all filled with women who have invested more time and money in their hair than should be legal. I do not think men are driving women to do this. It is women driving each other to do this. As a man Black man I spend about 1 minute applying oil to my scalp and about 10 strokes with a brush. That is it. I have no self esteem problems - despite my male pattern balding. I can always shave my head completely bald (that is still in style). Alarmingly, I'm noticing an increasing trend for Black men to spend “women-like” time on their hair. It is not unusual for me to walk own the street in Harlem and see a Man with two earrings, arched eye brows, a well maintained locks, intricate braids or some other time-consuming-to-maintain hair style. Of course the business man (usually non-black) is fanning the flames, encouraging this behavoir, in order to capitalize on the obession. ----- By the any one tell me why a 2oz bottle of hair oil from Carols Daughter has to cost $18? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6515 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Who creates bi-racials? If bi-racials are bad for black women, then so is freedom of choice. There are winners and losers in this game of life. It's a random crap shoot. Authentic blacks proceed on the assumption that life is fair. It isn't. America will never adjust to their demands because the majority rules here. Right or wrong, many blacks consider producing bi-racial children a way to make the lives of such offspring easier. Who is to say they are wrong to feel this way? Who wants a hard life made harder?? And all the angry preaching about this sin seems to be having very little effect because there is no incentive. | ||
| Enchanted Veteran Poster Username: Enchanted Post Number: 559 Registered: 11-2005 Rating: N/A |
Here here and thank you. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6516 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Aw shut up,"enchanted". Ain't no body talkin to you and your troll self. | ||
| Robynmarie Regular Poster Username: Robynmarie Post Number: 257 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: N/A |
I agree with Cynique. My question is what should people like Halle Berry and Vanessa Williams do? Jump off a cliff, retire, fade away?? Do you think it is these women promoting themselves as the standard of beauty for black women or is this the image people of all races desire to see? Who is to blame? Obviously, we do need a diversity of images, but how do we make sure dark skinned women and others get represented in movies, on television, videos, etc.? BTW, white women and other races spend an "inordinate amount of money" on their hair. Coloring, cutting, dyes, perms, etc. They spend big bucks in expesnisve salons while many black women (like me) get their hair done by "kitchen beauticians." | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6517 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I would add that bi-racials are not as big a threat as those who hate them portray them to be. This is a controversial issue and people know that a sure way stir up passions is to focus on it. What never seems to be acknolwledged is that most blacks marry within their race. I think that Bi-racials will eventually evolve into a separate ethnicity mostly because they are so abhorrent to authentics. | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 168 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: |
"Right or wrong, many blacks consider producing bi-racial children a way to make the lives of such offspring easier. Who is to say they are wrong to feel this way? Who wants a hard life made harder??" What a DEPRESSING redbone commentary, yet not surprising. This is the very defeatist disposition that AUTHENTIC blacks silently fight every minute of our fragile BLACK lives. This is a PRIME example of why BIRACIAL QUINTESSENCE is inherently bad for our collective BLACK health! They are a VIRUS! Had we succumb to such a suicidal conclusion, we would not have endured several HUNDRED YEARS of treacherous slavery. We owe our AUTHENTIC BLACK slave ancestors more than that crock of SHIT! EITHER RISE UP or Step the FUCK OUT THE WAY! | ||
| Robynmarie Regular Poster Username: Robynmarie Post Number: 258 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: N/A |
what happens when a bi-racial marries an "authentic" and produces children? How are the kids classified? What does it take to qualify as authentic? How far back in your gene pool do you have to go? | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6519 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Well it's not suprising that you would say what you say, Toubootie. You have no choice. You are fightin for your survival. Yet, what makes your authentic ancestors more worthy of homage than anchestors of "nonauthentic" slave descendants?? You think you are elite. You are not. Not in this country. But I'm outta your way, babe. And lotsa luck. | ||
| Robynmarie Regular Poster Username: Robynmarie Post Number: 259 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: N/A |
The problem is the average black American has no idea about their own family history. Many people can't tell you about family members earlier than their grandparents. They think their roots started in slavery, when the race mixing in this country began. I suggest everyone trace their family tree. You might be surprised who some of your relatives were. | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 169 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: |
"[N]onauthentic" blacks and their ancestors are bi-products, the frothy white filth that SHALL get filtered out. They knew it and YOU know it. You and YOUR ilk are not contenders in this war, nor are you spectators. We are waiting for you to die off, you irrelavent SLOP! There was a time when people who thought like you got their throats slit. Cynner, that day shall come again. You are wise to step the fuck off. Signed, The AUTHENTIC BLACK ELITE | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 3892 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: |
Ahh, now TROY hates and abhors all biracial people now! Love it! ...how you NEVER quit reaching for them straws! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6520 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Dream on, Touboutie. Poor old irrational, deluded tar baby. You're fighting a losing battle. The only weapon you have is hate and that is self consuming. In 10 years you'll be shifting around looking at your dwindling ranks wondering what we elite folks gonna do next. LMAO. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6521 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Puleeze, Tonya. Where does Troy say he "abhors all bi-racial people"? Your desperation is showing. tsk-tsk. | ||
| Lil_ze Veteran Poster Username: Lil_ze Post Number: 637 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
what a DUMB-ASS thread. like it or not, LIGHT SKIN BLACK PEPOLE are not going ANYWHERE. so all of you foolish color struck idiots BETTER get used to it. by the way, TWO DARK SKIN parents CAN produce a LIGHT SKIN CHILD. are there ANY posters here (except for those ugly africans) who don't have light skin people in their families? so what the hell does SERENASAILOR or anyone else who is always bitching about "light skin this, light skin that" want to do about light skin BLACK PEOPLE? you are not going to do a dam thing but keep running your mouth. like i said, LIGHT SKIN BLACK PEOPLE are not going ANYWHERE. SO GET USED TO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 170 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: |
Cynner, Tar baby? yes. Old? no..... I take solace in the fact that you can no longer squeeze any more irrelevance (children) out of your barren OLD ass. I, on the other hand, shall produce the BLACK BRILLIANCE that shall CRUSH you, ya FAT FUCK! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6522 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Better chill out, Lil Ze. Toubootie and her vigilantes will get you for daring to burst their bubble. snicker. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6523 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
That's all right, Toubootee. I, who am not fat, got 5 kids, 9 grandkids and 2 great-grand babies to carry on my line. And as ugly as you sound, ain't no man, black or white gonna want to impregnate your sorry ass and bring nothing that looks like you into the world. Now go back to your little tribe and try and convince each other that your fantasizies will not disintegrate in the "light" of reality. Poor ol fool. | ||
| Lil_ze Veteran Poster Username: Lil_ze Post Number: 639 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
yes cynique, i know that the "authentic-black people" club will get upset, but these idiots NEED to have their bubble burst. my family has both light and dark skin people in it. as im sure MOST black american families do. and WHO CARES? i really don't understand what these people would like to see happen? the extermination of any "black" person lighter that a brown paper bag? the separation of any black person who is lighter than a brown paper bag from any other black person who is darker than a brown paper bag? maybe the world should institute separate entrances, eating establishments, water fountains, movie theaters, etc for light skin black people and darker skin black people? maybe light skin black people should wear a patch that says "I'M not A REAL BLACK PERSON". WHAT THE HELL DO THEY WANT? boy oh boy, when will we get past this nonsense? oh yeah, when ALL light skin blacks are exterminated. right? stupid ass color struck lunatics. | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 172 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: |
Cynner, And from the looks of it, you feed your family well, ol 'great' matriarch... You are a sham and a grafted SHAME.  | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6524 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
