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Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 147
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 04:47 pm: | 
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Hip hop's thugs hit new low
By Stanley Crouch
Black popular culture continues to descend. The most recent and monstrous aspect of it comes, as usual, from the world of hip hop, where thugs and freelance prostitutes have been celebrated for a number of years.
This new development is observable in the work of Snoop Doggy Dog, Jay-Z and 50 Cent: the elevation of pimps as cultural heroes. That's beyond degraded.
A black executive in the world of popular music said to me a few years ago that the number of Negro performers who have actually become millionaires through hip hop sales is surely not even 100, but the price that their influence has extracted from black communities across this nation numbers in thousands upon thousands who have been murdered or beaten up or terrorized. After all, the celebration of thugs and thuggish behavior should not be expected to bring about any other results.
There are, of course, those who will say that all young people, not only in America but overseas, are in love with gangsters and thugs and the rebelliousness that thugs represent. That is why we find ourselves faced with white and Asian young people who suffer from the same abysmal taste and exhibit the same lack of social skills seen in the black and Latino gangster.
But it seems to me that if all those other people were serious about being thugs and gangsters, there would be an appreciable rise in their neighborhoods of the murder, gang violence and urban terrorism that so-called urban communities - code for black and Latino - are the victims of, day in and day out.
The truth is something else. When a small but extremely dangerous number of black and Latino young men imitate the behavior projected in gangster rap recordings and videos, they go far beyond the surface obnoxiousness that is common to most American young people.
This obnoxiousness has a strong tradition, coming from 50 years of rock 'n' roll in which adults and authority are looked upon as the ultimate enemies of teenage fun.
But with white kids, the point is irritating their parents, not becoming a member of a violent gang. Most of those parents are now Cher's age and are not at all bothered by noisy pop music turned up too loud. That is exactly what they grew up on, even if the style was different.
Those white parents can, however, be disturbed by racial epithets and the misogyny so rampant in gangster rap. Basically, that's enough for obnoxious white teenagers.
With black teenagers, we have another problem, which is that street behavior is defined these days as being "authentic" and "not trying to be white." Those who take that seriously have been committing intellectual suicide for years by aspiring downward.
No other ethnic group has ever judged its authenticity by the lowdown ways of its scum. But in the poisonous wing of gangster rap, anything is possible.
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Mrs_hart
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Username: Mrs_hart
Post Number: 250
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 11:08 pm: |
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"No other ethnic group has ever judged its authenticity by the lowdown ways of its scum."
AMEN
I disagree with the below statements, however:
"But with white kids, the point is irritating their parents, not becoming a member of a violent gang. Most of those parents are now Cher's age and are not at all bothered by noisy pop music turned up too loud. That is exactly what they grew up on, even if the style was different.
"But with white kids, the point is irritating their parents, not becoming a member of a violent gang.--This is not true. Look at any number of "rebel" films and/or music covering the "50 years of Rock 'n' Roll, and you will find STONED OUT/ROOF JUMPING WHITE KIDS. Most of those parents are now Cher's age and are not at all bothered by noisy pop music turned up too loud.--This man must be OFF his rocker. People Cher's age are the first group of teens/young people who turned on, and preached to OTHERS to turn on to heroin and cocaine That is exactly what they grew up on, even if the style was different--Are you sure that this man REALLY, REALLY wrote this? He is old enough to have REMEMBERED AND EXPERIENCED the PYCHODELIC 60'S AND 70'S. Many White kids and rock stars of that age died of OVERDOSES and jumped from windows because THEY BELIEVED THEY COULD FLY!
Those white parents can, however, be disturbed by racial epithets and the misogyny so rampant in gangster rap. Basically, that's enough for obnoxious white teenagers.--Like I stated above: Are you sure that Crouch WROTE every word of this piece? How can a Black man say that Whites and their KIDS are just "Gee whiz 50's Beaver Cleaver type people. Is he saying that these people were just DROPPED unto the planet somehow?
I don't believe a man who came through Jim Crow and Segregation believe in the INNOCENCE of the people of THAT generation.
As a matter of fact, since the Bush Administration is hell bent on turning back ALL Civil Rights gains, I doubt if he truely wrote this as posted.
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Mrs_hart
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Username: Mrs_hart
Post Number: 252
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 11:21 pm: |
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I cannot believe that Stanley Crouch wrote the entire piece.
He is someone who lived during Jim Crow and the Civil Rights era.
Surely he remembers when White people turned Rock 'n' Roll into drugs and death.
People Cher's age drugged up and dropped out and encouraged others to follow suit.
During the 60's and 70's White Rock 'n' Roll stars and White students were killing themselves on heroin and cocaine. Many were simply jumping out of windows because they believed they could FLY.
