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Stephgirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 01:40 pm: | 
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WHY BLACK MEN LOVE WHITE WOMEN an inferiority complex manifested
by Rajen Persaud
The white woman is pyscho-socially conditioned to fear the Black male and the Black female. One can take her man the other her humanity, and the white man is the sheriff who protects her from both. This highly charged sexual climate creates insecurity in white women, confusion in Black men, resentment in Black women and power for the white man...
Down through the ages the more the Black woman was soiled, the more the white woman was deified. And so the white man’s relationship with the Black woman, and his protection of the white woman, created an appetite of vengeful lust within Black men, and a dawning interest in Black men by white women. After seeing the white man ravage the Black woman, it is only natural that the Black man wants to reciprocate. Whether to get even or just out of curiosity, inevitably a journey toward the white woman will sooner or later be embarked upon...
Many white women rationalize their jealousy of the sexual relations between their men and Black women by calling them “dark temptresses” that “seduce” white men. A notion that overlaps into the mind of the Black male. Consequently, Black women spend much of their lives vainly fighting for acceptance. They often end up adoring those who don't really much care for them, giving every last bit of themselves to men who come with nothing more than slight interest.
And so Black women embark on an epic search for something that cannot be found, while the Black male and many others benefit from all she has to give. Too often she becomes part of a half-ass relationship that caters only to the whims of her ‘man.” In the end, as Ken Singleton in "Broken Silence" observes, many Black women “tolerate poor treatment hoping that if they hold out long enough, the negative behavior will stop... Women feel unworthy of love and stay in abusive situations trying (desperately) to make themselves more appealing..."
Frantz Fanon in "Black Skin White Masks" describes the Black man’s inferiority complex. “Out of the blackest part of my soul, across the zebra striping of my mind, surges this desire to be suddenly white. I wish to be acknowledged not as black but as white...who but a white woman can do this for me? By loving me she proves that I am worthy of white love. I am loved like a white man...I marry white culture, white beauty, white whiteness. When my restless hands caress those white breasts, they grasp white civilization and dignity and make them mine..."
Note how the “dancer” is the first job experience that many young Black women obtain. This only further decreases her desirability. Interest, respect and concern is halted at her loins. Throughout America all too many Black men are putting dollar bills in the draws of Black “dancers” and not a dime on the dinner table of those who mothered their children...
The history and circumstance that has soiled the Black woman’s image continues to direct the Black man’s mind away from that desperate sight toward that which he has longed to be recognized by. His goal is to be loved and accepted by those he was designed to worship, in order for his dignity to triumph. He sees himself as a historic failure - failing to provide for his family, protect his woman, and secure a livelihood.
He finds it hard to connect with the Black woman, outside of sensation, since she serves as the symbol of his failure. By giving birth to him she represents the synthesis of his circumstance, the precious gift of life once cherished now become a curse, her womb a graveyard as life became death. As a result, he will chase the white woman to the ends of the earth, and will stop only when he catches his mind... (by Rajen Persaud from his just released book "Why Black Men Love White Women" To order, or send comments, go to www.whyblackmenlovewhitewomen.com )
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Nels
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Post Number: 91
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 04:04 pm: |
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Does any race, ethnicity or culture have an intrinsic allegiance to its own kind? Not likely. The sixty-four thousand dollar question? Probably. |
Tonya
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Deep shit. I noticed that the more we (society) discuss colorism the more pathetic and desparate black women are seen/revealed to be. I guess that's the cost of bringing to light such a sensitive and painful topic. I wonder what the fallout will be? Will we trade in our already tarnished reputation as mules for that of a pitiful, desperate, lonely, unwanted, cast off; and, if so, will it be worth it, hummm? Is there anything not worth being liberated; or, better yet, if liberation does not become the outcome, will it have been worth it then???...
I guess we'll see.
I'm dying to hear Moonsigns' response to this article. I'm pretty sure it's depressing to her, as well.
Where are you, Moonie??
Tonya
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Tonya
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Post Number: 403
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 05:12 pm: |
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Oh, yeah, I'm interested in hearing from a black man, too. Real or not. |
Moonsigns
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The book might be relevant if it was presented in proper context. We aren't living in times of slavery. In regards to marriage/procreation, to consider human beings obligated to one another based on the merit of shared "color", is undemocratic. Period.
To me, this book only makes Black women (who think like the author) more angry. It makes White racist think they are "right". And, it makes people in interracial unions wonder (and even laugh) why the phuck some people waste their time "stuck" on relationships they aren't even in (and know, firsthand, nothing about).
Overwhemingly, people still date, marry, and procreate within their own "color" and culture. With that being said, this is a waste of paper--and time. What a shame. Nevertheless, everyone's got an opinion.
And the world keeps turning.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 404
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 06:33 pm: |
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We're not angry -- That's a misconception and a stereotype.
Everything else, understood. Thanks.
Tonya |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 671
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 10:54 pm: |
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TONYA:
"We're not angry -- That's a misconception and a stereotype."
MOONSIGNS:
No shyt, Tonya--this is what I wrote in my initial post.
"To me, this book only makes Black women (who think like the author) more angry."
I didn't make any blanket statement regarding ALL Black women. If you don't think like author, it doesn't apply to you. If you do, well, you know how I feel.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 406
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 11:11 am: |
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But, Moonsigns, on some level (to some degree) virtually ALL black women (and black men) "think like the author"; and, on some level, they understand where he's coming from.
...Generally speaking, we ALLLL "say" it in different ways. And some, because of fear and/or wanting to be accepted, may not "say" it at all, yet, to some degree, they do think/feel it. And, in addition to "saying" it, we ALLLL (again, generally speaking) express these thoughts/feelings, albeit differently.
Now, some of the folks who frequent these boards will probably give opinions to suggest that this is untrue; and you may respond by saying that you have black friends who don't think/feel this way; or, you may even kick some science -- Go head, geeerl!!! LOL....
Nevertheless, if you're like most of us, one of the reasons you're here is to learn... and you, in particular, have a lot to learn -- I respect that. So, even if you don't take what I'm saying as truth - recieve it as another bit of information -- knowledge.
***I didn't make any blanket statement regarding ALL Black women. If you don't think like author, it doesn't apply to you. If you do, well, you know how I feel.***
Yeah, I do know how you feel, still, I don't believe it was your intention nor your desire to make a blanket statement about black women --
To a degree, however, you did.
But, as I said before - we're not angry. What we are is hurt, because we're women -- we bleed.... Now, that, I have no doubt, you understand.
Take care... and thanks for responding....
Tonya
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 673
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 11:33 am: |
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TONYA:
"But, Moonsigns, on some level (to some degree) virtually ALL black women (and black men) "think like the author"; and, on some level, they understand where he's coming from."
MOONSIGNS:
Tonya, I think that blacks (and non-blacks--ones with common sense) can agree on the brutality of slavery, especially against black women. However, like I said in my initial post, we aren't living in times of slavery. This whole book is based on social dynamics that are no longer in motion. It's totally out of context. Capitalism, not racism, is the driving force of our society. And, with men still controlling much of the capital, they will continue to be in a position to intermarry in greater numbers--and not think twice about it. With that being said, I don't feel that comment is an accurate reflection of how virutally all black women and black men feel regarding interracial relationships--especially black men. A good majority of black men I talk with, even those married to black women, are completely indifferent to interracial dating and marriage--mainly because having a white wife makes their children no less black than if they had married a black woman. A good majority of the black women I talk with, they think compleltey opposite. Now, is this my opinion and life experience? Absolutely. Am I saying it's law? Absolutely not. Do I understand that there are people who've experienced something totally different? Absolutely.
TONYA:
"Now, some of the folks who frequent these boards will proably give opinions to suggest that this is untrue; and you may respond by saying that you have black friends who don't think/feel this way; or you may even kick some science."
MOONSIGNS:
The one thing every human being owns is their life experience-and every experience is different. There are going to be blacks who don't agree with you (and the author) regarding this subject matter. And, there is a very strong possiblity that they are not being untrue, it's you that is in denial.
I made no "blanket statement" about black women. I made a comment about black women who think like the author. Again, if it doesn't apply to you, let it go.
I can relate to issues that women encounter becuae I am a woman. Yes, we all bleed. However, there is a fine balance between healing my own wounds as well as the wounds of others. There comes a time when every person must stand on their own two feet.
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Tonya
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Two questions:
(1) What makes you think this author is refering to "slavery times."
(2) Have you ever read Frantz Fanon's "Black Skin White Masks".