The more you try the less you succeed, Tooubootie. Too bad you have to resort to posting kola-esque pictures because you can't come up with anything substantial to dispute the truth of the fact that you and your pitiful little cadre are doomed to failure. And I've wasted enough energy you, Queen Kong. Buh Bye. | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 173 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
By your response, Cynner, I have succeeded. Obviously, "kola-esque" pictures are effective. You can't seem to get her out of your system for this reason, fat ass cancerous LEECH. | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 638 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Don't blame Halle or Vanessa for who they are. It's the peasy-headed left-wing pro-Black "black" zealots of the world who insist that Halle and Vanessa be considered black because of the ODR. For the blackest of "you" out there, stop bitching because all of you will be black for the rest of your black lives, so get used to it. And... that includes "you" purple black "ones" too. Maybe "we" should just paint the color of every door "paper bag" brown. Serenasailor, you're a borderline lunatic. | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 639 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Serena -- "She is not a black woman. She is not a white woman. She is biracial. The sooner black America understands and accepts this fact, the sooner black people - especially black women - will be able to create attainable standards of beauty for themselves that are healthy and affirming." [black America understands and accepts this fact] p.s., To my previous post in response to your thread, black America just doesn't get it. They want their cake and to eat it too. | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 640 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Sabiana -- "YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME" On time. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1460 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"My question is what should people like Halle Berry and Vanessa Williams do? Jump off a cliff, retire, fade away?? Do you think it is these women promoting themselves as the standard of beauty for black women........................" The only thing they can do is to continue to enjoy their lives and leave the pathetic jealous skin color crazed hyaena's to wallow in their own self hatred and deep rooted feelings of inferiority. There is nothing Halle Berry or Vanessa Williams can do to address the pathological obsession with the skin color frenzy of these sad but disturbed Negroes. The only defense they can offer for their illogical thinking and farcical racist antics is name calling and projection. That's it. Absolutely nothing else. If they had the fortitude and intelligence God gave a dog they would get a life and not concern themselves with the lives and skin color of people who have no impact whatsoever in their lives. But since that is not going to happen, they have to create psychological drama and never ending racist name calling theatrics. Just look at the title: "Why Halle Berry and Vanessa Williams are bad for Black women!!" How pitiful. The sonorous droning that goes on and on and on speaks for itself. E'nuff said... | ||
| Eastwest Regular Poster Username: Eastwest Post Number: 96 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Lighter skinned women are not going to disappear any time soon. All the hate in the world, is not going to stop black men from being, attracted to light skinned women.KEEP ON HATING BYTCHES. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 Veteran Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1462 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
"The problem is the average black American has no idea about their own family history. Many people can't tell you about family members earlier than their grandparents. They think their roots started in slavery, when the race mixing in this country began. I suggest everyone trace their family tree. You might be surprised who some of your relatives were." What do people benefit from knowing this? It won't change or effect the lives of most who have predominantly Black blood. | ||
| Robynmarie Regular Poster Username: Robynmarie Post Number: 260 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: N/A |
I think there are many "black Americans" that have some other ancestry (mostly Native American) in their gene pool. How many purely African Americans are there? I don't really believe in the one drop rule, but what makes someone bi-racial? Being light skinned? Do the research on your own family and find out (and take pride in) who you are. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 Veteran Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1464 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: |
I understand what you are saying, but being that I look Black and defintely am, I see no point in trying to connect with what little(very little) non black ancestry I have. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6526 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Well, Toubootie, all of your impassioned rantings went for naught. While I was sleeping peacefully in my bed, others came forth to reinforce my predictions and to deflate your irrational illusions, - just a sign of how unsuccessful the campaign to exterminate light-skinned women will be. tsk-tsk. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6527 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Seems as if Brownbootie is bragging about how disinterested she is in her deep roots. It figures. Shallowness has always been a trait of hers. | ||
| Enchanted Veteran Poster Username: Enchanted Post Number: 563 Registered: 11-2005 Rating: |
For the most part I agree with Cynique on this thread 100% but shes still an annoying WITCH and BrownBeauty you will have to get mature. RobynMarie thanks as always for making some crucial points but some of these people like "Toubouybie" are so full of hate they are blind and cannot see anything but their rage. I am familiar with these dark black woman fury because I am very dark and they say stuff to me assuming I would be "with it" and I just shake my head. Read CARTER WOODSON'S BOOK people because this DIVIDING US BY COLOR is exactly what our enemies have always done we have had high yellow babies since back in Africa OK but now all of a sudden we want to hate our own children. Yellow babies are black and they are our children just like the rest. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6530 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
You are the poster girl for annoyance, "enchantement", because you are a phony peripatic pest. | ||
| Enchanted Veteran Poster Username: Enchanted Post Number: 566 Registered: 11-2005 Rating: N/A |
peripatic pest!!!???? See thats why we love you Cynique. Only YOU could come up with these ones. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6532 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Too bad you don't have any redeeming characteristics we could find to love about you, "enchantment". yawn. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 Veteran Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1465 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: |
Perhaps, knowing your "deep roots" may have a bigger impact on your life than others. And yes, at times I can be VERY shallow, for instance your sagging jowels, & wrinked old neck is a plastic surgeon's dream to fix. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7524 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Can anyone reference to a credible, indepth study that objectively measures and then contrast the quality (e.g., health, life span, marriage, employment, wealth, educationi, etc.) of lives of lightskinned Black women to those darkskinned Black women (This, of course, presupposes some consensus could be reached upon what constitute lightskinned/darkskinned)? Given all the handwrinning and consternation over this issue, you'd think some real scholarly effort would be extended in determining the degree to which one's proximity to Whiteness influences one's life fortune. | ||
| Enchanted Veteran Poster Username: Enchanted Post Number: 572 Registered: 11-2005 Rating: N/A |
Dont ask Abm because actually quite a few have been written and they all back up the color argument. | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 3908 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Abm, are you kidding? How many scholarly links have I posted on this subject?? | ||
| Lola_ogunnaike Regular Poster Username: Lola_ogunnaike Post Number: 392 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
What shall we actually DO with these lightskinned wenches? How do we get rid of them? Put 'em in Concentration Camps? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7527 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Tonya, I don't recall reading anything that emphatically proves lightskinned Black women have better lives than darkskinned Black women. Sure there are MYRIAD articles that allude to such. And some appear credible. But I've yet to see any real hard evidence of real numbers and percentages tender in that endeavor. I guess I'm looking for something that includes and combined all of what summates to one's quality of life. Not just piecemeal elements of such. If you have something handy, please post it. Btw: I do think for the most part Whiter Black women in MANY respects have an easier go of things. But it would be nice to see an EMPHATIC, near irrefutable argument of such. Sorry. But that's sort of a guy thing. | ||
| Enchanted Veteran Poster Username: Enchanted Post Number: 575 Registered: 11-2005 Rating: |
Why does he have to open this can of worms when theres so much of this stuff already been posted!? But you see how he typically hates dark black women in favor of defending lighter women too Tonya you and Kola's "King" LMAOOOOOOOO!!! | ||
