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Doberman23
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 12:46 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The latest "King" issue features Toccara from a tv show on vh1 and i guess she was on a model show too. (if it's not sports, comedy central, or news related i don't really watch it). Anyways, I think shes fat... however my bother and his wife keep saying she's curvy, big boned, thick, and all these other little ways of not calling someone fat when they really are. I lived in Texas for about 3 years and had this debate with some of my army buddies ... what the hell is the difference between fat and thick ... if there is a line, it surely has to be a fine one.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 12:59 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think if the dimensions of a chick's waistline are decidedly smaller than those of her breastesses and arse, she's probably thick, even if she's kinda heavy (I'm thinking 180 - 200 lbs max, depending on how tall she is).

But if her tits, waist and a$$ are all flowing together like a big ol' mess a goo and she's clocking in at +225 lbs, she's probably fat.

I remember not being particularly impress by Tocarra when she appeared on Tyra Bank's America's Next Top Model. But I definitely achieved wood when I saw her on the King magazine cover (I would bought that sucker. But I had my 10 year old with me, and she sure as HELL wouldah ratted me out to my wife.).

I'm telling you. The shyt mofo's can do with make-up, lighting, photo touch ups and shyt is akin to that kinda Dark Magic that Frodo and nem were complaining about in the Lord of the Rings!
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 01:09 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yeah somebody got busy with photoshop and she still looks fat to me. i used to do the online thing and girls would be lieing their asses off about how there bodies should be classified, for example i met this one girl who said she was athletic/fit ...i'm thinking body like flo-joe or angela bassett, mannnnn when i saw her she was fat! same thing when those girls said they where average, that was even worse ... i finally got smart and hollered at my little ethiopean princess ... but i know one thing, if a woman weighs 160+ and she's not pregnant or 6ft ...she's over weight!
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 01:18 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dobes,

As I read your opinions about what constitute thick/fat, I can't help being tempted to tell a couple of jokes recommending you date White women. But, fuhk, I've still got too much life left to live.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:02 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The shyt mofo's can do with make-up, lighting, photo touch ups and shyt is akin


You know ABM, this can go in the reverse as well.

There was a video made of me speaking at an event that someone took and digitally altered to make me look really unattractive. They sent it around to people in their quest to gross people out.

It wasn't funny--but it made me look better when people really did see me in person.

But on the other hand, you're right. Here's a good example:

The Real Kola


TOUCHED UP Kola




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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:07 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The only difference I see is darkness around your eyes (which can be handled with a little make-up).

I mean. You still look like you to me in either of the photos. And the doublerackpack is still there. So, really, it still all good.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:12 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ditto Abm. I think kola sees herself differently than other people do.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:15 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was recently FAT you know.




This is from last Nov/Dec
when you were gone.

I had miscarried a baby back
in the fall. But for the first
time in my life....the pregnancy
"pounds" STAYED.

I couldn't shake them.

That's why I'm not on tour.

I couldn't bare for people to see
me out of shape and dumpy. I'm just
not used to it.

I've been a size 4 most of my life,
then a size 6 to 8 the last 4 years.

So now I'm SUFFERING...on a daily
regiment to get back in shape.

And I was "FAT" when I went on my
last tour--the one you saw. So I
can't go out like that again.

I have to really get my body back,
because I get depressed if I don't look
good to myself.

SEVERLY depressed.

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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:16 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya......thank you so much! :-)


It's the HATE MAIL emails I get all day
every day.

When you're a female---90% of HATE MAIL
makes mention of your looks.

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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:23 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,

Well, babe. That's why GOD creatE Nautilus, Nutrasystem and Liposuction.

Hey. If a woman's looks really mean that much to her and she's got the motivation, cash and courage, there really no reason for to NOT be able to attract at least SOME men.

So keep on keeping on, Killer. I'm sure you'll be fine. And FOINE.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:25 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,

But, hey, the hate mail comes with the territory, babe.

Hell. I'm sure Halle Berry and Angelina Jolie get PLENTY of mail that tells them how ugly they are.

*shrugs*
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:29 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm:

Well, babe. That's why GOD creatE Nautilus, Nutrasystem and Liposuction.

Tonya:

Don't forget treadmills!!

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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:31 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I can't stand the treadmill.

I walk 5 miles a night.

I love to walk and especially at night with a dog and a gun.