Tonya
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Tonya
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Three more questions - if you don't mind:
(3) How does the author "think" and/or what's his ideology?
(4) What school of thought is he basing his book/argument on?
(5) What's the premise of his argument/book?
Tonya
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Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 02:52 pm: |
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Tonya,
(1) The premise of his book is the dysfunctional relationship between slave master and slave (black woman) and current prejudice/racism against blacks (both men and women).
(2) No.
(3) The author does not agree with interracial relationships.
(4) That interracial unions are not right due to past and present prejudice/racism against blacks.
(5) Again, past and present prejudice/racism against blacks.
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Th_ethiopian
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black men are doing the white race a favor...........because they are taking all the ugly,fat, and un wanted white females out of their gene pool. Ugly,fat,white hoe's need love too. |
Tonya
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Tonya::::Thanks for answering my questions. The ones that I found most interesting were these:
1) The premise of his book is the dysfunctional relationship between slave master and slave (black woman) and current prejudice/racism against blacks (both men and women).
(5) Again, past and present prejudice/racism against blacks.
Tonya::::They go against what you initailly stated in your first and third posts:
(((((The book might be relevant if it was presented in proper context. We aren't living in times of slavery. -- Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 05:25 pm.)))))
(((((Tonya, I think that blacks (and non-blacks--ones with common sense) can agree on the brutality of slavery, especially against black women. However, like I said in my initial post, we aren't living in times of slavery. This whole book is based on social dynamics that are no longer in motion. It's totally out of context. --Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 11:33 am.)))))
Tonya::::But, as you pointed out in answers 1 and 5 (and as I discovered after briefly researching this book), this whole book is ***NOT*** based on social dynamics that are no longer in motion; therefore, It's ***NOT*** totally out of context -- at least not how you suggested it was.
Also, the point that I was making during my second post can be carified by utilizing the anwers you gave for #s 3&4:
(3) The author does not agree with interracial relationships.
(4) That interracial unions are not right due to past and present prejudice/racism against blacks.
Tonya::::African Americans, in general, believe that SOME interracial unions "are not right due to past and present prejudice/racism against blacks." And, for that reason, to some degree they do not agree with SOME interracial relationships.
So... blacks people, in general, do "think" like that author - TO SOME DEGREE AND ON SOME LEVEL.
I'm not here to promote this book (frankly, it doesn't seem like the type of book I'd normally read), but when you start making blanket/vague comments about what the author and some black people "think" it can (and did) lead to your making another blanket comment about something else you may not be aware of.... But that's why we're here... so, it's all good.
Tonya
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Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 06:20 pm: |
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Tonya,
You're right, that would seem to go against my intial post.
Maybe it's better put like this. The premise of the book is the dysfunctional relationship between slave master and slave (particularly black women)--and how the author PERCEIVES this to be a negative influence on the current culture, and in particular, the mating practices of black men.
All in all, his opinion stems from past, racial conflict--and, that is my point and remains my point. What I am conveying to you is that how people perceive that and internalize that today, is different. For him, he wouldn't date interracially, for other black men, they have no issue. Not all blacks ("to some degree and on some level") agree. Black men and women who do date/marry interracially are proof of that. If you consider my comment regarding black women who "think like the author" to be "blanket", you must consider your own to be the same.
When all is said and done, you're just bothered that I said black women who think like the author will become more angry when reading this. If you just think they're "hurt"-- that is what you think. My experiences have left me with a different perspective....you won't change my mind, either--and vice versa.
And, the world keeps turning.
You take care, too.
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Th_ethiopian
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black men are doing the white race a favor...........because they are taking all the ugly,fat, and un wanted white females out of their gene pool. Ugly,fat,white hoe's need love too |
Tonya
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Post Number: 415
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Moonsigns:
The premise of the book is the dysfunctional relationship between slave master and slave (particularly black women)--and how the author PERCEIVES this to be a negative influence on the current culture, and in particular, the mating practices of black men.... All in all, his opinion stems from past, racial conflict...
Tonya:
Not true. In addition to the negative influences of slavery he uses parts of the current culture ( i.e Sports, media, politics,corporate America, the Hip-Hop industry) to explain the current culture in general, including what you described (the mating practices of black men). The basis/premise of his book BARROWS FROM HISTORY FOR SUPPORT.... What professional doesn't rely on historical facts while involved in a detailed discussion about SOCIETY and it's SOCIAL ILLS?...
CAN YOU NAME ANY WHITE ONES???
You said it right the first time.
Moonsigns:
If you consider my comment regarding black women who "think like the author" to be "blanket", you must consider your own to be the same.
Tonya:
Not true, again. All throughout my posts I kept using the phrase "generally speaking" and I also used the word "virtually." I was careful not to make a blanket statement, but I felt comfortable generalizing... and I still do.
Moonsigns:
My experiences have left me with a different perspective....
Tonya:
I understand and respect that... and it should go both ways.
Tonya
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Tonya
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Post Number: 418
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 12:21 am: |
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BY THE WAY: "That interracial unions are not right due to past and present prejudice/racism against blacks" -- IS NOT A SCHOOL OF THOUGHT.
YOU KICK THE "SCIENCE" -- I'LL KICK THE KNOWLEDGE.... OKAY?
Fair enough.
Tonya
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 677
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 10:28 am: |
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Tonya,
Let's cut to the chase. Interracial unions make up such a small, small portion of society. If this man's book was such an accurate reflection of how black men really think/feel, black men would be (literally) running to white women. However, that's not the case--never has been and never will be. Black men choose black women as partners more than they choose non-black women. His time would have been better spent discussing all the (current) social dynamics that have left 70% of black children without fathers present and participating in the home on a daily basis--now thats a pressing issue!!!! He needs to get a life and spend time where time is needed--as does anyone who thinks like him!
And about giving you respect--I thought I was a "slut", "whore", "bitch" and a "stank ass". Yeah. Go check out the Kool Room and read your words to me (serena thread)--or better yet, have Kola *teehee* delete them REAL quick. Silly.
I don't know how much more clarification you need. Suggesting that black women WHO THINK LIKE THE AUTHOR are angry IS NOT suggesting that all Black women are angry. I also stated that I am perfectly aware that there are people who have expereinced things much differently than I have. You're just pickin' because you have nothing left (of substance) to write. Fool yourself, though. I don't care.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 419
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 11:14 am: |
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Thanks for responding. I've learned a lot, really.
Tonya |
Th_ethiopian
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 02:07 pm: |
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its all supply and demand ppl.............there is a huge supply of singele white woman who are usually very fat or ugly.............and there is a demand for them by color struck black man who will bang anything white............. |
Arioso_hum
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 02:41 pm: |
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The original analysis of this subject is truncated and myopic.
Rondall |
Tonya
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Exactly, Rondell.
That's why I asked for the input of others. Yes, it ended in a debate, but all I was looking for was some quality insight.
Care to ablige?
Tonya |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 03:46 pm: |
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Oooops, you probably were referring to Nels' post -- If so - my bad. |
Th_ethiopian
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its all supply and demand ppl.............there is a huge supply of singel white woman who are usually very fat or ugly.............and there is a huge demand for them by color struck black men who will bang anything white............. |
Stephgirl
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Residuals of Racism
This book is primarily for Black women, but I believe that women in general can profit from it sociologically, politically, emotionally and sexually. It is an exploration into the fundamentals of racism and sexism, which allows women to realize how they are used sexually by men for sport, politics, profit, and power. There is an underlying theme of sex power in this book, as well as in the world. An interesting spin on “The Golden Rule” says: “he who has the gold makes the rules.” However, this idea seems non-transferable to women because the sexual power of women has been a natural resource that white men, and men in general, have historically mined and exploited; creating a world that has been continually run on possessive policies for centuries: “my wife, my woman, my girl” has been the male mantra for more than a millennium.
This is not another male bashing book because I check women and their nonsense too. But the politics of sex and power is an interesting study, especially when one looks at Why Black Men Love White Women. For Black people racism and sexism are one in the same, an issue I will explore further in a later chapter. In the world of racism and white supremacy, power and control through economics are the key components for its survival, and the fuel for this survival is often sexism.
The white male world creates a false sense of security for white women in order to increase their power and control. This is done by using their stewardship to ostensibly protect women and children. If there is a plane crash, fire, flood, or other disaster, the priority is to save women and children first. This is rubbish, because in kinder times women and children are raped, beaten, abducted, abused, and murdered habitually. Why are their lives more important during times of crisis rather than in moments of calm? Governments also use women as political fodder to gain sympathy and support for the next atrocity they want to level on their enemies. How many times have you heard politicians say that their enemies killed “innocent women and children?”