| Moonsigns Veteran Poster Username: Moonsigns Post Number: 1679 Registered: 07-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique: "If bi-racials are bad for black women, then so is freedom of choice." Moonsigns: And there we have it--nothing else needs to be "said"!!!!!!!! | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 176 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: |
"What shall we actually DO with these lightskinned wenches? How do we get rid of them? Put 'em in Concentration Camps?" Lola, That's a thought. Perhaps sterilization is a more humane approach to this redbone plague. Cynner, and all that time, you could have been suckin your husband off?... and instead you were thinking of ME all night long? You're good for nothing. I'm sure you checking this discussion board was your first "chore" when you levitated from your LAIR...to "suck off" your online collaborators...BEAST of burden. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6539 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Your wrenching hate for me is so obviously grounded in the idea that the truth hurts and you can't handle the truth, troubootie. I don't need any collaborators. Anybody with any amount of common sense can recognize that you are a pathetic evil loser on a treadmill going nowhere. Your sorry-assed mission will stall because jealous envious bitches like you and Lola Oink-oink are destined to fail. And you know why. LMAO. Now go find some new pictures and think up some new red bone references. It all rolls off my back, Queen Kong. I remain secure. You are no threat to me. Your cause is lost. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6540 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Well, brownbootie, you are yet another one fixated on my looks. A slut like you needs to concentrate on your own looks so won't have to be giving blow jobs to get favors from strangers. | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 178 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: |
Wow... I must have really gotten to you, Cynner. What a passionate diatribe. I don't hate YOU, that would mean I actually gave a fuck about you. I hate what you represent. Face it, I did your OLD ass a favor. At least now you now know the TRUTH, that MANY darkies can't stand what you represent. That's your fellow church members, your neighbors, and the like. They may not vocalize it, but they do feel it and silently curse you. But you knew that, right Cynner? You always felt 'different' around BLACKS, like you never were REALLY a part of the family, right? Which is why you seek validation from BLACK cultural discussion boards such as this. We all understand, it hurts to know that black people do not identify with your kind, nor do we want to. Here's the silver-lining: you only have a few more years around the track. tic toc... | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1466 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
""What shall we actually DO with these lightskinned wenches? How do we get rid of them? Put 'em in Concentration Camps?" That's a thought. Perhaps sterilization is a more humane approach to this redbone plague." Yeah..yeah...yeah!!! That's right! I agree 100%. In fact, we should get federal funding and create the Authentic Black American Woman Agency. Start an academy, train them, give them guns, badges and federal authority to arrest light complexioned black women on the spot. I say drag their genetically melanin compromised asses off buses, out of their cars, the streets, homes and from the outstretched arms of brain washed self-hating black men (they should be next)! They must be stopped -at all costs! Of course all the agents will have to be dark complexioned women with natural kinky Afros (more authentic thus more loyal). The darker they are, the more doors to advancement to senior regional and field agent positions should be open to them. The skin color of our race is at stake! So, we must petition for drastic measures to address a growing harrowing problem. That's what I think. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6543 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
That was no diatribe, dumb-dumb. That was a simple statement of fact. And save your psycho-babble for yourself. You're the one who has color issues. Oh, and did I mention that you are no threat to me. I remain secure. Your cause is lost. LMAO. | ||
| Lola_ogunnaike Regular Poster Username: Lola_ogunnaike Post Number: 393 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Ntfs, Connie Divers and Mizury are all trolls. Touboutie, BrownBeauty, Tonya, Abm: usually speak the truth. Mizury, are you a light skinned bed wench too? | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 2840 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
ToxicBitch - Envy, jealousy and hate kills, you carcinogenic motherfucker. And at the rate you're going you'll be dead soon. tic toc... | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 180 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
simple statement...huh? I wonder if Mzerk will bless you with virtual roses this week, you validation seeking redbone heifer. It's obvious. Many of us feel sorry for you, and you know it. "did I mention that you are no threat to me" Your posts are so paper thin, Cynner. You are so easy to read. Calm down. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 2841 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
LoSlut - The only troll around here is your oooogly dickbrained ass.  | ||
| Brownbeauty123 Veteran Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1467 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: |
Beauty tip to Cynqiue: Take a hair clip, and clasp it tightly behind your neck, it does wonders and will make you look 15 years younger. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6547 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Tip to Brownbootie. Shave your funky pubic hair, skank, then maybe you can score you a real boyfriend. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 2847 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Bootie gots to shave the twat!!!  | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6548 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ain't nobody losing their cool around here but you, toubootie. I can't help it if my confidence rattles yours. heh-heh. | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 186 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
You've conjured up your lesbo-pup, Mzerk... Yeah, you're rattled, Cynner. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6549 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
And ol Lola Oink-oink has slithered back on the board with her greasy-looking self. You're a disgrace to the NY Times, Lo-lo. If you had any sense you'd try to hide who you really are. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6550 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Just another example of how delued you are, Toubootie. You think that on a cyber board you can rattle somebody. You're so stupid and I don't know why I waste my time responding to you. You are the best reason in the world why you and your mission ain't going nowhere. | ||
| Toubobie Regular Poster Username: Toubobie Post Number: 187 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
I dare you to stop responding to me then, Cynner. See, you can't? I've rattled you. Now take your heart medication. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6554 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Gimme a high 5, Mzuri. We sent these degenerates back into their caves. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 Veteran Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1469 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: |
The score would be even if there was a cave we could send you to as well, that was supplied with a plastic surgeon and a sharp scalpel to fix those repulsive wrinkled folds on your neck. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 2850 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
 Hey Bootie, be careful while you're shaving, wouldn't want you to mutilate your twizzatt!!! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6558 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Phew! I know Brownbootie is back. Guess even the shaving didn't help because, damn, she stinks. But apparently those guys she picks up endure the odor since what they're getting is free; sloppy but free. ugh. | ||
| Doberman23 Veteran Poster Username: Doberman23 Post Number: 662 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
bow down and pay hammage to the light skindedededed sistaz you jealous mutha phukaz. hell yeah vanessa "the right stuff" williams and halle "fine ass" berry get much love from everybody because they are the shiznit. troy i remember when light skinned dudes used to get props just for being light skinned and nothing more (ha... i wish they still did so i could lolly gag in the mac department) but i don't remember the darker brothers dissing harry belafonte ... saying "oh...how come harry belafonte got that part instead of sidney portie?" ... i think the transition switched in the ealry 90's and now darker skinned bruthas get more attention than the darker ones... do you hear us bitchin' ... nope. you know why, because we don't give a phuck. there are more important black issues to worry about. by the way, all those stankin ass sistaz ya'll keep trying to compete with the halle's and vanessa williams can't compete so stop with the alec wek and the woman who played moesha's mom crap. you done reading... good now commence to hating!  | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7535 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Dobes, Harry NEVER got the parts that Poiter got. Not EVER. Probably because, ironically, Harry was NOT BLACK enuff. Though, Harry did okay for himself. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 Veteran Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1474 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: |