Since Crouch is a reporter, surely he understands what it means that Bush was installed to the presidency. Surely he understands that Bush is spying on ALL AMERICANS and intends to turn back ALL civil rights once Alito is confirmed.
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Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 159
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 12:08 am: |
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Crouch did write this stuff. He deliberately plays up all the bad things about blacks(whom he calls Negroes)and downplays things about whites and Asians because this is what the neocons pay him to do. He is their boy. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 259
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 03:33 am: |
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Rappers are simply leaches who pilfer the securing notes of social music to hide their prolific ingnorance of true accomplishment. They cower behind bling, fling and sling to promote their false idolization of the hordes of high-heeled hair-flowing trophies for which they were never entitled. And to whom do we owe this privilege? Look not within thyself, but into the mirror of concerts past. |
Abm
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Post Number: 4068
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 06:34 am: |
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It never ceases to amaze me how foks can whine and cry about the thuggery of Black rappers WITHOUT also blaming the WHITE record (and TV and movie) company owners/executes who finance, distribute and promote today's more brutish elements of hip-hop. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3610
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 01:14 pm: |
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I am older than Stanly Crouch and was around during the civil rights era and the hey day of the baby boomer/rebellious hippies, most of who were middleclass white kids either going through an anti-establishment stage or on an idealistic quest to save the word. They smoked a lot of weed, and did magical mushrooms and LSD and engaged in free love but the rock musicians were mostly the ones who did hard drugs. Back then, rich and middleclass white kids were the poster children for the generation gap syndrome wherein they rejected their parents values and the status quo. Now the Generation Xers who are the children of baby boomer/hippies are enamoured with gangsta Rap and the hip-hop culture. The bottom line is that when the novelty of the counterculture wears off, these white kids did and will move on into the mainstream. White kids of the 60s and 70s are today's movers and shakers and they are of both the liberal and the conservative persuasion. But above all else, they are white and privileged and they will do what's best to maintain The Establishment that they are pillars of. As it has been noted here before, the tragedy of this is that too many black males never out grew their youthful anti-social behavior and ironically George Bush never outgrew his tendency to break the rules. He stubbornly does whatever he pleases and gets away with it. It's just fortunate that he is too dumb to be machivellian. |
Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 229
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 01:21 pm: |
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To Mrs Hart:That 'jumping out the window thinking they could fly'thing was just another piece of the B.S. that the government was putting out at the time.There was not one documented case of that actually happening.LSD was legal until the mid-sixties and that was just part of the propaganda campaign to have LSD become covered by the controlled substance act, much like that old movie, Reefer Madness from the thirties.In 1968 a gram of cocaine cost about 100 bucks.You could also buy a pretty nice new car for about 3 grand.Today a gram of cocaine costs less than 100 bucks and a pretty nice new car costs about 20 grand.Heroin production today is at about 10 times the level it was in the 60s.The point of all of that is the obvious conclussion that drug abuse is far more wide-spread now than it was in the 60s.You could count the number of rock stars from that time that died from drug related causes on your fingers and they weren't all white.The names that come to mind are Jimi Hendrix, Keith Moon, Janis Joplin, and Jim Morrison.I guess in a way Marvin Gaye's death could be attributed to drugs, but the actual cause of death was an overdose of lead.The 'big-hair' guys of the 80s did more to promote decadence than the rockers of the 60s every thought about.There has been a very rapid decline in the intellect and character of your average american, black or white or anything in between, since then.The behavior of the Hip-Hop culture is merely the next step in a downward spiral that was easily predictable.If you think that the Hip-Hop thing is bad, just wait another 10 or 15 years.
To Abm:I've always sort of taken it as a given that if there is money to be made in anything then there will be some white folks at the top of that particular food chain, social consequences be damned.A cursory glance at what a few white folks have been willing to do for no reason other than to line their own pockets over the last few years will demonstrate conclusively what I've believed for quite a while.Those people are crazy and they will commit the most monstrous of attrocities for a buck. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4071
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 05:19 pm: |
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Rustang,
I think most of us KNOW White foks are the one's who are making the most dough dealing gangsta rap. Hell. After all this IS AMERICA. I just think it's interesting how we seldom finger YT for the ascendency of the Fitty Cents of the world.
It's as if we (especially Black foks) expect Black foks who've been raised poor, undereducated and neglected (and mostly FATHERLESS) to be MORE socially responsible than privileged White foks. |
Mrs_hart
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Username: Mrs_hart
Post Number: 258
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 06:56 pm: |
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"To Mrs Hart:That 'jumping out the window thinking they could fly'thing was just another piece of the B.S. "
No it wasn't, Rustang. I LIVED through that period and remember it QUITE well.
