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Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 126
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 03:21 pm: | 
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Found this on the Net. Very interesting. By the way, does ANYBODY else find the name "Brokeback Mountain" kind of, er, suspect?
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What was Brokeback Mountain but a brilliant film about two men on the down-low set to glorious music and enchanting scenery? "It's pretty clear that if they had been two black men it would have been a different reaction," says Keith Boykin, the author of Beyond the Down Low. "It would have been an evil, nefarious story about deception and disease. These are guys who blatantly cheat on their wives with other men. There's no way it would have been called a love story if they were black."
Left there, the down-low would be just one more attempt to pathologise black male sexuality - a titillating riff on the long-held myth of the untamed bestial urges that increase with the melanin count. But the down-low is different. It has gained legitimacy and traction in the African-American community because of the dramatic rise in HIV among African-American women. In 2003 the rate of Aids diagnoses for black women was 25 times that of white women, according to the US government's Centres for Disease Control; between 2001 and 2004 black women accounted for 68% of new HIV infections. HIV/Aids is now the number-one killer of black women aged between 25 and 34. The leading cause of infection, says the CDC, is heterosexual contact. Meanwhile other CDC studies reveal that a "significant number" of black men who sleep with men still "identify themselves as heterosexual".
Put it all together and it is little wonder that the black women's magazine Essence insisted that "brothers on the down-low pose a serious Aids risk to black women".
That is certainly true if they are having unprotected sex. But not otherwise. The down-low may be a component in fuelling the epidemic. But since it is neither new nor racially specific and has not obviously changed over the years it is unlikely to be the main culprit. Indeed between 2000 and 2003, the very period when the media interest was ramping up, infection rates among black women fell by 6%. Other explanations might include the high rate of incarceration of black men, who contract HIV in prison where gay sex is the only sex available and protection is rare, and the gender imbalance between black men and women in the nation at large.
Thanks to exceptionally high rates of murder (which was the biggest killer of young black men at the end of the last century), Aids/HIV (which replaced murder in the top slot at the beginning of this century) and imprisonment (at current estimates one in three black boys born in 2001 will end up in prison), viable and available black men are relatively scarce. According to the census there are 30% more black women than men in Baltimore, Chicago and Cleveland. In New York the figure is 36%; in Philadelphia 37%.
Discrimination, segregation and societal collapse have created a perfect storm for a higher turnover of sexual partners than would normally be the case, and heterosexual women feeling pressure to lower their standards and demands where men are concerned.
Beverly Guy-Sheftall, a professor of women's studies at the historically black women's college of Spelman in Atlanta, told the Los Angeles Times: "Many of the women on campus are panic-stricken because of the feeling of scarcity. I see a lot of problematic sexual decision-making among black women across class and age lines."
Which brings us back to Brokeback Mountain - a film that sensitively illustrated how even our most intimate human relationships are framed and shaped in no small part by the power, prejudices and conventions of the world around us. It is the only movie I have ever heard of where women cry, in sympathy rather than anger, at the sight of two men routinely betraying their wives, set in a place that embraces rather than stigmatises human frailty - where people cheat because the rules are stacked against them. On the down-low up high in the hills.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 3533
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The writer forgot to mention what rich material this "poignant" movie provides for stand-up comics and late night TV hosts. Even one of the presenters at the Golden Globe Awards snidely implied that this film was a dick-flick, the male version of a chick-flick. When asked if he'd seen the movie by a student at a campus question-and-answer session, President Bush did everything but make a face and say "ick" during his awkward denial. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 92
Registered: 10-2005
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Well, I haven’t seen the movie yet but from what I have been seeing, it has generated a lot of controversy. My understanding is that it involves two married men who fall in love with one another (sic). The story line by itself is no different than any other of the countless films about love and infidelity. The only thing that separates this movie from other gay/lesbian love movies is the fact that it has gone “public” and into the “mainstream”.
It has been a highly successful film and has received plenty of rave reviews and accolades. This never would have never happened twenty or thirty years ago. I see it (even though I have not physically seen the movie) as just another love movie with a gay twist. I’m personally not excited about seeing a movie about two men (or women) who have fallen in love. And I say that not because I am homophobic because I am not. I’m sure it’s a well made movie but I might pass on it.