Doberman, the darkskin Black men used to hate on Al B Sure like a mauthafucka in the 80s. And they was bitter as hell because lightskin dudes used to get all the play. So stop lyin | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7537 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: |
BB123, I mostly hated on that Al B Sure cause that mofo couldn't sing. But okay. I'll admit there was a deep, dark part of me that wanted to beat the p*sscolor off of that gotdayam El DeBarge. Hahahahahaha!!! | ||
| Lola_ogunnaike Regular Poster Username: Lola_ogunnaike Post Number: 394 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Yeah, the darkskinned brothas DEFINITELY used to hate on the yellowskinned "pretty boys". You know this! | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7538 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Lola, It never wanted to be lightskinned. Sorry. But extra lightskindeded guys can look kinda soft. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 Veteran Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1477 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: |
ABM, now if you were a woman, making a negative remark about lighter skin women, then Doberman would enter this thread saying you are envious.. but I guess since you're a black dude you get a free pass. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7540 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
BB123, That's called Bruthaman Consideration. Don't hate. | ||
| Lola_ogunnaike Regular Poster Username: Lola_ogunnaike Post Number: 399 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Honestly, back in the day, I experienced nuff darkskinned black men who couldn't get a black girl most of the time. The black girls made fun of the guys who looked like Wesley Snipes. Many of those guys resented the lightskinned, wavy haired brothers and why wouldn't they? Just because dark skin is now in vogue for black men, don't front like that was always the case!!! | ||
| Doberman23 Veteran Poster Username: Doberman23 Post Number: 663 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
my brother and i used to be called salt "n" pepper by our family members, not because we enjoyed the song "push it" (even though it was a good song) but because i'm light like ice-t and he was dark like jordan. until my family members said anything we really didn't even bother noticing... all we knew is that we where the same damn race and more importantly he was my blood. abm: al b. sure's first tape was good, i don't know what your talking about dawg. i bet you where getting dry hump on to his songs back then and if you are way older than me ... then you where prolly getting your stab on for real. which brings the question to my next post... | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1471 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"bow down and pay hammage to the light skindedededed sistaz you jealous mutha phukaz. hell yeah vanessa "the right stuff" williams and halle "fine ass" berry get much love from everybody because they are the shiznit. troy i remember when....... you done reading... good now commence to hating!" I'm still laughing!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Well, Dobes, just for that, you can expect to be added to the hate list of the "authentic Negroes" sorority. LMAO some more......!!!! | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 641 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: |
Lola -- "Just because dark skin is now in vogue for black men, don't front like that was always the case!!!" And keep on wishing. | ||
| Lola_ogunnaike Regular Poster Username: Lola_ogunnaike Post Number: 401 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Lola -- "Just because dark skin is now in vogue for black men, don't front like that was always the case!!!" And keep on wishing Wishing? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7562 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Dobes, I NEVER dry (or wet) humped to Al B. Sure. And THAT you can truss-n-believe. | ||
| Lola_ogunnaike Regular Poster Username: Lola_ogunnaike Post Number: 409 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
It's like a plague of locusts, this plague of redbone bytches frontin' like they are black | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6589 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
And you, and your ilk are like a colony of maggots, Lola Oink-oink, feeding on the carcass of your dead dreams, dreams of being the exterminators instead of the exterminated. Spritz-spritz. Hope this RAID works before you turn into flies buzzing around the putrid garbage that nourishes you. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 289 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: |
Exactly, what does the imposter mean by "Black?" Who does the imposter have in mind when it speaks of "Black?" Keep in mind, this imposter is the thing that posted: The average American Negro is not worthy of being called an AFRICAN American. I think the words Nigger and Negro are more appropriate. When White Master says jump, you niggers do still ask him how high and then try to actually jump inside his anus. AND It makes my heart sad for you people. Whites HATE you and see you as LOWER than Africans. Yet you niggeridiots hate on Africans and even HATE ON EACH OTHER. You don't realize that whites stripped you off your original African culture for a reason - to make you confused and with no real home to go to. When will you learn? AND I am realizing just what wonderful people most Black Americans are. The vast majority of them seem to be extremely kind almost to the point of caring TOO much about others. It is easy to get caught up in the small minority of American Blacks who commit crimes or diss black women. But overall Black Americans are a beautiful, resilient, unbelievably creative people who have not only survived evil things but have actually thrived. So, yeah, a lot of Black Americans live in poverty, but spiritually and creatively they are so very rich. I'm actually almost in awe. It's painfully obvious that this Mudhutian fancies itself as being superior to Black Americans, so it needs to shut the fuck up and concern itself with the goings-on of its country and its people. I don't mind engaging in debates, even heated debates, with other AMERICANS about who is and isn't Black in this country. But when these muhfukin' treejumpers come to OUR country and turn their noses up at Black Americans and presume to tell US in OUR country who and what WE are, it sets me the fuck off! These fuckin' foreigners come to this country and benefit from every right, freedom, and privilege that Black AMERICANS marched, fought, and died for. Then they got the balls to look down on us! Them muhfukahs need to say, "Thank you," and act the way a GUEST is supposed to act. Enough! I'm sick of these mudhut, treejumpin, lion-chasin cocksuckers! ENOUGH! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6595 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Right on, Urban_Scribe! | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 132 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Urban_scribe you must admit that it's almost a rite of passage that every immigrant group looks down on black Americans. It's practically a requirement for being American. Africans are no different, right or wrong. I also think the condescension (sp)between black Americans and Africans is mutual. I'm sure you didn't have to spend much time coming up with the "mudhut, treejumpin, lion-chasin cocksuckers!" line. It was on the tip of your tongue because you probably have thought it all along. | ||
| Enchanted Veteran Poster Username: Enchanted Post Number: 614 Registered: 11-2005 Rating: N/A |
Urbanscribe what is a "tree jumper"? | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 290 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
Dahomeyahosi, You're right, every immigrant who comes to this country knows in order to gain favor with mainstream America, they must distance themselves from Black Americans. However, I expect this with the Irish, Italians, the French, etc, and, to a lesser degree, Latinos. The last people I expect this from is other BLACKS, i.e. West Indians and Africans. Shame on them! As for the line, unfortunately I've had to use it often, in public, face-to-face, up close and personal, whenever I encounter a native-born African with a funky attitude toward American Blacks. You should hear what I call West Indians and Latinos when they step out of line. Bottom line, every minority group and all people of color who come to America are riding on the coat tails of the accomplishments of Black Americans. Show some damn respect and appreciation. Truthfully, Dahomeyahosi, I like you. I don't know how you feel about me, but that's neither here nor there. You're one of few people I inadvertently overlooked when I compiled my list of favorite posters on this forum (on another thread). I read your posts, and look forward to doing so. Unlike some (most) of the other African natives on this forum, when you post, you point out the cultural and social differences between Africans and American Blacks, and they are significant. You point out that you have a preference for people who share your cultural and social background - that's honest and only natural, and ain't nothing wrong with that. You express your views clearly, concisely, and intelligently; and as far as I can tell, you don't resort to ad hominem and degrading American Blacks. You slip in a little jab here and there, but I find them clever rather than demeaning. Overall, you simply indicate that there are differences. This is true. I can't argue with that. However, you don't presume to dictate how American Blacks should think, behave, look, etc. Again, this is all as far as I can tell. (You remind me of my ex-husband, who is from Ghana. BTW, I know you're a woman, but I'm making a comparison based on the way you and he reason and approach the topics, not based on gender). Therefore, based on my observations of your posts, if I offended YOU, to YOU I will apologize. I did not have YOU in mind when I made my previous post. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 291 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