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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:35 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,

Here's what you do: Pick the image of the man whom you would (under the right set of circumstances, of course) most like to be able to woo into trying to bone you, get a lifesize picture/poster of him and place that sucker right in the FRONT of your treadmill.

If THAT won't help boost your tolerance of a treadmill, it's unlikely anything else will.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:37 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola: "I love to walk and especially at night with a dog and a gun."


Hmmmmmm? Kinky.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:40 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You're so crazy boy.


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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:46 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know. I'm sorry. When ever I think about a woman walking around alone with a dog in the dark while packing heat, my mind can't help but descend into wierd dyckrapin' scenarios.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:50 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOL!

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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 08:39 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola:
"I love to walk and especially at night with a dog and a gun."

Me too. I prefer to walk with combat knifes though. ;D

Dont fret about the preggers weight. Remember, You're not Elizabeth "Hurl"-ey.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 08:41 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I wonder if she uses hand puppets for all of her characters. There are about three of them missing. Most be really hard once she get's all of them talking to one another.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 09:20 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There's something creepy about Amazons walking around at night with dogs and guns and knives. But it figures...
Oh yes, now where was I? Let's see, to me, thick women are solid and curvacious, while fat women are flabby and shapeless.

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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 10:10 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mrs_hart,

If you're inferring that I might be one of Kola's characters, I'm going to recommend that you have your antipsychotic prescriptions refilled.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 01:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think I'm fat. I've tried going for really long periods and eat a lot less/skip a meal, but I'm hypoglycemic and I get really sick. I've passed out a couple of times just from skipping breakfast. I'm 200 pounds, and have a big butt, and big breasts (huge is more like it), but I have a really tiny waist and other features. (I usually have to wear an elastic waistband because my waist is so much smaller than my butt, that clothes that cover my butt are too big for my waist).

Of my entire weight, I would say 125 is all butt and breasts. I remember dieting when I was 19, and I got down to 92 pounds. Then I had to be hospitalized for it (because I lost it all in about 4 months), and went up to 170. I'm going to lose it again, but I'm more careful now. Exercise isn't doing ANYTHING for me. If I get a really serious breast reduction and a butt liposuction, that alone would probably put me at a good 150.

I'm glad I married who I did. He HATES model-y types and says they look like men with women's heads attached. As he says when I look through fashion magazines, "If she doesn't have big boobs and butt, and she's not naked, how can you really be sure she's a woman?"

I don't even buy products containing flour or sugar. I'm going to give up potatoes and rice and dairy, too. I'm taking Chromium, which helps with blood sugar issues, so I may start dieting again.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 01:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have the classic "Coke Bottle" shape.....but with too much above and below.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 01:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LMAO!!! :-)

Kola forgive me, but that fat picture just cracks me up. The look on your face! I been bawl'n so hard I'm crying.

Renata, you need a diet. I thought you're like 4 foot 8 right? And then 200 pounds? That's a lot of caboose sista.

How much does the fact that you're married and GOT A MAN play into it?

I notice some men like their women kinda plump to keep other men from snooping around.





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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 01:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

lol... if your fat and excersizing then your not excersizing right, either that or your stuffing twinkies down your throat whilst working out. i think you all pretty much answered my question, there really isn't a difference between fat and thick. that girl toccora said that she would like to get with a nba player, but they only like skinny girls ... what a dumb ass comment, i only have one friend that has a woman bigger than him and he ain't happy. a millionaire baller would not get down like that if a regular dude wont ... only some of the cats i knew in the army stood for that, but who really cares when your cheating as much as they did.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doberman23, you are a verrry insensitve cat; and you are really starting to piss me the fuck off. Really.

Reneta, consult a doctor before your next diet. Please.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tocarra is definitely a "big girl", however, she isn't sloppy. That is why I wouldn't consider her "fat". However, I do think she is the type of woman that could swing in either direction rather quickly. If she didn't follow a healthy eating plan for as little as a month or exercise, she'd look swollen real quick. On the other hand, if she stepped up her program for a month, she'd proably have amazing results in both the shape and tone of her body. She'd look ever better than she does now. She also has a nice face that doesn't look fat (some thick people have very fat faces), and she has very clear skin--which is appealing.

