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THIS IS FOR SHAKSPIR...one of our
weaker males who claims I'm insane.
Racism, Colorism and Power
By Larry D. Crawford (Mwalimu A. Bomani Baruti)
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Larry D. Crawford has been an Assistant Professor of Sociology at Morehouse College since 1991, and has been recognized for his dedication to students and community alike. He serves as the advisor to numerous student organizations at Morehouse College as well as other institutions in the Atlanta University Center.
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Most of us would have little to no problem agreeing that the range of color Afrikan people possess is awesome. Black, in all its splendid hues, is indeed beautiful. It should also go without saying, that this variation is useless as an index for judging individual beauty, intelligence, aspirations and the like. One’s complexion is intrinsically irrelevant to any and all of these qualities.
Yet we practice the European model of a racial hierarchy. And, having adopted it, any value we believe we independently, consciously or not, attach to different complexions in our community is merely a pathetic imitation of its racist beliefs at the societal level. So, in this new age of consciousness raising it must be realized that we cannot embrace a color-based hierarchy among Afrikans without, at some level, accepting as truth a hierarchy of color among humans. There is no denying that the social organization of our community along lines of color precisely mimics the order fabricated by white supremacy. Black America (Afrikans) serves as a classic microcosm in white supremacy’s global macrocosm. The only appreciable difference is that we "discriminate" without power.
Therefore, since in fact we are guilty of complicity, one of the most fundamental questions we need to answer is why it is so critically important to some in our midst that we not discuss the skin tone stratification that does in fact exist in our community. Why is it that even the most intelligent exchange we have about how we perceive and treat each other individually, as a reaction to others’ reaction against how much pigment the Creator gave us collectively, is considered taboo or "airing our dirty laundry," even among ourselves? There is nothing wrong with range in complexion, or in liking your complexion wherever it may fall along that range. That should be a given. The problem is in the heavy and almost exclusive fascination with one end of that spectrum, the end perceived as closest to the European.
The almost immediate response when opening this already tender wound again is, "Why do we have to go there?" "Why are we dealing with a dead issue?" The assumption is that if we don’t talk about it it will somehow just go away. Essential to this acquiescence is the belief that everyone, especially Europeans deep down in their hearts, if we just patiently show them how by setting a nonviolent moral example, wants race to become irrelevant. In other words, if we state that we bear no identity other than human, we will by default become this in practice and eventually reality. That is an attitude of the vanquished from fear, from ignorance. For as Bobby E. Wright warned negroes, negroettes and other lost souls, "It is pathological for blacks to keep attempting to use moral suasion on a people who have no morality where race is the variable." What really happens when we won’t talk about it, when it is left to fester, is that it gains power among those individuals who have a vested interest in not discussing it because they tend to benefit disproportionately from it (be they others or some of us falling at the overemphasized end of the spectrum or hungrily lapping up the crumbs given to them for maintaining divisions among their own). Political silence from the dispossessed always strengthens those privileged by the status quo.
Ignoring it will not make it go away. It never has. It never will. If history teaches us anything, it demonstrates when things that can harm us are intentionally ignored they will eventually return with a vengeance on those arrogant, fearful or even careless enough to dismiss them. Universal law does not allow us to perpetually sweep pain under a rug. It accumulates until there is too much to be contained. Then, it returns like "chickens coming home to roost."
But first, before we engage each other in any meaningful discussion of this issue, we must sort out and clarify our definitions. Colorism, not racism, is the correct term for describing the prejudices that Afrikans hold about each other and seemingly use against or to the advantage of themselves and others of relatively similar complexion.
In this respect, prejudice, which is an attitude, a way of thinking, must be distinguished from discrimination, which necessarily involves action. An attitude or thought is without power unless acted upon. Colorism, in the cultural context of group power, is an attitude. This article is couched in terms of power. There is no meaningful discussion of the individual or group without a central and causative focus on real indicators of power for the individual or group relative to other individuals and groups. This is not a discussion of influence because no matter how measured it is a function of power. Without the perceived potential threat of enforcement through an exercise of retaliatory power, influence is meaningless and, in fact, laughable. In the European cultural context, influence without the perception of a sufficient power base is ignored.
In the white supremacist cultural context of European society, Afrikans have never been in the position to exercise power against Europeans based on the color of their skin. Colorism is reflected in intragroup interaction. It occurs within a group. It operates at the level of family. Racism, on the other hand, has nothing to do with family. It regulates the distribution of resources between two or more groups through the actual or threatening use of power. It occurs in the intergroup arena and is unquestionably, viewed through the telling lens of history, the natural posture of Europeans toward Afrikans and every other people with color.
...racism [is] discrimination by a group against another for the purposes of subjugation or maintaining subjugation. In other words one cannot be a racist unless he has the power to subjugate. What blacks are doing is merely to respond to a situation in which they find themselves the objects of white racism.
Racism is a European manufacture. They planted and cultivated it everywhere they went. It is a tool of white supremacy that elevates the European and creates oppression and antagonistic infighting among the remaining disempowered population. Their first institutionalization of racism occurred in India but, of course, did not end there. In that they are global trespassers, it is a global phenomenon. They were and remain its carriers. Racism continues to be replicated wherever they "discover" new, untamed frontiers and "uncivilized" peoples. It remains constant in those places where they have physically departed but remain absentee resource controllers.
That racism, however defined, has finally come to be conceded by European intellectuals and their audience as a permanent social fixture should not be news to us. The power it gives the beneficiaries of white supremacy should never have been thought to be relinquished easily, if at all. Racism is not logical. It is not susceptible to moral reason. It can not and will not be peacefully negotiated away.
Consequently, to keep the thin veneer of racial harmony intact, racism’s definition has been modified to exonerate its source. New world order everyone-should-love-each-other-and-forgive-and-forget-what-they-systematically-and-savagely-did-to-our-ancestors-and-still-do-to-us-because-we’re-all-human propaganda is designed to make us feel that they are being unfairly accused and victimized. Racism and colorism have become purposefully entangled to the point where, "by making racism everyone’s disease, you make it incurable...the universalization of blame implies that people of color must suffer discrimination without hope of escape."
By this switch, this redefinition, it is made to seem as if we do it to ourselves. We become the source, the culprit, the lone, unprovoked perpetrator. We become the initiators. We become racism’s history. Europeans no longer play any part beyond being members of a human family where everybody is naturally as racist as they have proven themselves to be.
We must learn that political definitions are created by people to benefit themselves. They serve self-interested agendas. From an Afrikan centered perspective, we must define racism, as a homegrown byproduct of white supremacy.
We must make the best use of our most profound and historically grounded warrior scholars in our definitions. As an example of this need, accepting the basic mainstream Western social science definitions of nuclear families as having both a wife and husband with possibly one or more children and extended families as containing no less than two adult couples with one or more children and possibly other relatives inevitably leads us to masochistically define our own families as abnormal and dysfunctional. Equally damaging, any submission to their newfangled definition of racism bestows innocence upon them except for a few bad apples, leaving those of us who apperceive white supremacy in the unenviable position of being labeled vindictive, spiteful social misfits, "unable to just let it go" and just let it disappear through silence.
Racism must be defined by Afrikans in terms of our historical relationship to Europeans’ centuries old festival of "death, destruction and domination." It must be defined as a function of power. It must become recognized for what it is, a function of the perception of the probability of a threat or actual exercise of power by Europeans against Afrikans. There must be a record of unprovoked, unnecessary, excessive killing. The racist must be known and feared for killing for nothing. Without power, racism cannot exist. It would blow away like the dust of a disintegrated corpse.
The social ranking of people by skin tone within the Afrikan community requires serious, open and ongoing discussion as to its roots, manifestations and tenacity because it continuously feeds divisive political relations, particularly along class and gender lines. Colorism intensifies the intragroup antagonisms already aggravated by infighting over a limited number of discarded political and economic crumbs. The proverbial divide and conquer strategy endures because it is nursed, not because we have nothing in common.
Here are some mental exercises that, with honest reflection, can help bring this common confusion over what different points along the complexion range consciously and subconsciously imply closer to home.
Imagine on different but very similar busy streets, two Afrikan women of comparable appearance (weight, height, hair length and texture, attire, mannerisms, nails, facial features, smile, etc.), except one is dark complexioned and the other much lighter, are stranded with car problems. Who will, in all real probability, receive the most, and most immediate, assistance from Afrikan males? From any males?
And as a related aside brothers, why is it that every time most brothers see a crowd of sisters, our eyes are immediately drawn to the one with the lightest skin? Don’t deny before you think. This is not an accusation. Some mistakenly call this evidence of good social training.
When you go to a party no one blindfolds you at the door, has you point your index finger straight out, spins you around, and whoever you are pointing at when you stop turning is who you bump and grind with. Do you honestly and intelligently take the time to find out what’s in her head and heart before detailing her form? Don’t deny. Check yourself ‘cause nothing is wrong with her. She had no say over the way she was born. Don’t say "not me" until you take the time to really think about it. Now that you’ve given it some thought, when we do this which brain is thinking? The grey one, the color-ranking white supremacist one, or the other one (or some combination thereof)?
Why do the teacher’s pets of today have the same complexion and features as they did 20, 40 60, 80, 100 years ago? Even after the "Say It Loud I’m Black and I’m Proud" 1960s it is still a constant. Why do the sisters we tend to consider the "finest" and "phatest" today have the same complexion and features as they did 20, 40 60, 80, 100 years ago? Why do Afrikans still prefer to live in predominantly European communities? And, why do Afrikan Catholic congregations still prefer more than any other denomination to have a European preaching from their pulpits?
Something this pervasive and internalized is a function of European cultural imperatives, of a rating system excreted from the bowels of white supremacy. And are those of us who are so enraged at Europeans favoring those Afrikans they found more aesthetically pleasing that you have developed the ability to "black out," to despise, to resent, those sisters any better? The Universe chose their complexion, not Europeans. Further, there is no correlation between level of melanin and consciousness, only level of melanin and access to the master’s crumbs in this culture. And privilege in European society is still the European’s choice. Revolutionary brothers and sisters would rather inspect and check the colorism poisoning their minds than be governed by superficial physical endowments.
Can you picture a black angel, blue black from the sole of her sandals to the crest of her halo? Can you truly visualize that? For many of us, the only possible conclusion is that this is the Angel of Death. Yet, assuming you believe heaven is a place, we must have ancestors there somewhere with the darkest of skin. Either that or you have bought into the descendants of Ham absurdity. So why are Afrikan angels so hard to visualize? A wise person would have to know that the Angel of Death has proven himself to be anything but Afrikan.
Coincidentally, why does the general complexion become darker and darker when you travel from upper to middle to lower class Afrikan communities? Why is it that most homeless men are dark complexioned? Why do we become affectively shocked or disturbed at the sight of a light complexioned homeless man? Why does the former seem more natural and the latter utterly out of place? Why is it that most homeless women are also dark complexioned? But, most importantly, are these observations proof of the validity of eugenics (scientific racism) theories tying greater intelligence and drive with less color? Or is something else at play here?
Could anything cause Afrikans to go into debt for cosmetic surgeries that broaden their noses and lips, tighten their curls or darken their eyes? In all probability, no. Don’t be that confused, small mind who hurts his or her brain trying to find that one, or two, European female actresses who supposedly call this vastly disproportionate truth into question by trying to dred her hair or implant plastic in her behind. Don’t follow the path of those mental midgets who claim racial equality has been reached in capital punishment because the one or two European males they searched so hard for who were executed by the state for killing Afrikans somehow balances the thousands of Afrikan males accused of lesser crimes and murdered by the state and it’s mobs. Would an entrepreneur make any money selling products that would make us more "Afrikan" looking as compared to one who offers a product that physically changed us into Nordics or Celtics? If color and features are of no importance and preference is in no particular direction, then why does the vast majority of cosmetic surgery performed on Afrikans make them appear more European? Why the desperate emphasis on thinness; thinner noses, thinner lips, thinner thighs, thinner hips, lesser curl, lighter colored eyes?
The propagated ideal woman is necessarily unnatural. She is as far from the average human female as European culture can possibly make her. The farther she is from natural, the greater the potential profits for a business community that thrives on leading people to want and be what they do not have and are not. The goal is to consistently make the abnormal, unnatural, unaverage desirable and turn that want into a need. The goal is to turn people outside of themselves, to remove all vestiges of internal and communal control or guidance, and plug them into an externally controlled market. You could call it market terrorism. Individuals are driven to comply with commercial pressures to be socially accepted while at the same time they are kept disoriented as to the progressive direction of market fabricated needs allowing any new and improved product to become their most important priority.
If it really doesn't matter, as the so-called authorities posing as Black talk show hosts assure us, why go only in a whitening direction? If "beauty" is a quality found among all people, and Europeans represent less than 10% of the world’s population and, therefore, less than 10% of all natural beauty, why are the physical disfigurations people of color seek almost universally one-way, the way of the "perfect" European model?
Skin whitening products still disgrace African American homes. In 1990 $44 million was spent on skin bleaching products in this country. The amount increases yearly. From here, its use has spread across the planet like a contagion. As a "beneficiary" of European cultural imperialism, it is no surprise that our motherland’s urban population seems to welcome these menticidal products with open arms. Surgical procedures offering to even more rapidly and permanently transform black into white are attracting consumers left and right from Cape Town to Tunis. Marketed primarily to women who have the triple disadvantage of being Afrikan, poor and female, these operations leave their skin melaninless. Doctors have found that this literally kills it. They are finding that without the melanin this new and improved, i.e., white, skin no longer heals naturally. Wounds seem to take forever to heal, if they ever do.
Think about it. If Michael Jackson really had a skin disease that left splotches of lightened skin, why didn’t he simply take the less costly and more logical route of simply darkening those splotches to match the rest of his skin instead of lightening the majority of his unblemished skin to match the abnormalities? If you even had the slightest idea of who you are that would make sense. One has to question the use of anti-blemish concoctions as "only" blemish removers, unless the blemish is the entire body. Some refer to it as "the bleaching syndrome" – an obsession with turning oneself white. Is there even a reason to ask why, even after being publicly exposed, the leading Afrikan cosmetic producer still suggests makeup bases lighter than the women they are used on?
One more thought to invoke more thought. If language is without power and color is irrelevant, why is there a distinct and intensely different emotional response associated with being called a black nigga versus a plain ol’ nigga, a black bitch versus an ordinary one? Why is one fighting words and the other a term of endearment?
By now, we should be sick and tired of people arguing that their color was a genetic accident, or that they just happen to be Black or that it makes no difference whether you are Black or white and, therefore, that race is a nonissue, that we should forget about it and go on about the business of success. People say they don’t want to be called Black or Afrikan using the excuse that it is limiting. It’s interesting that to say you’re white is not. When your validation comes from Europeans rather than being who and what you naturally are, you can never measure up. Duh! You are not European! In a white supremacist culture you necessarily must deny yourself in order to succeed.
But having a historically conscious Afrikan center allows one to knowingly respond to such insanity with, "Since when has being Afrikan prevented anyone’s ascension?" Why have we come to believe that pursuing the will of our ancestors consigns us to mental and material poverty? If success is an individual, and/or group, choice whenever, wherever and under whatever conditions you find yourself, then there is an absolute truth in the instruction that
before a person can achieve the kind of life he desires, he must become that kind of individual. He must think, act, talk, walk, and conduct himself in all of his affairs as would the person he wishes to become -- in the spirit of a right mental attitude. He is then actually that person, and the things that person would have and do will naturally come to him. (Italics in original)
There must be a reason we are urged to "structure your world in such a way that you are constantly reminded of who you are and what you want to be."
Color is accidental to success as considered in the context of this discussion. But not in the way European culture would have us think. None is better qualified than Gwendolyn Brooks to admonish us in this respect that, "black people who want above all things not to be black are the most pitiable and comical people in the world." Race men and women have always guided us in the Afrikan Way. Would it be incorrect to contend that Fannie Lou Hamer, Malcolm X (El Hajj Malik el Shabazz), Drusilla Houston, Gil Scott-Heron, Kwame Ture, Ida B. Wells, Queen Mother Moore, Martin R. Delaney, Marcus Garvey and Ella Baker were not both Afrikan and successful?
This does not mean that in this aging European world order race is no longer relevant. Biological differences in color continue to be used as white supremacy’s primary justification for asserting racial differences in morality, intelligence, beauty and aspiration. Many of us are still plagued by that menticidal insanity. A recent National Opinion Research Center survey exemplifies this. It disclosed that "53.2 percent [of whites] thought blacks were "less intelligent" than them. What should have been no surprise to most of us about the thought of natural white supremacist was frustrated by the statistic that "30 percent of the blacks surveyed agreed." Obviously, some very serious confusion remains.
Contrary to popular belief, we are not our own worst enemy. Although, we have often behaved as colorist as Europeans have been racist. However, we are talking in the tense of what has been, not what can be. As the future vanguard, we must begin the process of intelligently and interactively dismantling this vehicle of cultural imperialism. It cannot be done without scientific and historical understanding. One of the reasons that Ossie Davis served as narrator of the movie "X" was because he attempted to expose the oppositional nature of black and white which formed a basis for white supremacy. What Malcolm did with the dictionary in jail he, too, did in a scholarly and published article. They both found that the vast majority of terms indicating black or dark connoted bad or evil while those synonymous with white or light symbolized good or virtue.
Language a is very powerful tool. When oral or written symbols are reinforced through entertainment, education and religion, it becomes even more potent. Words communicate meanings that are commonly understood by all participants or they cannot stand as a method for conveying meaning or order. The subconscious, symbolic reality which people speak into existence facilitates the exercise of power or reveals impotence. Words, also, are made into allies or enemies. Our unspoken awareness of the European meanings behind the symbols we use demonstrates a willing consumption of a racist reference group’s seductive culture. The language we ape reveals our not so blind endorsement of another’s self-benefitting cultural definitions about color, ours relative to their lack of it.
The proof of our acceptance of others’ definitions is too great to ignore or attribute to chance. But one remains a noteworthy classic. Half a century ago, Mamie and Kenneth Clark's study clearly demonstrated our seemingly natural love for Europeans. Their study has been repeated several times since with very similar results. And, regardless of minor methodological flaws, there is something to be learned from them. The question it proves that still needs to be asked is, "Why would Afrikan children all over the world die to be European like Barbie and Ken?" as so well articulated in novels like Toni Morrison's The Bluest Eye. Why is self-hate a rite of passage into Afrikan adulthood?
Looked at from another angle, a number of European students were asked if they woke up to find they were Afrikan what amount of money would they feel was just compensation. The size of the amount, and even acknowledgment that reparations would be appropriate, indicates that Europeans know the severe social and cultural disadvantage of having black skin in western society. The level this awareness may be subconsciously embedded is irrelevant. Their poor little rich white man’s feelings are not at stake here. Does the innocent Afrikan man just sentenced to "twenty to life" really give a damn if the judge is only subconsciously racist? Europeans understand what they have done to the minds of Afrikans. It should come as no surprise that
...most [of the white students] seemed to feel that it would not be out of place to ask for $50 million, or $1 million for each coming black year. And this calculation conveys, as well as anything, the value that white people place on their own skins. Indeed, to be white is to possess a gift whose value can be appreciated only after it has been taken away. And why ask so large a sum? Surely this needs no detailing. The money would be used, as best it could, to buy protections from the discriminations and dangers white people know they would face once they were perceived to be black.