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Ntfs_encryption
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Cynique wrote: "When asked if he'd seen the movie by a student at a campus question-and-answer session, President Bush did everything but make a face and say "ick" during his awkward denial."
I'm not in the least bit surprised. He denies everything else so his response was quite predictable and routine. Besides, if he said anything positive or even neutral, he would have hell to pay from his conservative Christian base along with other rank and file conservatives. |
Mrs_hart
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So no one disagrees with the premise that if this were a story about two Black men, it wouldn't be accepted with such rosy-ness?
I know! It would be TOO MUCH MAN, wouldn't it? White folks would develop sudden blindness and FREAK out! |
Cynique
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But my point was that this film is not necessarily being accepted with a lot of "rosiness". The acting may be Oscar-worthy but the subject still evokes wide-spread snickering. And as homophobic as the black community is, it would be in the forefront of those revolted by a film about 2 black gay cowboys no matter how sensitively it was handled. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Cynique wrote: "The acting may be Oscar-worthy but the subject still evokes wide-spread snickering. And as homophobic as the black community is, it would be in the forefront of those revolted by a film about 2 black gay cowboys no matter how sensitively it was handled."
You are absolutely right about this. The acting was very good from what I have heard but the subject matter is still taboo even though many strides have been made with "coming out" films and TV programs. Widespread "snickering" and negative head shaking still exists (i.e. Bill O’Reilly, Michael Medved, Sean Hannity, et al). And yes, the black community is without question one of the most rabidly anti-gay/lesbian. Not saying this to be critical, but it is true. I personally witnessed the fate of a number of people I knew of when it was discovered that they were gay. It wasn't pretty.
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Abm
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A film about 2 Black gay cowboys would not be some great romantic drama.
It would be a riotous comedy. |
Mrs_hart
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 05:59 pm: |
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But could a movie about the same subject matter with BLACK ACTORS even GET this far? I think that it would be seen as PORNOGRAPHIC and would probably be an Indie with a XXX rating.
People are split on both sides regarding the movie. In comparison, would a movie about some brothers even make it to this WIDE an audience?
Would the movie even have even SURVIVED this long?
Would it win Awards at Sundance and the Golden Globe Awards?
Would it be talked or WHISPERED about? |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 122
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 06:00 pm: |
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Black ppl are to homophobic!
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Mrs_hart
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Which Black people would that be, dear?
I have lived many places and have seen no shortage of man love between men.
So, somebody, somewhere approves.... |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 125
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 06:24 pm: |
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The black culture is extremely homophobic. Just listen to our music DEAR! I hear rappers all of the time talk about faggots and how they hate them. Also, go to any black church which is the cornerstone in the black community, and you will here them on any given Sunday condemn Homosexuals to hell. That is the reason why there are so many brothers on the D.L.
I also heard that in many parts of Africa, and the Carribean(such as Jamaica)Homosexuality is a crime punishable by death. So Homophobia is not a new attitude in the black community, it is something that can can be traced back to hundreds of years. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 103
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 07:17 pm: |
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Serenasailor wrote:The black culture is extremely homophobic. Just listen to our music DEAR! I hear rappers all of the time talk about faggots and how they hate them. Also, go to any black church which.............So Homophobia is not a new attitude in the black community, it is something that can can be traced back to hundreds of years.
This is very true. I agree. |
Mrs_hart
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You stated that "Black ppl are homophobic", which is a sweeping statement.
NOT all Black people are homophobic. |
Abm
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Mrs_hart,
I think it's safe to answer your questions with an emphatic "NO!". Well. It might be "...talked or WHISPERED about". But I doubt any of the talk would be about Golden Globes and Oscars.
All,
Black people are ALWAYS accused of homophobia. But those who do the accusing SELDOM provide any valid PROOF of such.