THE URBAN SCRIBE DICTIONARY FIRST EDITION tree|jump|er (trE jump’uhr) n. 1 a person, animal, or thing that jumps from trees 2 [Slang] a hostile and contemptuous term used to describe natives of Africa, indicative of their primitive inclination to climb and lounge about in trees, or to pluck fruit, nuts, or berries then jumping out of said tree | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7604 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
I think before Africans and African Americans can reach some consensus on whether and how we can peacefully, productively live and work together, we must first consider whether and how important it is to all of us to BE of African descent from a purely physiological and genealogical stand point. | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 134 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Urban_scribe that's the nicest thing I've heard all day. I am not here to disrespect anyone, just to learn. I admit that I am ethnocentric and to a degree I think every proud person is but I know that my culture is my own. It is not logical to try to impose one's cultural beliefs on another group of people though sometimes it is an excellent way to make them hate themselves and so that is what it is often used for. I acknowledge the struggles that black Americans have gone through and you are right that Africans have inherited a level of equality that we would not have if it were not for those struggles. Other minorities have as well although they will never acknowledge it. My husband has loved black women his whole life so his father made it a point to tell him, early on, never to marry one. My father-in-law came to this country from Japan but already had preconceived ideas about black Americans and he and his whole community truly despise black Americans. Unfortunately I found out that my husband justified our marriage by saying that I am African rather than black American. Every group of immigrants I know of shares this viewpoint to a large extent but they tend to be more honest about it than the average white American. I appreciate their honesty because I like to know who hates me and those who look like me before I spend money at their establishments. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 3804 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
What's very tragic about your last paragraph Dahomeyahosi (and very true)....is that the whole world of "cultural nations" has a stigma against SLAVES and those who are ex-slaves. And I don't that Black Americans have ever been in a situation to grasp that idea before. This is also why so many of them cannot fathom the idea of respecting blackness on its own---they cling to the one drop belief because it was forced on them as a reality in slavery. So rather than reject it--now that they're free--they cling to it AND to whiteness, because that is the only thing they know. Of course, I was raised by Black Americans so I can't possibly identify with you Dahomeyahosi as deeply I do them....after 30 years growing in their culture...and because my black skin causes my presence to not be questioned (as it would a white woman entering their culture)....I am in many ways THEM now. And of course I love them and would kill anyone who was against them. In California, there is enormous UNITY between the Black Americans and the Africans here, including--to my shock--the Ethiopians. Only the Somali people here refuse to be grouped with everyone else. But in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA there is a strong "shared blackness" between the Africans and the Black Americans. I think it's because these are mostly 2nd and 3rd generation Africans out here and of course they spend an ENORMOUS amount of time trying to PASS as "Black Americans", which could be why they get along so well. The Africans are much more successful and rich however out here---but they do hire Black Americans and won't hire whites/latinos unless there is no A or AA to hire. ESPECIALLY the African women and AA women are close out here. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7626 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Dahomeyahosi: "Unfortunately I found out that my husband justified our marriage by saying that I am African rather than black American. Every group of immigrants I know of shares this viewpoint to a large extent but they tend to be more honest about it than the average white American." I REALLY appreciate your sharing that. Because then you should understand the source of much of the disdain many African Americans have for ALL immigrants. Regardless of the color, race and nationality of those who come here, OUR experiences with you have a very FAMILIAR ring to them. Honestly. To US, it seems most foks who come here appear to become de facto racist Whites. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7627 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
There's no land, no culture or history for us to cling and return to that's inherent to some dream of of pure Blackness. It's not as if we all bred ourselves into looking like Djimon Hounsou we're going to be magically transported to some pre-enslaved African Nirvana. We will STILL be the descendants of Slavery and ALL the ravages and havoc that ensued from such. I think the biggest issue with letting go of the one drop rule and embracing Black is that many see NO tangible benefit of such. Why are the 2nd and 3rd generation Africans in Souther CA much friendlier to African Americans than they are to others? Why, given the hell AA's catch, would they want to appear more African American? | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 3808 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
ABM, you're right and I wasn't trying to insult. What I'm saying is that every "group" has an inate SYSTEM OF STANDARDS. White people are "racist" because it's NATURAL for powerful people to be that way...Africans even admire this in them, whereas AAs after being freed from slavery did not...as you say...create a CONSTITUTION identifying what they would now be. I'm not judging them for clinging to their slave beliefs and to Whiteness as their standard---I'm simply remarking as an outsider that this is their PREDOMINATE identifying trait. AAs are MOSTLY not aware that they don't have a "system of standards"---as a Japanese family and a Ghanian family would compare on meeting. ----sort of like why that guy created "KWANZA", so that you would now have something that is representative of YOUR MAKE UP. And now you see other Africans dipping in and saying, "the black Americans" came up with this, isn't it wonderful? Because it's a holiday and idea that UNIFIES all black people (I see more Africans embracing Kwanza than BAs !!)---but it's still YOURS. Another problem, ABM...is that the AFRICAN is the biological parent of the Black America. That means they are going to be arrogant in their appraisal of THEIR CHILD and where they see no set of standards---they are going to try and IMPOSE theirs, because this is natural. It's not to put down or be mean, they believe that this is showing love by saying---"you're supposed to talk like us now". Why are the 2nd and 3rd generation Africans in Souther CA much friendlier to African Americans than they are to others? Why, given the hell AA's catch, would they want to appear more African American? Because once Africans GET TO KNOW AAs from being in such close proximity---they discover how much they really do like them. Also with any 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, they are not holding tightly to their own cultural and historical roots (notice how I, a 1st generation adoptee am CHRONICALLY Pro-African, because I am like a fish out of water and my reaction is to grab my own robe)....but people from Africa BORN HERE feel more at home and feel less tied to the "old ways". They also realize that these are their flesh and blood--the AAs, it becomes REAL once you're actually in someone's presence for a very long time. AAs are also recognized as "coolness" personified, so other blacks want to be cool as well. They don't COPY EVERYTHING about AAs---but to be "AMERICAN", they must be "BLACK AMERICAN". And MOST AAs have curiosity about Africans, and once they go up and introduce themselves, it's something that just happens---NEGRITUDE takes over---and before you know it, these people find that they see things the same way (although Africans will be less critical of the racist system, because they don't see it as wrong to lord over alien tribes). The African is always thinking: How can we blacks overthrow the whites? Black Americans are always thinking: How can we attain equality and treated fairly by our former owners? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7638 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola, Thanks! That was so nicely done I think I may have to digest it some before I can tender a decent response. BRAVO!!! Btw: I found NOTHING within what you previously wrote insulting. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7639 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola, I will say, though, there is MUCH confusion amongst African Americans about what we should think, live and be. And I believe much of that stems from and manifest in whether and how physiologically BLACK we are. And this is compounded via the darker Black man being prized while the lighter Black woman is prized. But I'll say, again, until we're made to perceive some tangible benefit from looking BLACK, equivocations over such that result one-drop rule will continue. I agree there is something about having a certain degree of shared Blackness that can transcend the divides of culture, geography and even time. It's a pity we scions of Africa do so LITTLE to effectively utilize our inate kinship. My sister-in-law is currently dating a what appears to be fine young man who's parents are from Ghana. Culturally, he is most every way American. But physically he's ALL African. For some reason I can't help rooting for their relationship (I never much paid attention to whom she previously dated.). And I think my wife and her kin have a very similar thing going on. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6609 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