We would be remiss if the question of who does colorism benefit was not posed. As Afrikans we need to assess just how our fighting over scarce crumbs translate into limited power for us and benefits others. Peace is not profitable to exploiters. And masses, organized along whatever lines, are always a grave threat to any real, core exploiting class. They understand our power. We must be made to waste it fighting each other. We must be made to think that anything that creates tension within our ranks is of our manufacture. Remember when Afrikan men lashed out at Afrikan women writers when Afrikan "male-bashing" novels became glorified in the media? We did this without realizing that European males wittingly controlled this imbalanced presentation or considering the number of female bashing novels Afrikan men wrote. We must be kept isolated from our power.
Power comes from self-love. Self-love comes from historical awareness and political organization. Part of that awareness is derived from studying the choices made in our ancestors’ societies. Read pages 163-174 in Erriel D. Roberson’s The Maafa & Beyond. And, then, get busy.
Yes, we can go back in time and find in some a preference for lighter skin women. But, then again, we find in some very dark women or brown women or small women or large women or short women or tall women most desired. But nowhere and at no time do we find the extensive, intensive invidious, destructive intragroup antagonisms based on differences in pigment as are found wherever Europeans have defiled this planet.
A quite insightful example is Brazil. As the nation with the second largest national population of Afrikans on the planet, Brazil stands out most because of the covert "whitening" programs its judicial and law enforcement systems implemented to improve their reputation among Europeans as a choice tourist attraction. They have successfully lowered the melanin content of their visible population. Dark skinned children have become as undesirable there as homeless Afrikan men in Chicago, Atlanta, D.C., L.A., and everywhere else in the u.s. Mass graves of dark skinned boys, courtesy of the police, are so common that they no longer have any shock or ratings value in the Brazilian media. At the same time, Europeans’ awareness of their zero population growth rate and efforts to delay their impending fall by endearing tomorrow’s majority world leadership has reignited their unique practice of stealing the lightest complexioned kids and placing them with European families throughout Europe and the u.s.
Is colorism new? Of course not. It’s almost as old as the word negro. In the u.s. we voluntarily, systematically, overtly and unashamedly pass down this same nonsense through everything from children’s clubs to fraternities to sororities to schools to churches to political offices to businesses. It is a sad commentary on our self-hate and pathological denial of it that we still speak of and prefer "good" hair. No wonder an incredible number of us are still driven to "pass" for European and hide among them.
As of the year 1950, the defectors had soared to 12,000 per annum. By 1980 the yearly tally was 17,000. If that number held steady during the 1980s – conceivably it was greater – then during that decade alone, some 170,000 persons abandoned Black identity and the Black American community. Even a conservative estimate would place those who slipped away to pass for white in the sixty years from 1930 to 1990, at some 630,000.
Anything but to be Afrikan.
Many Afrikans in the u.s. also still want to see themselves as distinct from Continental Afrikans. They use complexion and feature differences, some stooping so low as to include odor, following the arrogant lead of their masters who had to learn to bathe from the Moors, as an excuse to further sever themselves from any Afrikan bloodlines. In the effort to define themselves as nonAfrikan, i.e., moving with all due haste to remove the African from African American, they have done all in their power to conceal our rape. Interestingly enough, this is behavior common to rape survivors. In a last ditch effort to identify with the master, centuries of rape are intellectualized and transformed into love.
Rape is an act of war. In a nonsexist, righteous world, there should be no statute of limitations on rape. Since when do rapists qualify for the honor of ancestorship? To accept European ancestors is to deny our Afrikan ancestors.
At what point would a succession of rapes qualify a European to be one of your ancestors? Succession here means something done over and over and over again, with forethought and malice. Enslaved Afrikan women had little choice, short of murder-suicide, about exchanging sex to feed their children or secure mercy for their men. Why should the real superfreaks who biologically and culturally defiled, desecrated and defaced us through enslavement, colonization, neoslavery and neocolonization deserve to be honored in this most sacred way? Europeans are not our ancestors. Even within the Afrikan community, elder or ancestor is a status that has to be earned. And now we want to reward the rapist as ancestor.
Understanding that, understand this. Rape can be consensual. Eurocentric theorists submit that that which occurred between slaves and masters, European jewish women and their Nazi tormentors, those kidnaped and their kidnappers are worthy examples of consensual rape. However, that whole discussion is irrelevant unless the European’s definition of consensual is considered within the context of his overwhelming aggression as the enslaver.
Rape was a fact of life on the plantations. At any time and in any place, female slaves were subject to the drunken or abusive sexual advances of a master, an overseer, a neighbor, or a master’s son. Few Black women reached the age of sixteen without having been molested by a White male.
...children had to watch their mothers being raped. Consider the scars that this leaves on a child. As impressionable as children are, for a child to watch or hear a parent being raped has to leave an emotional imprint in the memory that is damaging for a lifetime. One also must know the trauma a woman suffers through when she is raped...Our African sisters had to deal not just with the single harmful experience of being raped, but were repeatedly and randomly raped by ravenous enslavers...Additionally, husbands had to watch the repeated sexual abuse of their wives and fathers watched the repeated rape of their daughters. This had to be an emasculating experience. The aspect of manhood defined by one’s ability to protect his family was taken away.
Love is truly blind. You can fall in love with a dog, or sheep as many a European has apparently done. What Thomas Jefferson repeatedly did to Sally Hemings only has meaning within the context of a terrorizing oppression. Did she have a choice? What probably would have happened had she refused his "loving" advances. Was the probable image of her rapist as "god" a choice on her part? No matter their historian’s latest lies, Thomas and Sally were not equal trading partners.
"The key to this understanding is, of course, in the fact that the kinds of questions asked predetermine the type of answers possible." European scholars and their minority clones who fabricate a humane enslaver and overemphasize the relative importance of enslaved men raping enslaved women and extend this relationship into today are also helping to absolve the master’s behavior by highlighting that of his captives. While under any circumstances rape is unconscionable, the sexual exploitation of powerless female slaves by powerless male slaves is quantitatively different from that performed on Afrikan women by unrelenting, sex crazed European males. This is not about sexism. Sexist patriarchy is as innate to western culture as racism is. We must come to understand
...the diabolical nature of those who are aware that what they believe is a lie and what they do is wrong, but use lies and psychological manipulation to damage the minds of other people. The individuals who spread misinformation and cause psychological damage intentionally, fully aware of what they are doing, are different from those who are psychologically damaged. The agent of this psychosis is worse than those whose minds are poisoned to believe racist ideas and act upon them...This is a sickness of a different kind.
The propaganda overemphasizing the role of the enslaved during the Maafa helps normalize and overshadow the despicable deeds of the plantocracy and lesser European males. It gives the impression that enslaved Afrikan men collaborated with their "friend," the economically compelled but otherwise decent European male, in the terrorism and subjugation of Afrikan women. It is simply another instance of universalizing an extreme European behavior to induce the appearance of innocence and rationalize as uncontrollable the influence of capitalism over an otherwise morally and ethically upstanding people.
Another idea, defensively wormed into the colorism debate, that the range in color found among Afrikans is the result of slaves being harvested from all over the Afrikan continent, is also misleading, distracting and untrue. Research clearly and unequivocally proves that the Afrikans enslaved and raped by Europeans almost exclusively came from the western region of middle Afrika. Further, when discussing complexion in general, a survey of the range of color on the Continent shows that today, like four centuries ago, most Afrikans who are of lighter complexion are the result of the infusion of European and Arabian blood and primarily reside in the southern and northern most regions. Most slaves were of dark complexion. Even if this were not proven fact it would be common sense given the visual evidence. Have you seen pictures of light complexioned Afrikans in chains in route to the Americas? This inquiry also commonsensically applies to depictions of slave auctions, the enslaved in the fields who greatly outnumbered the "house slaves" as well as a significant number of the free Afrikans who were merely 1.6% of the population as counted near the end of slavery.
Finally in this discussion of family relations, those using the endearing excuse that most Afrikans have at least one drop of European blood as an indication of a natural genetic basis for racial harmony tend to seek a biological justification for their already greater attachment to Europeans than Afrikans. If anything, the recognition of rape’s pervasiveness and viciousness should provide the basis for revolutionary thinking. Forgiveness is not the problem. Forgetfulness is.
All of this discussion points us toward the Afrikan Way. The artificial and imposed skin tone distinctions brought about through the rape of Afrikan women by European men represent the model of divisiveness among Afrikans and complimentary imitation of the European racial hierarchy that we seek to destroy and redefine along Afrikan lines of family. We can not afford to allow our children to participate in and pass on this menticidal nonsense. It must stop now, with us. Nyabinga.
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Larry D. Crawford has been an Assistant Professor of Sociology at Morehouse College since 1991, and has been recognized for his dedication to students and community alike. He serves as the advisor to numerous student organizations at Morehouse College as well as other institutions in the Atlanta University Center.
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I love our colors in America, Brazil or elsewhere.
Being dark-skinned and sounding like Bull Connor or Lester Maddox is another way of continuing hatred towards those of African descent and continuing the orginal genocidic plan.
Like Malcolm X and millions of other blacks who shouted "I'm black and I'm proud!" ---I condemn black on black foolishness.
I will not abandon African Americans because the program---any program of the continuation of conquering and dividing us is still on and in flavor.
I stand with our rainbow children now and forever, because we have always stood together.
What happened to us during slavery and Jim Crow made us stronger and united.
Our black and rainbow children shocked evil white supremecy with out boldness and our belief in our ownselves.
All of us held the other up.
Black don't crack....especially those with a black conscienceousness.
American blacks are the BEST of all Africans because we let NO ONE divide us. We stood together and had each other's backs.
If you open the book of Black History, you will see ALL OF US represented.
Some people are playing a game. Remember that and you will always find the one's who are for real and the one's just playing a POLITICAL game.
Beware of the Trojan Horses.
King and Malcolm did not hate the rainbow that is Black America. If they had, we would not be the mighty black people that we are---still standing.
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Cynique
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I agree with your one word assessment of the professor's article, schakspir. "Trite" says it all; not one original thought expressed. Just a sugar tit for kola and her crowd to suck on. |
Nels
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Post Number: 206
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Mr. Crawford (uh Mwalimu A. Bomani Baruti) sounds like he came home from Trick-O-Treating with a bag full of Prozac. After popping it all down his throat and chasing it with a quart of spiked goat milk, he still can't explain away why dark(er) skinned black men favor light(er) skinned black women while still professing their unwavering allegiance to the black American cause. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1200
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***Just a sugar tit for kola and her crowd to suck on.***
Actually, Cynnique, he didn't even scratch the surface. And I COMPLETELY disagree with him on several things.
Tonya |
Tonya
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But I must say that I do agree with most of it. |
Kola_boof
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There's a chapter in my autobiography called "GOD IS A BLACK MAN"---in which I talk in detail about "great" black men and why I love them.
Professor Baruti at Morehouse is just one of the Black men I mention.
And good lawwwwwd that man is fine.
Make that FOINE.
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Kola_boof
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And he is Black American.
Not African, Mrs_Hart
LOL
But knowing you and your ilk, you might mistake his gorgeous chocolate fudge wife for African.
After all, you're not too used to seeing HER FACE included in your "rainbow".
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Nels
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Post Number: 209
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Another day on the job. Colorism will never end, and never is a long time.
http://www.pamspaulding.com/weblog/2005/07/skin-and-color-of-money.html
http://www.multiracial.com/blog/?p=1063
http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/studentwork/race/2001/colorism_goetz.shtml
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1264/is_n5_v25/ai_15763400
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38010-2004May18.html
http://www.mixedrace.com/members/mem2.asp?P1=http://www.mixedrace.com/messageboa rd.asp?P1=18282 |
Mrs_hart
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Yet a strong case could be made that light-complexioned women have also been the victims of vicious racist and sexist stereotypes. The very light-complexioned Nina Mae McKinney in "Hallelujah," Lena Horne in "Cabin in the Sky," Dorothy Dandridge in "Carmen Jones" and Fredi Washington in "Imitation of Life" were all depicted as tramps, whores or exotic temptresses. The image of the sexually immoral black woman has been firmly enshrined in the popular mind by light-, not dark-complexioned, black women.
Golden, like many black women, is convinced that European beauty standards have so mesmerized black men that they regard white women and light-skinned black women as trophies that fulfill their desire for power, status and acceptance in the white-dominated world. But that ignores the fact that many prominent black men -- athletes, entertainers and successful professionals -- have married or are married to brown- or even dark-skinned black women. They evidently did not pick their mates solely on the arbitrary standard of skin color.
In the book's ending, "Letter to a Black Girl I Know," Golden admonishes blacks "to stop believing in the color complex and passing it from generation to generation." It's a touching close, but there were countless black men and women of earlier generations who didn't believe that light or white skin automatically meant truth and beauty. They wore their blackness not as an emblem of shame but as a badge of pride. Golden ignores, minimizes and, ultimately, dishonors the proud legacy those black men and women left.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38010-2004May18.html |
Tonya
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"WE HAVE NO MORE TIME TO MOURN THE TRAGIC MULATTO THAN THE POOR LITTLE RICH WHITE GIRL."
--Mwalimu A. Bomani Baruti.. Excuses, Excuses
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Tonya
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***you might mistake his gorgeous chocolate fudge wife for African.***
He's "FOINE" and he's married to a true bona fide sistah too???
Well, you know I'm feelin' him now, don'tcha? I know you do.
Preach on, Brotha! Preach oooooooon!!!!
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Cynique
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Post Number: 3272
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"True bona fide sista". What a joke. A ridiculous example of 2 positives producing a negative. Chocolate skin does not a "true bona fide sista" make - except in the eyes of someone like tonya whose insight is clouded by the chronic glaucoma of reverse colorism. snort. |
Kola_boof
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Bonafide sista:
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Abm
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The wheels on the truck go round and round,
round and round,
round and round.
The wheels on the truck go round and round,
all through the town. |
Cynique
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The repetitive dialogue is a drag, isn't it? Now as I was saying, that mundane picture Kola posted does not represent a "bonafide" sista. "Sista" is a term reserved exclusively for American black women who have mucho "attitude". |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1091
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Earl Ofari Hutchinson....a LIGHT SKINNED black male whose mother looked like a White Woman wrote the following in the WASHINGTON POST:
Yet a strong case could be made that light-complexioned women have also been the victims of vicious racist and sexist stereotypes. The very light-complexioned Nina Mae McKinney in "Hallelujah," Lena Horne in "Cabin in the Sky," Dorothy Dandridge in "Carmen Jones" and Fredi Washington in "Imitation of Life" were all depicted as tramps, whores or exotic temptresses. The image of the sexually immoral black woman has been firmly enshrined in the popular mind by light-, not dark-complexioned, black women.
Notice how he fails to mention that these women were OVERLY REPRESENTED in the first place.
The overwhelming majority of Black Women in America, especially during the 30's, 40's and 50's didn't look anything like the mixed and yellow women mentioned above. But because of COLORISM and RACISM....only those "watered down" type of women were allowed to portray attractive desirable women in motion pictures. He doesn't mention that.
It wasn't until Cicely Tyson appeared in the 1960's that BLACK AMERICAN WOMEN were truly represented by a beautiful woman who looked like the masses. And she should have been the "RULE"---not the exception.
But since Hutchinson's life experience is that of a LIGHT SKINNED man from a White looking mother, he's completely....out of touch....with the realities of the MAJORITY black masses."
Golden, like many black women, is convinced that European beauty standards have so mesmerized black men that they regard white women and light-skinned black women as trophies that fulfill their desire for power, status and acceptance in the white-dominated world WHO...but an idiot without 20/20 vision doesn't know that this is the TRUTH?. But that ignores the fact that many prominent black men -- athletes, entertainers and successful professionals -- have married or are married to brown- or even dark-skinned black women. They evidently did not pick their mates solely on the arbitrary standard of skin color.
What a load of bullshit. Since the MAJORITY of Black Americans are dark brown to dark skinned.....then the majority...not the MINORITY, but the MAJORITY of Black men should be married to Black women who have the same dark complexions and African hair.
WHITE MEN...overwhelmingly marry WHITE WOMEN who are their mirror image.
Ditto every single other race of human being.
AFRICAN couples are not comprised Dark Male/Light Female...as it's portrayed in television and film.
African people have always had a UNIFORMED rich cocoa complexion that comes from THOUSANDS and thousands of years of Black Men and Black Women loving and cherishing their beauty as Black people.
But go back and read what this man actually wrote----he's acting as though a few token successful black men being married to dark brown women MAKES UP for the fact that the majority of them do not choose their own reflection...which is what SHOULD BE the majority.
So obviously....and QUITE OBVIOUSLY...these men chose their mates based exactly on the criteria that the Professor from Morehouse said that they did....by lightness of skin.
And I don't give a shit what any Black man of any hue says....daily living in this society SHOWS time and again that Black men are colorstruck and seek out "whiteness" for the purpose of STATUS and impressing their friends.
There are TONS of studies written by BLACK MEN that back up these facts.
And why did this behavior start AFTER SLAVERY on the Plantation???
Why were African men, before the slave trade, always attracted to and in love with women who represented their own mirror reflection????
Why did it suddenly change after the slave plantation?
Hutchinson doesn't know SHIT about what he's talking about....because he is not a BLACK FEMALE
In the book's ending, "Letter to a Black Girl I Know," Golden admonishes blacks "to stop believing in the color complex and passing it from generation to generation." It's a touching close, but there were countless black men and women of earlier generations who didn't believe that light or white skin automatically meant truth and beauty. They wore their blackness not as an emblem of shame but as a badge of pride. Golden ignores, minimizes and, ultimately, dishonors the proud legacy those black men and women left.
What a load of bullshit. He totally ignores the DEEPLY COLORIST society that is the "Black Community"....not just in America, but WORLDWIDE.....and he does this, of course, because he's a LIGHT SKINNED MALE who has not experienced the treatment and prejudice---the invisibility----of living in a dark skin with thick African features.
Marita Golden HAS experienced it all her life and wrote a damned excellent book about it.
As well....the LETTER at the end that she writes to her daughter is HER BUSINESS...not his...and it's exactly what Dark Skinned Black Mothers should be telling their Dark Skinned Black Daughters....that they are valuable, beautiful and PERFECT just as they are.
If we had more Marita Goldens, there would be less "skin bleaching", less "ridiculous blond weaves", less "silent clench-mouthed anger".
But because of INSENSITIVE, wrong-headed men like Earl Ofari Hutchison....we have an epidemic of SILENCE....an epidemic of COLORIST day to day interactions that drive Darkskinned women---more than anyone else---to the point of RAGE, hostility and utter shame in being black women.
No one cares about these women ENOUGH to acknowledge their pain and THEIR experience.
Hutchison is just the latest asswipe to DISMISS their reality...mainly because discussing it would jeopardize his benefits and status as the LIGHT SKINNED son of a woman who could pass for white.
AUTEHNTIC BLACK WOMEN----
WE NEED A NEW SON.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38010-2004May18.html
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1092
Registered: 02-2005
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Cynique:
"Sista" is a term reserved exclusively for American black women who have mucho "attitude".
Kola:
BULLLLLSHIT.
African women have been calling themselves "Sista" and "Sister" before you were even a nap on your mother's pussy.
So don't even tell that fucking lie.
Don't get mad at us because we VALUE our blackness and don't accept you claiming that just ANY STRAY MUTT with a drop of our blood can BE us.
Just because you don't have any STANDARDS and no goddamned backbone.....because you WANT SO DESPERATELY to be Miss Anne...doesn't mean that we all want to be white women.
You think I want my race to be reduced to some DAISY-colored anti-African Porch niggers?
Either BE BLACK or get the fuck out!
Dark Skinned women are NOT going to stay in their PLACE...standing behind your rotten yellow ass any longer.
And EVIL BITCHES LIKE ME...FROM AFRICA...are going to see that they don't!!!!