The hustle here is that they are not worried about their “male selves” but their women are innocent, helpless and are in greater need of protection: “so could we have some more bombs so we can blow up more shit.” Calvin C. Hernton finds: “...white women are largely denied the means and opportunities of economic, political, and social advancement...”1 If women had been equally included in all phases of their politics and society, then they would not appear so helpless. But keeping women at a certain societal standard encourages men to keep power exclusively to themselves. This way they get to control the bombs and the babes too.
As it relates to Black people, whites (males mostly) seek to control both sexes in order to perpetuate the above. As a result, the white woman is psycho-socially conditioned to fear the Black male and the Black female. They in turn become the ultimate obstacles the white woman; the Black woman represents a sexually competitive challenge and the Black man represents a frightening physical one. One can take her man and the other can take her humanity, and the white man represents the sheriff that will protect her from both of them.
Regarding the white woman Hernton continues: “...their lives are drudged with the boredom of false chivalry and uneventful days and nights.”2 Additionally, her male counterparts created fear and anxiety within her by instilling the myth of the sex crazed Black Boogie man; they then elect themselves as her sole protector, which thereby increases their power. Historically, politicians have used this hustle to pimp their way to power for centuries. Mississippi Governor James Kimble Vardaman did just that. According to David M. Oshinsky: “...the ability to protect one’s wife and daughter from the black beast” had become a vital substitute - a compensation of sorts - for the ability to shield them from the ravages of hunger and debt.”3 Vardaman’s campaign banner read: A VOTE FOR VARDAMAN IS A VOTE FOR WHITE SUPREMACY, THE SAFETY OF THE HOME AND THE PROTECTION OF OUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN (emphasis mine). Oshinsky continues: “...a vote for Vardaman meant that a white man, however humble, could always consider himself superior to the Negro.”4 Vardaman characterized Blacks as “lazy, lying, lustful animals.”5 He claimed that Blacks were “...demanding social equality, pursuing white women and committing awful crimes.”6
It is this sexual climate that has created a great deal of insecurity in many white women, confusion in Black men, resentment in Black women, and power for white men.
O.J. is mentioned in this book often because he, as well as his fate, are by far the quintessential examples of this power play. But O.J. is not the only pawn used to perpetuate power. In 1989 a white woman was raped in New York's Central Park and a group of young Black and Latino boys were arrested and later convicted of the crime. All hell broke loose and everyone from Black preachers to white movie stars were on television sobbing for the victim. New York’s first Black Mayor, David Dinkins, called the boys “urban terrorists.” The white world was in an uproar because the boys “confessed” to the crime. It was an open and shut media case.
Donald Trump - a private citizen - placed a full page ad in the New York Times which levied harsh criticisms against criminal activity in the New York area. Many in the Black community thought this was a direct assault on the character of the young boys, further inciting support against them. The concern for this one white woman's life led to a witch hunt on five innocent boys and a malignant neglect for the opinion of millions. I say innocent because another child did not “confess” and was not convicted - there was nothing except their statements that linked them to the crime. If the other boys had not “confessed” and “implicated” one another, they may not have been convicted. Thirteen years later, it was reported as a miscarriage of justice. At the time of the incident, exculpating reports by the Black press went unnoticed because the woman was adopted by the main stream media to the point of delinquency.
Various newspapers reported that no physical evidence could be linked to the boys and even the semen found on the woman matched none of them. Their “confessions” were inconsistent and many experts said that they may have been coerced.
According to interviews with ABC’s Primetime Live, two experts in coerced confession, Professor Richard Ofshe of the University of California, Berkeley and Professor Saul Kassim of Williams College, say that “interrogation techniques can encourage false confessions.”7 They also point out in “sixteen year old Kharey Wise’s confession, in which Elizabeth Lerderer appeared to be guiding his answers”8 Ofshe says, “what you see is Elizabeth Lerderer working like mad to try to get these kids to say things that are consistent with the facts as she knows it.”9
According to Professor Kassim, the situation gets even worse when the “police brought [Kharey] Wise to the crime scene before he gave his confession... Kassim said that was a “flagrant” violation because the point of taking a confession is to get a “free and open narrative” that proves the suspect has first hand knowledge of the details of the confession.”10 Kassim continues, “you want to know from the confession was this the culprit, does he know the scene? If you take him there, if you show him photographs, you’ve not only compromised, but you’ve destroyed the diagnostic value of the confession.”11 (emphasis added)
All of these issues were discussed in the New York Black periodicals and on radio programs. In the Black public there was more than reasonable doubt about the guilt of these youngsters. But the life of five young boys was worth nothing in comparison to that of this one white woman.
Coerced or forced confessions are nothing new according to New York Police Department Lt. Eric Adams: “In 1968, George Whitman, a 19 year old African-American male, signed a confession that he murdered two white female New Yorkers, Janice Wylie and Emily Hoeffert. The chief of detectives at the time boasted, “we got the right guy, no question.”12 This turned out to be incorrect when the virtue murderer was apprehended.
During more current times in 1989, Boston resident Charles Stewart caused the police to round up Black Bostonians when he stated that a Black male shot his wife. One of the men arrested allegedly wrote a detailed statement confessing to the act. It was later revealed that the confession was untrue because Mr. Stewart had killed his own wife.”13 Part of the code of police deviancy directly relates to prejudice:
“...situations in which minority groups receive less than impartial neutral objective attention, especially those who are less likely to have “influence” in city hall to cause an arresting officer trouble.”14
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Stephgirl
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Here's more from Rajen's book:
Lying is legal. Police officers are allowed to lie to “suspects” during “interrogations” or “investigations.” This is precisely what happened to 14 year old Michael Crowe. Crowe's baby sister - twelve year old Stephanie- was stabbed to death in her bedroom. According to the San Diego Union Tribune, enough evidence was obtained to point elsewhere but the police ignored most of it and turned their focus on Mike and his two friends, Joshua Treadway and Aaron Houser. Several witnesses saw a vagrant, well known to the local police, lurking in the neighborhood the same night little Stephanie was killed.
The day before he was picked up for following kids into an apartment complex. After the murder the cops picked the drifter up the following evening, questioned him, took his clothes and released him. This guy was again found looking into car windows at a motel where he admitted that he thought this was where the parents of “the dead girl” was staying.
Why on earth Michael was taken into custody and interrogated to confess is still dumb founding citizens. But like the Central Park Five, the Crowe family were working class powerless people: “They have never owned a home. They buy their cars used. But they said that there's always enough to cover the monthly bills and provide a comfortable home for the kids, as long as they don't splurge.”15
Michael Crowe and his young friends were manipulated, lied to and forced to lie on each other. They were kept awake as much as 26 hours without legal counsel or parental consent, and coerced to accept that the police had evidence that could convict them. The kids finally told the cops what they wanted to hear just to be left alone.
So why was the integrity of this drifting white male preserved over that of three innocent kids? My theory is this. If they made that white male a suspect, then the criminal integrity of white men would now be on display. It paints a grim picture of those who charge themselves with the duty of “protecting their women.” Now one of your own saviors is a sinner. The trust is diluted and some power is lost. The citizens would immediately have to keep a vigilant eye out for other white males in the community. The paradigm begins to shift.
Now the vagrant, drunk, biker, ruffian, drifter, loner or new guy in town are all suspect. Any unknown white man is suspicious. Folks would try to protect their children by having them be wary of their adult male counterparts. This was once just reserved for the Black male. To equally transfer this stigma to white men is illogical - if power is to be exclusively maintained.
Blaming the kids is easy: “Kids today! They are spoiled, mischievous and dangerous. They are influenced by video games, rap music, and violent films.” This is the mantra of the matured. Had it not been for DNA testing the real killer- a white male - may have been free to continue to do as he pleases.
