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Mrs_hart
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Username: Mrs_hart
Post Number: 107
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 07:21 pm: | 
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Wilson Pickett
Lou Rawls passed away this month. Wilson Pickett died yesterday. Like the other great artists of their generation, both men started as gospel singers. It is not a coincidence that they were able to sing from their souls.
Artists who came from gospel never lost their ability to convey a spirituality. They may not have sung about scripture, they may have even lived sordid personal lives like Sam Cooke, but their spirituality came through in every song.
We now have a generation of artists who don't know their craft, who have no true passion. It shows. That is why I can't listen to them.
Rest in peace Wilson Pickett
http://www.history-of-rock.com/wilson_pickett.htm
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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1754
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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Mrs_hart:
C'mon. You ain't old enough to remember Lou Rawls and Wilson Pickett--and if you are I always figured you for a Perry Como woman! |
Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 110
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 12:15 pm: |
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Then the next question would be: Who is Perry
Como and how do you know him? |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 109
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He was a womderful artist that will be greatly missed. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 1759
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 11:12 am: |
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<<Mrs_hart--I could answer that question by saying that I know all things--but the truth is that I grew up in the 50's and he was all over tv and the radio.
Perry Como
http://www.perrycomo.net/
Enjoy you MOR music lover you! |
Mrs_hart
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Username: Mrs_hart
Post Number: 124
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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Chrishayden, I'm sorry but I LOVE MY SOUL MUSIC.
Can't get into Perry Como and such.
Did hear some cool Bossa Nova by Stan Getz at Barnes and Nobles tonight though.
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Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 05:13 pm: |
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Mrs. Hart wrote: "We now have a generation of artists who don't know their craft, who have no true passion. It shows. That is why I can't listen to them."
You are right on the money! Couldn’t have said it better. Anyone who has studied or personally witnessed the history of true black music will tell you the soulful tradition of Otis Redding, Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson, Ruth Brown, Chuck Jackson, Bobby Womack or Jerry Butler, no longer exists as a dominate genre of black music. There was a time when anyone hoping to have a career in the music industry had to possess a “minimum” of one of three things. One, you had to be able to sing. It did not matter if you were a gifted vocalist like a Sarah Vaughn or Kathleen Battle or a stylist like Nina Simone, Carmen McRae or Al Green, you had to be able to sing.
Number two, you had to be able to play an instrument. Whether you were a gifted player like Art Tatum, Charlie Parker Wes Montgomery or Art Blakey or an innovator whose ideas transcended technical proficiently like Ornette Coleman or Cecil Taylor, you had to be able to play an instrument to get a gig. And you had to “master” your instrument.
Three, you had to be able to compose music or write complex lyrics like Irvin Berlin, Duke Ellington and Billy Strayhorn, William Grant Still, George Gershwin or Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff. I see none of the aforementioned genius and musical proficiency in today’s popular black music.
Since none of three requirements I listed are relevant to success in the music industry today, how in the hell are so many marginal and untrained people making money in the music industry? Very simple. Corporate America has mastered the art of illusion and deception. The music moguls and the recording industry gurus have made a science out of marketing and promoting the mediocre.
People who are so called music stars and artists today would not have been allowed in the “parking lot” of a recording studio twenty five or thirty years ago. But thanks to advances in high end technology and skilled marketing/promotional wizards, even the most talent less (can’t sing, can’t play any instruments and can’t compose music or write complex lyrics) can make money in today’s clueless music culture.
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Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 153
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 08:44 am: |
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I have a young nephew who would go quiet everytime he heard love songs from the 70's. We all knew what it was about. There was an expression of emotion and love that young men today don't know how to go about expressing. The softness and soulfullness of today's young men is supposed to be snuffed out and hidden.
I was recently asked by another young relative, why music today is not like that of old.
I explained to her that music evolves and changes.
She obviously liked how artist used to express themselves whole-heartedly in song----ones that actually TOLD A STORY.
They expressed this whether it was soul music or jazz. It seemed to engage them spiritually, emotionally and artistically. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3561
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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Not all Rappers are entirely oblivious to quality. Many of them sample R&B hits from the past on their cuts. And there are a lot of hip-hop artists who include soulful ballads on their albums. We also still have a couple of young jazz divas around in the person of Jill Scott and Diane Reeves. All is not lost. |
Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 169
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 07:30 am: |
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A young friend of mine is buying the ORIGINALS and enjoying it. Everytime he gets a new CD with the original artist that some rapper has copied, he blurts out "So and so STOLE this from them!"
I laugh and told him "We got the WHOLE thing, while the younger generation ONLY gets a sample!"
I love Beyonce---all of that glamour and POW!
Alicia Keyes is here for the long haul.
Mostly, I don't like the dribble they're singing about. It's all so repetitive---as has been confirmed by my young relatives.
I have a young female relative who is ACTUALLY scared of rap music. All the harshness and brutality turns her off. I'm glad, because I don't want to hear it myself.
I love Jazz and KEM! |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 143
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 04:51 pm: |
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Cynique wrote: Not all Rappers are entirely oblivious to quality. Many of them sample R&B hits from the past on their cuts. And there are a lot of hip-hop artists who include soulful ballads on their albums.
### That’s one of many problems with most rappers. THEY DUPE AND SAMPLE OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC! But this is to be expected since they do not have the natural skills of music and lyrical composition, instrument proficiency and talent and the natural ability to carry a tune. Everything they do is the result of music technology and the advances in digital technology. The natural skills and talent that once made American black music the most creative and complex is missing. Yes, you can make the argument of the proliferation of independent successful black entrepreneurial rappers (which I do admire) and its adoption across all geographical, cultural and racial boundaries. But it still lacks the irrefutable talent and individuality of its predecessors.
We also still have a couple of young jazz divas around in the person of Jill Scott and Diane Reeves. All is not lost.
### Uhhhhhh…that’s not quite true. Dianne Reeves is a jazz vocal diva (I love her singing although I’m not too excited about her commercial efforts) but she is not a member of the “young divas” you have suggested. In 1987, Reeves was the first vocalist signed to the reactivated Blue Note/EMI label (I advise anyone to research and listen to the hundreds of classic recordings on this wonderful label that began in 1939). As a result of her unique R&B and jazz styling, Reeves has since captured a huge following and tremendous acclaim throughout the world. But she was born in 1956 in Detroit, Michigan. That hardly qualifies her as a member of the X-Generation of current rappers and vocalists. However, Gil Scott is a rightful member of young vocalists that you suggested. She is not a jazz singer (e.g. Betty Carter, Sarah Vaughn, Carmen McRae, Ella Fitzgerald, Nancy Wilson, Billie Holiday, Shirley Horn, et al) although she utilizes a lot of jazz based instrumental riffs and beats in her music. I personally have all her recordings and I think she is a wonderful artist.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3598
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 08:16 pm: |
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Each generation has a music style that distinguished it from the previous ones. It's not a sin that present-day performers don't duplicate the past. The past of is the realm of the classics. The present is the what reflects fresh trends. BTW, Queen Latifah occasionally ventures into the jazz genre. Bottom line, I'm sure you'll agree that good music is good music. (Thanks for the background on Diane Reeves.) |
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