In spite of all the travails ex-slaves have had to endure in this country, their experiences have evolved into a unique culture, one that is rich in many positive contributions to the greater society. It's an insult to have this dismissed as being bogus. Ex-slaves are not retreaded-Africans, they are a new breed. Their diverse blood lines distinguish them and their shared heritage bonds them. It bears repeating that in this country blackness is a state of mind. Screw Africa. What has it done for us lately except send a bunch of smug carpetbaggers over here to reap the fruits of our labor. | ||
| Lola_ogunnaike Regular Poster Username: Lola_ogunnaike Post Number: 437 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: |
Connie, you are soooooooooooooo resentful of us Africans. You silly yellow bitch. I want Kola to wield a big sword and cut you in half. | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 135 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Kola I'm glad you have found kinship with black Americans. It's imperative for a child's well-being that she feel at home with the group of people she finds herself surrounded by. I wish I could have found the same but I was usually taunted by them for being dark or for my accent. I feel much more comfortable around other African and Asian immigrants. I live in New York and I don't see very much unity amongst recent immigrants and the black Americans but there is significant mixing between the children of the immigrants and black Americans as well as Haitians and West Indians. How big would you estimate the African population in your part of California, percentage-wise? | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 136 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Abm people who come here are usually either economic or political refugees. The economic ones tend to do as urban_scribe said: do whatever it takes to blend into the American mainstream so that they can have their piece of the pie. Looking down on black Americans is an All-American past-time. I must say, however, that one thing that all blacks seem to have in common(in general but certainly not in particular) is self-hate and I fully understand having no respect for a group of people who have no respect for themselves. I can understand the anti-black mindset in some ways given this fact. And this applies to Africans, West Indians, and all the rest of us who keep the skin bleaching industry going. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7698 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Dahomeyahosi, If it is true we Black all hate ourselves then it seems so odd that we quibble over the minutiae of culture, politics, religion and the like. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 3845 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
We all hate ourselves because we all come from a similar cultural background that is based FIRST on our blackness, and that blackness, like all blackness, comes from being Africans. Any and all whose skin is BLACK...are automatically bound forever. The argument rests with whether they like it or not. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7700 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola: "We all hate ourselves because we all come from a similar cultural background that is based FIRST on our blackness, and that blackness, like all blackness, comes from being Africans... Any and all whose skin is BLACK...are...automatically bound forever. " Which takes me back to what I said before on this thread (posted Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 10:48): "I think before Africans and African Americans can reach some consensus on whether and how we can peacefully, productively live and work together, we must first consider whether and how important it is to all of us to BE of African descent from a purely physiological and genealogical stand point." | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 141 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Abm, Self-hatred is essentially the only thing I see that all black populations have in common. Honestly, my personal experiences have led me to believe that those most likely of escaping this self-hatred are those who cling to the ancient spiritualities that we developed. It's easy to hate yourself when you hate your ancestors and view them as vile. Because traditional West African spiritualities are so ancestor-based turning away from them was the first step towards turning towards self-hate, especially because Islam and Christian missionaries made such a point of devaluing our own practices. So to use the word quibble when it comes to religion is not appropriate. To be African is to have possession of a spirit so profound that others just look at us and wonder about the depth of the soul that gave birth to that spiritual power. They can not fathom the spirit or the soul because they are incapable of it just as they are largely incapable of the simple task of keeping a beat. We were the first to emerge from the earth so we know her rhythms better than anyone. Our ancestors passed such amazing wisdom to us but cultures can disappear in a generation and disappear it has. West African spiritualities change like anything but I believe that there are certain elements that must be remain for us to be sane, loving people. I know Dahomey/Benin is a special place because we continue to cling to the gifts our ancestors gave us. We haven't given up on ourselves as readily as our neighbors. I acknowledge that our neighbors have blended the spiritualities together to an extent because they really can't discard something that has lived thousands of years in a heartbeat but it is dying. It's dying a bit more every day. And I am digressing a bit more with every word so let me say that what I have tried to do in the U.S. is to invite interested black Americans to take a look at what has been lost spiritually. And some have looked but extremely few are interested. Most of those who are interested don't look anything like me. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 3879 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Now Dahomeyahosi, I agree with you 100% on that entire post. It's not only true, but heartbreaking. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1704 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Dahomeyahosi, that is very interesting what you say about your Japanese husband and in-laws. I dated a Japanese guy once and the reason he liked me was because he thought I "acted" and seemed more African than my looks (from the friends I had and the foods I ate and other things). He had dated African women before (and had even lived in Africa), but before me, never an African American. I've noticed also here in Atlanta, I've seen quite a few Koreans with African girlfriends, but never one with an African American girlfriend. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 3886 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
I LOVE "Korean" men. In fact, those are the only Asian men (and maybe an occasional Filipino) that I seem to really have chemistry with. I have NEVER, however, had a Korean boyfriend or even dated one. But I do know a few and there's a huge "KOREA TOWN" out here---in fact, there's several KOREA TOWNS out here. Korean men are the most HANDSOME of the Asians, a lot of them are tall, and they have these "dark ones" who are brown and so sexy. There's one at my bank who we've flirted for a few years now, but I just can't get with it. But at this bank--all the workers are Korean and I really love the men. The women are nice too. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1705 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
There are some "brown" Japanese also. One that I met was darker than I am, and other than for his hair could probably have passed for a black American. I don't know if it's a gene that runs here and there through them all, or only through particular lineages. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 3888 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
They originated from Africa, Renata just like the people of INDIA did. If you go Thailand, Cambodia, South Korea and Mongolia---you will see FULLY BLACK Asians with nappy hair and all. Asians are usually racist against blacks, though. Overwhelmingly so. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1707 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