In my opinion all of these young boys were played; and in the Central Park case the victim was played even worse. I believe that this woman, who was said to have no recollection of the incident, actually knew more than she was allowed to admit. If those testimonies were coerced, which many experts believe they were, then I'm lead to believe that the jogger’s participation in this case was also tampered with. Amnesia, though it often occurs after traumatic events, might have been used as a convenient excuse to limit or eliminate her full participation in the trial. Not only did the boys contradict themselves in the video “confessions,” they also did the same to the evidence. One boy said that they cut her pants off - no evidence supported that the jogger’s pants were cut off - so either the boy was lying or the evidence was. It is for this reason I believe the amnesia card was played. She may not have known who raped her, but I think she knew that it wasn't five people. Evidence tampering is nothing new in law enforcement, and the best evidence to corrupt is the victim as well as the accused. An experienced detective asserted that: “the moral jump from making illegal drug deals to getting evidence and dealing in drugs to make money is not as big as it might look to an outsider.”16
The man who confessed to raping the woman admitted that he talked to her about revealing her address and she refused. He had every detail of the crime down to her Fanny Pack. Of course the police refuse to believe him, because police only believe jail house testimonies when that evidence can be used to convict rather than exonerate. Justice Earl Warren said: “...the policeman is more powerful than the President. Only the policeman has the power to deprive an American of his liberty, and only the policemen defines, on a daily basis, the real law of the land. That the policemen themselves are often criminals, then, maybe the gravest concern for a rule of laws, not men.”17
Police games are power games: “Negative sanctions were applied against “goofs” who advocated following the legitimate police ethic.”18 Recruits who accepted the code, “the police way of life having precedence over legal responsibilities,”19 were rewarded by senior officers. Cops that “are honest and would report illegal activities are ostracized.”20 The level of delinquency in police games is not much different from the corporate games that we see in American business today. The end result of police delinquency, political corruption and corporate criminal behavior is the same - to buttress the power of white men. It is widely believed that the change in the New York political scene was a direct result of the Central Park case. New York City elected a Republican mayor three times in a row. Rudy Giuliani was elected twice because he was “tough on crime.”
The conviction of these five boys was a false message to white women that their men were immediately in control of the situation. Before daybreak the papers had reported that the “suspects” were in custody. White women felt safe, the cops were getting the job done and it was safe to go back into water.
This illusion of safety allows white women to yield even more of their power to their male counterparts, which is exactly what men want. The victims are not just the jogger and the wrongly convicted boys; the false pretense of protection makes white women more vulnerable to violation. They walk around thinking it's all good and their men are jiving them into subjugation. As a result of a “rush to judgment” in the world of cosmetic convictions, the actual criminal involved in the rape was free to continue his grotesque gallivanting, and did. He raped and murdered a pregnant woman after the Central Park attack. The shark was still in the water as the lifeguard kept lying to the swimmers; they felt assured while their male counterparts secured more power.
Previously, in 1921 the Klu Klux Klan used racism, hatred, jealously fear and treachery to attract new members. Many of these members were police officers, sheriffs, business people, and politicians. They perpetuated an engrossing mentality of fear that has been skillfully grandfathered into their contemporary counterparts. When racist white men want more power they create fear and rage and use it for conquest.
This very tactic was used to destroy one of the most thriving Black economic power bases in the history of America, Black Wall Street. It was a lively, energetic, intellectual and business community that dwarfed similar efforts of any race in the state of Oklahoma. Some of the Blacks, though limited in investment opportunities denied by racism, were the wealthiest men in America. Jealous white males could not stomach this so they sought to destroy it: “No Black Wall Street! No Rich Niggers! No Freedom!,”21 said the powerful and politically connected Sam Wells, racist and Grand Marshall of the Knights Liberty. The eldest of the Simpson brothers, a powerful oil family in Oklahoma, declared: “We will not allow these nigras to prosper like this. There is no way we can allow this to continue.”22
A coalition of rich oil men, news reporters, Klan like organizations and other powers had nefariously and successfully manipulated:
“... the press, the poor and uneducated, city and state law officials and the rough neck whites of West Tulsa to the point of an all out race war... The men who pulled the strings cared little about life, death or the high casualty rate that would result in an all out war between the races. The only thing that mattered to them was that the powerful eventually crushed! There was no way they were going to stand by and allow what was happening in Black Wall Street to continue and possibly emulate itself throughout the south and ultimately throughout Black America. This and numerous other facts that were discovered proves that the systematic destruction of Black Wall Street reached all the way to the heads of the American Government.”23
A respectful, self-reliant Black community was bombed from the air and lost about six thousand people in a vicious race riot that ended an economic power base that may have spearheaded financial independence for the Black race in America and beyond. The catalyst? The accusation that a Black man raped a white woman. The young woman in question never accused anyone of rape; but the, “To Lynch Nigger Tonight! Tries to Rape a White Girl in Elevator”24 headlines dominated the press in an almost identical fashion in which the Donald Trump ads called for the death penalty for “murderers and muggers.” LYNCH A NIGGER and “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY” are viscerally close in spirit. The headlines of 1921 were enough to seal the fate of Black Wall Street as the ads in 1989 sealed the fate of five Black boys.
When the sensationalism of fear fails, the repercussions can reverberate for years and question the strength of the white male’s power. Here is one example I observed after the O.J. Simpson verdict. A news correspondent ironically stopped a female jogger - somewhere in California - who was crying as she turned and removed her headphones. The reporter asked her how she felt about the verdict. Still crying and very distraught, the woman said, “I just want to be left alone.” Having watched this behavior for so long I believe I know exactly what ran through her mind at that moment. She was very disturbed by the verdict because it is a sign that her man is losing the ability to protect her and her counterparts after all the power they had relinquished to guarantee such protection. That verdict was more than an injustice to white people - it was an assault on their power. It questioned the white man's ability to protect his women thereby jeopardizing any further pursuit of power.
It is from this foundation that racism and sexism is executed. And from this foundation comes the various ways that the rulers of a society would pursue power: sex, politics, symbolism, socialization, economics, art, science, education, medicine, any and all other areas of people activity are used to acquire, assume, consume and use power. And like anything else, racism and sexism have residuals and one of those residuals is the Black man's love for the white woman. And it is this residual of race that I will explore. I will also discuss what Black men have been trained to become, what they have become, how they relate to Black women as well as what white women are to Black men. There are many reasons Why Black Men Love White Women and I chose those I believe are important to the dialogue. My conclusions were drawn from study, personal experiences, observation, interviews, research and media.
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Tonya
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"My conclusions were drawn from study, personal experiences, observation, interviews, research and media."
A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING.
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Moonsigns
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Oh yeah. "A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING."
LMAO!
Isn't it funny how in his studying, observing, interviewing, and researching, he 'just happended' upon individuals/situations that justified his opinion regarding interracial unions--and it's the gospel truth. How objective!!!! *teehee*
Who is this genius? LMAO! Let me stop!
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Tonya
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Moonsigns:
Isn't it funny how in his studying, observing, interviewing, and researching, he 'just happended' upon individuals/situations that justified his opinion regarding interracial unions...
Tonya:
That SHIT/SQABBLE doesn't make any goddamn sense at all. You might want to rephrase/rethink it (or do something).... I don't know what to tell you.
As far as the rest is concerned... the debate was not about whether or not he was being objective; nor was it about his work being gospel....
(COMING THAT WAY AGAIN MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA).
But, since you brought it up, ask yourself this: how many white boys made a fortune, a reputation, and a history out of not being "objective" and presenting it as "gospel"???
I GUESS YOU KNOW HOW WE FEEL, NOW.
...THAT'S UNFORTUNATE.
By the way, many of those (dumb, ignorant) white boys have been and still are considered "geniuses" --
So let's go easy on our new friend -- Let's just *smile*.
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Arioso_hum
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Tonya,
I would love to give you quality insight, as subjective as it may be. I will try to post a response to this when I get the time. I actually did not find the original post to have any validity, and I had no intention of compounding the discussion. Never the less, please respect the fact that I am not going try to pass off my half ass observations and personal experiences as research.
I can not honestly believe their are Black women still wandering why they are losing Black men to Caucasian women. That subject is as trivial as trying to figure out why are they losing some Black men to other Black and Caucasian men.
And as far as "his studying, observing, interviewing, and researching"- I believe it was Einstien that said you can always create theories to support your hypothesis.
And last but not least...about those people who have been mistaken for geniuses, I will turn to another quote from a mind that I admire:
...but the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
--Carl Sagan
'nuff said
Rondall
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Moonsigns
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TONYA:
"But, since you brought it up, ask yourself this: how many white boys made a fortune, a reputation, and a history out of not being "objective" and presenting it as "gospel"?
MOONSIGNS:
And, who ever said they were "right"? They are no more "right" than the man who wrote this book.
You jump to conclusions too quickly.
Bottom line is this, if you think that stereotypes don't apply to black women, you must give others the benefit of the doubt. If you can't give what you think you derserve, you're nothing but a self-serving hypocrite.
And, the world keeps turning.