These Dark Nappy BITCHES you think are so inferior are MMMY GODDAMNED DAUGHTERS!!!! MINE!
you red crab-faced mutant bitch!!!
DId you think I wouldn't come for my children?
You two faced IMITATION WHITE BITCH!!!
Yeah, fuck you.
You think I don't know how to fight for my own goddamned kids?
You're nobody's goddamned sister.
You're just a fucking imitation MISS ANNE.
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Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 38
Registered: 12-2005
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Too bad Kola isn't as pretty as the girl in the pic. Her outright ugliness and butch appearence--like that of a moose--is at the source of much of her misery. Most men are not into bestiality, I'm afraid.... |
Schakspir
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 12-2005
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"The wheels on the truck go round and round,
round and round,
round and round.
The wheels on the truck go round and round,
all through the town."
Yeah....
I'm just sittin here watchin' the wheels
turn round and round,
I really love to watch them roll....
--John Lennon
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Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 40
Registered: 12-2005
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Kola:
BULLLLLSHIT.
African women have been calling themselves "Sista" and "Sister" before you were even a nap on your mother's pussy.
So don't even tell that fucking lie.
Don't get mad at us because we VALUE our blackness and don't accept you claiming that just ANY STRAY MUTT with a drop of our blood can BE us.
Just because you don't have any STANDARDS and no goddamned backbone.....because you WANT SO DESPERATELY to be Miss Anne...doesn't mean that we all want to be white women.
You think I want my race to be reduced to some DAISY-colored anti-African Porch niggers?
Either BE BLACK or get the fuck out!
Dark Skinned women are NOT going to stay in their PLACE...standing behind your rotten yellow ass any longer.
And EVIL BITCHES LIKE ME...FROM AFRICA...are going to see that they don't!!!!
These Dark Nappy BITCHES you think are so inferior are MMMY GODDAMNED DAUGHTERS!!!! MINE!
you red crab-faced mutant bitch!!!
DId you think I wouldn't come for my children?
You two faced IMITATION WHITE BITCH!!!
Yeah, fuck you.
You think I don't know how to fight for my own goddamned kids?
You're nobody's goddamned sister.
You're just a fucking imitation MISS ANNE.
Schakspir:
Who needs Looney Tunes with this Looney Coon around??? |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1095
Registered: 02-2005
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Schakspir:
Too bad Kola isn't as pretty as the girl in the pic. Her outright ugliness and butch appearence--like that of a moose--is at the source of much of her misery. Most men are not into bestiality, I'm afraid....
Well look who's talking...
Schakspir with a hard on
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1096
Registered: 02-2005
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And most women aren't into men whose dicks can only
tread water.
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Schakspir
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 12-2005
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I hate to burst your bubble, but mine is considerably bigger than that. Just an afterthought.
However, YOURS is probably much bigger than mine--you could probably bring Lexington Steele to shame, for all I know. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1097
Registered: 02-2005
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Your MOTHER'S is even bigger than yours.
And, of course, that's where your OBSESSING with She-Hes comes from.
Seeing your White (oops, nearly white--demerit) mother rise and stretch like a cat each morning with her big hair balls jangling.
Aw. Poor child.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1098
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OOOPS, forgot.
Mustn't talk about your mother.
Good o'l RED ROSA.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1099
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I loooooooove being ugly and looking like a MAN.
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Kola_boof
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I'm just sooooooo UGLY and BEASTLY looking
I could just cry!
BOOOOO-hooo, BOOOOO-hoooo
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1101
Registered: 02-2005
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ABM said:
The wheels on the truck go round and round,
round and round,
round and round.
The wheels on the truck go round and round,
all through the town.
KOLA:
Now you know how White People feel...constantly being reminded of and hearing about racism.
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Abm
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Post Number: 3978
Registered: 04-2004
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Indeed. Though I was mostly referring to the incessant backbiting between you and Cynique. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1102
Registered: 02-2005
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Don't make me cry, ABM.
You always do this.
Now that you're here...I'm weakened and won't be able to be vulgar.
Signing off.
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Abm
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Post Number: 3979
Registered: 04-2004
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Come now, Kola. You flatter me.
For even I lack the power to preempt thine vulgarity.
Hahahaha!!! |
Schakspir
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 12-2005
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I think that big jaw of yours in the first pic really gives it all away: tranny. A lot of trannies go through a transitional period when they shift from being man to woman, and act kinda funny. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1204
Registered: 07-2005
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"You're nobody's goddamned sister. You're just a fucking imitation MISS ANNE."
SHE TOOOOOLLLD YOU!!!!
(Right on, Kola!!!.... Tell that monkey bitch to get the fuck off my back!)
Tonya
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Blkamericanking
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Post Number: 134
Registered: 08-2005
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LMAO Schakspir...You're too funny bro. |
Eyona
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Post Number: 6
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kola ur are very beautiful.....!!!! don't mind Schakspir he just jealous cuz his fat ugly ass white girlfriend doesn't have that tits and body>>> Schakspir dare u to post ur pic on here if u are a nice looking brother!!!! if not shut the fuck up!!!! |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1206
Registered: 07-2005
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Schakspir, Kola ain't even gonna waste her time with you.. besides..
why you mad at her? ....Shouldn't you be mad at that male "roommate" who "tried" to "SEXUALLY ASSAULT" you??? -- he the one that turned you out!
Oh, well - Just remember: YOUR FAGGOT ASS STILL HIT LIKE A MAN! |
Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 43
Registered: 12-2005
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Tonya, I'm sorry, but I simply DON'T spend my time worrying about what Kola thinks. A lot of us get amused from time to time watching her huff and puff about "color" and "race" and she always says the same things. LIKE WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW!!!
btw Tonya, you should know about fags because those are the only men you can attract with your �ber-aggressive attitude. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1103
Registered: 02-2005
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ABM,
I know you're not going to let this man talk about me this way.
Your last 5 comments towards me have seemed suspect. Which isn't too good for a man who's never around.
And BlkAmericanKing....you think he's funny.
That's fucked up.
Screw you, too.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1104
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 09:11 pm: |
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And now let's talk about JEALOUS AUTHORS.
You all know that "Schakspir" is the ugly ass author P. Lewis......
a transsexual-dating Paul Beatty wannabe who wrote the following novel, "NATE"
Carefully read this horrible REVIEW that P. Lewis aka Schakspir received from aalbc.com and you'll understand why he's so consistently nasty and jealous towards me:
Book Review by Thumper
I should have known better, especially with me being so fond of old sayings. “Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.” I love well written books about off-the-wall characters. To a certain degree, I got that exact thing in Nate, the latest novel by P. Lewis. The title character is interesting, but not enough to endear him to me. While Lewis made some good points, had a few nice plot twists, I have to admit that if I had not committed myself to finishing this book, I would have tossed it on the reject pile without a second thought.
Nate James Morris is a young man in flux. Dissatisfied with attending one of the nation’s leading black colleges; he’s ready to chuck his bachelor degree in Art and move to New York to get his career as an illustrator started. After having a conversation with one of his friends, Nate, impulsively, enlists and becomes a Marine. So starts the beginning of Nate’s life of misadventures. Throughout his story of physical assaults, kidnapping, sexual escapades, college politics and family drama; Nate has two constants in his life. He can count on being misunderstood, and the presence of his nemesis/friend, a sociopath psychotic Guy Sellers. Nate Morris’s life is a mess, and as far as I’m concern, he’s more than wallow in it, as long as he doesn’t get any of it on me.
Nate, the novel, is a big lesson in patience. I was more than a little fed up with it. After reading nearly 400 pages of Nate’s life story, I can’t say that I really know Nate Morris. There is one thing that I do know about him; he gets on my nerves.
The novel would not have been so bad if I did not get to read so much about Nate, the character. Nate is an intelligent submissive wimp. Things happened to Nate and he just went along with it; definitely not the type of person or character I like spending a lot of time with. Lewis had Nate going through some traumatic stuff. At the beginning of each of these episodes, I kept the hope that Nate would get a backbone and put his foot in somebody’s butt. Humph, I wish. It would have made for a more interesting read if he had.
The novel was not badly written. Truthfully, Lewis is a good writer, but the novel suffered because Lewis did not advance the story or its themes. Lewis kept re-plowing the same ground. I ain’t trying to hear all the same crap over and over again. Believe me; I’m smart enough to catch the point the first time it comes around. For instance, in the novel, Nate was in the military twice and college three times. The storyline went like: Nate is in college, then he goes to the military, then he goes back college, only to be in the military again, and oh here’s a big surprise, Nate winds up in college AGAIN. Hell, Stevie Wonder could see this pattern from over yonder, through thickets, woods, and corn fields.
Nate, the character and the novel, are tedious. The main problem with the character and the novel is that Nate took himself way too seriously and had no sense of humor. Nate lacks likeability. With any novel, especially one that is over 400 pages, I need to like the characters or at least find them interesting. Nate is used dishwater begging to go down the drain.
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Kola_boof
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So you see....what a fucking loser.
But he takes it out on me.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1106
Registered: 02-2005
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Schakspir wrote to Tonya:
btw Tonya, you should know about fags because those are the only men you can attract with your �ber-aggressive attitude.
Kola:
Why do you know so much about them?
Obviously...and I know what you look like P. Lewis....a fucking transvestite is all you can get.
You're an expert on them and now you suspect every woman's one.
And talk about attitude...you're the most dick-brained asshole to ever hit this board (the WOMEN here all usually get along with the men before you came)....you've been as crass and flippant and shitty as any typical sexist pig selfish nigger bastard.
Yet you criticize somebody else's attitude.
It's not OUR FAULT that your fucking novel sucks, because you're too emotional to structure a book.
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Blkamericanking
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Username: Blkamericanking
Post Number: 135
Registered: 08-2005
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Kola, please forgive me for laughing. I wasn't exactly laughing at you, it's just that I don't remember seeing Schakspir on this board before and he seems to be a funny person. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1107
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 09:27 pm: |
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Eyona:
kola ur are very beautiful.....!!!! don't mind Schakspir he just jealous cuz his fat ugly ass white girlfriend doesn't have that tits and body>>> Schakspir dare u to post ur pic on here if u are a nice looking brother!!!! if not shut the fuck up!!!!
Kola:
Thank you, Eyona!!!!! I know. And he is ugly and so is his WHITE transvetite girlfriend (althoug I do give him credit for dating someone who looks like his mother).
He's author P. Lewis.
Official President of the "PEOPLE WHO HATE KOLA BOOF FAN CLUB".
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Enchanted
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Username: Enchanted
Post Number: 17
Registered: 11-2005
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Kola Boof you are the lowest pond scum I have ever come in contact with.
I am a dark skinned woman and you do not speak for me.
When the day comes that you wish to return to Africa, please let me know so that I can pay for your crate.
Curse and shout all you want.
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Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1154
Registered: 01-2004
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this is such an ugly thread...
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Anyways, Kola recently said that I'll read p. lewis's novel...and that aint right if I haven't read yours...so, which of your writings do you suggest that I read first? |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1155
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Kola:
whoa...missed the pic of the chocolate sista...whats her name, number, and address..., of course, is she single... and would she date an intelligent though poor, but comfortable caramel complected African American? |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1108
Registered: 02-2005
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Yukio,
You will adore my love story "Flesh and the Devil"---because it's literary, very sexy and deals with a "mulatto woman" being victimized by colorism for a change. I based her on my sister, SPRING.
But the book is about a LOT of other things more than just that. It's very powerful and tells the history of the Black Americans.
My book "Long Train" is set in Africa and very feminist (though Troy Johnson LOOVES it, that's his favorite of my books--he's gotten many famous people to read that book)....and "Nile River Woman" is very angry and belligerent, but beautiful poetry.
And my life story, "Diary of a Lost Girl", could still manage to surprise you.
For instance....did you know that I hold the record as the "Youngest Person" to have a Heart Attack in the city of Washington D.C. and survive it?
I said hello to you in the "Acknowledgements" as well as hello to Cynique, Tonya, Roxie and others here.
ABM is part of my "GOD IS A BLACK MAN" chapter...which is not "hokey or mushy"---it's really quite good, and I talk about how Black Men have rescued me and loved me back from insanity. Which is why I so sacredly LOVE Black men.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1109
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 11:37 pm: |
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Yukio, that chocolate sista (a model) lives in West Africa.
I don't know her personally. LOL 
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Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2005
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"It's not OUR FAULT that your fucking novel sucks, because you're too emotional to structure a book."
Look who's talking! ROTFLMBAO!
By the way, I came on the board and simply called out the frauds and phonies for who they really were. No harm in that, is it? |
Schakspir
Regular Poster
Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 47
Registered: 12-2005
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By the way, here's another pre-publication review from rawsistaz.com:
Growing Up in the 80's
NATE by P. Lewis is a rocky expedition into the tumultuous, rarely sensible life of a young, African-American male. Being a teenager is already difficult, but when you add race wars, political unrest, warfare, and family drama (among other things) to an already mutable physicality, you’re bound to have a teenager on the edge. It is within this context that readers are introduced to the main character, Nathan James Morris.
College, the U.S. Marine Corps, a U.S. Embassy, family...none of these had the capability to hold Nate still. He ran, he fought, he struggled to hold his own in a world that wanted nothing more than to keep him down. Even the “normal” traps (women, drugs, alcohol) out there to waylay people didn’t get the best of him. He survived, although his manner of survival will upset you, make you sick, make you want to cry for him, or make you shake your fists at him. Sometimes, Nate's actions make it is easier to understand why the other characters treat him the way they do.
P. Lewis has composed a novel that consists of an excellent narrative voice and a deep look into many national and international social ills. Although full of foul language, I enjoyed “hearing” Nate speaking to me, telling me of all the things he was going through. His stories are interesting, the characters are very colorful and multi-dimensional, and the places he goes and the things he sees are mind-blowing; however the biggest problem with the book, the reason why it’s only an average 3 instead of a 5, is lack of a driving plot. There is no storyline, no reason to turn the page, no explanation for why P. Lewis chooses to have Nate say or do what he does at that time, and too much “blah blah” between the things readers will enjoy reading. For that reason, it was very difficult to get through this book, even though the stories were interesting. Also, there is no concept of time. Readers have no real idea how much time has passed between the chapters or events. Aside from that, NATE proves to be full of adventure and travel, sex and drugs, war and education, and many other things young adults faced growing up in the 80’s.
Reviewed by Natasha T
of The RAWSISTAZ™ Reviewers
I have noted that those who enjoy ghetto fiction aren't going to be very fond of NATE, because of its postmodern slant(a la Celine, Henry Miller: picaresque plot, etc.) Also note: Thumper has poor reading skills. He is a big fan of baby mama lit and books like mine are above his comprehension. I disliked the review immensely but then, you know, Thumper is just Thumper; he isn't Ishmael Reed, who had THIS to say about NATE:
“I enjoyed reading NATE so much that I read scenes to anyone within hearing distance. P. Lewis is an original talent whose English cuts through a lot of contemporary BS like a butcher knife. His characters don’t give a flying F- whether you feel for them or not. It’s important that a powerful novel such as this surfaces at a time when the black lit. scene is being smothered by a lot of dumb frivolous chick-lit and down low scribbling. Anybody want to know where the kick-behind black male literary tradition of Himes, Wright, John A. Williams went? It’s alive and well in Berlin.” --Ishmael Reed
And of my FIRST book, John A. Williams had this to say:
"The book is raging, raw, murderously truthful in statement and vision, calling to mind Celine's Death on the Installment Plan and Doblin's Berlin Alexanderplatz....Lewis vision is fixed upon Inferno, and his novel has the power of a nuclear fusillade."
Also, you might want to check up on Prof. Jerome Klinkoitz's review of my first novel, Life of Death, online--Google it, and read it. Klinkowitz is one of the foremost literary critics in the USA.
Who the fuck is "Thumper," anyway? |
Cynique
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Post Number: 3276
Registered: 01-2004
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Well, well, well, has our soft spoken little earth scrathcher kola-nut emerged from the sanctuary of her garden and proved to be the snake in the grass that she is, and in the process proved I was right when I said that all I have to do is throw a few buzz words out to her and she goes berserk. tsk-tsk. And, kola, I don't give a good fuck what you and that barnacle that clings to your ass, tonya, say. The term "sista" as opposed to "sister" is the exclusive domain of black American women. So stop trying to distort the issue by putting into the colorist context that you are obsessed with. African and black american woman may regard themselve as sisters. But African women in this country have not earned the right to be called "a sista." Now take that and stick it up your cellulite ass and blow it out the snout you call a nose, you psychotic blow- hard. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1110
Registered: 02-2005
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Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 4
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Well.....DAY-UM! |
Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 5
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"And, kola, I don't give a good fuck what you and that barnacle that clings to your ass, tonya, say. The term "sista" as opposed to "sister" is the exclusive domain of black American women. So stop trying to distort the issue by putting into the colorist context that you are obsessed with. African and black american woman may regard themselve as sisters. But African women in this country have not earned the right to be called "a sista." Now take that and stick it up your cellulite ass and blow it out the snout you call a nose, you psychotic blow- hard"
WOW! And DAY-UM again!
Cynique, you write and express yourself very well. Are you published? |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1156
Registered: 01-2004
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Mrs_Hart...that was funny...
Kola:hmmn...i'm love poetry...but I often don't know the cultural referents to appreciate it...or even the patience...lmao! So, I will stick with the fiction.
Hmmm....the model of quite beautiful! It has beena pleasure to view her...she makes me want to lick her lips... |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 210
Registered: 07-2005
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Ah'm juzz wayt'n foe da uddah shoo ta drop. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3277
Registered: 01-2004
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Since tonya is at least considerate enough to not put our stomachs to a test by running a picture of herself, guess I'll just have to settle for the image I have of her in my mind - something that looks like a bug-eyed roach. EU. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1111
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:28 am: |
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3278
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Well, now, Mrs Hart, I have dabbled in self-publishing, and kola just brings out the best of my worst. BTW, you seem like a civil, reasonable person and I think I like you. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1112
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:35 am: |
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Cynique and her husband
went out looking for "gobble" aprons
today
He keeps that bitch on a leash, you know.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1113
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:38 am: |
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PHOTO of Cynique
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1114
Registered: 02-2005
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As you can see....SHE and I
look nothing alike.
But she keeps trying to throw
her mudd on me.
WHY-N-CH.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1115
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:42 am: |
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There you go Eyona.
In all his glory.
And ain't got NO DICK.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 3279
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BTW. kola, while hangin out after the Bulls' game tonight, snapping a picture of my daughter with their star forward Luol Deng, I thought what a fine young AUTHENTIC Sudanese man he is. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1116
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:51 am: |
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Yes, and Luol Deng sent me flowers last year.
Did you forget?
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Cynique
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Post Number: 3280
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ROTFLMAO Isn't KOla pathetic? I wish ABM would give her a play so she'd stay off the sauce and pull herself together. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 3281
Registered: 01-2004
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What does Luol sending you flowers have to do with him being AUTHENTIC???? |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1117
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 01:58 am: |
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You meant he's an authentic "DINKA" right?
There's 200 tribes in SUDAN, all of whom are authentically Sudanese.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1118
Registered: 02-2005
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I haven't had a drink in two months Cynique, but thanks for reminding me.
It is Saturday night, the boys are busy with their PlayStation....and I could go for a little nip now that you mentioned it.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1119
Registered: 02-2005
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On second thought.
I haven't got a taste for a drink.
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Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 48
Registered: 12-2005
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"There's 200 tribes in SUDAN, all of whom are authentically Sudanese."
Well, DUHHHH. If they are in Sudan, what else would they be, motherfucker? Korean? |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1207
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 04:26 pm: |
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***The term "sista" as opposed to "sister" is the exclusive domain of black American women.***
Somebody needs to tell the truth.. so here goes...