And many Black men are on the DL because they're selfish cowards. They want the privileges of manhood yet enjoy being on the delivering/receiving ends of hairy bootydipping. |
Cynique
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Well, the proof is in the asking of gay man who say how much homophobia they encounter in the black community. And obviously there is a correlation between black homophobia and the DL phenomenon. |
Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 156
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 09:34 am: |
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"delivering/receiving ends of hairy bootydipping"
Wow....I'm amazed.... |
Abm
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Mrs_hart,
Why? Ain't that what they do? |
Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 157
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You know, you are just so original ABM.... |
Yvettep
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Anyone see "Brother to Brother"? Great film--tho, yes, a tad rough around the edges as many indies are. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306597/) If we Black folk are not homophobic, then we need to begin supporting quality depictions of Black gay men and lesbians and stop supporting art that bashes them.
Not to mention these knucklehead ministers... |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 112
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Mrs. Hart wrote: "You stated that "Black ppl are homophobic", which is a sweeping statement. NOT all Black people are homophobic."
It’s not a matter of “all” black people. That’s not the point. In order for something to be true, it does not necessarily mean “everyone” in the group. Not all white people have blonde hair and blue eyes but it is a characteristic of the group. When someone talks about being blonde and blue people, more than likely, they are not referring to Mexicans, Pakistanis or Koreans! As you noted, not every black person is homophobic. But homophobia is “common” and does exist within the black community. I’m very surprised you would become defensive and deny this. Sereansailor correctly pointed out the harsh and brutal lyrics against gays that is dominant within in rap music. Unfortunate as it is, many young people are influenced by these homophobic rappers. How can you deny this?
And homophobia does exist in Africa. Desmond Tutu former Archbishop of Cape Town has come out against homophobia in Africa and around the world saying it is a "crime against humanity" and "every bit unjust" as apartheid”. Unfortunately, Desmond Tutu is a lone voice amongst the vile homophobia of Africa's political and religious leaders. Although South Africa has the world's most progressive constitution on sexual orientation issues, other countries in the region are much more conservative. There was a 298-page report, issued by Human Rights Watch and the International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission (IGLHRC), that focused on five countries in the region: Botswana, Namibia, South Africa, Zambia, and Zimbabwe. The report was scathing in denouncing the treatment of gay people in those countries. Perhaps you should do your own research to verify this (if you believe I am making it up).
In America, there has been little activity that would suggest a crisis, especially among those so called black activists who make a living out of showing up when accusations of racial injustice (whether real or exaggerated) occur. Where are the major rallies and town hall meetings, the urgent press conferences, the demands for more money for research and prevention in the black community?
Black Americans harbor a profound homophobia that indirectly assists the spread of HIV by driving men to have sex with other men "on the down low." Now, I’m not defending this dangerous behavior, but I am suggesting that because of the loathing and demonization by many blacks (e.g. the black church), the fear of being caught or exposed has assisted in the very destructive consequences of the “down low” lifestyle. As a result, the highest rate of infection in the country occurs among bisexual black men. And that has horrific implications for black women, who are 19 times more likely to be infected than white women. That's because so many black men recklessly have unprotected sex with other men and then have unprotected sex with women, too. The deadly consequences have been disastrous.
But to be fair, white America shares this prejudice also. If you recall, the outing of former New Jersey Gov. James McGreevey is an example of some white men who also engage in surreptitious gay sex and expose their wives and girlfriends to HIV. So it’s not only the brothers.
You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand that gay or bisexual black men are more afraid to come out of the closet than whites because they already face racial discrimination and are reluctant to take on the added burden of homophobia. Brothers already know what the sting of racism is like. But to add on the homophobic prejudice they'd face in their own homes, social circles and churches is too much.
Some of the readers of this board may recall the Atlanta writer E. Lynn Harris, who achieved fame and fortune by writing a series of spicy novels about black men who secretly have sex with other men. He stated; "The truth is that most brothers who are attracted to men are desperately afraid of revealing it. ... Many ... fear that ... they'll be drummed out of their families, destroying their only safe haven in an already unwelcoming society." Those are his words, not mine!
And I know everyone remembers when J.L. King wrote a book -- "On the Down Low: A Journey Into the Lives of 'Straight' Black Men Who Sleep with Men". Wow! Talk about blowing the whistle! I recall talking to a friend back in Ohio in November and she told me he came to my home city for a lecture and Q/A session. There was a lot of bitterness, fear, anger and shock from the virtually all black audience in attendance.