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Tonya
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Rondell --
Let me guess: you're married/dating/want to marry/date/long to marry/date a white/mixed/nonblack/lightskinned/lightbrowmskinned/mediumbrownskinned/cinnamonb rownskinned/chesnutbrownskinned/caramelbrownskinned/creamedcofeebrownskinned/pec antanbrownskinned ---
Never mind.... Don't answer that -- as you can see, it didn't come out right.
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Tonya
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But, I look forward to your next response, thanks. |
Tonya
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(And, the world keeps turning.)
Obviously without you in it --
Why else would the shit keep going right over your head.
Tonya
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Moonsigns
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Tonya,
There's no "shit" going over my head. You're just a hypocrite.
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Tonya
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MOONSIGNS:
...who ever said they were "right"?
TONYA:
Exaaaaaaactly! When did I ever accuse you of saying/thinking they (or the author for that matter) was "right"? Who's jumping to conclusions now. So I'm NOT a hypocrite... you're just a fucking idoit.
Either that or since you think you know me, my "agenda", and what I "think" - you keep dumping your self reflective bullshit (i.e. "You jump to conclusions too quickly" and "You're just a hypocrite") on me -- Poor little me.
And the fact that I cussed your ass out five or six threads ago doesn't help because now you're seeking revenge in a passive aggessive way:
***And about giving you respect--I thought I was a "slut", "whore", "bitch" and a "stank ass". Yeah. Go check out the Kool Room and read your words to me (serena thread)--or better yet, have Kola *teehee* delete them REAL quick. Silly.**********************************************
Stop being a punk bitch.
If you got some shit to get off your chest - saaaaay iiiiitttt; and get cussed the fuck out again.
Tonya
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Tonya
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MOONSIGNS - Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 -10:28 am:
And about giving you respect--I thought I was a "slut", "whore", "bitch" and a "stank ass". Yeah. Go check out the Kool Room and read your words to me (serena thread)--or better yet, have Kola *teehee* delete them REAL quick. Silly. |
Tonya
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POOR LITTLE ME. |
Arioso_hum
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Tonya...
I would like to introduce...my wife...drum roll please...
Take that, take that, take that...
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Tonya
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She's beautiful, but what color is she? That looks like a black and white photo.
I won't be impressed until you show me the color.
Color, baby, color!
But, again, she's beautiful.
Tonya |
Tonya
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We accept authentic black women as long as their NOT a certain color and that's not good enough -- I'm sure your beautiful wife feels the same way. |
Tonya
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My bad - I meant to say "as long as 'they're' not"... |
Arioso_hum
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Tonya..
She embodies,
the Black
not cast from shadows
nor devoid of light,
but that Black
from way back.
Her voice is protest,
her heart, a war drum.
Her skin is only
where it begins.
For she is sovereign
unto a place that
only her soul can see.
In other words she is the BOMB!!!
Rondall |
Moonsigns
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TONYA:
"I'm dying to hear Moonsigns' response to this article. I'm pretty sure it's depressing to her, as well."
Suggesting that I should be depressed because of this man's opinion is, in fact, suggesting that you (and he) share the same philosphy regarding interracial unions. Otherwise, you would have simply been interested in my "take" on the issue--and left out the "depressed" bit. By way of your free will, you have made your "agenda" perfectly clear--and anyone can read what you've written. How you "think" regarding the subject matter is obvious--no one has to know you personally to comprehend your position. And, you do (obviously) jump to conclusions. And, you are a hypocrite.
If you must, cuss me out (again). Go ahead. It's only a display of your emotionalism and lack of wit--which I am not bothered by nor impressed.
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Moonsigns
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Rondall,
Your wife is very pretty--and the poem is amazing!
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Roxie
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Rondall,
The photo doesn't need color. She's clearly a black queen from the glow she radiates from your sincere worship of her.  |
Tonya
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Tonya wrote:
"I'm dying to hear Moonsigns' response to this article. I'm pretty sure it's depressing to her, as well." -- Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 04:52 pm.
Moonsigns responded:
Suggesting that I should be depressed because of this man's opinion is, in fact, suggesting that you (and he) share the same philosphy regarding interracial unions. Otherwise, you would have simply been interested in my "take" on the issue--and left out the "depressed" -- Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 03:10 pm:
Tonya:
But notice that I wrote "depressing to her, as well" -- which meant I was depressed and I was assuming that you'd feel the same way.
So why was I depressed, you'll ask? (If you even have a heart).
...I'll give you a hint:
"I noticed that the more we (society) discuss colorism the more pathetic and desparate black women are seen/revealed to be." -- Tonya - Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 04:52 pm.
Now, after feeling (a bit) depressed, is it possible that the above mentioned post/outlook would lead me to think "Hummm... I wonder if a white women and a femminist (i.e. MOOOONSIGNS) would feel a bit depressed, as well. After all, the article viewed white women harshly, too."
...Could that *possibly* be what I was thinking when I asked for your input?
Huh genuis???
Also, how do you explain this:
Suggesting that I should be depressed because of this man's opinion is, in fact, suggesting that you (and he) share the same philosphy regarding interracial unions. -- Moonsigns - Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 03:10 pm.
Tonya:
I'll tell you how to explain it...
I wasn't the least bit concerned about anything regarding interracial relationships; infact here's some more of what I was thinking:
"Will we trade in our already tarnished reputation as mules for that of a pitiful, desperate, lonely, unwanted, cast off; and, if so, will it be worth it, hummm?" {Is it worth being "LIBERATED"?} -- Tonya - Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 04:52 pm.
Does it seem like I'm interested or even "thinking" about ANYBODY'S "philosophy regarding interracail unions"?
The tone of my initial post was that of a black woman who was concerned about the future and liberation of black women and women in general; which is why I was searching for your response:
("Where are you, Moonie??" -- Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 04:52)
I was reaching out to you.
I was seeking guidance from a no-it-all self-proclained beholder of a sacred knowledge which embodies the spirituality and power of ALLLL women while soothing the soul.
But did ya soothe ma soul, Moonie???... NOOOOO!!!
Instead you came in , guns ablazzzen, talkin 'bout "PHUCK THIS, PHUCK THAT, PHUCK EVERBODY!" Then you started talking about your interracial bullshit.
...It wasn't about you! -- It was about meeee!...
But, NOOOOO!!! -- We had to make it about MOOOONIE!...
SO FUCK YOU!
How's that for "WIT" ya piece of shit!
I know I doubted you in the past, but I needed your insight then, Moonie... and if you weren't so damn SELFISH and ARROGANT you would have seen that.
I think I deserve an apology -- Let's see if you're woman enough to do it.
Tonya
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Tonya
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By the way, I make no bones about my agenda and how I feel about (MOST) interracial marriage/unions within the black community. And, yes, I do have an agenda (which you no little about) and I'm not ashamed of that or anything else.
But none of that had anything to do with my initial post and my reaching out to you and if you could see past your agenda, you'd appreciate that.
Tonya |
Tonya
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My bad. I meant to say "self-proclaimed." |
Tonya
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And "genius"...LOL! |
Stephgirl
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Moonsigns' views are an example of white privilege running amok in Amerikkkan society. She wants to be an expert on black issues while at the same time denigrating black people's experiences with race in this country.
She wants her cake to eat for herself |
Kola_boof
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RONDALL!!!!!
Your wife is SUBLIME.
What a beauty.
I love the Ordikkan Yara under-folds of her eyes.
She must be blood kin of the Hausa and Denkinyira.
Just gorgeous.
And you're such a sweetie, Rondall. I feel happy knowing there's a few like you left.
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Cynique
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Rondall, your radiant wife brought your inspired poem to life! |
Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 693
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 07:54 pm: |
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Stephgirl,
You're wrong about me--and without really knowing me, it's ridiculous that you'd use such a sweeping generalization to attempt to explian away what you don't like (or agree with). Stereotyping is wrong, though--right Steph? *wink*
And, in this capitalistic system--this world--each one of us have the opportunity to get our own "cake".
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Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 694
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 08:22 pm: |
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Tonya,
Your posts (to me) are dripping with sarcasm. I don't take you seriously, therefore, I don't believe, in any way, that you were sincerely "reaching out to me".
I know---I know, you think I'm a selfish, arrogant bytch.....yeah, yeah, yeah....blah, blah, blah, blah. However, as the author states, the book is (primarily) written for Black women (to ultimately uplift them) at the expense of all interracial couples being stereotyped. Who's in an interracial relationship? Oh yeah--me.