Now Reefer Madness WAS governmental and political MADNESS/LIES. |
Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 231
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 09:20 am: |
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Mrs Hart:There are quite a few people on this board who aren't exactly in the springtime of life, myself included, although, I think that once you get past Methuselah and Conner MacLeod, you would be hard pressed to find someone Cher's age. The simple truth is that drug abuse then, especially among white folks, wasn't anything close to what it is today.There were cases of people on LSD jumping out of windows, but it wasn't because they believed that they could fly.It was because they knew that they could not fly, like Art Linkletter's kid.
Abm:The expectations and requirements are higher for blacks than for whites because the vulnerability is so much higher and the margin for error is much narrower.When you here people talk about the black man that was raised poor, undereducated and fatherless,they are talking about me, among many others.But I was very fortunate.My mother made me understand at a very early age that being just as good wasn't going to be nearly good enough. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4074
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 10:23 am: |
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Rustang,
I understand, and probably have LIVED, what you describe. But I think it's a mistake to eschew blaming others for the havoc they help to reap upon the Black communities. Especially when they earn BILLIONS from their malevolent efforts. |
Rustang
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Username: Rustang
Post Number: 232
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 05:10 pm: |
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Abm, I agree with you entirely that, when it comes to blame, the lion's share of it rests squarely on the shoulders of a small cadre of obscenely wealthy white folks, and I have absolutely no problem with saying that around anyone, black or white.But, I also understand that, as things stand right now, while they might be the ones responsible, I am the one held accountable.It's a question of what will I do in response to the situation.If I go no further than the assignment of blame I will be in and out of prison until the day that I die flat broke.That's why 'just as good' isn't nearly good enough.I have to be the absolute best that I can possibly be in every aspect of my life and hold myself to a far higher standard than any white man would ever consider for himself.Is that fair? Not even close.Is that how things should be? No, it isn't.I have to try to live in the world that is, rather than the one that should be, and to do that successfuly, I have had to try to excel to a ridiculous degree at everything I do.The result of that so far is that I have no problem looking myself in the eye in the mirror, a family that loves me and friends that respect me, so I'ld have to say that I am satisfied with the outcome so far. |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 173
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 05:19 pm: |
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I notice that Nels, and Ntfs and the main advocates against rap music, but will stand up applaud interracial relationships.How interesting! "Rolleyes" Both of those things destroy the black culture. |
Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 266
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 09:50 pm: |
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"The simple truth is that drug abuse then, especially among white folks, wasn't anything close to what it is today.--THAT WAS NEVER A DISPUTE. There were cases of people on LSD jumping out of windows, but it wasn't because they believed that they could fly.It was because they knew that they could not fly,---TO EACH HIS OWN. MAYBE WE GREW UP IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD. I AM FROM A VERY BIG CITY. THERE WERE PEOPLE JUMPING FROM WINDOWS AND ROOFTOPS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED (ONCE ON LSD OR WHATEVER, BUT MAINLY LSD), THAT THEY COULD FLY. THEY OFTEN DID THIS AT A PARTY IN A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE, WHO COULD CONFIRM THAT THEY "ATTEMPTED" TO FLY.
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Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 261
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 02:39 am: |
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Abm --
"It never ceases to amaze me how foks can whine and cry about the thuggery of Black rappers WITHOUT also blaming the WHITE record (and TV and movie) company owners/executes who finance, distribute and promote today's more brutish elements of hip-hop."
Been there, done that.
Serenasailor --
"I notice that Nels, and Ntfs and the main advocates against rap music, but will stand up applaud interracial relationships."
Interracial relationships? It's a free world, and if it weren't for interracial relationships, I guess that most of us wouldn't be here on this board today. In one way or another, we're all connected. And as far as rap music is concerned, only a moron couldn't see through the self-destructive idiocy of that medium of expression. If you can't graduate from school, then play sports -- yeahhhh, right - not? If you can't sing, then rap your chummy black ass all the way to the bank, just to have the Arabs nuke your dumb ass and burn up all of those precious "Benjamins". Next shithead please! |
Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 271
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 08:54 am: |
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Well, see...it's a most creative thing to say "nigga" to the beat of a flow, while all your little "niggas" listen while munching on popcorn shrimp, fries and Kool-aid.
All the while they can listen to "Babymomma" and "Babydaddy" educating their "little niggas" that death by drive-by, calling all females of your community "ho's" and "bitches"---is keeping it real. You know, Rap has been REALLY good to the Black community.
We would have overcome sooner if King and Malcolm had just cursed the black community out a lot to a rap beat.
Man! What PROGRESS!
Can't you see it now? All those old Ebony's, Jet's and MUHAMMAD SPEAKS, calling the black community ho's, bitches and "niggas."