One interesting thing, colorism related: A really popular nickname for girls in Japan? Yuki. Meaning? Snow colored. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1708 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Well, Kola...what I personally have noticed is that the DARKER West Asians are very racist against blacks....the lighter skinned ones are the ones I tend to see with Black women. The darker ones tend to want white women. One guy I knew (not a friend, I abhorred his prissy bitch ass) refused to date a "loud, fat" black woman. However, he didn't mind his two (now ex) wives who were louder than 10 black women together could ever be. His second wife was well over 250 pounds. I don't know how much his first wife was before they married, but when I met her she was over 300 pounds and had already LOST weight due to some stomach stapling procedure because she was too fat to get pregnant. And I kid you not, this guy would probably blend in Africa more than most African Americans would. BTW, they both dumped him and all he went back to Bangladesh with was the suitcase he came over with. His first wife wouldn't even give him his car (that he paid for) when they divorced. His second wife keeps calling me bitching because she thinks I may know where he lives (he owes back child support). LOL..... perhaps he did black women a favor? | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 3889 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Renata, I'm not counting those Asians who come AMONG BLACK PEOPLE. Those few are really not the Asian People, they're freaks (as their people would consider them). I'm talking about the MILLIONS, the MASSES of ASIANS who refer to blacks as "number ten" and would never step foot in the black world. 99% of ASIAN men would never marry a Black woman. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1710 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Yeah, that's about true. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7736 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Dahomeyahosi, I agree with you to a point about honoring and maitaining one's culture. However, the world as it is currently constructed requires that we evolve to survive and prosper. We either change or we become a fading relic of some bygone past. To me, the issue is more complex than you illustrate. Because I believe we all are struggling to define what of our ancestry we should and should not hold on to. Because if we strictly held on to ALL of our customs and philosophies, it's very DOUBTFUL you would have an Asian husband. Yes? PS: Yes. We may have once been fed by an abounding crop. But if the land can no longer produce a sufficient yield, we must venture to another field. ---ABM | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1712 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
ABM, I don't completely agree that that should happen. The world is changing, unfortunately to a more Eurocentric view WORLDWIDE. So there is a portion of the world who don't feel the need to change at all, but change the rest of the world to fit themselves. The issue now is whether people feel like fighting for their own heritage, or just falling into the Eurocentric one. And I can certainly understand why Dahomeyahosi would find it difficult to find a black man in America to marry. I've had many black men interested in me when they THOUGHT I may be mulatto.....and you should see the look of disappointment on them when I tell them I'm not (good riddance). I couldn't well imagine these same guys being interested in an OBVIOUSLY non-mixed girl. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7785 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Renata, I agree there is a decidely Eurocentric tone to direction in which the world is changing. And I'll say largely BECAUSE of that everyone else is FORCED to reconsider on what they should and should not continue to stand on. Look. Foks can complain all we want to about what White foks do. But if they won't organize and educate themselves to DEFEND what we have and are, then all else will be for naught. You know, 100's of Black women get married everyday in this country. And the MAJORITY of them do NOT look mixed or mulatto. | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 146 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Kola, I think Cambodians are the most handsome Asians but Koreans look nice too. Why don't you "see" yourself with that guy? Not even a chance? | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 147 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Abm, Customs and philosophies change all the time but we can't allow them to change to the degree that we no longer recognize ourselves in what we're doing. And they certainly can't be allowed to change to the degree that we hate ourselves at the end of the changes. The problem is that we haven't been the changers, we've simply been changed. We have been the objects of someone else's agenda whether they are the Fulanis who came to impose Islam or the Western Europeans who came to impose Christianity. Yes you're right I don't hold on to all of my (my ancestors) customs and philosophies but I think I adhere to most of the ones I know. If I did adhere to all of them my parents would've picked my husband and they certainly tried but I ruined their plans because they could not find a man who did not want children. In my family women are first and foremost seen as mothers or future mothers but I am unwilling. That is my biggest breach to custom. The most important custom for me before I could get married was that my marriage mean that my families "married" just as they would at home because if marriages begin without families' blessing I think they are bound to fail. So we had many meetings as a big family before our weddings. We had serious "negotiations." My husband has adopted more of my beliefs than any man I have ever been with. He even has his own ancestor altar. It has been him who has largely made the changes to allow our relationship to exist. I couldn't be with him otherwise. | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 148 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Renata, You are correct in your assumption. Black American men have never approached me and I do not exaggerate with the word never. I will not assume that it is my skin color because I know many black women with black American men but I wish I knew what it was. On the other hand white men seem driven to me like magnets and I sincerely wish they would go away! | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 3986 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Dahomeyahosi, He's really cute, TALLER than me (!) and he's asked me on a date about once every year and it's been about five years. I almost went with him one time to lunch, but then something happened and I had to leave. My fear is that my "prejudice" will cause me to hurt him---therefore making him see ME and stop liking me. It's almost as though I'd rather him just think of me as the "image" he's crafted. He doesn't know who I am or how I make money---he thinks (assumed) that I'm a divorced housewife who had a wealthy husband. He thinks I'm beautiful and SO nice---which I am, but I'm also notoriously loyal to Black men and I can only really see myself happy with a Black man (a conscious one). But it is nice seeing him once a week and we can never contain our smiles. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 3987 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
Dahomeyahosi: Black American men have never approached me and I do not exaggerate with the word never. I will not assume that it is my skin color because I know many black women with black American men but I wish I knew what it was. Kola: God is not the author of confusion. And so...they couldn't come. | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 152 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Kola, What prejudice do you speak of that could make you hurt him. Are you speaking of your preference for men who don't look like him? It's generally assumed that black women prefer black men. That hasn't stopped him from trying. Part of getting to know someone is letting your facade fall away and hoping that the other person still likes what they see. And vice versa of course. You decide how much you allow him to know. I love black men too and I've had a great time with Haitians in particular but you never know who you can have a good time with until you try. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4006 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
I'm old and tired now, Dahomeyahosi--and the BULK of my life's work is just beginning. I just want to find what I WANT and have one last taste of that. To be honest, I've been suffering from this strangeness where...it's like I'm frigid. I just don't even want men except for sudden unplanned times (sexually longing) and there's no one there at that moment, so the moment passes. I'm not lesbian or anything, I just feel NOTHINGNESS but passion for my work and children. I only want men to flirt with me, for the sake of ego and once they do (flirt with me, ask for number, etc.)...I go back to being obsessed with my work, content that somebody asked. I feel AGE coming on and I'm too vain not to fight it. That's what I'm storing up energy for--to fight it. I can't stand it! | ||
| Tropical_storm Regular Poster Username: Tropical_storm Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
I don't mind engaging in debates, even heated debates, with other AMERICANS about who is and isn't Black in this country. But when these muhfukin' treejumpers come to OUR country and turn their noses up at Black Americans and presume to tell US in OUR country who and what WE are, it sets me the •••• off! ************************************************* Lola has posted that she was born in America, so you ARE debating with another American. It’s YOUR country, but your people are completely POWERLESS to prevent people you detest so much from coming here. That’s pitiful. This country belongs as much to Nigerians, Ethiopians, Koreans, Mexicans, etc. as it does to Blacks. Get over it! What a shame for your people that these “mudhut, treejumpin, lion-chasin cocksuckers” are coming to YOUR country and within ONE generation have produced a Presidential hopeful that your people are so pressed to have lead them. Just pitiful. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1576 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