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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:15 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Renata,

Have you ever had your thyroid tested? Also, if you over-exercise and are skipping meals, you could be suffering from adrenal-burnout/fatigue, and adrenal-burnout/fatigue will prevent you from losing weight. You will notice a dramatic difference in your body when you stop consuming flour and sugar--especially your energy levels.

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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:24 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why did I have the impression that Renata with her exploding Afro was petite??? I guess when she started talking about pursuing an acting career, even being promised a part by Kola in her next movie. This gets curiouser and curiouser. Is it time for me confess that I am really just 52 years old.....
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I wish I knew how to post pictures. I did a google search for Toccara and y'all are tripp'n.

She doesn't even come close to being fat.. not the way "fat" is defined by African-Americans -- mm, let me rephrase that -- not the way "fat" is defined by brothas and sistas.

This sister is a classic Marilyn Monroe (sp).
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:44 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOL, PBG, I know I need to diet, I just need to find one that won't kill me!

I've gotten down to 92 pounds and had to be hospitalized for 4 days. The other two times, once I was dieting and had to be put on something for mineral depletion for a week. The second time I was pregnant, not dieting but had morning sickness, and ended up on a "drip" again for another week. So, I have no problem LOSING the weight. Losing it and not dropping dead is the problem.

My husband's never seen me thin, I did the diet when I was 19. But the other two times, was after I was married, and he got kind of scared.

The truth is, I don't even eat that much. It's almost 3:00 now, and I've only had 2 spoons of peanut butter and a glass of milk today, so I don't know why I'm still this weight.

My doctor's say I look like I "should" weigh only 165 or so, but my breasts and butt are HEAVY.
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Moonsigns, I don't consume sugar or flour products, but I may have to drop potatoes, rice, and dairy as well.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As a matter of fact, I may need to eat soon because I feel a little light-headed.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's pictures of Toccara, Tonya.

She does look really good.












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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 03:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thank you, Pretty.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 03:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Looking at Toccara, my arms and thighs aren't that big. My waist is smaller too, but my breasts are larger.
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Doberman23, you are a verrry insensitve cat; and you are really starting to piss me the fuck off. Really.

tonya so what, don't be a fatty and then u wont be offended. no one gains a bunch of wieght over night or over a period of one week. and that girl toccara is fat and she needs to lose weight, that's not healthy ... i hope this post is still here when she turns 30 and has high blood pressure or sugar, that's when ya'll see.
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Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 03:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't feel bad Renata. My breast are close to being her size and I'm 5'7", 134 lbs, and I have no ass at all. None. I'm a walking stick with big breasts and a chubby round face.
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I personally am not offended, but I do know that not everyone gets fat from eating a lot. And when you go to the hospital for losing weight, the stuff they give you in the hospital makes you gain weight. I don't know if it's chemical or hormonal or whatever.

I remember lifting weights and running 3 miles every day, and NOT LOSING ONE OUNCE. When I diet without exercising, the pounds just drop off. And then I sit in the hospital for a week with a tube in my arm.

I'll lose weight, but I'm not going to kill myself doing it.
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Tonya, I don't feel bad. I will lose the weight, but I can't risk getting sick again with a little one around to take care of.
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Doberman, Tonya's not fat AT ALL.

You're just a yellow asshole fink in general.

Your posts suck.

It's a "blackgirl" thang. You wouldn't understand.





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perhaps you should excersize under the supervision of a weight trainer and/or a dietitian, that way you can be properly monitored. a healthy and plan can then be set up for you to reach your ideal goal.
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Doberman23,

what makes you think that she'll have high blood pressure or bad sugar by age 30? Do you know her work out regimen, how she eats? How do you know she's not down from a larger size? Because that's the way it looks to me. It looks like she's actually lost weight.
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I'm 31 and have LOW blood sugar and LOW blood pressure. And they dropped even lower when I was pregnant, and the low blood pressure was the reason I needed a C-section.
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Those pics of Tocarra are beautiful!
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No, Reneta, we were discussing what Toccara might be like by age 30. But you're 31...? Hey, we're the same age! I didn't know that.
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tonya
because shes only 22 and the doctor on that tv show said she was at a great risk of having both of those. and she will because she said she's going to eat what she wants. i don't want to see that happen to her, i've lost family members because of complications from high blood pressure and sugar diabetes and they all had that same thing in common with ol' girl...and that's they where overweight.
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Moonsigns:

Those pics of Tocarra are beautiful!