We ain't NEEEEEEVER considered mulatto, mixed, light and/or high yellow women sistas... NEVER.
What happened was, we were told by our parents, family, and respected community members, repeatedly and in many ways, that acting as though they're a part of our family is the POLITE thing to do. So that's what we did. Point is, as much as you feel that African women should be excluded from SISTAhood, THAT'S NOT YOUR DECISION TO MAKE because, despite what you've been told out of kindness, you ain't a sista -- AND THAT'S REAL.
...Somebody had to tell it...
Tonya |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1209
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Even if I did look like a bug-eyed roach, I'd still look a HAAAYEELLLL of alot better than you ever did.. so I ain't even worried about what you think. Don't get mad cuz I hurt your feelings the other day -- you deserve it bitch! You need to learn how to take the same shit that you loooove to dish out.
Either that, or mind your muthafuckin' business sometimes.
(And that's real too.)
Tonya |
Blkamericanking
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Post Number: 136
Registered: 08-2005
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Tonya,
You are wrong and you know it. Light skinned and high yellow women were and still are considered sistas. This colorism crap is going too far. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3282
Registered: 01-2004
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Get real, you little weasel. You ain't been around long enough to know shit except what you heard last weak. I won't even dignify your ridiculous swill by refuting it. It suffices to say that you, as usual, don't know what the hell you're talking about. So just stop embarassing yourself and shut up. And just because you get your little feelings hurt everytime somebody squishes you, don't think mine do. I have thick skin and I relish an exchange of insults with a worthy opponent, which leaves a simple-assed bitch like you out. EU. Wheeeeeee. LMAO |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1120
Registered: 02-2005
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TONYA----
In every African nation where "English" is spoken.....from KENYA...to GHANA...to SOUTH AFRICA....and SUDAN
African women refer to each other as "Sista".
In Sudan: "Oyeeeee Sista!"
The more proper women say "Sister".
Black American women can't do a damned thing to stop us from calling ourselves what we have called ourselves for generations.
Cynique is just an idiot who forgot that there are other black women in the world...and that anywhere you go...."Sistas" tend to be very similar.
I was in Trinidad and all the black women were calling each other "Sista".
The men in Africa and Carribean do the same thing. They call themselves "brother"----although not "Bro". But this is not unique to Black Americans.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1210
Registered: 07-2005
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Gotchu, Kola. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 3283
Registered: 01-2004
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Um, I guess eveybody knows tonya is a weasel, but in case they don't, my last post was directed to her, not blackamercanking who I always kinda imagined as being a proud stallion. heh heh. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1121
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BlkAmericanking:
Tonya,
You are wrong and you know it. Light skinned and high yellow women were and still are considered sistas. This colorism crap is going too far.
KOLA:
It only goes too far when it's attacking LIGHTSKINNED women. You never said a damned thing in defense of the real true BLACK women who've been the targets of this for over a century now.
And I bet your mother was dark.
But suddenly it's TOO FAR, 'cause it's a redbone cornbread faced WHY-N-CH.
I always notice that.
If anybody's colorstruck, it's CYNIQUE---with all her WHITE grandkids and her snide belief that "Dark folks" should stay in their place.
But you run up in here to defend a Half White bitch everytime anybody so much as sneezes as them.
And we peeped you from day one, "BLACK BRO", and your type is on the way out too---because the ones with the DARKEST wombs are waking the fuck up.
I'm an African woman and I will continue to call myself a "Sista" whether you and your YELLOW wop-faced bitch likes it or not. I could give a fuck.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3284
Registered: 01-2004
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Oh get outta here, Kola. You are not an etymological expert on the origin and history of the black american slang idiom so just take your hybrid sudanese bullshit elsewhere, preferably over there to the hole where tonya lives. |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1122
Registered: 02-2005
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And listen to UGLY ass Cynique.
Calling somebody a "weasel face".
Her mug looks like a caved-in pussy sliding down the side of a red ant hill....and she got the nerve to talk about how somebody looks.
Nasty drooling self.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3285
Registered: 01-2004
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Anybody but a fool would not know that the terms "brotha" and "sista" came into vogue back during the black power movement in the 1960s and can probably be traced to the militant rhetoric of high yellow Malcome X and the black panthers. kola and tonya, the more you talk the more stupid you reveal yourself to be. That's why kola has to wrap herself in the security blanket of colorism because it makes her uncomfortable to deal with the truth. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 1123
Registered: 02-2005
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You are not an etymological expert on the origin and history of the black american slang idiom
I don't give a shit where your SLANG came from--nor am I referring it.
African women use the same slang, and have been forever.
So when you get your "Head Nigga Bitch In Charge" papers stamped at the OAKIES Club this week---stick that up your ass right along with them.
Your goose-burp don't mean shit to me, WITCHY-Poo.
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Kola_boof
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Anybody but a fool would not know that the terms "brotha" and "sista" came into vogue back during the black power movement in the 1960s and can probably be traced to the militant rhetoric of high yellow Malcome X and the black panthers.
Well then apparently...you're a FOOL, Cynique.
MARCUS GARVEY used those slangs in his 1921 autobiography...not on one page....but all throughout.
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT CYNIQUE????
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Yukio
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Interesting...let me state first that Mwalimu A. Bomani Baruti's article was too long, too repetitive, and, in my opinion, poorly conceptualized...I only read 3/4s....
I did read Earl Ofari Hutchinson's article in its entirety.
I say that both are problematic, for the first is one-sided and the second too simplistic.
The first: I say yes, this country and those countries enslaved and colonized by europeans are victims of racism and colorism certainly exists and it creates serious divisions....this is all he said.
The second: He agrees with Golden that dark skinned black women are victims of colorism, but so too are light skinned black women, and that ultimately, it is race not color that is the main referent between blacks and whites.
He is correct when he states that lighted skinned women experience racism...no doubt about it...
BUT the issue is not the fact of the experience of racism and colorism by light skinned sisters, but the quality and its meaning in a white dominated society.
Thus, if we have a light skinned and dark skinned sister, both may be discriminated against, but it is likely that the light skinned sister will have greater priviledges, both within and outside of their own community, than their darker sisters.
Yet, this is not the case all of the time.
On an individual basis, the problem arises that since what I have stated is a general truism then anytime and in all cases when a dark skinned sister doesn't get something and the light skinned sister does then it is because of color...and this is wrong...life is not formulaic, and one can not immediately presume a priori that colorism is the raison d'etre for their plight.
I really think it is that simple...Hutchinson's equation of dark and light skinned black women's experience of racisma and colorism, as I see, is a false one. It doesn't have to be one thing or the other...as I see it, black women in general are discriminated against, and dark skinned women more so...this neithers means that light skinned women not are discriminated against nor that dark skinned women aren't colorists and perpetrators of discrimination....all, it seems to me, are accountable and complicit...
I remember in h.s...this brown skinned sista, only a shade darker than myself, constantly and persistently told me that I thought I was better than her because I was "light skinned." She and I had never been treated differently in class...nor were we competitors...I did, however, clown her...actually all the time...and the reason I did was because of her size not her color...she actually was lighter than all of my sisters...but she was round and fat, not thick, like Serena W. Big like Monique the comedienne was but not pretty and sexy like Monique...and she had a gheri curl and curls were out of style since this was the black consciousness period of the late 1980s, with the Native Tongues--Jungle Brothers, Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Queen Latifah, X Clan "this is represented by the red, the black, the green with a key in the ignition...sissyyyyyyyyyys!" , Poor Righetous Teacher, Zulu Nation and African Bambatta, PE; She had curls when cats first started dreading their hair and staged protests for the lack of black history taught in our high school!
Now, this is the truth, bad or good...Was I wrong? Yes, I was wrong! But she too was wrong for blaming my behavior on color rather than my body elitism.
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Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 05:39 pm: |
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And YUKIO....
I don't agree with you AT ALL.
You're doing the same bullshit that white people do...when they try to dismiss the experiences of black people by claiming that they suffer discrimination and oppression in lieu of Blacks being allowed to share in the social pie.
And like a lot of Black women, I'm to the point now where I don't even want to hear what light skinned person has to say, period.
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Cynique
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Hummmmm. Now, let me see what other buzz words I can use to send kola off on the deep end. No biggie. All I have to do is attack her looks because just when she has convinced herself that she is cute, I remind the bitch that she looks like the missing link between a giraffe and a baboon. |
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Actually, kola both of you are correct...i'm not sure if Garvey used it, but if he did, I don't doubt it! Your comment KOla, makes alot of sense, actually!
It emerged from the African American church then it was secularized as black folk especially black radicals--of socialists and black nationalists persuaions, used it was they tried to solicit interest and membership in their various organizations vernacular, but it became part of the general black popular culture, which included mostly African Americans, but many, many West Indians living in New York City, Boston, and Florida since the late nineteenth but especially after the first World War. This population also include a small population of Africans...but this, as far as I know, was mainly in Harlem. Harlem is unique, for it included so many kinds of black folk...including the spanish and more so the british caribbean!
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Cynique
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The terms "sista' and "brotha" did not come into popular usuage until the 1960s. Just give it up, kola-nut. No self-respectin sista gives a shit about the ranting of a color-struck carpetbagger like you. |
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Kola...explain, for I don't understand what you are saying...
Firstly, what do you think I'm saying?
And secondly, how is it the same as white folk?
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Kola_boof
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And I could care less about you clowning the girl scenario.
That doesn't begin to scratch the surface.
There are black men in Mississippi impregnating multiple black women each and saying that they will marry the one who produces the lightest children.
There is an epidemic of "Brown'n" (skin bleaching) amongst Teenaged girls in JAMAICA, because they say they are pressured by their boyfriends to be "lighter"
There's a billion dollar FAKE HAIR and skin bleaching industry that is flourishing in Africa, the West Indies and the United States. Black people feel "pressured" to become more Eurocentric looking.
Almost ALL...."ALL"...of the Black Media that is produced in this country backs up the fact that COLORISM is more prevalent now than ever before---and that Darker skinned Black WOMEN in particular, obviously because their wombs produce black people, are the main targets and sufferers of it.
Go to any BLACK Dinner Party...the men are dark and yellow, the women are yellow or non-black
Go to any Prison or Welfare office...the women are single mothers, majority Dark skinned, and are disenfranchised from both White Mainstream Society ANNNNND from Black Society.
COLOR...is a "part" of the CLASS system, as well as the Caste system.
Dark skinned men are allowed as long as they have MONEY....but the entire BLACK UPPER AND MIDDLE CLASS is based on the "disallowing" of the motherseed of Black people...the darkskinned black woman.
Condoleeza Rice is not a dark skinned woman. She is Brown. Pecan colored.
Denzel's WIFE and Samuel L. Jackson's WIFE are good examples of Dark Black women with African features.
THESE....are the type of women (much younger versions of them) who are demonized, disallowed and discriminated against by BLACK PEOPLE.
Since most of the Black people in this country look like Denzel and his wife...there should be a 100 times more women who look like her represented....than just the LIGHT BROWN Janet Jackson and Sanaa Lathan types.
Your estimate, YUKIO, is waaaaaay off.
But then you're Black Man...not a female, so of course you can't see the whole picture, because you're EXEMPT.
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Kola_boof
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No Yukio....
The people in KENYA and SUDAN and other nations who use the terms "Brother" and "Sister" did not get it from people in HARLEM.
This term has been in All Black NATIONS for generations and generations.
Black people, no matter where they are in the world, tend to be going through the same exact experiences.
They often come to the same conclusions.
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Yukio
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Kola: You have yet to tell me what my "estimate," as you call it, was!
You have, though, given me information about the preponderance of colorism against dark skinned sisters, but NOT HOW it is related to what I SAID. Again, what did I say that you disagree with...I can presume, but I'd rather you tell me...SO TELL ME! |
Kola_boof
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Oh and CYNIQUE....
men prefer my Baboon pussy to your rotten pumpkin crunch
any day of the week.
And I'm cute too.
Not a wrinkled up hag whose breasts look like a ROAD MAP with all the blue-green-red veins.
Got that?
And wipe the milk out of the corners of your mouth, Spit-Witch.
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Kola_boof
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Yukio,
I don't appreciate your "dismissive" tone about COLORISM or your ability to be "nonchalant" and "passive" about something that really....does not affect you.
I resent your comments completely.
And I'm just being honest.
On top of that---like I said, and what other "darker folk" feel but aren't willing to tell you....is that I TUNE OUT lighter people.
I have a SET AGENDA and they are no longer a part of it. Because I know they don't care about us....and they aren't my children. They belong more to the Whites.
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Yukio
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Kola: You post about Garvey pertain to the WWI era. Kenyans and Sudanese, though they may have used it for generations, were not in the US then...nor a sufficient amount of Africans for the term to spread...though, it may have been in usage, during enslavement and thereafter...I don't know...something to think about! |
Cynique
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When dealing with colloquialisms the connotation connected with a word also has to be considered. The words "brotha" and "sista" took on a special significance in the 1960s and continued to evolve up until the present. Yes, "brotha" and "sista" have religious origins and regional variations but the sobriquet "sista" has NEVER been limited to dark-skinned american women. |
Kola_boof
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When Marcus Garvey created the term: "Africa for the Africans!"
He also laced his speeches with the refrain: "My black brothers and sisters."
In the 1920's there were many Blacks calling each other "Brother"..."Sister".
The terms WENT AWAY in the 1940's and resurfaced in the 1960's.
Just as the term "Black is Beautiful" went out of vogue in the mid-1970's
...but has RECENTLY begun to resurface.
For instance my poem "Chol Apieth" translates to "Black Is Beautiful" and was read on national t.v. in Sudan for John Garang's funeral....
and now suddenly people in SUDAN are using that term, which is an American 1960's term that I accidentally introduced to the Sudanese "masses"---I am told that even the Arabs are using it.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, CYNIQUE IS WRONG.
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Jesus Christ addresses "My brothers and sisters" in the HOLY BIBLE. I remember him calling Mary Magdalene "Sister" and John the Baptist calling him "Brother".
It is not new, people.
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Cynique
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Oh go to hell, kola. You just can't deal with anybody who doesn't swallow your claims hook, line, and sinker. That's why you will never ascend to a leadership position among black americans because you desire absolute power and blind loyalty. Yukio committed the unforgivable sin of not going along with everything you said, so now you're crapping on yourself. You need to re-invent yourself as a sane person. |
Kola_boof
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Kola: You post about Garvey pertain to the WWI era. Kenyans and Sudanese, though they may have used it for generations, were not in the US then...nor a sufficient amount of Africans for the term to spread...though, it may have been in usage, during enslavement and thereafter...I don't know...something to think about!
YUKIO...what in the heck are you talking about, baby brother?
Black People don't need to be around Black Americans to begin calling themselves "Brothers" and "Sisters".
Look at your arrogance.
You just assume that it HAD to come from America.
Africans have been using those terms for EONS.
"Brudda"
"Seeesta"
Black people, no matter where they are in the world, tend to be going through the same exact experiences.
They often come to the same conclusions.
You're not thinking.
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Kola_boof
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OH GO TO HELL CYNIQUE...you can't come to terms with anybody who can't swallow your bottle of GERITOL, bitch.
blah, blah, blah
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Kola_boof
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LMFAO!!!!!
This old witch has me crack'n up!
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Tonya
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Yukio,
***Now, this is the truth, bad or good...Was I wrong? Yes, I was wrong! But she too was wrong for blaming my behavior on color rather than my body elitism.***
Do you think that people (namely dark-skinned people) are confused about the difference between unattractiveness and dark skin? Is that the point that you were trying to make? I notice that light-skinned people and white people both frequently try to make that point in a back door, patronizing, underhanded way, instead of just coming straight out and saying it. But what I'd like to know is, do you all really believe that?
Tonya
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Yukio
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Kola: If anyone is being dismissive, then it is you. Firstly, you make claims that you HAVE NOT POINTED OUT to me! How is my tone dismissive about colorism? How does it not affect me? Clearly, you neither read my post nor do you understand what I meant. As you have said, you "tune out ligher people."
Let me tell you what I said, because I AGREED WITH YOU with some necessary qualifications!
The whole of the post stated or the thesis:
AS I SEE IT, BLACK WOMEN IN GENERAL ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST, AND DARK SKINNED WOMEN MORE SO...
My story "clowning the girl scenario," however had a point! It was, as I stated, " On AN INDIVIDUAL ...what I have stated [THAT DARK SKINNED WOMEN ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST MORE SO] is a general truism then ANYTIME AND IN ALL CASES when a dark skinned sister doesn't get something and the light skinned sister does then it is because of color...and THIS IS WRONG!
IN OTHER WORDS, I AGREED with YOU KOLA, and I DISAGREED with Hutchinson. BUT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS DARK SKINNED WOMEN'S PLIGHT IS NOT ALWAYS THE RESULT OF COLORISM. If a lightskinned women walks into a room and she gets snickers from dark skinned sisters, is that not colorism? Does this fact, mean that I am saying that dark skinned women are not the most discriminated against and probably the most qualitively damaged by colorism? No!
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Cynique
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Good Grief. Why can't you people perceive the distinction between the terms "BROTHER" and "BROTHA" and "SISTER" and "SISTA". YOU'RE MISSING THE WHOLE POINT! You're not even worth arguing with. You're clueless. |
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I second this Cynique
Oh go to hell, kola. You just can't deal with anybody who doesn't swallow your claims hook, line, and sinker. That's why you will never ascend to a leadership position among black americans because you desire absolute power and blind loyalty. Yukio committed the unforgivable sin of not going along with everything you said, so now you're crapping on yourself. You need to re-invent yourself as a sane person.
What she really needs to do is go back to Africa and let me pay for the cost of shipping the cage.
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Cynique
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Class dismissed, kola. You flunked it because you are, and always have been on the wrong page. And what would you do without subterfuge to disguise your irrationality? Not only that - you is one homely-assed cow. Mooooooo to you. LMAO. |
Kola_boof
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NO CYNIQUE---
African women say "SISTA".
Pronounced "Seeesta".
And I think "Brudda" qualifies as "Brotha" with an accent.
One fascinating thing I have observed...is that Africans and Black Americans get angry when they notice that they have been behaving IDENTICALLY....even when separated.
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Kola_boof
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Yukio---
my point was that I agree 100% with the Professor from MOREHOUSE.
Did you read the part about Brazilian "dark skinned" BOYS being killed??
I have heard a lot about these PILES of black boys down in Brazil as they try to whiten their population.
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Kola_boof
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PERSONALLY:
I never liked the term "brotha and sista".
I preferred the other African saying where All men are called "Husband" and all women are called "Wife".
Africans also call ALL OLDER PEOPLE, "Mama" and "Papa".
Everyone is "Uncle" and "Auntie".
If you're the same age as a stranger---then it's "Brudda" and "Seesta".
I like the women who say, "Hello, Husband, how are you today?"
Or as you pass by a group of men---"Hello, wife."
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Blkamericanking
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Cynique,
I am a strong black stallion...LOL
Kola,
I really love you and the rest of the black people on this board, whether they be light, brown or dark skinned. Actually, my mother is kind of a reddish complexion and my father is dark. Please don't be angry with me sis, it's just that this colorism thing is headed in the wrong direction. If someone was saying things against dark skinned people, you can be sure I will defend them also.
Were you serious when you said Cynique is half white and has white grandkids? |
Kola_boof
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YUKIO,
Alice Walker had the bravery to say this in the early 1970's
"There is as much difference in the lives of the black black woman and the lightskinned black woman as there are in the lives of the lightskinned black woman and the white woman."
And she's right. A lot of "lighter skinned" black women do not truly experience what it's like to BE a black woman.