tropical_storm: Aren't nigerians black? or do you mean black as in "black American" or African American? Also, is Barack Obama African or African American....or a person of color, considering that he was grown of with neither African Americans or Africans. At what point do you claim a person African, especially when he clearly isn't culturally African? | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1715 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Barack Obama is an American. He was born in America of an American. Black Americans of ALL people (who have NO IDEA where they come from) have too much audacity to ••••• about what country other Black people come from....yet will accept white people just as American and not give a damn whether they were from Germany, Italy, England, or Scotland. People want to not accept him because his father is from Kenya. Were George Bush's or Clinton's family from Nigeria or Ghana? No, but because of their skin color, no one cares and just call them AMERICAN. What countries were the families of any of the past presidents from? NO ONE EVER GAVE A DAMN ENOUGH TO EVEN ASK OR BE CURIOUS ABOUT IT. It NEVER mattered before what countries any past leader may have descended from. So shut the •••• up about it now. | ||
| Tropical_storm Regular Poster Username: Tropical_storm Post Number: 90 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
Obama is Half white, half kenyan. He is absolutely NOT African! Just half! No self-respecting African would claim Obama as anything but the half African, half white person he is. The point is that this "person" and others here continue to make the claim that Africans are somehow some inherently subhuman “mudhut, treejumpin, lion-chasin cocksuckers.” They are going far beyond culture. In that sense if the child of a subhuman and a white human is your leader then what does that say about you? These “mudhut, treejumpin, lion-chasin cocksuckers” are being accepted into American Ivy league universities at higher rates than Blacks. What does that say about Blacks? I claim a person with two African parents to be African regardless of whether or not they are culturally African. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1716 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Auto censoring software. CUTE! | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1578 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
renata: to whom are you speaking? tropical_storm: well, if Obama is not "african" then this statement: "'What a shame for your people that these 'mudhut, treejumpin, lion-chasin cocksuckers' are coming to YOUR country and within ONE generation have produced a Presidential hopeful that your people are so pressed to have lead them. Just pitiful," by your own admittance is just false, correct? So, I suspect, that since you keep differentiating Africans from blacks, by black you mean "black Americans"? You state: These “mudhut, treejumpin, lion-chasin cocksuckers” are being accepted into American Ivy league universities at higher rates than Blacks. What does that say about Blacks? Here's what I think. And, by the way, I am not one who would ever call an African, a "subhuman “mudhut, treejumpin, lion-chasin cocksuckers." I will try, on the other hand, to seriously consider your question with some kind of thoughtful and intellecutal responsibility: This phenomena is also the case in England, by the way. Just so you know, this was also the case made about West Indians too! That is, their admittance into more elite colleges in universities. But after several generations, and studies that account for socio-economic class of migrants on arrival, length in the U.S., etc...it found that there was very little differnce between the groups, that is African Americans and W. Indians. What generally happens is the skilled, educated, and professional migrate first, and then the poorer folk migrate and eventually integrate at the same levels of the masses of black students. What happens, in other words, the class component loses its relevance because as the immigrant black population increases, its poor and working class population of course increases, and the limitations that African Americans encounter become the same obtacles that immigrant blacks encounter because of their race and class...Africans have not been here long enough for researchers to determine is this will be true with the ever increasing population of poor and working class Africans. Also, W. Indians came to this country when Jim and Jane Crow were dying down. While Africans have arrived when the most overt vestiges of racism and segregation are invisible. Thus, class and skills on arrival are factors, as well as the racial atmosphere...when compared with generations of poverty among blacks and less w/W. Indians, Africans are arriving here in better conditions. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1719 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
LOL....I should have separated that. The first sentence is a response to your post directly above mine. The rest of it is just a rant I have about the entire subject, not necessarily responding to you. Sorry if I seemed to be bitching you out or something. I wasn't. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1580 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
this is an interesting conversations. I would respectfully disagree w/Kola when she says that African Americans do not have a system of standards. If we look at African Americans as a nation withing a nation, and then look at this nation, and identify several states within this larger nation, and then within these states, we can identify a variety of tribes, and when these tribes we can see variety in class, color, and education, and culture in general. And within all of this you will finds various "systems of standards." Kwanzaa is a good examine, but a better examine is the church. If you are look for a system of standard that is articulate within an African language this will be difficult, but if you consider we are African Americans, you will look at Christianity and the black church, and within in it you will see standards, practices, rituals, language, etc...that is entirely African-American not european not some pure unmediated version of Christina worship because an European front, with an Africanized soul. It is not African, it is not white, it is African American....like all culture, yes all culture, African American culture is an amalgamation of many, and as you go around the country, you will see differences within African American culture...the blues, jazz, hip hop, etc... are different as you go from state to state... WHY? slaves, as we know, came mainly from W. Africa, but especially from the Bight of Biafra and the W. Central Africa, so there was a considerable range of african ethnicities; simiarly, the crops, that is sugar, cotton, etc...determine size of farms or plantations and the organization of labor..., in addition, the ethnicity of white people, class, etc...as well as the diversity within the native American population also played a factor in the character of black diversity, but at the end of the day, these difference were insufficient to exclude them from being racialized as black, and within these differences, the black church because the unifying force, uplift institutions, reading groups, burial societies, etc...even the oft criticized black fraternities and sororities...you can get caught up on the Greek Letters if you want, but stepping aint got nothing to do with the Greeks, the polyrhythmns found in black music, as well as stepping, again point to Africa..... | ||
| Tropical_storm Regular Poster Username: Tropical_storm Post Number: 91 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
tropical_storm: well, if Obama is not "african" then this statement: "'What a shame for your people that these 'mudhut, treejumpin, lion-chasin cocksuckers' are coming to YOUR country and within ONE generation have produced a Presidential hopeful that your people are so pressed to have lead them. Just pitiful," by your own admittance is just false, correct? ************************************************** Incorrect. When one is basically labeling a group of people as a lower species then whether or not Obama is culturally African is irrelevant. Your response about obstacles Blacks face due to race is typical. I guess you also have an excuse for why Asians also continue to outperform Blacks academically. Your theory will come true not as a result of racism but as a result of future generations developing a defeatist, woe is me attitude. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7830 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Dahomeyahosi, Ultimately, a people's ability to maintain it's customs and culture will be a function of their ability to DEFEND them. If others are stronger, more agressive, eventually you will be made to some - if not ALL - of who and what you are. Black foks spend A LOT of time squabbling about what others force us to do while we do not spend enuff time pondering why we are not able to STOP them. I am happy for you that you, your husband and your families manage to effectively blend your customs. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1582 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
tropical_storm: but if one is NOT labeling a group of people as a lower species then it is relevant, is it not. In other words, I am not participating in a form of chavinism that you adversary embraces. I am also not unwilling to be critical of blacks, as you call us. Whether what I said is typical or not is irrelevant. The question is, does it make sense, does it have validity, is it reasonable. In general, Asians are not shot 50 times, or sodomized, or shot while reaching for their wallets the way an African, w.indian, or a black person would be. This vertiable fact, makes a comparison between blacks [of any ethnicity or nationality] w/Asians a comparison between apples and oranges. The comparison can be made, but with a kind of nuance to which many are unwilling to commit. I hope that my theory does not come true. If it does means that in general black people[africans, w.indians, and 'blacks'] are still divided and are unable to make a dent in global and US racism. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4023 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: N/A |
ABM, you're so kind. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7834 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Kola, Thanks. I try hard. |