Tonya:

The second one reminds me of Marilynn Monroe (sp).

She has the same kind of glam.
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renata
in your ghetto or country post you stated that you where loud... i'm just wondering why your loud?
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Renata,

The body is a machine! You need to eat more! When you don't eat, your body thinks it's starving and will fight you to lose weight--especially because you have a history of dropping weight too fast. Also, when you undereat and over-exercise, you will NOT lose weight, you'll lose muscle mass (and muscle burns fat). Those habits destroy your metabolism. There is a book called 'The Schwarzbein Principle' by Diana Schwarzbein. She is an M.D. who specializes in Endocrinology (hormones), and her book is so informative and helpful! Your history sounds very similiar to the patient cases she shares in her book. Her web-site is schwarzbeinprinciple.com



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Thick is Beyonce! The thighs/legs! The hips! The booty!

Fat is the Parker's.

Let's just say that if you are a size 14 and above, you have gone from fine to swine!

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"i've lost family members because of complications from high blood pressure and sugar diabetes and they all had that same thing in common with ol' girl...and that's they where overweight."

Not trying to be malicious, but did you say mean things to them, to encourage them to lose weight, before they died?
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Doberman, I just laugh really loud, no reason really.

I'll check the book out, Moonsigns. I've heard that before, but I'm really afraid if I eat more I may GAIN weight. I haven't been losing weight with how I eat, but at least I don't gain any.
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I'm not as large as the Parkers. My chest is larger, but the rest of me isn't.
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nah, they weren't going to listen to me. especailly as a kid. my grandmother had 13 kids and all of them including my mother have something along the lines of sugar or high blood pressure... and yes i said something to my mom about it all the time ... she didn't listen until the doctor told her the exact same thing i told her. now she's losing wieght and doing better ... was i mean about it, well she thought so, but i talk to people who smoke cigarettes the same way i talk to people who need to lose weight i guess... thats if i care, otherwise i wouldn't say anything at all.
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i thought when you said you where loud you meant you nearly yelled at people when you talk to them...sort of like samuel jackson does in most movies his in.
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LOL

oh, God no!

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I wonder what weight and high blood pressure have to do with each other?

Most of my dark skinned relatives are as thin as rails, and have DANGEROUSLY high blood pressure.

Most of the lighter skinned people have weight issues, and have normal or low blood pressure.

So, I'm wondering if weight and blood pressure problems go hand in hand.
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Lord, can my 52 year old heart take this?? First we find out that Renata is not only "country" but is also obese! And now - help my Jesus - Tonya has totally disqualified herself from being "authentic" by confessing that she has a FLAT BUTT. What next? Will Moonsigns admit that she is really Asian.
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renata
you can check anywhere and you'll see that weight plays a huge part in complications with peoples blood pressure and sugar... not saying all...but it's alot!
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my mother nearly yells when she talks to me, it pisses me off too. especially when she gets all churchy... jeez, my ears still ring to this day because of that crap.
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Oh, don't pay that woman any mind. Size 14 does not automatically mean "swine." I have a sister whom I envied all of my life because she has everything that I don't: curves! booty! boom! pow! baaaam! good lord! You know, all that. She's currently a size 14 or so now, and she's still all of that. (And I still envy her). So it's not about the size; it's how it's put together that counts.
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nice sound effects tonya, i can actually visualize that
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...LOL!
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my girlfriend only represents with a *ping* *ping* ting! ...but shes so cute and has a big forehead :-)
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I can wear bottoms at size 12 and 14, and tops at size 20, so I'm really top heavy.

One HUGE thing I need help/advice with: The largest problem I have with losing weight is that my blood sugar/pressure drop to dangerously low levels when I'm thinner. How do I fix that? The whole reason for the IV was to get my blood pressure UP. So, if I could lose weight without having that problem, I would no longer have a problem.
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renata
don't take any advice from anyone on here when it comes to that, get that info from a doctor.
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oooh, expensive....but you have a point.

A friend of mine has been trying to convince me to go to Japan (where he lives) and see a doctor there. He's so convinced that a Japanese lifestyle (eating/medicine) would be much better for me than the American lifestyle. No way in heck I'm paying 900 one way for a ticket to see a doctor.