Halle Berry may experience some racism.
But INDIA ARIE experiences what it's like to be a "BLACK" woman.
And there IS a difference.
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Kola_boof
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Blkamericanking
I LOVE YOU TOO, STallion
Yes, Cynique's grandkids are white.
Casper looking, too.
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Yukio
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1. Do you think that people (namely dark-skinned people) are confused about the difference between unattractiveness and dark skin?
Hmmm....good question. Yes, in general, because people often equate lightness with attractiveness. I don't know if dark skinned people are more so confused...I think it has to do more with sex. Let me answer you this way! Firstly, I think we, black people, regarless of color, are brainwashed. Consequently, I have heard black men regardless of complexion, say she looks good for a dark skinned sister...firstly, both light and darker men have said this (kola's point, which I agree with) and that there is a hierarchy (the ligher the better), regardless to looks, so that the color is the first thing viewed and then the question of attractiveness, as if color and attractives were the same. I don't know if that answers your question!?
2. Is that the point that you were trying to make? I notice that light-skinned people and white people both frequently try to make that point in a back door, patronizing, underhanded way, instead of just coming straight out and saying it.
Interesting, as I was writing thats not what I was thinking, though the way you have put it, I guess that was what I was saying, but I wasn't trying to be "back door, patronizing, underhanded way..." because I call her fat...she shouldn't have retorted with the color issue...perhaps, as a way to criticize me...to denote her autheniticy, in an age of black consciousness. Many people with "european" features were harassed, as a matter of fact. And foolishly, I was exempted because I have "African" features....broad nose and full lips...but years prior, I was called hamburger lips and liver lips...so I was both in and out of fashio...it was such an interesting time...ok, ok, you have not asked me about my h.s. days!
Here is my initial point: My hateration, if I can quote Mary, had nothing to do with her color. Neither of us are either light skinned or dark skinned, for I am only a shade lighter than she. And she confused, for whatever reasons because I never mentioned her color, my critique of her weight (what you may call attractiveness) with color.
3.But what I'd like to know is, do you all really believe that?
You have answered your question with your own answer. My answer, however, doesn't fit your presumption, however.
I can't answer for all, but I think it happens, sure!
Let me says this using hypothetical percentages:
A dark skinned woman are discriminated against because of their color 45%, because of her looks 40%, and neither 15%; and a light skinned woman who is discriminated against because of her color 20%, her attractiveness 25%, neither 55%.
Both are victims of discrimination! But dark skinned black women are discriminated against more so for both color and attractiveness, because this is a white world, and the closer you are to being white means that even if you are unattractive, your color can get you by!
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Kola_boof
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Great point Tonya:
Do you think that people (namely dark-skinned people) are confused about the difference between unattractiveness and dark skin? Is that the point that you were trying to make? I notice that light-skinned people and white people both frequently try to make that point in a back door, patronizing, underhanded way, instead of just coming straight out and saying it. But what I'd like to know is, do you all really believe that?
Tonya
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I notice that a lot of light skinned people tend to do this. ALWAYS.
Because deep down---they believe that "most" Dark skinned people are "average" to "unattractive" looking.
And they expect us to think the same.
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Blkamericanking
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OK Kola, thanks...LOL..Now I see why you and her argue so much...LOL |
Kola_boof
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I was called hamburger lips and liver lips.
LAUGHING MY FUCK"N ASSSSSS OFF!
HAHAHAHA.
YUKIO, I love you, King. You're too much.
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Yukio
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Kola: yes, I just read it. It is not news to me...i knew that already. My point is what you said alice walker states...that was it, though I think both of you have overstated it, as I see it.
IF you are stating that light skinned women aren't really black because they haven't received racism the way dark skinned women have, THEN it is overstated!
This line of logic suggests that color and experience of racism makes one more black than another person. I don't know if this is what you are stating...also, I know that what you call black--dark skinned--is not what I call black, a range of colors. Again, I'm not sure if I'm on solid ground, which is why i have qualifed my statements and seek answers! |
Tonya
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Yukio,
***BUT ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS DARK SKINNED WOMEN'S PLIGHT IS NOT ALWAYS THE RESULT OF COLORISM***
Yes, this is sometimes true. But would you agree that when extremely unattractive light-skinned and white women get chosen over beautiful darker women (which happens all the time), it's way more often than not the result of colorism? I asked this because we are quick to point out the appearence of dark-skinned women to argue that colorism is not always the case. But we never point to the example I gave to prove that individual appearences, i.e. unattractiveness, doesn't seem to effect light-skinned/white women nearly as much as it does darker ones; which is interesting because that itself says that ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS DARK SKINNED WOMEN'S PLIGHT IS {ALMOST} ALWAYS THE RESULT OF COLORISM... Which comes across alot different than what you stated -- wouldn't you agree.
Also, if you don't mind, can you answer my last post.
Tonya |
Kola_boof
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A dark skinned woman are discriminated against because of their color 45%, because of her looks 40%, and neither 15%;
No, no, no...
I have seen drop dead CHOCOLATE beauties like the one you raved about up above, Yukio....
passed by and not even spoken to by BLACK MEN who were breaking their necks to get to a Plump, Mouse-haired WHITE WOMAN.
I have seen Black women who look as good as "Sanaa Lathan" and "Gabrielle Union" treated the same way by Black men.
No amount of beauty on a Dark Skinned Black Woman is given equal "parry" with light skinned or non-black women.
BM will FUCK beautiful "darkies"....but will MARRY average looking pock-mark faced "light women".
So your statistic should be that no matter how attractive a Black woman is....her coloring means at least 80% of how she will "rate".
Because many black men will FUCK and desert a very beautiful woman just because her beauty is wrapped in cocoa skin.
If this girl was "light skinned"---Black Male casting directors would be casting her MOVIES, but her BEAUTY doesn't override her deep black skin.
I'm sure you find her attractive, YUKIO.
Now look at her Chocolate face and almond eyes and explain to yourself why WOMEN LIKE HER are never cast as the "wife or girlfriend" in Black movies.
It's not her BEAUTY or lack of.
RIGHT?
Color means way for than 45% on a Dark woman.
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Yukio
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You see Kola...I wasn't laughing at all...and for a long time, I did not want to take pictures, as a matter of fact...I have embraced my lips and nose, now that I'm grown and especially since around 17ish...women and girls my age thought my oral prowess...lmao!!!
Ironically, last night I was talking to an "ex," a beautiful chocolate sista, and I told her that I was losing weight, and she asked me what would my face look like with those big lips? |
Kola_boof
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Yukio, I was not distinguishing who is black or not.
The fact is the following:
Halle Berry may experience some racism.
But INDIA ARIE experiences what it's like to be a "BLACK" woman.
And there IS a difference.
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Halle Berry's discrimination stems from the fact that she is a product of Black people---it's racial.
India Arie's experience stems from the fact that she IS the Black woman who taints Halle Berry's lightness. She is not only a product of race....but INDIA has the deep color and African features and African hair. She is EVERYTHING that is Blackness.
So while Black folks cherish and coddle Halle Berry for being light.....INDIA receives not only racism from the dominant culture, but also a diminished "valuation" amongst black people
--because she's black.
In the 1920's when Black men were saying: "I don't haul no coal"
...they were not saying, "I don't carry no snow."
There is a HUGE difference between being ACTUAL BLACK....and being an "Extraction" of Blackness.
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Yukio
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Kola...you know I prefer darker sisters, so why ask the question...lmao!
Also, I said that my figures were hypothetical; I no idea what the percentages are, i have read no study, etc.....I was making a very basic point, however:
Both are victims of discrimination! But dark skinned black women are discriminated against more so for both color and attractiveness, because this is a white world, and the closer you are to being white means that even if you are unattractive, your color can get you by!
Tonya:
But would you agree that when extremely unattractive light-skinned and white women get chosen over beautiful darker women (which happens all the time), it's way more often than not the result of colorism?
I say yes, but with qualifications. My difficultly is that people equate color with attractiveness, so that is color in many cases means or is equated to attractiveness.
But we never point to the example I gave to prove that individual appearences, i.e. unattractiveness, doesn't seem to effect light-skinned/white women nearly as much as it does darker ones; which is interesting because that itself says that ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS DARK SKINNED WOMEN'S PLIGHT IS {ALMOST} ALWAYS THE RESULT OF COLORISM... Which comes across alot different than what you stated -- wouldn't you agree.
Hmmm....no, I disagree with your position, because many light skinned women are just unattractive are discriminated against, not as much as dark skinned sisters, but they are...believe me, I seen it! I can't talk about what white women, I don't have the experience.
Also, your logic "if this (a) ...therefore (b).." is also off. If "a" was true, it still doesn't make "b" true.
I answered all three of your questions in the last post! |
Yukio
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kola...gotcha. |
Tonya
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*******If "a" was true, it still doesn't make "b" true.*******
"B" was always true. "A" just allowed me to state "B" more accurately. As you stated, at one point you were working on a hypothetical. "B" could've been a rush to judgement; therefore, needing a little more accuracy.
Tonya |
Yukio
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I don't agree that"ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS DARK SKINNED WOMEN'S PLIGHT IS {ALMOST} ALWAYS THE RESULT OF COLORISM..."
Many women, regardless of color or race, are unqualified, unattractive, etc....there are always gradations...to say almost always is to go beyond the very basics of humanity, which are some people are lazy, unattractives, disrespectful, etc...and these basic facts of humanity combined with white supremacist hierarchy...white, non--white...light non-white...and black or the darkest...creates dark skinned black women being the most discriminated because of race and color and but not almost always! Overstated and against the logic of humans humanity...imperfections!
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Cynique
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It is so ridiculous the way you fantasize about me and mine, kola. You've never seen any of my grandchildren but you have it in your head that they are white, which they aren't since none of my children are white or are they married to white mates. You've created this whole little scenario in your head about the particulars of my life, all of which is a sign of how mentally disturbed and obsessed you are. My grandkids come in ALL colors but you have to claim they're white in order to make your argument. tsk-tsk I pity your children because these 2 little blue-black pickinnies have a fool for a mother. Oops! Did I describe your sons wrong? Well, you know how that is. |
Tonya
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What's the difference between "NOT always" and "ALMOST always?"
...Perception, right?
Cuz technically both phrases can amount to the exact same.
But you used your phrase to spin it your way, which is questionable cuz you admitted your state of mind shortly after posting it, as evidence by your flawed percentages. And, I used my phrase to spin it my way, which I still maintain is more accurate.
Tonya |
Kola_boof
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Tonya, don't listen to YUKIO. He's a "man" and lacks the depth of information WE POSSESS.
Like I said. He does the same thing liberal white people do with black people when discussing racism.
It never occurs to him that the people suffering are filled with justifiable rage, animosity and could give a shit about the "fine layers"---but want ACTION.
And notice he never talks about distinct ACTIONARY ways of doing away with this psychosis.
And CYNIQUE---kiss my grits.
Not only does Brynn look like CASPER, but here's YOUR picture from your days at Mr. Dicklee's property:
glad your knee burns got so bad you finally retired
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Kola_boof
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Cock-suck'n WHY-N-CH!!!!
And YES...I'm a cocksucker, too, but we're not talking about that right now.
We're talking YOUR ....."tenure"...at Mr. Dicklee's place outside Chicago.
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Cynique
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I rest my case. Pitiful. |
Kola_boof
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No, the way you feeed this cat is pitiful
I hope you're not over-feeding the grandbaby, too.
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Tonya
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*********Tonya, don't listen to YUKIO.**********
Oh, I know....
I'm just calling him on the carpet and he knows where I'm coming from. It's the way things are said that determines how they're percieved -- and I disagree with you -- BLACK MEN KNOW THIS ALL TOO WELL. It fucks me up how when it comes to their plight, you batter believe they understand. But when it comes to our shit they wanna act retarded and stupid. Thus, they should get called out just like the stupid white man.
Tonya |
Blkamericanking
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Tonya,
You ALWAYS seem so angry. A decent black man will never wanna be botherd with you...LOL |
Kola_boof
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Tonya, GOTCHA!
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Wolo
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I personally don't give a damn who the word BROTHA OR SISTA WAS CREATED FOR!!!!!!!!!! BLACK PEOPLE both in America and AFRICA are not living up to the meaning of the word.............here in my neighborhood is nothing but drive by shooting, black on black crimes, drugs, hatred, jealously etc..... in africa there are wars, black on black crime, hunger etc.......therefore Cynique it really doesn't matter who invented that word, cuz we black americans are definitely not living by the meaning of the word. |
Enchanted
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Wolo huh?
Cynique's right. You're pitiful Kola.
Try again.
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Wolo
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enchanted just shut the phuck up............ cuz ur sorry ass don't know shit..........not everybody is as dumb as u are..... this is not kola neither is it tonya...... i am just sensible enough to know that black people every where are not living up to the word...BROTHA AND SISTA......IF U CAN'T SEE THAT THAN GO HELLLLLLL |
Yukio
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What's the difference between "NOT always" and "ALMOST always?"
...Perception, right?
No, "not always" is not as absolute as "almost always."
Cuz technically both phrases can amount to the exact same.
No they are not!
But you used your phrase to spin it your way, which is questionable cuz you admitted your state of mind shortly after posting it, as evidence by your flawed percentages. And, I used my phrase to spin it my way, which I still maintain is more accurate.
I'm just calling him on the carpet and he knows where I'm coming from. It's the way things are said that determines how they're percieved -- and I disagree with you -- BLACK MEN KNOW THIS ALL TOO WELL. It fucks me up how when it comes to their plight, you batter believe they understand. But when it comes to our shit they wanna act retarded and stupid. Thus, they should get called out just like the stupid white man.
You are only partially correct; I do know where you are coming from, but I disagree with you. The problem is, you and Kola for that matter, are placing me in the context of what men do, when all men nor all women rarely ever fit the categories we like to place them in. It is not that I don’t “understand your plight,” I don’t agree with you 100%, that’s all! I am sure that there are women who don’t agree with you, so what would be your excuse then?
Black men are discriminated against, and are targeted by the police…this doesn’t mean that black men aren’t committing crimes, that they are not selling drugs to their own, etc…. I have never wavered, and you can ask Kola…I am the first to admit gender inequality (besides enjoying the reviews and threads, my raison d’ etre initially was to deconstruct and elicit intellectual engagement about black male patriarchy and misogyny…thereafter, as I see it, there are men on this very board who either don’t respond to me or are curt because of the ruse).
You asked a question and I answered it. If the darker sistas’ plight was "ALMOST always" color, then that would exclude the possibility that darker skinned women, like humans in general, are themselves accountable. In other words, it would also suggest that darker skinned women are "almost always" in the right.
Kola:
It does occurs to me, though you never asked, that "the people suffering are filled with justifiable rage, animosity and could give a shit about the 'fine layers'---but want ACTION," but this doesn't also change the validity of my point. Of course, their anger is justifiable, and there should be action—but that doesn’t mean that they are “almost always” right in their accusations. That doesn't mean that they should have the unmediated right to blame "almost all" of their plight on light skinned people...what be innocent but abused...is this acceptable action? Is it just action...I can imagine a light skinned child listening to you---not unlike Pecola--and hating light skinned people for treating dark skinned people poorly; this young girl who is both hated by darker people and hates light people...Now, this doesn't change the FACT that darker women catch MORE hell than the lighter women, but do these ACTIONS justify the less love that this now light skinned women, but damaged as a girl and and continues to be as an adult, has received from her family, friends, and community?
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Kola_boof
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But I don't hate light skinned people, YUKIO.
I like a lot of them.
I just get intensely irritated when they deny colorism or try to minimize it.
I also like a lot of white people. One who I've become very close to lately is the white woman who designs all my book covers.
My rage comes out when any of these people act "blase" or dismissive about colorism.
So, of course, I don't want to see MORE HATE being circulated, but sometimes, because Humans are so frail and selfish---it's the natural outcome.
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Kola_boof
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I think one surprise you will get as you read my fiction works...is the frequent depiction of attractive lightskinned black, mixed and biracial women in my books...interacting as sisters with darker black women.
People are always surprised by this.
But they shouldn't be, if they really payed close attention to the things I say.
It really is going to take DRASTIC and INVASIVE "in-your-face" exposure of colorism to even BEGIN to move it an inch off the table.
And so I committ myself to it.
But many, many years from now--people will realize that ALWAYS included us all.
The problem is, "Blacks" claim to have a rainbow and have a blind eye for those they do not include--and in fact, DESTROY.
It can't be tolerated, especially with my background.
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Blkamericanking
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Black America is like a beautiful rainbow. Why is it so hard for people to accept ALL of us? |
Tonya
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******Tonya, You ALWAYS seem so angry. A decent black man will never wanna be botherd with you...LOL******
Actually Blackamericaking, I'm an incredibly passionate person yet I'm never really all that angry, even when I'm cussin and whatnot. If you could gauge colorism from a black woman's perspective, especially one who knows her value - MIND, BODY, AND SOUL - you'd be extemely passionate too, probably even more so since you're a man. And as for decent black men (which, by the way, is precisely how I know you'd be more passionate if you understood), I'm a very satisfied woman -- don't let my reticence fool you. I'm not here to discuss my unrelated affairs; quite frankly.. that's not my style.
Tonya |
Kola_boof
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Blkamericanking,
I'll bet any amount of money...that when your "boys" are standing around talking about who is cute and who is not...and who they will and WILL NOT date, and naming all the stereotypes about "black" women (as you yourself have backed up many of them on these boards)
you don't dare make comments like this one:
Black America is like a beautiful rainbow. Why is it so hard for people to accept ALL of us?
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So don't come throwing that bullshit in our faces.
Ask your fucking homies why they're such colorstruck self-hating assholes the next time you see them.
THAT'S WHY.
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Tonya
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Yukio, when in my posts TO YOU did I ever suggest that I hate light-skinned women, or that they should be hated? Why are you trying to change the subject, instead of thorouhgly addressing what it was I last proposed to you?
-- Perception?
Tonya |
Tonya
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LOL, Kola! That was right on time! |
Yukio
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Tonya: When in my post did I say that you "hate light-skinned women, or that they should be hated"? |
Kola_boof
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Yukio, I think there is NOTHING sexier on a man than a set of huge soup cooling lips.
Like Steve Harris from the PRACTICE.
I want to go to bed with him ONLY because of his big lips.
So don't feel bad. Many women are turned on by men with "African features"-----and some, like me, won't have a man unless he DOES have African looks.
My own man has big lips and I eat them ALLLL the time:
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Tonya
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Honestly, Yukio, You said a bunch of stuff that was comepletely irrelevant.
I'm still waiting for you to come back to where I left off. If you don't want to, I understand, but don't give me a whole mile of bullshit.
Tonya |
Yukio
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Well Kola, that your points have substance doesn't legitimize your behavior!
In this very thread, you have consistently misrepresented my posts and made claims about how I think, as if you could read my mind, because, according to you, but never stated or even suggested by my actual posts, that I was "dismissive" of colorism or that because I am a man, I don't understand your comments about the plight of the dark skinned black woman...Is all acceptable? Is this the "DRASTIC and INVASIVE "in-your-face" exposure of colorism to even BEGIN to move it an inch off the table"
tactics you use for people who I agree with you more than disagree?
Is this right? Should I, now that you pointed out that you depict lightskinned people favorably and even, god bless you, like some of them and, oh my god, even like your white illustrator, accept this treatment, smile, and give you a hug?
At what point was I either an advocated for light skinned people or white people, anyway? You speak to me like I'm walking around with a light skinned people's flag asking you to embrace me...I don't embrace colorism...in either direction...light or dark!