Your thinking is just plain crazy to ask for an apology. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2714
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 02:34 pm: |
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Moonie, why waste your time trying to be reasonable with these Kola Klones? They're attitudes are carved in stone and nothing you say can provoke them into seeing both sides of a question. |
Th_ethiopian
Newbie Poster
Username: Th_ethiopian
Post Number: 19
Registered: 10-2005
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moonsigns....................calm down baby.......now go eat some more twinkies |
Th_ethiopian
Newbie Poster
Username: Th_ethiopian
Post Number: 20
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 05:35 pm: |
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moonsigns is the white mans left over......... to see moonsigns type.......go to your nearest wal - mart.......her type of woman usually have low self esttem , over weight, come from poor or working class families and are at the bottom of da barrel in the white dating scene.......white woman who are at the bottom of da barrel in white society are the cream of the crop in the color struck negro society........and cynique is a pussy less bitch....lol |
Th_ethiopian
Newbie Poster
Username: Th_ethiopian
Post Number: 21
Registered: 10-2005
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its sad to see after all the struggel black ppl made for equality in america.......they got nothing..... the black race has become a dumping ground for rejects like moonsigns and other non black vermin.............malcom x must be turning in his grave |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2719
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 07:48 pm: |
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Finally, we find out what the ethiopian does for a living! He cleans up bathrooms at Wal Mart and has drilled a peep hole above the women's commodes so he can watch the fat white girls pee and get his jollies. You gotta luv this guy. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 518
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 08:07 pm: |
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You speak the truth, ethiopian. The pure simple truth -- Nothing more, nothing less... and it's refreshing!
Welcome!
Tonya |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2722
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 08:33 pm: |
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A perfect couple; tonya and ethiopian! Why don't you 2 meet off-line and hook up.
(Hopefully tonya doesn't look like either Venus or Serena Williams who the ethiopian once referred to as "gorillas".) |
Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 701
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 10:10 am: |
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CYNIQUE:
"A perfect couple; tonya and ethiopian! Why don't you 2 meet off-line and hook up.
(Hopefully tonya doesn't look like either Venus or Serena Williams who the ehtiopian once referred to as "gorillas".)"
MOONSIGNS:
LMAO!!!! Cynique, if Tonya isn't one of Kola's personalities, I think she could be a poster from the past using a new username. Tonya and this former (regular) poster not only have the same views, they also have the same writing style ("screaming" in caps is just one example of many). Who does that remind you of? And, about ethiopian, I wouldn't be surprised if his a$$ is as white as mine! Being pro-Black one moment and calling Venus and Serena "gorillas" the next, is a sign that (most likely) "he" is a racist, white person. "He" also makes reference to Wal Mart way too often and rednecks loooove Wal Mart!
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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 523
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 11:10 am: |
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I'LL BE WHOEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT ME TO BE, BIOTCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT DON'T MATTER WHO THE FUCK YOU CALL ME WHILE I'M WHIPPIN ON THAT CYBERSPACE ASS, HOOKER, HO, SKANK!!!
TONYA |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2727
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 11:46 am: |
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By gosh, Moonie, I think you've got it! |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 524
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 11:50 am: |
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JUST KIDDING!
But on a serious note:
You guys should STOP CALLING ME KOLA because there are many controversial things I've said (and will say in the future) that she may not agree with and should not be attributed to her - IT'S NOT FAIR TO HER. I know you, Cynique, don't like her but it would be vindictive of you to continue implying that we're the same people (Or that we're somehow co-operating together) because, as I said, my words are sometimes too provocative and they should not be attributed to her.... That's not fair.
Thanks in advance.
Tonya |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2729
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 12:07 pm: |
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Oh, puleeze. Even your request reeks of Kola. And the idea that it would be unfair to attribute your provocative remarks to a profane, loose cannon like Kola is ridiculous. She wrote the book on provocative comments. Nice try, but no cigar. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 527
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:15 pm: |
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"She wrote the book on provocative comments."
So what... Cinnique. It's still not right. My words are mine and there are some she may not agree with. We share the same philosophy but, like I said, we may not agree on everything, so, yeah, it is unfair.
Tonya |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 528
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:19 pm: |
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By the way, I knew you'd say this:
"And the idea that it would be unfair to attribute your provocative remarks to a profane, loose cannon like Kola is ridiculous"
Because it's true....LOL! But still, it's not right.
Tonya |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1273
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: 
Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:37 pm: |
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if you two old skunks think Im tonya you can both suck each other's asses dry like you continually do. Moonsigns, i don't need to hide behind a persona to say what I think of you and your old ass crony! so stick it! YOU moonsigns are the one still trying to steal my flavor (and words) on this site. YOU are still a stank ho and Cynique is still old stankin baggage that you carry around--please!
I have a life--not like the two of you still hanging around the boards TRYING to get somebody to care about your stale ass remarks moonsigns and cynique TRYIN HOPIN and PRAYIN that Troy gives her her own board just cuz she's the oldest and set up her rocker on these boards. NOT!!! Never happen cynique. Troy knows that you can't string a cohesive thought together without plugging a keyword into google and cutting and pasting someone else's thoughts and claiming that their yours-cynique. HA! what a couple of losers! TATATA I've got my life to live--but you two keep write on being virtually important in this virtual reality that you call LIFE! HA!
Love!
the ONE and ONLY AWOMON. get it right BITCHEs! |
Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 704
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:39 pm: |
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Remember, Cynique, "Tonya" is the type of "daughter" Kola would want--if she had a daughter. *winkwink*
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1274
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:41 pm: |
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shuddddddddup! Cow. moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonsigns!! haahahahahahahahahaha!! |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 532
Registered: 07-2005
Rating:
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Daaayyyummm!!! She told y'all!
Get it right, BITCHEs...ROTHLMBAO!!!!
Tonya |
Th_ethiopian
Newbie Poster
Username: Th_ethiopian
Post Number: 25
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 03:05 pm: |
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tonya and moonsigns are putting words in my mouth ive always been pro black.........moonsigns and tonya hate me cause i spit the truth i tell it like it is........i dont sugar coat for anybody baby..........the black race has become a dumping ground for all the rejects of other races..........if u dont like my wal mart anology..........go to target baby............or any other retailor u will see what im talkin about.............moonsigns and tonya dont want to see what THEY DONT WANT TO SEE...........the truth..........whites and other ppl even make fun of the black race because of what they see in there everyday life....... Whats a perfect ten for a black men? ..... ANY WHITE WOMAN...............aint that the truth. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 536
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 03:24 pm: |
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LEAVE "tonya" OUT OF THAT ONE, ETHIOPIAN. YOU DON'T MEAN "TONYA", YOU MEAN CYNNIQUE. REREAD THE POSTS. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2735
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 04:00 pm: |
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Don't flatter yourself, a-woman. As stupid as she is, Tonya is still too smart to be you, you paranoid bitch. The only thing you 2 dizzy broads have common is that neither of you can get off the merry-go-round of your one-track minds. And I see you haven't made any progress in life. Still have yet to understand that petty little people don't make it big. How's the ol trite manuscript doing?? Still gathering dust??? Anybody too dumb to know what to expect from an agent deserves to get screwed which is what will happen to you because the time has passed for your dated novel. Save your money and self-publish because no big company will touch your trash. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2736
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 04:08 pm: |
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And oh yes, a-woman, why would I need a board when I have free access to this insane asylum? Speak for yourself, loser. I have sense enough to know that my day is over, unlike somebody like you who thinks she has a future in the book world. Forget it. ROTFLOL |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1275
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: 
Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 04:23 pm: |
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HAHAHAHA! Shut up! you jealous old bitch! YOURE the only thing that's outdated. If anyone should know about outdated obtuse trash it is most definitely you!And anyone who doesn't know should ask you to send them a copy of that carnival copy you call a novel! ALONG THE WAY I know I know--you knew it was a nothing piece of trash when you wrote it just for little old you, right? riiiiiiight.
Keep hanging around and fantasizing about how great thou art. You have the writing skills of an illiterate gnat and just about as much originality. So before you even attempt to disparage my writing-TRY to get good at SOMETHING first. Hey! Delivering mail for 60 years don't count! HA!
YOU and other haters will see the fruits of my labor VERY soon. NO DOUBT.
and as for comparisons between tonya's and my intelligence--puhleeze Im not insulted in the least seeing as how it's only you and your whitekick doing the judging! Stay tuned CYNIQUe stay tuned. ACTIONS speak volumes. Don't they? hahahahhahahahahha! |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2737
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 04:34 pm: |
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What a desperate atempt at saving face, you sorry like creature. Don't forget that you sent me a sample of your masterpiece and thank god you didn't send more! I am secure and happy in the twilight of my years, and it makes me especially content to know without a doubt that a nonentity like you will continue to stumble through life, crippled by your ignorance. And I sat on my butt for 30 years at the ol PO, not 60. Do the math you stupid heifer. You really do think I'm immortal don't you? I'd have to be 132 years old using your formula. But it figures that because you are used to inflating your importance that you would do the same in other areas. Now go skitter back to your hole. BTW maybe you can hook up with the ethiopian. He sounds like your type. |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 541
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 04:40 pm: |
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("and as for comparisons between tonya's and my intelligence--puhleeze Im not insulted in the least...")