I'll need to find a specialist here. Doctors I've been seeing don't give ANY help. They just basically say, "you need to eat more and don't exercise as much" and send me on my way.
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And to add to that Renata, ask your doctor to refer you to a nutritionist. Peanut butter is well fine and good, but a salad with nuts sprinkled on top is better. Definitely lots of natural fruits and vegetables will make for a healthier you. And being HEALTHY is what you want to strive for.
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did u ever consider canada? wait, what state are you in where your doctors suck that bad? you need to holla at a dietitian at least, they don't cost as much as doctors ... you don't have insurance? because they may reduce your payments if u start losing wieght if u have it.
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I live in Georgia. You can't use insurance for "weight issues" unless they're debilitating (can't walk, back problems, have chronic high blood pressure, etc.) If you're just overweight and have no other problems, insurance won't pay for it.
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hmmmm, well right now would've been excellent time to head over to canada ...everybody else is going there right now because of the super bowl stuff...not to mention it's legal to smoke weed and get hookers. people are always going there to get medicine too, because it's cheaper there and our money is worth more than theres.
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Oooh-uh-uhhhh!!! Sidebar, Doberman23!!!:

("don't be a fatty and then u wont be offended").

I am NOT a "fatty!" That's NOT the reason why I was offended!

It was your INITIAL icy, cruel, insensitive, response to Reneta's post that teed me off.... GET IT RIGHT BITCH!!

...I noticed your comment a few seconds ago and I just had to make myself clear.... Carry on....


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Regarding women's dress (pants, skirts, etc.) sizes - they are not standardized throughout the industry. One manufacturer's size 10 may be different than another's. So you shouldn't judge a person's body type based solely upon their dress size.
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That's true. I wear size 14 pants at Ashley Stewart, but size 10 or 12 at other stores. Tops: 18-20 at other stores, 20-22 at Ashley Stewart.
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I’m not a doctor and not diabetic but I have family members who are, including my mother, and ALL of them have been advised by their various doctors to eat 4-6 small meals throughout the day. Mostly vegetables, protein and good fats [olive oil, nuts]. Usually, blood sugar is highly influenced by diet [meaning how you eat]. It goes up OR DOWN depending on the insulin reaction to what you have eaten, or not eaten. Renata, with your history I’m surprised some doctor hasn’t told you this. So, EAT WOMAN!

And Moonie is right – if you don’t eat your body will think it’s starving and will hold on to every ounce, especially the fat. That is unless you REALLY restrict food and then you will lose but not in a healthy way and you’ll also probably get sick – which you did.

Kola – out of all the pictures I’ve seen of you [and Lord Knows you’ve put up quite a few, ha-ha!] none of them do you justice. Face it girl, you are not photogenic. But that’s ok, as long as the real deal is the real deal.

Back on topic: I’d describe Toccara as “thick” but Doberman can think what he wants because This Is America Damnit! At least for now . . .


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Before I leave (I have to pack), I just wanted to say that some guys just like big girls.

My husband's ex was a german girl, believe it or not, and she was probably twice my size AFTER her surgery. She had the (I think its called) gastric bypass surgery, and AFTER losing what she said was 100 pounds, she was AT least 300 pounds....unless she just carried it badly and weighed less.

My doctor says I'm not heavy enough for such a surgery. I asked.
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Thanks, Crystal. I'll have to see a specialist. But I think a big thing I have is a FEAR to eat more.

Maybe if I get over that...
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Kola – out of all the pictures I’ve seen of you [and Lord Knows you’ve put up quite a few, ha-ha!] none of them do you justice. Face it girl, you are not photogenic. But that’s ok, as long as the real deal is the real deal.





Well, since Crystal has actually spent time with Kola Boof in person, I think her word is the best we can go by, and I hope Kola's lurking somewhere in here to read this! :-)

What a great compliment.

Now stop being so insecure. You get no more sympathy, Kola.






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Call me dumb, folks, - and I know you will jump at the chance to do this. LOL. But I can't believe that a 31-year-old college graduate could have so little insight into her chronic health problems. Thank goodness she received the input of all of you people eager to lend your support in the form of common sense suggestions. And what would we do if we didn't have "prettybabygirl" to keep Renata from upstaging Kola. And, yes, I will in the future try to by-pass posts that make my eyes glaze over.
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I don't have chronic HEALTH problems, only chronic WEIGHT problems. The health problems only come when I try to lose weight. The only times I've been hospitalized is when I've LOST weight. I know there are some things I need to do to lose it, but I have a fear of eating more than I eat now. That's not uncommon. If you can't name someone who "picks at" their food and doesn't eat much, you don't know enough people.
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If you have chronic weight problems, you have chronic health problems. Obesity is unhealthy, as are eating disorders.
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Cynique,

If every 30-something college grad had had a firm handle on his/her weigh/health matters, American would NOT be the fata$$ nation we've as a WHOLE has become.