Are you not accountable? Or should I accept this recent, though sporadic, embrace of light skinned blacks, and forget that I once was, or perhaps still am, a black man who is both unaffected by colorism (not true) and according to our friend Tonya, at least by the fact that I am a man, that I "wanna act retarded and stupid" when it comes to the plight of black women?
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Yukio
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Honestly Tonya, if you are gonna make a claim, point it out!
I never said anyone on this thread hated light skinned women. Don't try to dismiss my post by stating that I said things that are irrelevant. To whom?
Whose bullshitting whom? I answered all of your questions. You have yet to tell me which question I did not answer. If you point it out, if I have not responded I will do so, but if you make a claim, point it out...it is only right...otherwise, don't make the claim!
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Yukio
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Kola...I was a child then, so your comments, though sincere and appreciable, are unnecessary...I have made points...listen to the points. |
Kola_boof
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Yukio, I was just trying to be nice.
#1--I didn't get the "feeling" that you were agreeing with me, but later when you made yourself more clear....I saw that you WERE
although
it was in a backhanded way, because you DID NOT agree with the Morehouse Professor, and I did agree with him 100%, which is why I didn't trust your "sentiments".
#2--And Fuck lightskinned people or you accepting anything at all. I could give a shit.
Seriously.
As I said before. I have my own agenda and I know better than anyone...what to do.
I see the fibers of this "society" VERY WELL.
And because I'm African, it's only natural that I feel the MOST gravity towards the ones who are the most African. That's the way it's supposed to be....and if the REST truly loved their blackness and loved their ancestors....then they would be BLACKER by now. That's a FACT.
But increasingly, they have proven otherwise---and it shows.
So while I may be nice and CHOOSE to "love" light folks...it doesn't mean I'm a damned fool.
#3---No matter what you've experienced, it IS because you're a "Black man" that I don't completely trust your viewpoint...especially since it's not strong enough for my tastes.
I don't see any real value in your "sentiments" or your "intelligence"....with regard to what needs to be done.
You speak and yet I don't FEEL anything.
I'm not going to post to you anymore on this subject, because I've really said all I want to.
Book 'em Tonya.
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Mrs_hart
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Recently, there was an article in the White media regarding people getting preferential treatment in the work place because they were perceived to be more attractive. Which may not be fair, but is human nature.
There was another news article stating that men are still given higher wages than women---because they are men! This too is not fair, but has been going on for quite some time!
I have been reading where colorism is seen and experienced all over the world. Even Whites have a thing for the lightest eye, fairest and blondest male/female.
On a personal note, I have to say that I never knew of this so-called "colorism" in my family or community. And that is because in MOST Black American families, there are a so many different hues of skin color. Like all racisim in America, it has to be TAUGHT.
Maybe because I came from a progessive, huge and Northern American city. This crap was never discussed and I had never seen it in action until I came South.
I find that colorism is actually a major practice among Blacks than Whites--especially in the South.
In my experiences the missing link in the work world has ALWAYS been the Black Man.
In an office where Blacks are employed in any number, I find no trouble in finding Black females of any hue. But the brothers are missing in huge droves! I have been in several corporate settings where the Black women are HOPING that the next hire will be a BROTHER!
My "colorism" wake up call has been in the South---that originator of all things "ism."
Although, where I am, Blacks are very educated, I find that darker-skinned women here love to lay in wait for the lighter-skinned women.
They thought me to be "religious" because I would not participate in this "secret society" of Black female on Black female dirty hate game.
I am part of the generation that celebrates American Blackness in all of it's diversity.
The idea and experience that Blacks after being given their Civil Rights, think that they HAVE to play this SKIN GAME is something very sickening and disheartening to witness. It is as if the 60's never happened.
I have seen first hand, here in the South, where dark skinned women willing and blatantly discriminate against other blacks with the "quiet" approval of White management.
For the White manager, this is a way discriminate against Black people on the job while hiding in the background.
And as for the cry against lighter-skinned people with long hair---which is truly stupid---ALL Black women have LONG hair now. In the South, weaves are defintely in and EVERYBODY has long hair! I mean, look at today's fashion. EVERYBODY is wearing weaves and extensions on the cover of magazines and in videos.
The only Hollywood Black who actually wears her hair natural and short is Halle Berry---although she has been sporting a wig of late.
In Black American history, all of us have been used as tools to some extent. But also in Black America, we all had the same goal for one another.
I wish that Southern Blacks were not so racist against themselves.
In the South, I have also noticed that the darker-skinned females will accept a lighter one if she is perceived to be "street" or not very attractive or over weight (which is a BIG problem in the American South).
I have also know that Black females being taught to hate the lighter ones here in the South---so that they are always thinking that somebody is out to get them. Even when being treated nice or respectful.
It's definitely a sickness. This being preoccupied with one's skin tone. Like I stated before, where I came from, this wasn't an issue. It was an issue on the school playground where everybody was outed. You were taunted for being too stupid, too smart, too ugly, too nice, too tall, too short, too fat, too thin, too dark, too light. You were taunted to not having a father.
In my Northern experience, as we matured we left all of that CRAP behind. All racial groups do the same on the school grounds--then they outgrow it.
But come South and you see the discrimination coming from all directions.
By the way, I have a friend is from Miami, which is in the South as well. But states that this was never an issue. I think that the bigger cities are not practicing this throw-back to slavery as much as Southern blacks are.
Most Black Northerners put the emphasis on education and training. They know that to get ahead they have to be better than their White counterparts. The issue is not on the continuation of the destruction of the Black race from within, which institutionally was a practice put into place by the ruling White majority.
There are many Trojan Horses hoping to get on the bandwagon to divide the success of Black society. The upper classes of Blacks can be bought off. But working class Blacks are very cohesive.
It is this cohesiveness that many outsiders want to exploit.
Read about the Trojan Horse Watch.
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Tonya
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Mrs Hart, why all the spiteful Rhetoric against dark-skinned women? Haven't jealous hearted Jack & Jill supporters like you done enough to them over the years? Yet you say you're here to encourage us to make love, to pass out trojans, and to watch. What? No darkies allowed in your multihued erotica?
I say you're here to promote the same ol' same ol', Mrs. Hart, the status quo.
Tonya
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Tonya
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...Book 'er, Yukio! -- since you say you're not an advocate for either side. |
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Tonya, I could not get ever get into Jack and Jill. Quite frankly, I never cared.
Black Americans are very creative and have always found ways to get around and to get over.
Once Black Americans achieved their civil rights, they used their MINDS to achieve what it was they wanted out of life.
I am from the Black and Proud days. An era that said "You're a Shining Star."
I didn't grow up in small-town or slave mentality ignorance.
My people had already paved the way for me and all others. Therefore, truly, it was all up to me now.
My generation didn't hate people who had better clothing, or looks. We looked at them and said "I can have that too!"
My dislike for ANY PERSONS is a negative attitude.
I don't care what hue your skin is or whether I can join this or that club.
I am attracted to intelligent and creative minds.
Convenincing one's self that one can not get ahead because somebody else may living the ideal is complete rubish.
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Renata
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I don't know anything about "Jack and Jill" so I did a little research on them. I found the following article:
http://www.rakemag.com/stories/section_detail.aspx?itemID=5043&catID=152&SelectC atID=152
The writer mentions that people are usually denied membership if a spouse or parent are non-black. So, I'm not getting that they're colorist against darker skinned people. From that one article, the opposite seems to be true. Also, he says the club is for "upper crust" black people. (I do acknowledge that the writer may have prejudices/an agenda in a certain direction that doesn't include what others may think of that organization.)
Tonya, maybe you know something about them that I don't know? What's bad about their organization? |
Renata
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I once thought about writing about the "black elite", but I don't know enough about them. I do know that they exist in Atlanta, their children are the ones who attend Morehouse and Spelman, they live in half million dollar homes in Alpharetta and other suburbs, and they attend "historically black" churces such as Ebenezer. |
Renata
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Editorial Review of "My Kind of People" by Lawrence Otis Graham at Amazon.com
From Publishers Weekly
Graham, an African-American attorney, went undercover as a busboy at an all-white Connecticut country club and wrote about the experience first in New York magazine and then in Member of the Club, his 1996 book of essays. Now, he switches his attention from the white to the black elite. Graham spent six years researching the history of the African-American upper crust and this book is both a thorough work of social history and a thoughtful appraisal of his own place in the black social hierarchy. Graham makes clear that the black elite has always been strongly shaped by the peculiarly intertwined American preoccupations with color and class, noting that, in the past, most members of the black elite felt they were "superior to other blacks and to most whites." Stressing the importance of surrounding themselves with "like-minded people," the black elite enrolled their children in certain social clubs, which were training grounds for the social graces and created the foundation of a black old-boy network. Graham stops short of offering an apology for behavior that is hard to characterize as anything other than snobbish (he himself had a nose job when he was 26 so that he would have a less "Negroid" look). But he does bemoan a dwindling interest in tradition, and he suggests that it wasn't such a bad thing to grow up in the 1960s and '70s without the "sense of anger and dissatisfaction the rest of black America" expressed in those years. Graham has produced a book that casts an unblinking eye on America's black elite, cataloguing its achievements while critically analyzing its shortcomings. It is a must read for anyone interested in African-American history and the impact of ideas about social class on our society. 16 pages of photos. BOMC main selection; first serial to U.S. News and World Report; author tour.
Re: From the words "it wasn't such a bad thing to grow up in the 1960s and '70s without the "sense of anger and dissatisfaction the rest of black America" expressed in those years", it seems that perhaps they didn't feel angry because they didn't experience the same thing. I wonder if perhaps they were strongly colorist (which I really think they were), and so may not have received the same treatment as other blacks, and as such, didn't feel "the movement" was important. |
Renata
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Yep, I get it now. I was reading a small portion of the book, where he described how instead of being told to sit at the back of the bus, or being sent to substandard segregated schools, the black elite's children rode in private cars and went to private schools.
He also notes, interestingly, how his grandmother (a light skinned, upper class woman) didn't think much of the civil rights movement, and how she was proud that a black man won an Oscar, but was upset that it was a dark skinned man (Sidney Poitier). Perhaps she felt that granting rights to ALL blacks would make darker skinned blacks as equal to whites as she thought only she was, and as such, she was no longer special?
He also notes that age six he "already understood the importance of achieving a better shade of black." That's quite a disgusting thing for a six year old to learn.
Anyways, I'm sorry, I'm just rambling on about some information I found after researching the "Jack and Jill" clubs. It's early.
Carry on. |
Blkamericanking
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Kola,
Actually, I don't have friends who are colorstruck, because I simply refuse to hang around people like that. If I see or hear someone saying anything against dark skinned people, you can be damn sure I would be upset.
From experience, I agree with you that black people in general are color struck out here in California. I live in Cali now but I am from Mississippi, so fortunately I've had the opportunity to experience how black people behave in both states. I remember when I was in high school out here in Cali, I would see dark skinned males and females who would only date someone who was light skinned. In California all of the sistas chase after light skinned men with curly. As a black man, do you know how that makes me feel? A lot of times I feel like packing my bags and heading back to the south, where black women are not so damn ignorant. Kola, I am telling you all of this sis because from my experience, i honestly agree with you that colorism is a big problem on the west coast, but in the south you would have a different experience with Black Americans. I really would like to encourage you to take the time and travel throughout the south and meet dark, brown and light skinned Black Americans, and I honestly think how you feel about light skinned people will change.
There are light skinned people in the south who will love and repsect you as a sista just as quick as any dark skinned person would. |
Yukio
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Tonya:
Thats funny...I'm not a colorist, so why should I have to pick sides among black people. Booker, actually, backed black people but like Garvey and Du Bois, and our colleague/sister, nemesis, friend, etc...KOla, he was stubborn.
Kola:
I made myself clear by QUOTING MYSELF! I DIDN'T ADD ANYTHING! YOU SHOULD HAVE READ IT THE FIRST TIME! INSTEAD YOU MADE ERRONEOUS CLAIMS.
The Morehouse Professor's essay was poorly written: it was too, too long, poor use of evidence, etc...thats what my comments were about. Also, he did not add anything to the conversation and it was overstated. A good writer will skillfuly balance their analysis, simultaneously laying out their thesis/claim, etc...make your point and get out of there...also, I can read stuff like that on a computer screen, i'm already half blind as it is...lol! (but still true).
I read it and heard it long, long ago....I'm from Harlem, KOla....I grew up hearing folk like you, hutchinson, et al... since I was a child walking along 125th...as a child; I was the kid that people talk about who went with his sisters everywhere all times of night, running the streets and throughout Harlem, relishing in the culture of the Harlem---from the beginning to the present! This is part of my rearing. I grew up never using the word African American...only black, everybody was black to me, regardless of accents, language, etc...I was a romantic panAfricanist before I new what it meant to be panAfricanist, and I to be taught by relatives about colorism, by west indians about their separate culture...cuz i didn't understand being a yankee...lmao, by southerners about too being a yankee...and by africans about being what one call a white man with black skin... (ironically and ideologically, he was the whitest of white men...he knew only white scholars, and constantly quoted shakespeare....fortunately, he was one African of many that I have met and known and loved). I was a romantic...I just saw black--not color, I gave no preference, you were either with us or a sell-out...not black conscious, but now I know better...
#2--And Fuck lightskinned people or you accepting anything at all. I could give a shit.
I agree...fuck lightskinned people or me accepting anything at all. I too don't give a shit...lmao!
I have my own opinions, and have for a long time, as you know. I love black people and all of our range of complexions. I see colorist on both sides...and you my dear, are a colorist!
#3---No matter what you've experienced, it IS because you're a "Black man" that I don't completely trust your viewpoint...especially since it's not strong enough for my tastes.
I don't see any real value in your "sentiments" or your "intelligence"....with regard to what needs to be done.
You speak and yet I don't FEEL anything.
I'm not asking for you approval, but for you to read what I say if you choose to respond to me...if you have something to say to me, read what I have said rather than throw darts blind folded and then half way retract them, as you have done here and many times...i'm not asking for approval but respect. I have never disrespected you!
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Mrs_hart
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I've read the book also. I've had it for years. The book is mainly about "classism" because for all of those Blacks with money to escape the insults and injuries of the lower-clased blacks, they used their own cars and schools.
On the other hand, lower-class Whites had to deal with their Black counterparts at school, and couldn't really escape like those with money.
Lawrence Otis wrote the book in order for other classes and races of America to get a glimpse of what like was like for them.
I didn't like a lot of attitudes in the book, but these were OUR Captains of Industry, so to speak.
Like I stated above, America is the place to be if your are intelligent and creative.
A lot of the poorer and/or darker Blacks simply used their talent or intellect to get over.
Fredrick Douglas, Madame C.J.Walker, Mrs. Bethune, Harriet Tubman, Oprah Winfrey---and all of those fabulous writers and entertainers during the the 20's, 30's and 40's. James Balwin--who was just fabulous! Martin Luther King, Jr.
Black and poor American people have always had to make a way and we have!!!!!
We exploded all of the "ism's" and so those little clubs are relegated to the dust-bin of time.
There are still clubs that all sorts of people cannot ever get into.
But just like Oprah, you make YOUR OWN club.
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Tonya
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*****I didn't grow up in small-town or slave mentality ignorance.*****
Yet you are quick to assume that people of your kind are hated for their style, their culture, their looks ( their "good hair," right? ).
Just by reading your last post.. I can tell that the NEGROS of your ilk and "from your generation".. surely was proud....
Perhaps a little too proud, Miss Hart.
Maybe it's time to move aside for the new generation.
Tonya
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Mrs_hart
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Hello Blackamericanking:
"Actually, I don't have friends who are colorstruck, because I simply refuse to hang around people like that. If I see or hear someone saying anything against dark skinned people, you can be damn sure I would be upset.
From experience, I agree with you that black people in general are color struck out here in California. "
I too lived in Cali and still have some family members living there.
Being from a "chocolate" city made Cali, indeed, a culture shock.
I have to admit that I loved all of the different groups living there. I learned a lot and loved learning and living amongst different groups.
I came South, and it's just all BLACK AND WHITE hum-drum again.
Sometimes when out at a club, Black men were defintely gravitating to other races of women. But you knew what clubs they were and avoided them.
That is how I survived.
I do want to say something in regards to my nephews, who were of middle-school/high school age then.
They couldn't get any Black girls to date them. They were nice and handsome, but they complained that the Black girls always had attitudes. They then started talking to the White girls who they said laughed at ALL OF THEIR CORNY JOKES.--I had to laugh out loud to this one because Richard Pryor had always said that White girls were easy!
When I explained to them that the Black girls probably had more to deal with at home and in life generally---and not to give up on them---they said "Aunty, we would date ANY GIRL that would have us!"
So it's not all one-sided or one way. Black boys and men are having a hard time with the attitudes of some Black women.
I didn't like the Black men in Southern Cali because they didn't have the grounding and "Blackness" thing that my big city west of the Mississippi upbringing had taught me. They were kind of, well, bland.
Many Black people who came from the East Coast or other "chocolate" cities often complained of the same thing. They were simply too bland.
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Schakspir
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Kola: I have heard a lot about these PILES of black boys down in Brazil as they try to whiten their population.
Schakspir: That's funny. I've been to Brazil twice, was all over the place, and although I saw blacks begging and living in the streets I didn't see piles of black kids. You need to put the crack pipe down, you baboon.
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Blkamericanking
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Mrs_hart,
Thanks for sharing that. I can honestly say I know what your nephews went through, cause I went through the same thing in high shcool. I moved to California when I started my freshman year in high shcool and It was really a big culture shock for me. I also enjoyed all of the beautiful diversity here.
I really don't understand why black people out here are so ignorant. I have seen black women who would rather be with a guy who was damn near white with curly hair, than to be with a dark brotha, even if that dark brotha is strong, smart, and ready to settle down and start a family. I just thank God, the majority of blacks in other parts of the coutry are not as ignorant as the blacks on the west coast. |
Schakspir
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"Yukio, I think there is NOTHING sexier on a man than a set of huge soup cooling lips.
Like Steve Harris from the PRACTICE.
I want to go to bed with him ONLY because of his big lips.
So don't feel bad. Many women are turned on by men with "African features"-----and some, like me, won't have a man unless he DOES have African looks.
My own man has big lips and I eat them ALLLL the time..."
Yukio, please note: she is contradicting herself again here. Previously she said she didn't have a mate, but now....oh, well, this is what one learns to expect from psychotics. |
Tonya
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Yukio, I'm sorry -- I didn't forget you. I'm reposting my last question. If you feel you've already answered it, don't worry about it.
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What's the difference between "NOT always" and "ALMOST always?"
...Perception, right?
Cuz technically both phrases can amount to the exact same.
But you used your phrase to spin it your way, which is questionable cuz you admitted your state of mind shortly after posting it, evidence by your flawed percentages. And, I used my phrase to spin it my way, which I still maintain is more accurate.
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My bad. I meant to say "...evident by your flawed percentages..."
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Kola_boof
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YUKIO
I waited and waited...to see what your response to all that Status Quo drivel by the "yellow skinned" Mrs. Hart would be....and the fact that you didn't respond in any way whatsoever is PROOF POSITIVE that everything I've said about you is 100% right.
Her attitude is exactly the kind that has allowed this problem to spiral out of control in the community....because living in her yellow skin...she's like a white woman who can't see two feet in front of her.
Yet I notice you didn't take the opportunity to BACK UP what you claim to feel.
You're just as "Jive ass" on this issue as anybody else-----and silence equals CONSENT.
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Kola_boof
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Mrs. Hart
On another thread, you made an insanely ignorant comment---purporting to judge by an "American standard"----my experiences with Osama Bin Laden.
Alluding to some idiocy that I claimed in one breath to be raped...but then called my rapist handsome and said that I was draped in silk.