Well, damn!!! "Insulted" is a pretty strong word, ain't it???
But I'm not going to get in to it -- Not after the way you cussed those BITCHEs out.... LOL!!!
Tonya |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1276
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 04:47 pm: |
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Tonya,
HAAHAHAHA! no reflections on you at all. that old bitty TRIED to call me stupid! So all I was saying is--I care ZERO about her thoughts on my intelligence. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2740
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 04:49 pm: |
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Oh get into it, Tonya. I think poor ol a-woman could use your moral support. |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1277
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 04:53 pm: |
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Oh blather on cynique with your ridiculous threats I AINT scared... how about that??? as I said before and I will repeat as you are obviously hard of reading. HA! PLEASE! STAY TUNED! Actions speak volumes!!! Well... at least for SOME of us!! hahahahaha!! |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 542
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 05:03 pm: |
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Gotchu, A-womon. It's no problem. I was just having a little fun.... LOL!
Tonya |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2742
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 05:07 pm: |
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Yeah, yeah, we know, you pathetic little loser. I'll take pity on you and leave you alone. So Ha-ha on. We know you're laughing to keep from crying because deep down inside you know you're going out backwards. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2743
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 05:10 pm: |
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Tonya, take pity on your new best friend and put a comforting cyber arm around her stooped little shoulders. ROTFLOL. |
Th_ethiopian
Regular Poster
Username: Th_ethiopian
Post Number: 26
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 09:49 pm: |
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^^^^^^ all i wanna know is, WHERE IS THE LOVE? |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2746
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 10:38 pm: |
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Say what? I can't believe it! The bad-mouthing ethiopian is coming out of yet another bag?? ...he-he...dat's why I luvs him...he's so unpredictable...he-he... |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1279
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 08:37 am: |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That was JUST for YOU Cynique! You are such a joke. And what's pitiful is you don't realize it.
Bye now--I've got BOOKS to write!!
Please feel free to discuss me all you like in my absence. I know how good it makes you feel--and we all must have something to make us feel good in life even if its making a career of TRYING to tear others down, right Cynique? Have a nice cyber life! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2748
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 09:17 am: |
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Bye-Bye you hallucinating paranoid loser, who imagines people are "threatening" her when they aren't. All anyone has to do is just standby and watch you self-destruct as you watch your dreams of success dissipate for want of a demonstration of talent. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2749
Registered: 01-2004
Rating:
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BTW, I never take ANYTHING the ethiopian says seriously. he-he.... |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2750
Registered: 01-2004
Rating:
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And now that little a-woman has folded her tent and skulked away, it's time to reflect on how much she embodies the victimization syndrome. Like so many others, a-woman sees herself as being untouchable. Which is to say that after storming on the board with both guns blazing, calling people skunks and assorted other epithets, she seems indignant that she would receive a response in keeping with her tone. And after demonstrating her frustration at not being able to repress her antagonist, typical of her ilk she goes berserk, subsequently portraying herself as being "torn down". And, with her confidence deflated, she seeks to restore it by putting on a happy face, trying to convince herself that she'll show 'em. She'll prove 'em wrong one day. But will she? I wouldn't bet on it. In my role as Simon Cowell of American Idol, I proclaim her to be just another self-deluded wanna-be who'll end up on the slush pile. (And if that ain't an inspiration, I don't know what is. LOL) |
Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 707
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 12:47 pm: |
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CYNIQUE:
"By gosh, Moonie, I think you've got it!"
MOONSIGNS:
*wink*
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Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2751
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 01:09 pm: |
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A-woman would have us think that she is not checking the board out, Moonie, but we know that even if she isn't, her stooge "just-write" will keep her informed. And with the idea of you and I agreeing, I can just picture the little fool; frothing at the mouth, veins popping out in her forehead, chest heaving, putting her heart at risk. Quick somebody call 911! a-woman is having a hate attack! ROTHFLOL. (Actually, I don't care whether she sees this or not; I'm having so much fun! And I don't have to be bothered with putting her in her place with the insults that she so easily inspires.) heh-heh |
Moonsigns
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 708
Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 01:38 pm: |
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Cynique:
"....I'm having so much fun!"
MOONSIGNS:
Likewise!
btw, if being such "bitches" is so noteworthy, maybe we'll be written into the storyline of one of her books--LMAO!
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A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1280
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 01:56 pm: |
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Tell you what Moonsigns the day I write anything in one of my books about a bitch like you will be the day I write about how deep a black man can ram his d*ck down your throat or how far up your azz he can stick it! BET the stuff you know about that could fill a tome. WAIT ON THAT DAY YA WOOLY BITCH! HAHAHAHAHHAHA!
Moonsigns: Cynique pass me a tampon pleeeeze! My ass is leakin all over the boooooooooard! HAHAHAHAHAHAH
TOUCHE! YOUR turn! hahahaha |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2752
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 02:41 pm: |
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EWE. The vile creature crawled out from under her rock, didn't she? Egad! I've created a monster. |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1281
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 03:20 pm: |
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Wow cynique you really DO have alzheimers don't you? You got your nerve calling someone vile--go back and read some of your posts to KOLA. You foul mouthed haranguing old drag Queen.
oh but it's ok to write those things about Kola in your eyes cuz Kola's just a black woman, right? |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2753
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 04:00 pm: |
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Right, a-woman(?) But I say what I say about you because even though I've never seen you I can sense that you're a foul, hideous excuse for a human being. And not only that you're stupid. Now have your say, resorting to the same ol garbage that you re-hash everytime you go into your silly little litany. And, in I response, because you ain't worth exerting myself over, I repeat: you are a hideous, foul excuse for a human being. And you're stupid. And, oh yes, - pathetic. And btw, why do you have time to go on line. Aren't you at work? Oh, I get it. Guess you've already mopped the office and emptied the ash trays and cleaned out the bathrooms. (OK that's your cue to make your usual references to my age and my employment at the ol PO. blah-blah-blah) zzzzzzzzzzz.
Excerpt for a-woman's e-mail. Dear E. Lynn Harris: What should I do when mean ol folks tear me down and tell me my masterpiece is a roll of toilet paper?? E. Lynn replies: well, girlfriend, I'd say just use the manuscript to wipe your crappy little ass, and forget about it. Now don't bother me any more. I'm busy with important things. |
A_womon
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1282
Registered: 05-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 04:30 pm: |
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ohhhhhhhh Immmmmmm cryin! cynique is sooo mean!
NOT !!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're attempts at "tearing me down" are tooooooo funneeee!! But you do try. Youre continual efforts trying to do so are LAUGHABLE. Puhleeze. You have to come better than that. OH, that is your best isn't it? ahahahhahahahaha!!
psssssst. come here cynnie, let me hip you to something...see it's like this, why would I care what a never-was like you has to say about me, my looks, or my writing? hunh? answer me that.
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Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 615
Registered: 02-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 04:32 pm: |
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When I visited with Lamb, he told me that A_Womon is "fine as hell" and that they used to be phone friends away from the board.
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Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2754
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 04:41 pm: |
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, a-woman. You've been served. Get over it. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2755
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 04:56 pm: |
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Oh sure, Kola-nut, I don't doubt that phyically a-woman would pass muster, but what I bring out in her resonates with a foul, hideous, stench. Is she stupid. Yes, because she's full of blind hate; maybe not for me. But for Moonsigns. Moonsigns has always pushed her buttons and a-woman was always stupid enough to lose her cool. Is she pathetic? Yes, because she has a superficial set of values. And speaking of Lambd. Wonder how the ol guy is doing. Wish he'd start posting again. I miss his laid-backness, and wry sense of humor. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1283
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 05:03 pm: |
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sure I been served--some COLD OATMEAL HA!
--take your meds granny, you're hallucinating again. in fact you been delusional all day old lady!
THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS THOUGH, I AINT LAUGHED THIS HARD IN A WHILE!!
HAHAHA! |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1284
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 05:06 pm: |
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you mean it's okay for you to have blind hatred for Kola, but I need to check my so called "blind hatred" for moonsigns? unh HUNH! I see... |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2756
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 05:08 pm: |
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And oh, yes, Kola-nut, will a-woman become the author of a best-selling book? No. And neither will you. The vast majority of book buyers are not really interested in all the mudane things you 2 have to say. Face it.