Renata,

No offense to you and what you're enduring. I truly wish you ALL the best.
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This is not about having a handle a health problem, ABM, it's about recognizing the obvious that if you eat too much you will get fat and that if you get fat your health is at risk. Many people can't handle this, but it's not because they aren't aware of what's causing their problem and have to have people taking turns telling them what should be clearly apparent.
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Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 02:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree MANY Black women (and men too, but just focusing on women for the point of the following) are undisciplined and are either ignorant and/or negligent of what they should do to better preserve their health.

But I know LOTS sistahs who eat like dieting parakettes who STILL are fat.

Thus, I also believe there are OTHER issues that complicate the problems being discussed here. And they are as follows:

I. What the FUHK is in our food? Really? Does ANYBODY know? My youngest daughter started getting hair under her arms when she was EIGHT years old.

EIGHT!!!

Shyt. I didn't get hairy underarms until I was FOURTEEN.

I think our food supply is reaping HAVOC on our physiology! And one MAJOR consequence of such is our abounding wastelines.

I think the food producers WANT us to be fat and design the food to engender such. Why? Because the fatter we are, the more we will EAT, thus, the more MONEY they'll make from our greater food consumption.


II. I think the natural body chemisty of many Black women is more presupposed to carrying fat than other women. That's why sistahs are MORE apt than other women swing dat trunkafunk.


III. Yet, Black women are bred to eat foods that have the HIGHEST fat/sugar content. This plus III. are a deadly combination!


IV. We all, as a whole, live much more sedentarily lives. I predict this current generation of foks <30 years old will be HUGE. Because they don't do ANY rigorous kind of work or play. Kids of prior generations were ALWAYS running around out side, playing stick ball, dodgeball, hoops, sandlot football, etc. But the only kids I see today who regularly play sports are those who are on sports teams, many of whom (foolishly) think they might actually score pro contract.


V. I think A LOT of Black women are chronically depressed and lonesome. They're overburden with money and family issues. Some are taking care of their children AND parents. Some are taking care of grand and even greatgrand children. And many Black women have almost NEVER had a man of any real merit and consequence their lives. I think for these reasons, A LOT of women are using food to momentarily disguise how so overwhelmed and unhappy they really are.
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Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 02:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm, the reason that our children are maturing earlier (menstruating at a younger age, etc.) is because of the growth hormones in the meat, milk and dairy products that we consume.
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Thick = Beyonce
Thick=Tyra Banks(Even though she is a supermodel she is still thick).
Fat=Monique

I hate when women who are clearly fat try to define themselves as "curvy". Like there is a huge difference between curvy and fat. There is nothing even remotely curvy about a women who weighs 400Ibs.

Also, I just started back going to the gym. I go to the Bally's here in Pasadena. I don't like this particular one because it is to small, funky, and it has no air conditioning. They are building a Magic Johnson 24Hr Fitness down the street from my home. It is going to be great! Magic Johnson only hires Blacks. And it is going to be huge. I can't wait till it opens.
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Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 05:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tocarra also lost a lot of weight when she was on that show Celebrity Fit Club. I think that is when she took those pics in King Magazine.
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Seranasailor wrote: "I hate when women who are clearly fat try to define themselves as "curvy". Like there is a huge difference between curvy and fat. There is nothing even remotely curvy about a women who weighs 400Ibs."
I can agree with that. As basic black man, my personal preference is for women with curves, hips and shapely thick legs. That's just the way it is. White men (as a group), tend to go for long thin legs, somewhat flat butts and large boobs. Nothing wrong with that since it is a personal preference which everyone is entitled to.

Latin’s, Italians, black men, Armenians and some others, tend to prefer women with thickness that is accented with curves and rounded butts. However, there are women who look like “sausages” in their clothes because of being excessively overweight (400 lbs?)! I see this kind of thing all the time. Just because they see someone like Beyonce or Jennifer Lopez getting raves because of a tight form fitting outfit, they seem to believe they rate the same response by wearing an identical or similar outfit. Sorry, that's just not reality.