You weren't, however, woman enough to acknowledge the timeline...the location...or the cultural setting of all this "WHORISH BLACK BEHAVIOR".
(1) I have eyes in my head, so obviously...I could see what the man who raped me looked like. Yes, he was very handsome at the time that I knew him.
I have also described him as---Satan, a beast, a poet, the most brilliant man I ever met, the devil, an asshole, Ike Turner, an evil bastard.
Where did you miss all that?
And why aren't you INTELLIGENT ENOUGH to separate slack melodramatics (YOURS) from the line item description of real events........events, mind you.......that took place 10 years ago.
You think I should still be crying?
You think that was the first time I'd ever been raped?
Osama raped me on the first night that I met him in Marrakech.
He discovered that I spoke Arabic and that my vagina is "infibulated"---which is how he likes his women.
I was in a Muslim North African country where women have NO RIGHTS...and I was mortally fearful of Osama Bin Laden and afraid for my life.
Millions...not thousands....MILLLIONS of North African women (young girls, really) meet their husbands during a "rape", Mrs. Hart.
Have you, an arrogant American bitch, ever stopped to consider such FACTS?
I was taken by Osama's men to La Maison Arabe (the estate that is owned by Prince Fabrizio Ruspoli, the person whose testimony PROVED that not only was I there----but that I didn't want to be there).
After that....I attempted to make Osama Bin Laden fall in love me....for SEVERAL REASONS, all of which are detailed in my autobiography, but the #1 reason was to "save my life".
After the initial rape....I had sex with him atleast 150 additional times.
We were now in a RELATIONSHIP. Rapist or not.
Those 150 times were consensual, because I was his girlfriend, but was terrified of him.
I could give a shit what you think about me----but don't use "rape" as a means to slander and judge other females.
When young women in Morocco run to the police to report a "rape", Mrs. Hart---you know what happens?
The police rape and beat them as well.
You need to EDUCATE YOURSELF.
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Schakspir
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Kola, have you ever considered getting professional help?
All of us have problems with this racist/colorist bullshit here in the USA, but you seriously have a one-track mind....you and your shadow Tonya.
BTW you keep talking about the glory of blue-blacks when you yourself are half-Arab and, judging from the pic, NOT blue-black, but more of a dark nut-brown.
C'mon, lady, this stuff is getting SOOOOOOO old.... |
Schakspir
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"When young women in Morocco run to the police to report a "rape", Mrs. Hart---you know what happens?
The police rape and beat them as well."
Oh, don't worry about THEM, Kola. They're just a bunch of bastard cornbread-faced gooks, remember? Who are they in the scheme of your blacker-than-thou universe, where the Two Black Crows are God and Inky is the father and Bosko and Honey the Son and the Holy motherfucking Ghost?? |
Prettybabygirl
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Kola Boof was a women's rights activist in Morocco. She fought for the rights of Arab Muslim women.
Her first books were published by Fez Press in Morocco.
She was kicked out of Morocco in 1997 for opposing the stoning of a group of Arab Muslim Lesbians. The women were stoned anyway.
Schakspir, I find you to be the most non-intelligent, vulgar, hateful poster that I have ever seen on this board.
You obviously are jealous of Kola and your presence here is from hatred of her. I'm so glad she's ignoring you as I suggested she do. You have no idea how you're turning off a lot of women on this board who otherwise might have checked out your books.
Let me fill you in. Kola has been in a relationship with her children's father, Thomas, for 10 years off and on. She's a professional cook and a stay at home mom.
You keep attacking this woman yet you don't seem to know anything about her life. Which makes you look like a jealous bitter hack.
The fact that you're a black man battering a black woman makes it even worse.
I had planned on ordering your book when you first came as P. Lewis, but now I can see that you are thes same savage from the cover of your book.
Kola, carry on and I'm glad you told that stupid Mrs. Hart where to get off.
College girls got your back.
OK. Back to lurking.
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Cynique
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In other words, Kola Boof can dish it out, but she can't take. How can this loose cannon with an arsenal of bizarre pictures and profane language portray herself as a victim?? Not only that, she's frantic to lead black americans down the road to chaos with her fanaticism. Who needs her? Answer: tonya, her comrade in insanity. |
Schakspir
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This is very sad indeed. I might just consider NOT wasting my time posting here. Too many nutcases, and not enough thinking people like Cynique and Blkamericanking!
BTW Morocco is an Arab nation. To quote the great Kola Boof, in her infinite wisdom, the Arab is not our brother but a devil bastard child. Now Moroccan women are the sisters of those devil children. Put two and two together....Oh, well, I guess I've just wasted more of my time here....shit. |
Kola_boof
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PrettyBabygirl, thank you so much, sista.
I owe you.
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Schakspir
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And not only that, Kola would dare not comment on that so-called "crappy" book that I wrote, and all those horrible things Ishmael Reed said about it. What major author anywhere in the world has given Kola Boof kudos--I mean, actual ones, not invented ones? |
Kola_boof
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Derrick Bell is a bigger author than Ishamel Reed.
He's called me "the new Alice Walker".
Nigerian Scholar CHINWEIZU, whose books were edited by Toni Morrison has called Kola Boof the most important African woman writer since Nawal El Sadaawi.
Dick Gregory calls Kola Boof his "niece". And Joe Madison, the former head of the NAACP, has praised Kola Boof to the high heavens--of course, they're very close friends.
The former Prime Minister of Israel, Netanyahu, has featured Kola Boof on his web site as one of the---"10 women in the world he most admires."
But there will be 8 top authors chosen from 20 glowing blurbs I've received when my next novel, "The Sexy Part of the Bible" is released next year.
And MOST of the male authors you admire Schakspir.....are personal friends of Kola Boof.
They love sitting around the pool flicking water on her tits and laughing at her witty jokes---or arguing politics while eating her delicious food.
Ta-ta
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Schakspir
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Earth to Kola:
prove it. |
Yukio
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Good morning/afternoon people!
Kola...you are ridiculous...am I "out of time" (a la Denzel...lmao!). That I didn't respond to who? Mrs_Hart? Who is that? ...lmao! do I NEED to respond to her...have I, some how, proven myself dishonest?
And who would be the judge? Is it you....You? Are YOU my judge? Can be!
Oh Kola...is there still time left...let me redeeem myself...i will buy your books, i will wear your t-shirt...
Seriously, let me make some coffee...well, actually, I spent too much time on here yesterday and this morning...so I'll holla this evening!
Peace and Hair Grease!
As for Mrs_Hart, though I haven't read her posts, that Trojan Horse Watch thing gives me the creeps...no disrespect Mrs- Hart, but it looks as if you belongs to some occult! BUt they say, don't judge a book by its cover...maybe i'll read it kola, for you my dear...i'll "almost always" do anything...what do you look like tonya...when I first wake up...i'm flirtatious, hungry, and need coffee so forgive me...but what cha look like? |
Schakspir
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BTW Derrick Bell was the guy who wrote "Faces at the Bottom of the Well" and one other book, and FYI he is NOT by any stretch of the imagination more prominent than Ishmael Reed.
And Netanyahu? Of course. You probably work for him. |
Kola_boof
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Prove it.
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Oh Schakspir,
You can BUY my autobiography.
It's a glamorous tell-all memoir after all.
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Kola_boof
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You've got to be a serious quack to claim that Ishmael Reed is in the same league as Derrick Bell.
Bell is STILL a hitmaker, his recent book "Silent Covents" topped the N.Y.Times Bestseller lists----the year before that he hit #1 with "Ethical Ambition".
His books are major hits in Europe, Australia as well.
He's won far more awards and accolades than Reed.
He made history for being kicked off the chair at HARVARD.
He's published 2 1/2 times more books than REED.
What industry are YOU in?
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Schakspir
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Kola, Derrick Bell is not really a fiction writer. Being wildly successful(which he actually is not--only moderately so), winning awards and accolades, does not make automatically make you a brilliant writer. I'm not saying he isn't.
Furthermore Reed has obviously published MORE books because he's, well, duhh, been around a whole lot longer(since '67).
And besides THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE HE EVEN GAVE YOU ACCOLADES. Us thinking people on this board want proof, not mystical Elijah Muhammad-type warbling about your past, etc. WE WANT FACTS. |
Kola_boof
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You are so full of it.
Go to Amazon.Com and count the books REED has published....against the titles by Derrick Bell.
Next up---Ishmael Reed has never once hit the top of the N.Y. Times Bestseller List...OR....the L.A. Times List (where he lives in Cali)
Bell has hit #1 on the N.Y. Times List 4 times.
His books are not fiction, but he's still a fantastic writer AND his level of writing is quite more difficult and probing than Reed's.
I consider Ishmael Reed to be a relic of the Black Arts-type movement....a sexist pig....not a single book by him is a "classic". He's not even a black man. But rather one of those red-mouthies who puts down black women, married and procreated WHITE and pimps the black community for whatever old fashioned chauvinism is left in it.
I completely despise Ishmael Reed and Stanley Crouch (although, sometimes, I do like Stanley--but it's a secret).
You can read Derrick Bell's accolades of me...in THE NEW YORK TIMES---he, along with Joe Madison, defended me in their article attacking me years ago.
Or you can read my autobiography.
Or you can email Troy Johnson, the owner of this site: troy@aalb.com
Everyone knows that Derrick Bell and I are close friends.
You constantly attack, but you don't know anything about me.
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Schakspir
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Post Number: 60
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You are so full of it.
Go to Amazon.Com and count the books REED has published....against the titles by Derrick Bell.
Next up---Ishmael Reed has never once hit the top of the N.Y. Times Bestseller List...OR....the L.A. Times List (where he lives in Cali)
Bell has hit #1 on the N.Y. Times List 4 times.
His books are not fiction, but he's still a fantastic writer AND his level of writing is quite more difficult and probing than Reed's.
I consider Ishmael Reed to be a relic of the Black Arts-type movement....a sexist pig....not a single book by him is a "classic". He's not even a black man. But rather one of those red-mouthies who puts down black women, married and procreated WHITE and pimps the black community for whatever old fashioned chauvinism is left in it."
All that is beside the point.
Hitting the best-seller list doesn't make you great--if that were so, the author of Harry Potter should be worthy of a Pulitzer.
Maybe Derrick Bell IS the better writer, but like I said, he does not write fiction. You do. He is not really in the position to judge your fiction. And besides some of us want hard proof that he gave you accolades, because I can find none--at least on Google. (Maybe there are more of them in your dreams.)
As small as my track record is in the lit world I don't need to overinflate it. |
Kola_boof
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Oh...
and compared to "your career", P. Lewis.
Kola Boof's will be WILDLY successful.
I'm now being publishing by one of the largest houses in the world.
Not only that, but my writing is superior to yours. Since you're in the INDUSTRY---just ask people about Kola Boof's "writing".
Personal feelings aside...NO ONE can deny that I'm a helluva writer.
"Diary of a Lost Girl" and next year---"The Sexy Part of the Bible" and "Happy Days Are Here Again: Poems".....will all be star turns.
Also, you may have noticed that my previous books have been purchased for a CD ROM on "Black Women Writers".....it's an anthology of LITERARY writers only:
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/1/8906.html?1136666693
**I never went to school...but my books are also in the curriculumn at 4 Universities:
Brown University--Women's Studies/African A. Lit.
Northwestern University--Africana Studies
Cal Poly Technical--Black Studies
Cornel University--AA literature
So why are people just giving me all this for FREE---since you claim I'm a no talent hack and phoney?
And you know what else?
SOMEONE...says that you're really ABM. And if that's true. It will kill me.
I had wondered why you were allowing this man to attack me.
I'll hate you forever---and with such intensity--the center of the earth will open up to entomb you forever living; but forever burning.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1229
Registered: 07-2005
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*****************...when I first wake up...i'm flirtatious, hungry, and need coffee so forgive me...but what cha look like?********************
Didn't you hear Kola?!?!? -- Until you begin to show some balls around here..
(no pun intented)..
ya gets none!
LOL...
Tonya |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1160
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In the CD ROM titled "Black Thought"---these are the people I'm published alongside:
Ossie Davis, Rita Dove, Amiri Baraka, Derek Walcott, Toni Morrison, Cornel West, August Wilson, Henry Louis Gates, Jr., and the Estates of James Baldwin, Langston Hughes, W.E.B. Du Bois, James Weldon Johnson, Paul Robeson, Carl Rowan, Zora Neale Hurston, and Malcolm X, among many others.
Pretty good for a "hack writer" who never went to school.
ALSO, P. Lewis--pick up a copy of the literary anthology "POLITICALLY INSPIRED"
Z.Z. Packer and Kola Boof are the only two BLACK writers featured in the whole collection. I had actually replaced her, but when she heard all the raves about how great my story was....she came back to the project.
It was one of the 10 BEST BOOKS of 2003 at KIRKUS.
National Book Award Winner Charles Baxter, Stewart O'Nan, Michelle Tea, David Rees, Anthony Swofford, Elizabeth Tallent and Stephen Elliott also appear in the book.
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Schakspir
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Post Number: 61
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"Oh...
and compared to "your career", P. Lewis.
Kola Boof's will be WILDLY successful.
I'm now being publishing by one of the largest houses in the world."
Sure. Door of Kush is huge. So big. Massively huge. And I really am sure that Random House will publish your shit, they'll publish anything that sells. BUT HIGH SALES ARE NOT ALWAYS AN INDICATOR OF GENIUS. Duhhh. Even if my career is a disastrous flop my writing will always be superior because I don't spout insane rhetoric every time a fly lands on my kneecap.
All the stuff I hear about you is entirely hearsay. Until I get proof I will take it for what it is--fantasy.
Whether you hate me or not is irrelevant. I don't hate you, though I should(you aren't even real)--it's just that I'm not preoccupied with what you think and what you believe. To me, all of your neuroses are irrelevant. You're not important. On the other hand, you have a knack for manipulating and conning other gullible blacks into following your neo-fascist agenda of black purity, which is strange considering you yourself(allegedly)are not pure black. So in a sense, you are quite misleading and dangerous....You keep projecting your North-East African politics onto an American situation, and it simply doesn't work. You think the people attacking you here are full of fury when, in reality, they are mostly just amsuing themselves hearing you scream. Shout and rant all you like, most of the world still can't hear you. |
Kola_boof
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Uh
OK.
Now I know, at least, that you're NOT Abm.
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Tonya
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*************...i'll "almost always" do anything...**************
And I'd be doing YOU the favor, by the way.... Don't even get it twisted.
Tonya |
Eyona
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schakspir u sound very jealous of this women.... is it possible that u are looking for attention for ur OWN book by attacking HER?????????????????? I AM SO SICK OF YOUR KIND!! GET A LIFE
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Schakspir
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Post Number: 62
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"schakspir u sound very jealous of this women.... is it possible that u are looking for attention for ur OWN book by attacking HER?????????????????? I AM SO SICK OF YOUR KIND!! GET A LIFE"
Get a clue. Become literate first of all--then you will understand what is being said. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1235
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Kola, I'm just curious -- how were you able to get all of this info on this guy? |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1162
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Tonya,
Info on WHAT guy?
Who are you talking about?
Also, why doesn't Schakspir PROVE that I'm a fake and a fraud?
He hasn't provided any proof.
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Schakspir
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Post Number: 63
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Why doesn't Kola prove what Derrick Bell said about her, and all that other jazz about her being in the Sudanese rebel army. We WANT PROOF, BABY. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1236
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***Who are you talking about?***
Schakspir -- AKA P. LEWIS -- AKA ABM...
***why doesn't Schakspir PROVE that I'm a fake and a fraud? He hasn't provided any proof.***
Cuz he prob'ly don't have any.
Tonya |
Prettybabygirl
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Post Number: 32
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I'm with Kola.
Why don't you prove that she hasn't been?
I read a news article about Kola Boof's poem being used to bury the President of Sudan. They said that she's a member of the rebel army.
I also read the article of Derrick Bell in the New York Times where he praised Kola Boof.
So where is your proof, Schakspir?
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Kola_boof
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PrettyBabygirl,
everyone here has read those articles but his dumb ass.
It's why nobody's jumping in with him.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1164
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Tonya,
I received several emails of people telling me that they believe Schakspir is ABM.
But now that I read some of Schakspir's "theories" about why I'm a danger.
He can't possibly be ABM.
They have totally different ideological beliefs.
And you can also "GOOGLE" P. Lewis the writer.
NOTE:
I see that as much as I talk about Derrick Bell...he would have SUED me by now if I were making up stories about him.
Derrick appears in my autobiography more than a few times and I quote many of the praiseful things he's said. As well as the disagreements.
I'm certain with Derrick being a LAWYER, he would take legal action if I was
OH WELL. That right there shows you how stupid this P. Lewis boy is.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1237
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Gotchu |
Mrs_hart
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"Kola, have you ever considered getting professional help?"---That one had me laughing really hard out loud!
This is not a put-down, Kola, even though you have used very bad language to me for no reason at all.
But, until last week, I had never heard of you. All of your cussing and ranting and forehead vein throbbing, leads me to believe that you aren't worth it.
People will say anything. I doubt if you will be the next Alice Walker. Now there's a gifted, intelligent, thoughtful and mature Black woman.
There's something wrong with you, and that is just from reading all of your posts since the past few days I have been here.
You act like a crack-addict. I understand that you went through a lot and that you have been under psychiatric care, but to use utterly nasty profanity because people in America have the right to their own views demonstrates that you are really off your rocker.
Come one, Kola. Show me how insane you are and cuss me out.
By the way Kola, why did your Black man leave you?
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1165
Registered: 02-2005
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Here you go Prettybabygirl. Thanks
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9xfzMVgVwjIJ:khartoum.usembassy.gov/uploads/i mages/TXF5kkdVMo0cevxbTbEbwA/SudanNewsFeed08072005.pdf+Sudan+News-Feed+Kola+Boof &hl=en
My poem was read on national t.v. in SUDAN and EGYPT that day as well.
And the SPLA would not give a WOMAN that distinction under any circumstances if she weren't a high ranking officer---as well as someone close to Garang's heart.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1166
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Sorry.
I'm on page 3 of the top stories in Sudan re: Garang's funeral.
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Schakspir
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Post Number: 66
Registered: 12-2005
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"I'm with Kola.
Why don't you prove that she hasn't been?
I read a news article about Kola Boof's poem being used to bury the President of Sudan. They said that she's a member of the rebel army.
I also read the article of Derrick Bell in the New York Times where he praised Kola Boof.
So where is your proof, Schakspir?"
First of all, you are Kola.
Secondly, PASTE THE LINK TO THE ARTICLE. If the article is true, then Derrick Bell has lost his mind....presuming, of course, that the article is before 2003-4. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1167
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EVERYONE HERE...including CYNIQUE...has read the New York Times article where Derrick Bell praised me, Schakspir.
It's common knowledge that we're good friends.
And you're about to find out...that quite a few NOTABLE people have obviously lost their minds.
You're such a loser.
And PrettyBabygirl is a journalist. Someone who will probably make sure you don't ever get written up in The Washington Post.
She is not Kola Boof.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1168
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While I admire the "passion" of your beliefs...
You're really not smart, P.
...because you're "mode" of attack is hurting YOU, not me.
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Schakspir
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Post Number: 67
Registered: 12-2005
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"You act like a crack-addict. I understand that you went through a lot and that you have been under psychiatric care, but to use utterly nasty profanity because people in America have the right to their own views demonstrates that you are really off your rocker.
Come one, Kola. Show me how insane you are and cuss me out.
By the way Kola, why did your Black man leave you?"