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Serenasailor
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Post Number: 192
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 04:29 pm: |
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Interracial relationships? It's a free world, and if it weren't for interracial relationships, I guess that most of us wouldn't be here on this board today. In one way or another, we're all connected. And as far as rap music is concerned, only a moron couldn't see through the self-destructive idiocy of that medium of expression. If you can't graduate from school, then play sports -- yeahhhh, right - not? If you can't sing, then rap your chummy black ass all the way to the bank, just to have the Arabs nuke your dumb ass and burn up all of those precious "Benjamins". Next shithead please!
I find that funny seeing as how rappers like everyone else are protected under the first amendment. And, I also don't see how you that self-hatred in the black community, and trying to destroy your cultural identity by intermarriage is not self-destructive. These rappers are rapping there not actually going out and killing ppl themselves. Blame it on these stupid parents who allow their children to listen to this garbage. |
Doberman23
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 - 06:48 pm: |
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cool c killed that cop in philadelphia, and cassidy just had something to with someone getting killed last year, oh yeah ...c-murder killed somebody too, i think some of these guys are making it happen...why is shine in jail again? |
Nels
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Post Number: 265
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 02:29 am: |
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Serenasailor --
"trying to destroy your cultural identity by intermarriage is not self-destructive"
Since when did intermarriage destroy cultural identity? Prove it! But then again, one-track minds and tunnel-visionists float that kind of crap all the time. |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 254
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 06:11 pm: |
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Serenasailor --
"trying to destroy your cultural identity by intermarriage is not self-destructive"
Since when did intermarriage destroy cultural identity? Prove it! But then again, one-track minds and tunnel-visionists float that kind of crap all the time.
There are many examples of Intermarriage destroying cultures. Take for instance the Ainu ppl of Japan. They were the original inhabitants of Japan. Now, there very few Ainu ppl left in Japan. They were breed out of existance. And many of the early American Indian tribes of North American, and the indegineous ppl of South America.
cool c killed that cop in philadelphia, and cassidy just had something to with someone getting killed last year, oh yeah ...c-murder killed somebody too, i think some of these guys are making it happen...why is shine in jail again?
Also Doberman23, if you want to bring talk about the bad behavior of some of these rappers. Why not bring into account some of the behavior of some of these black men who intermarry. Like O.J Simpson, and Kobe Bryant.
Rapp is a form of music that was based on the idea of "Rebellion". So when they are talking about Bitches & Ho's, guns, drugs,etc that is what the music is intended to be about. Much like Rock & Roll in the late 40's early 50's. If you listen to the music they also talked about sex, drugs, and alcohol and other things that were considered taboo for it's time(Of couse, not in such a vulgar manor as the Rapp music is today).
Now, don't get me wrong. I am not defending this vulgar music. I do not think it is appropriate for young black ppl to listen to today. But, if you are going to talk about bad,vulgar, music. Listen to some of the Heavy Metal Rock Bands from the 80's and early 90's. Like Guns & Roses,(leader sung about killing off all the blacks,jew,Mexicans, and Gays in one of his songs) Poisen, and Quiet Riot. Don't just call these rappers into question do the same for everybody(White & Black Musicians). |
Doberman23
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 04, 2006 - 09:34 pm: |
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hey serensailor o.j. was aquitted of that nicole and rod goldman thing! "that was me, by the way" and kobe was not found guilty of anything either. "that was also me too"
and i was just pointing out that those rappers actually did cause someones life to come to an end by "keeping it real"... and i wouldn't have but you wrote "These rappers are rapping there not actually going out and killing ppl themselves." gangsta rap or hard rap is not for the weak minded and easily influenced, i think dmx is great work out music but a knuckle head would take dmx's words to heart and be influenced by what's being said. i really wouldn't think that the harder stuff wouldn't be too bad if the rappers didn't stress all the time how they really live it and make it seem like the recipe to success for those who live in bad dispositions is to 1.sale crack 2. go to jail 3. get shot and hopefully survive or be around someone who gets killed 4. then rap about it ...voila! go platinum and still tell the same story over for 2 more cds, even though you live 50 miles away from where you started. we all know that there are several different genres of rap, but this one gets the most hype before that it was 2live crew stuff. the reason reason why it's also called into question is because single black parents have a hard enough time as it is and kids are always going to go through "that rebelion stage" and that's just something that doesn't help.
as far as the interracial dating thing goes, if black women and men would start fulfilling one anothers expectations and trying to help one another instead of searching for all the negativities that they'd find any other race then there wouldn't be so much of that. i will date who ever i feel like, as long as they are good looking and make me happy. technically someone should only choose a mate that is going to make life easier for them and that they can understand, i damn sure didn't go looking for an ethiopean sister but that's what i'm with now. when i was dating white chicks, latinas, and asians i don't think it affected you or anyone else on here, now if i make a song that influences kids to rob, smack the s@#t out of there hos, and sell crack then it affects all of us. so that's all i have to say, now i'm going to go listen to my young jezzy cd. |
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