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Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 09:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thick = Beyonce
Thick=Tyra Banks(Even though she is a supermodel she is still thick).
Fat=Monique
Fat=Queen Latifah

Serenasailor i agree with your last statement, cept' i think white boys are starting to enjoy booties alot more than they did a few years ago. maybe it's the rap videos or something, but it will probably just be a fad thing for them. my girl doesn't really make the cut in the rump area but, i don't care as long as she's sim.
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Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 09:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"However, there are women who look like ?sausages? in their clothes because of being excessively overweight (400 lbs?)!
'I see this kind of thing all the time.'"

Maybe I need to get out more. *Scratching the head*

Where do you guys be seeing these 3 and 400lbs women?!?!?!
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Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 09:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya,

In their corpulent wetdreams, mostly.
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Doberman23,

Black men are (with perhaps the exception of Native American) the LEAST healthy Americans. We have much higher incidences of circulatory/pulmonary disease. We are much more likely to die after contracting cancers than others. And we have much shorter lifespans than everyone else.

So if your REALLY concerned about the quality of health within the Black community, perhaps your time and attention would be better applied advising BROTHAS about what they should do to improve their health.
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Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 09:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

abm
that's because brothers don't go to the doctors until their conditions pretty much force them too. if you don't get yourself checked up on a routinely basis then what the hell can i do for you? now, with that being said i'm going to dictionary.com to see what corpulent means.
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Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 10:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm still ruminating over lithe, statuesque, Tyra Banks being called "thick" by Serenasoldier. And hefty, toned-up Queen Latifah being referred to as "fat". Obviously, I don't agree with his classifications. I guess it's like when an anorexic girl looks in the mirror and sees a fat person. Our brains filter what our eyes see. No wonder eyewitness reports are unreliable.
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Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 11:06 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique,

Does Latifah have a waistline with circumference that is decidedly LESS than her bust and booty areas?

If the answer to that question is "Yes", she's thick. If not...
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Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 01:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doberman23 wrote: that's because brothers don't go to the doctors until their conditions pretty much force them too. if you don't get yourself checked up on a routinely basis then what the hell can i do for you?

This is very true. Black men as a group are the least likely of all other groups to seek medical treatment and regular check ups. The mortality statistics of treatable disorders and diseases are irrefutable testimony to this.
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Kola Boof wrote; It's the HATE MAIL emails I get all day every day. When you're a female---90% of HATE MAIL makes mention of your looks.

Why are people constantly sending you hate mail? What generally is their issue with you? Just curious....
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Tonya wrote:Where do you guys be seeing these 3 and 400lbs women?!?!?!

Ha! Ha! Ha! When I said; However, there are women who look like “sausages” in their clothes because of being excessively overweight (400 lbs?)! I see this kind of thing all the time.., I meant seeing unshapely very overweight women who wear uncomplimentary clothes. I commented with a question mark about the 400lb thing. And when I said, I see this kind of thing all the time.., I meant seeing grossly overweight women who looked like sausages in their clothes. Not that they necessarily weighted 400lbs. I made question mark comment because although I "personally have not seen" a 400lb woman in hoochie mama clothes, I'm sure there is a least one somewhere in the US.
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Why are people constantly sending you hate mail? What generally is their issue with you? Just curious....

Hi, Ntfs :-)


I get hate mail mostly from

(1) Arab-American Muslims--regarding my politics in the Sudan and my refusal to support the Palestinians.

(2) Black American Men--because I raise the issue of "Colorism" and supposedly "bash" them over their mistreatment of their "Mother Image" and their growing self destruction through Mixed children.

(3) Black American Muslims.

(4) White American women involved in interracial relationships.

I usually receive 50 to 75 hate messages a day, usually with headings like: "I love you Kola Boof!"


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Oh, and "lightskinned" people often send me hate mail, because of my cultural inability to see them as "authentic blacks". Sort of like the Henry Gates DNA results just showed--which I've been saying all along---some of us (Alek Wek) are more authentically black than others (Kola Boof).




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Kola)buff

Oh, and "lightskinned" people often send me hate mail, because of my cultural inability to see them as "authentic blacks". Sort of like the Henry Gates DNA results just showed--which I've been saying all along---some of us (Alek Wek) are more authentically black than others (Kola Boof).

lol your silly

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