Mrs. Hart, she most likely is one, with horrible delusions of grandeur. The reason why she's mocked is because her shtick was rejected by the white, right-wing establishment, so now she is trying to put one over on the dumb darkies. And that is all she thinks Afro-Americans are. (Unfortunately, judging from some of the responses here, a few of us DO fit that definition....)
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1169
Registered: 02-2005
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You accused novelist Chris Hayden (who has his own tentacles) and now a journalist at the Washington Post...of being me.
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Prettybabygirl
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 04-2005
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P. Lewis,
Bruh--this is where you totally get on my bad side:
Mrs. Hart, she most likely is one, with horrible delusions of grandeur. The reason why she's mocked is because her shtick was rejected by the white, right-wing establishment, so now she is trying to put one over on the dumb darkies. And that is all she thinks Afro-Americans are. (Unfortunately, judging from some of the responses here, a few of us DO fit that definition....)
I don't consider myself either dumb or a darkie.
Your protestations about this woman are uniformally prejudicial, flawed and without merit, and by calling her a "man", you continue to denigrate all of us that are black women and have witnessed this as a tactic black males often use for disrespecting black females when they don't agree with them. Either we're whores, we're men or we're dykes.
You have zero credibility with me, bruh.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1170
Registered: 02-2005
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I say let him keep on, PBG.
I anticipate quite a load of these vicious attacks as my autobiography sets the industry on fire this year.
Of course, people like P. Lewis are the very ones who will make me a star.
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Schakspir
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"I don't consider myself either dumb or a darkie.
Your protestations about this woman are uniformally prejudicial, flawed and without merit, and by calling her a "man", you continue to denigrate all of us that are black women and have witnessed this as a tactic black males often use for disrespecting black females when they don't agree with them. Either we're whores, we're men or we're dykes.
You have zero credibility with me, bruh."
So what?
Talk to somebody who gives a damn! |
Zuriburi
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It seems as though you all are so threatened by Kola's talent, bravery and honesty, that your only recourse is to question her sanity to try and discredit her.
Its getting boring now. |
Schakspir
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"It seems as though you all are so threatened by Kola's talent, bravery and honesty, that your only recourse is to question her sanity to try and discredit her.
Its getting boring now."
Yeah, we know....Kola. |
Mrs_hart
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"(1) I have eyes in my head, so obviously...I could see what the man who raped me looked like. Yes, he was very handsome at the time that I knew him. ---Did you like that? That you had eyes in your head to actually see that your "rapist" was foine?
"I have also described him as---Satan, a beast, a poet, the most brilliant man I ever met, the devil, an asshole, Ike Turner, an evil bastard."---Are these the tender words that you spoke to Osama Bin Laden? Did he like it like that? Did you?
"You need to EDUCATE YOURSELF."
Well let me see....I come to a board where the author of said books about her life is ACTIVELY cursing out other people on the board and posting pornography at the same time.
This person wants others to view her in the same realm as Alice Walker? I have only been here a few days, and have seen you wildly go from extreme to extreme. You cursed me out the first time I ever posted on this board. And you want people to EDUCATE themselves?
Well, guess what? YOU ARE EDUCATING US. You have eduated us that people of the African continent are completely OUT OF THEIR MINDS.
You have educated us that you have been under psychiatric care----and one doesn't miss the point WHY.
I can't imagine Oprah Winfrey, Maya Angelou or Alice Walker going off on rampages on public boards and using unwarranted profanity and displaying pornographic pictures.
You are COMPLETELY unprofessional and DESPERATELY unhinged.
As I have stated before, I had never heard of you until I came here a few days ago. Your manic and looney behavior and short fuse are absolutely weird and pathetic.
Think of what people would think if Oprah, Maya or Alice Walker were completely unhinged and behaving this way in public?
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Mrs_hart
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I'm sorry folks. I don't mean to say anything unkind to this woman, for she is obviously in need of some kind of intervention. My God!
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Zuriburi
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Think again PP |
Yukio
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damn...what happened?
Tonya, i'll respond to you in a sec... |
Cynique
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I don't where kola is coming up this lie that I've read some article by this Derrick Bell person praising her, and even if I had read such a piece I would take it with a grain of salt because this guy ain't somebody I am impressesd with. And I continue to maintain that the ego-manical kola boof is mentally unbalanced and certainly not anyone to inspire envy. So, right on, Mrs Hart. You're in denial, Zuriburi |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1177
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Tonya:
What's the difference between "NOT always" and "ALMOST always?"
...Perception, right?
Yukio wrote, posted on Sunday, January 08, 2006 - 11:42 pm
“No, ‘not always’ is not as absolute as ‘almost always.’ ”
Cuz technically both phrases can amount to the exact same.
Yukio wrote, same day and time: “No they are not!”
But you used your phrase to spin it your way, which is questionable cuz you admitted your state of mind shortly after posting it, evidence by your flawed percentages. And, I used my phrase to spin it my way, which I still maintain is more accurate.
Yukio wrote: No answer, because there was no question.
Also, I did not respond because I already said it was hypothetical and felt no need to argue about percentages when it wasn’t the point. My point was about the fact that (a) both light skinned women and dark skinned women are discriminated against, but (b) that dark skinned women are discriminated against more so and that this discrimination was (c) related to both color and attractiveness, which were often equated with each other. All of this, of course, was also already stated.
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Yukio
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Post Number: 1178
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what happened to that long azz essay...i'm going to eat dinner, watch csi and get some work done...see yall tomorrow..maybe i'll drop in during the early am! |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1244
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**************My point was... that dark skinned women are discriminated against more so and that this discrimination was (c) related to both color and attractiveness*************************
If "this discrimination was (c) related to both color and attractiveness" that means that dark-skinned women are ALMOST ALWAYS discrimenated against; because what you seem to be saying is, in terms of physical appearences, no matter how beautiful or unattractive a dark-skinned women is, color will always be a factor. I agree. To make things even clearer, it's also true that, on the other hand, no matter how homely, unscrubbed, rude, thuggish, "manlike", or what their reputations are, light-skinned women get a huge pass on their looks; and the lighter they are the bigger the pass. For example, back in the days, a group of girls that I used to hang out with ranged from light-skinned to chocolate brown. There were about eight of us. We were all attractive, some of us was way above average, and we were usually ranked the most popular wherever we went. But there was this one girl who always got picked on by people who knew her well because she was akwardly tall (like a dude, not like a model in any way); she was "bald headed"; and she truely did look like a man; in fact she looked EXACTLY like her brother only he was dark-skinned and she was high yellow -- other than that, they looked like the same people. When she would come with us to the clubs, however, the brothas would be ALL OVER HER while not even looking in our direction. (((Many of us would be completely spellbound by this. I mean, some of us simply could not believe it. As a result, some girls in the group would go off because they could not handle being overlooked for someone who looked liked what I descibed. I was always the most sensitive of the group so along with a few others, I would never talked about it and I was quick to scorn the others when they did. But when I'd ask myself if the others were being unreasonable, the answer that I'd come up with ways always no. If you think about it, we live in a world where women are judged by their appearence, right or wrong, therefore, it is illogical & irrational for an extremely unattractive women to get chosen over a bunch of average and above average looking ones, especailly in an anonymous night club setting. So although these girls were being insensitive, they were not being unreasonable; and when you think about the denominating factor which led to it all - color - it made a lot of sense that they were upset.))) Incidents like this one, Yukio, happens to darker skinned women all over the country and ALL THE TIME. Again, no matter how attractive a dark-skinned women is, in terms of physical appearence she's ALMOST ALWAYS judged by her color. The only difference is, if she's both unattractive and dark-skinned she's judged by both her looks and her color. Or as the old-heads used to put it, she's "black and ugly," which means she suffers from a double stigma. The bottom line is, regardless of what she looks like, she experiences colorism. ALMOST ALWAYS.
Tonya
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Yukio
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Post Number: 1181
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tonya: I think your point is overstated. "almost always" is too extreme, but that is that...as I also pointed out in a prior post, that there are cases when it is neither colorism nor the equation of attractiveness with complexion...sometimes it plain old unattractiveness, poor disposition, lack of intelligence, incompetence....
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1246
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Well lemme put it this way. If there existed an all male town in which the overwhelming majority of its occupants (about 87%) were black, and the extreme minority (about 13%) were white, yet the only place of employment.. a factory in town.. included a roster on which 93% of the men were white and 7% of them were black, how do you think Jesse Jackson would address this CRISIS? -- would he complain that it was not always due to racism; or would he say that it was almost always due to racism?
And would you agree?
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Yukio
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That is an extreme case....like I stated above...there must be room for qualifications...
If these men are all equally qualified...then I would say....almost always!
Now, if all the dark skinned sisters looked like those in Kola's posts....I would also say almost always!
This is the case in music videos, for example, but not real life situations. In videos, one could presume, that all of these women are gorgeous models, regardless of color...in regular life...well, its regular life, though, of course, videos is a reflection of regular life (dark skinned discriminated more so than light skinned...but not almost always)!
Again, if all of the sisters are fugly, regardless of color, then again, I would say almost always!
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Rustang
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Post Number: 226
Registered: 04-2005
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I have a question for Yukio.Do you know of a case in which a man was able to argue successfuly with a few women?If yes, then, by all means, carry on. |
Mrs_hart
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Post Number: 34
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There is no reason to get off of your behind and get an education.
The gains of Civil Rights opened the door to all minorities.
Oprah, Armstrong Williams, Condolezza Rice (THE WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL WOMAN---AND SUPER SMART TO BOOT!), Clarence Thomas, Shirley Chisholm, Martin Luther King, Jr., Wesley Snipes, Whoopie Goldberg don't have your issues because they valued an education.
Nobody is going to be the WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL WOMAN by being ignorant and stupid or simply because somebody thinks that they are cute.
That is the domain of and for WHITES ONLY.
All of the Black people running successful BLACK COLLEGES are for the most part, dark-skinned people.
Everywhere I look where I live, there are lots of married dark-skinned women with children. Most of them have dark-skinned mates.
You have to do like Kola, Tonya, and suck it up and go under the knife!
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Yukio
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Post Number: 1184
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Rustang: as misoygnist as that is...I agree...lmao! Thats why you are the elder...
Nuff said!
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1249
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I can't even believe you had the nerve to fix your swollen liver lips to say this:
###Now, if all the dark skinned sisters looked like those in Kola's posts....###
DO ALL THE *LIGHT-SKINNED* SISTAHS LOOK LIKE THOSE IN KOLA'S POST???
You know what Yukio, I'm seeing exactly who you are for the first time. What pushed your buttons, bro? You are as colorstruck as colorstruck can get -- You disgust me. You fat munchkin bastard.
#If these men are all equally qualified...then I would say....almost always!#
Oh, so you're implying (and strongly might I add) that dark-skinned and light-skinned women are not equally qualified!!! Why not? You know what, keep it to your knuckledraggin' self. You fuckin' Neanderthal.
####That {racism towards black men} is an extreme case.####
I REST MY CASE...
You smelly frog....
Don't waste your time posting back -- we're through.
Tonya
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1250
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 07:16 pm: |
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Mrs. Hart..
WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF OPRAH'S PUSSY..
you nutty bitch! |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1185
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 08:20 pm: |
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Rustang: One mo gain!
Tonya: You need to read the entire post. And, I wish you would save your negative characterizations for people who share that method of exchange...I DO NOT!
It is clear that you are quite selective in your analysis! There is a basic theme. (a) if all are equally qualified and attractive, then I would say "almost always"! I said:
Now, if all the dark skinned sisters looked like those in Kola's posts....I would also say almost always!
THIS is the case in music videos, for example, but not real life situations. In videos, one could presume, that ALL of these women are GOREGEOUS models, REGARDLESS OF COLOR...in regular life...well, its regular life, though, of course, videos is a reflection of regular life (dark skinned discriminated more so than light skinned...but not almost always)!
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Obviously, I meant, as always, for the post to be read as a whole! When you quote a person...the quote must represent the whole not the part. You, on the other hand, choose the detail and then take it out of context of the whole!
The word "this" at the beginning of the sentence means that I am linking one section to the next. The the example represents the point that I am making!
My posts "almost always" are organized by sections, so that it is easier on the eyes!
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Cynique
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Post Number: 3328
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Pssst, Mrs. Hart. "kola's pussy" is supposed to be the exclusive domain of tonya's head. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1252
Registered: 07-2005
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First of all, Yukio, I did not take anything out of context. I only quoted three of your sentences -- two of which was in full, and I used your own ellipsis in one of them (although I kept four peiods when I should've only kept three, and they should've been spaced, my bad). The brackets used in the last sentence was to insert my own material in an otherwise word for word quote. {My brackets are funny looking -- blame my keyboard} Also, the sentences that I quoted included both the thesis and the conclusion of the first half of your post. As for the second half, I didn't even bother with it; therefore, I NEVER TOUCHED THE WORD THIS. Reread my post.
Note:
ellipsis & brackets are used to edit word for word quotes.
Lastly, I don't give a shit what your taste in discourse is. Whatchu gonna do?
...come through the computer and whip my ass? Of course not!
Tonya |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1253
Registered: 07-2005
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Cynnique, you are so fuckin' childish! Why are you sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. Shouldn't you be trying to avoid confrontations as much as possible? I'm young enough to be your granddaughter, yet I know better than to get involved in some shit that doesn't concern me -- Life's to short! - something you should be more concerned with than I am. Grow the fuck up!
Tonya |
Cynique
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Post Number: 3332
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Strange words coming from an immature busybody like you, tonya, a brat who goes into a tantrum everytime somebody doesn't say what you want to hear. Age ain't nothin but a number, ding-a-ling. And, emotionally, you're a 2-year old. |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1188
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Tonya:
NEVER TOUCHED THE WORD THIS. Reread my post
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Obviously, you did not. That you did not shows that you couldn't have understood me...cuz you didn't even read the whole thing...it shows, or at least suggests, that this is not a conversation, for you are already convinced that I am a colorist...like you...eggregiously, you have even suggested that I've disrespected Kola!
You have just admitted your chicanery!
Obviously, you did not get the thesis! If you had, we wouldn't have to have this exchange...
Apparently, what i said was so unacceptable (consequently the names "fat munchkin bastard," "knuckledraggin' self," "fuckin' Neanderthal," and "smelly frog"), so that you never finished the post, and therefore, never got the meaning!
THE EXAMPLE IS THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE...YOU ARE WRONG, SO ADMIT IT...IF NOT...IT IS ALRIGHT...BECAUSE...IT IS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE! LMAO!
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1254
Registered: 07-2005
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Yukio:
Now that I read the second half of your post, I think I kinda understand the point you intended to make. It still isn't clear (you must have been rushing because it's real funky) but I'ma assume that you meant what I think you're saying. Barring the mean things I said to you, I don't apologize for my response and interpretation of the first half; it was too rough. But I do apologize for going completely off, and not taking the time to read the second, sorry. And I DEFINITELY apologize for all the horrible things I said (assuming that I'm wrong). Please forgive me.
(Standing in a corner pouting.. feeling like a real klutz.)
Tonya |
Tonya
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Post Number: 1255
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See Yukio.. I apologized before I even read your 11:21 post. I have a habit of not pushing the "topics" tab befor I post, so I didn't see your request before I apologized. You should give me credit for that. I'm laughing but I'm really serious -- give me credit. (LOL)
And, when did I suggest that you disrespected Kola? Please point that out to me cuz I think you're being a little paranoid. If I did that, I will apologize (yet again) but you'll have to point it out first.
Tonya |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1189
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 03:00 am: |
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You are just too sweet. Next time, I will be more consistent...this is, you forget, an informal form of exchange...
Concerning Kola and I...you didn't say disrespect...let me choose my words prudently, so let me rephrase, you placed me in the bandwagon with alleged anti-dark skinned folk!
Thread: Has Anyone Noticed?
Prettybabygirl, Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 07:33 pm:
The lightskinned folks are having a coniption attacking Kola Boof.
Wow. She must be uncovering some truths that really scare these people.
Notice that Cynique, Mrs Hart, the other guy who identifies as "light" and this Schakspir guy are all light skinned. They've all made emphatically negative comments about Kola's darkness and her defense of dark people.
Your response, Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 07:47 pm, was:
You think that's something... check what Yukio just said on the morehouse thread!!! I guess some of the old posters are using this as an opportunity to SHOW THEIR TRUE COLORS.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1257
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 10:39 am: |
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...Sorry, bro. I thought you were attacking dark-skinned women.
Also, now that I've apologized for going off on your January 10 - 04:05 pm post and you seem to have forgiven me (thanks), do you mind explaining it a little more cuz I still don't undertsand? -- I'd really appreciate it.
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Yukio
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Post Number: 1190
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 02:53 pm: |
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Tonya: I agree with you and Kola that dark skinned women are more discriminated against than light skinned women, BUT there are always other factors.
I was making the point, that is from your hypothetical, that IF all is equal, be it black men and white men and/or light and dark skinned women, then I would say yes to the position that it is "almost always" racism or colorism.
And, I used models in rap videos as a case in point.
BUT, I also said that things are never that equal in the real world...there are always other variables and factors to consider.
Two examples:
1)A black and white male attorneys, from comparable institutions. The white man gets the job! Why...nepotism! Father-in-law is a partner.
2)Two black female professors, one dark skinned and one light skinned apply to an HBCU. The dark skinned sister received her MA from an HBCU and the lighter sister from NYU, but the dark skinned sister received her Ph.d from Harvard and the light skinned received her Ph.d from Howard University.
Who gets hired? The light skinned woman...
If you have a Ph.d from Harvard...you more than likely will not remain at an HBCU, because it is for teaching not necessarily scholarship. The program will fear that you will leave the school quickly and that they will, therefore, miss out on a professor committed to teaching first and publishing second.
Finally, the woman from Howard would come cheaper than a woman from Harvard.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 1262
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 03:39 pm: |
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Uh-hmmm. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 3341
Registered: 01-2004
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Excellent points, Yukio! No one should ever underestimate the power of objective thinking. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1191
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 04:09 pm: |
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Btw, what I have said doesn't at all diminish or change the truism that light skinned women receive more privileges than dark skinned.
In other words, this doesn't mean that colorism is not at work, that it is not real and quite often the determinate of dark skinned women's malaise...BECAUSE COLORISM IS A FACTOR AND SOMETIMES THE MAIN INGREDIENT/DETERMINANT, but it is neither always nor almost always the determinate...except when all variables are equal.
Also, I do not represent light skinned or dark skinned people. I represent myself, and not as a "light skinned" black man...but as a black person. It is funny, because some people say i'm light skinned, while others disagree...I say that I'm caramel...similar if not the same as the Gooding Brothers, but nowhere near Vin Diesel, Mariah, etc...and, as I've stated, my features aren't "European," though I know many Sengalese and kenyans with very "fine" feautures...
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 1265
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:12 pm: |
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Yukio:
I'm not trying to get you to take sides, brotha -- I wouldn't do that.
Though, I wish you were a little more open-minded when you call yourself being neutral. Suggesting that dark-skinned women hate light-skinned women - or anyone for that matter - feeds into a stereotype that has been crippling dark-skinned women for years.
The instant we speak up about the unfairness of colorism and/or the constant mistreatment from other blacks, we're labaled as hateful and evil, among other things, all of which is not true. For that reason it would be nice if you would, in your quest to remain impartial, take that into consideration.
In addition, your 2:53 pm post was insightful, but it didn't explain what you were saying before. We were discussing physical appearences as they relate to women when you said something about how dark-skinned women needed to be "qualified." That's what I was hoping you'd explain.
Tonya
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 3344
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:49 pm: |
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I have noticed that color does seem to be in the eye of the beholder, Yukio, and that very often people don't see themselves as being the skin tone that others consider them to be. Interesting. |
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