I personally recall watching a particular program by Rickie Lake (God! I can’t believe I’m admitting watching her show) when she had brothers on her program who were living the down low lifestyle. When those brothers explained what they were doing and why they were doing it, there was a gasp of shock and disbelief from the audience. When they panned the audience you could see the stunned and speechless “deer caught in the flood light” look on the faces of the blacks, especially the black women. One of the central themes these brothers asserted was the discrimination and fear they faced in the black community if somehow their lifestyle was discovered.
And I’m sure many of the female readers recall when Essence magazine published several pieces about the down-low phenomenon. But those revelations produced more “recriminations” than introspection. Some Essence letter writers were furious that the magazine dared broach the subject. One angry reader wrote: "A brother writes a book and goes on Oprah warning sisters about men who are infecting them with AIDS. This is pointing fingers at black men, who aren't the only people living on the down low…,".
I recall one reader who said: "How dare you print an article shaming our people? (the article) misrepresented the black male, and was repulsive and ignorant." There ya have it.
One more thing. The gay-bashing from black clergy continues unabated, as well. Eddie Long, a leading black minister in Atlanta, once staged a march to highlight his opposition to homosexuals and gay marriage. He attracted “thousands of black marchers”, including Bernice King, daughter of Martin Luther King Jr. Now I found this to be sadly ironic because her mother, Coretta Scott King, has been among the rare voices condemning black homophobia. Mrs. King once stated: "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood…" Once again, those are her words, not mine.
Bottom line is this, homophobia thrives on fear, hatred, secrets and lies. That's the sort of climate in which HIV thrives. This is something that black people must come to grips with. And everyone knows that AIDS is taking a devastating toll on blacks not only here in America but even more so in Africa. And denying that it exists (regardless of your own personal experiences) is the single most critical behavior that ensures its destructive consequences (AIDS and discrimination) will continue. E’nuff said.
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Serenasailor
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Mrs. Hart I meant that the black culture is very Homophobic. And if there was a Black Brokeback Mountain black ppl would not support it. Instead we would be ashamed of it,because we would see it as portraying our community negatively, and minimizing black masculinity. |
Abm
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'Vette,
I'm not interested in seeing films about gay Black menzes (I ain't gone even try to tell that lie about lesbians, though.). I don't have any problems with such films being made. But I feel about as much an obligation to watch them as I do to watch +95% of the OTHER crappy films that are released. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 05:17 pm: |
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Serenasailor,
I wouldn't support a Black Brokeback for the same reason why I wouldn't the current Brokeback: I don't do gay man porn.
And if I did, I would get it from where every other responsible, redblooded American get such: The Internet. |
Renata
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NTFS,
Isn't Desmond Tutu Catholic? Just curious.
Also, I remember that march in Atlanta. There was also a counter-march that I wish I could have participated in. |
Mrs_hart
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Stop saying "OUR" Serenasailor.
Every Black person does not think the same way.
I give you Clarence Thomas, Condolezza Rice and Armstrong Williams.
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Schakspir
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Post Number: 155
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"The black culture is extremely homophobic. Just listen to our music DEAR! I hear rappers all of the time talk about faggots and how they hate them. Also, go to any black church which is the cornerstone in the black community, and you will here them on any given Sunday condemn Homosexuals to hell. That is the reason why there are so many brothers on the D.L."
Fuck rap. That isn't black culture. Jews produce that shit, not us.
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Cynique
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Yeah, right. Jay Z. Goldberg and P. Diddy Shapiro and Suge Knight Lowenstein. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Schakspir wrote: "Fuck rap. That isn't black culture."
Good point.
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Cynique
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It is not black culture in its entirety, but Rap certainly reflects one facet of black culture as much as we would like to deny it. |
Abm
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How is what many GBLT's experience much different from that of many darkskinned Blacks, fat people, poor people, etc.?
Are GBLT people wholly denied jobs, housing, loans, pensions, etc.?
In order to have a productive discussion here, maybe somebody should define "homophobia".
I mean, are there plenty of Black foks who are bothered by homosexuality? Sure there is. But if you were to visit 100's of even the most conservative, traditional Black communities, you will find acceptance/love for gays/lesbians.
But the ONE things you'll observe in those communities is how OPEN and UPFRONT about their lifestyle GLBT'ers are. Some of them quite flamboyantly so.
Yes. Many GBLT'ers are regularly teased, slandered and even assaulted. And those who commit crimes against homosexuals should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And such acts should be condemned by the rest of us.
But PART of what empowers the nemesies of homosexuals is their REFUSAL to take a stand before the world and be/live as they choose to. The Devil thrives in the Dark.
Now. I concede that the HIV/AIDS issue greatly complicates the problem. But, again, if foks were being HONEST about who/what they are, EVERYBODY could make decisions and assume precautions that would be to ALL of our benefit.
Again. It's not being gay that's the biggest problem. It's being a coward.
PS: Many homosexuals are engaged in activities that are unacceptable for reasons OTHER than the issue of sexuality. THAT's largely why HIV/AIDS is such an enormous problem amongst Black people to begin with. But, to be fair, many HETEROSEXUALS are partaking in similarly harmful activities. |
Chrishayden
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How many gay people are killed by black people or strung up like that Matthew Shepard was.
Everything bad black people are the only ones doing it.
Hogwash! |
Cynique
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What is a GBLT? |
Abm
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GBLT - Gay, Bisexual, Lesbian and/or Transgendered. |
Cynique
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Chrishayden it is, after all, a cop-out to always justify the negative things blacks folks do by saying, "well, white folks do it too." The things white folks do to make themsleves look bad should be their concern, not ours. |
Chrishayden
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Cynique:
I wasn't saying that at all. If you can't name a gay person that was killed by a mob of black people you should admit it. It's not the end of the world because you are wrong. You are wrong quite often. Everyone who reads this board can attest to that.
Now on top of that. We had a movie about two WHITE men on the downlow. But in the mind of racists--and Cynique--this phenomenon only exists in the black community.
Read that again and see if that was what I was saying.
It is not a crime to wear glasses or use a magnifying glass if your eyesight is failing.
Of course if your brain is failing--I can't help you. |
Cynique
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Or have I EVER heard you admit to being wrong about ANYTHING, chrishayden. And in this case, you are certainly making your argument by putting your spin on what I said. And what a presumptuous ass you are to think that I would seek help from YOU. You are the last person in the world, I would turn to if my brain or anything else was failing. You'd exacerbate the condition by throwing a tantrum because I don't inflate your ego by reinforcing your narrow-minded, partisan views. |
Blklitreader
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Ntfs_encryption posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 04:09 pm:
One more thing. Thegay-bashing from black clergy continues unabated, as well. Eddie Long,a leading black minister in Atlanta, once staged a march to highlighthis opposition to homosexuals and gay marriage. He attracted “thousandsof black marchers”, including Bernice King, daughter of Martin LutherKing Jr.
I remember reading online, the march had several major components, and one of which was advocating "a constitutional amendment to fully protect marriage between one man and one woman". But, why are those who think ministers shouldn't preach against homosexuality, don't also think they shouldn't preach against a host of other sins, in their religious text? Why is this one issue always the exception, when there is a discussion of homosexuality, sin and the church? Should a self-professed thief be allowed to count the weekly offerings and tithes, in the back room alone, just because God made them that way? Or should the ministers not preach against lying, cheating, gossiping, etc ..., just because God made those people that way? |
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I remember reading online, the march had several major components, and one of which was advocating "a constitutional amendment to fully protect marriage between one man and one woman". But, why are those who think ministers shouldn't preach against homosexuality, don't also think they shouldn't preach against a host of other sins, in their religious text? Why is this one issue always the exception, when there is a discussion of homosexuality, sin and the church? Should a self-professed thief be allowed to count the weekly offerings and tithes, in the back room alone, just because God made them that way? Or should the ministers not preach against lying, cheating, gossiping, etc ..., just because God made those people that way?
Take that psuedo-religious bullshyt and go somewhere else. Obviously, religion ain't doing black folk that much good. With all of the problem that are still in the black community. Most of which might I add are being committed by black heterosexuals. |
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