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A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1285
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 05:11 pm: |
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"And oh, yes, Kola-nut, will a-woman become the author of a best-selling book? No. And neither will you"
says the non talented never been published never was! HA! OOOOOOOOOOOOoo I'm sooooooo discouraged.... NOT! ha! keep em coming please this is funnnnnnneee |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2757
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 05:11 pm: |
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Contrary to popular belief, I don't have blind hatred for Kola. We just don't see eye to eye on anything and I don't trust her, but she's so crazy she's hard to hate. Right, Kola-nut. LOL |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1287
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 05:20 pm: |
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thanks Kola! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2758
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 05:30 pm: |
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Don't take my word for it. It's a well-known fact that the odds are astronomically stacked against someone writing a best-seller, especially a first-time author. And why do I have to keep repeating that my book was just something for me to do in the leisure of my retirement and that all the fun was in the creative process, including the desk-top publishing aspect. I never had high expectations for my "album of verbal snap-shots" because I knew what the industry was looking for, and I wasn't up to it. Anyway, this discussion has run its course. As I said, my dismissal of your writing aspirations is the best motivation you'll probably ever have. Carry on. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2759
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 05:36 pm: |
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BTW, your retorts are sooooo juvenile. Add this to the list. Is a-woman witty? No. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1288
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 05:54 pm: |
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and yours are so ---soo--geriatrical! hahaha whooowee! that's it! Im out! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2760
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 06:31 pm: |
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And silly. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 709
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 09:15 am: |
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Cynique,
The one and only place that dirty, overactive imagination has is in the fictional world of interracial erotica.--and one has to be so very gifted with such a brilliant mind to create such smut.
LMAO....again....again....and again! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2762
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 09:45 am: |
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Now, now, Moonie. Be nice. I'm sure a-woman is holed up somewhere, trying to pat herself on the back, convinced that her maniacal display of frustration was something other than an indication of her childish idiocy. Poor thing. She is so thwarted by my "intelligence" that she has to attribute it to my cutting and pasting things from google to get information about things that are common knowledge to people of my age. (As if all of my weird unorthodox opinions would come from the mind of someone else. Sheeze!) And we know, that even now, she is somewhere hovering with bucked eyes and baited breath ready to pounce again. Lie low, because Hurricane a-woman is on the horizon. Where is FEMA when we need it! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2766
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2005 - 02:11 pm: |
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Whew! I think we dodged the bullet, Moonie. |
Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 710
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 14, 2005 - 06:22 pm: |
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CYNIQUE:
"Whew! I think we dodged the bullet, Moonie."
MOONSIGNS:
LOL!!!!
CYNIQUE:
"And we know, that even now, she is somewhere hovering with bucked eyes and baited breath ready to pounce again."
MOONSIGNS:
Yep.
CYNIQUE:
"Where is FEMA when we need it!"
MOONSIGNS:
You're phucking hysterical, Cynique!
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Th_ethiopian
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Username: Th_ethiopian
Post Number: 30
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 02:35 pm: |
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^^^^^^^ thats it ive had it with these white rejects..........damn a white mans trash in america is a black mans treasure aint that the truth tonya...... mooni if u didnt eat so much twinkies when you were a kid u probably would have found a white man to love.......so sad.......i think white parents should scare fat white girls by telling them that if they dont loose weight they'll end up with niggers.....
" becky take it easy on the pudding.......if u keep it up u will end up marrying tyrone from the block" u dont want that do u? becky replies..."no mommy i promise it wont happen again" |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 06:06 pm: |
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"black men are doing the white race a favor...........because they are taking all the ugly,fat, and un wanted white females out of their gene pool. Ugly,fat,white hoe's need love too."
So what? Do you have a problem with that? If so, why do you even care? And if they were ugly, fat black hoe's would that make you feel better? |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 607
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 17, 2005 - 08:54 pm: |
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Colorist black man on board....... Watch out, folks! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2791
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 10:18 am: |
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I hear ya, Ntfs. Tell these folks who think they can dictate people's personal choices and use their old tired colorist label to try and shame those who exercise their right to like what they like. Welcome aboard! Glad we have somebody on the scene who isn't intimidated by would-be elitists who are, themselves, "colorists". |
Blaklioness
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Username: Blaklioness
Post Number: 8
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 10:55 am: |
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Cynique,
I notice that in many of your posts, when talking about the color issue you fail to mentioned WHY people make the personal choices they do. Are you talking about people exercising the RIGHT to make a choice or are you talking about HOW they came about making those choices? There's a world of difference between the two. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2794
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 11:47 am: |
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When it comes to color, ir doesn't matter to me why people make the choices they do. And if it matters to you why they make certain choices, then that's your problem, not theirs. Just because it would benefit you for everybody to be a colorist, doesn't mean that everyone is obligated to support your self-serving cause. You espouse a world view that you want to impose on others because you think others should only see things your way. Ain't gonna happen. And the idea that many people "acknowledge" colorism proves nothing. Just acknowledging that something exists doesn't mean everyone is in favor of falling in lock step with those who want to "free" others from exercising their options. |
Blaklioness
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Username: Blaklioness
Post Number: 9
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 12:29 pm: |
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Again, WHY wouldn't it matter? My views have nothing---absolutely nothing with preventing people from making whatever choices they want to make. People...adults...should have the right to do whatever they damn well please as long as those choices don't require them to infringe upon someone else's rights. However, that does NOT mean that the ethics of those choices shouldn't be questioned. The fact that you say they shouldn't be questioned implies that you already know WHY, but because you benefit from the status quo, you feel that things should stay the way you THINK they have always been. Ain't gonna happen. |
Th_ethiopian
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Username: Th_ethiopian
Post Number: 32
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 02:49 pm: |
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cynique do you have yellow fever? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2795
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 03:24 pm: |
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ethiopian, do you have the black plague???? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2796
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 03:32 pm: |
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blaklioness(yeh, right) you've had to have known all along where I stand on this subject, so why did you ask the question in the first place? It goes without saying that we have nothing to discuss, especially since I really don't feel like I have to explain myself to you. |
Blaklioness
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Username: Blaklioness
Post Number: 10
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Cynique,
This is a public forum is it not----a place for dialogue and discussion? Soooo...what's the what? What problem would you have chatting with me??
Also, why do you get to espouse your white supremacist privileges as though they're something uncommon or new, but when folks have an opposite perspective, you accuse them of being "sheeple"? |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 666
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 04:22 pm: |
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I'm so glad somebody ELSE is letting Cynique have it.
She so HATES black folks and doesn't even know it.
The quintessential Miss Anne with cornmeal coating.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2801
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 05:21 pm: |
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Oh shut up, Kola. You're so full of shit you stink. The way you suck up to Halle Berry, shows that you don't realize that you loooove and envy light-skinned people and your being in denial about this is why you're so maladjusted and Coo-Coo. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2802
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 06:05 pm: |
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Well, blaklioness, I wasn't aware that there were rules posters had to abide by in regard to whether or not they choose to discuss subjects. That being the case, I choose to break the rules and not discuss a subject that I'm tired of talking about. I don't espouse your point of view but I don't deny that you have the right to protest the color caste system. If I were dark-skinned I would probably do so, too, just as if you were light-skinned you would probably resist being lectured to and having guilt trips lain on you. Whatever. I am not a crusader or am I convinced that the arguments advanced by my detractors are totally valid. I deal with the realities of life and, believe me, this light-skinned privilege thing is greatly overrated, and you are naive if you think that reverse discrimination is not alive and well in the hands of dark-skinned people in positions of power; big fish in little ponds. Bottom line: I'm sick of re-hashing this subject over and over again. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 623
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 07:43 pm: |
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CRY BABY CYNNIQUE SAID:
I wasn't aware that there were rules posters had to abide by in regard to whether or not they choose to discuss subjects. That being the case, I choose to break the rules and not discuss a subject that I'm tired of talking about.... Bottom line: I'm sick of re-hashing this subject over and over again.
NAH-NAH-NAH! THAT AIN'T IT.
...LMBAO!
YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE GIRL -- THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.... LOL! FINALLY...... SOMEBODY WHO'LL PUT YOU RIGHT IN YOUR PLACE. AMEN!
Tonya |
Blaklioness
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 07:57 pm: |
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Cynique:
I understand...believe me. I'm dialoguing, so it's cool...really. I'm not a person who cares anything about laying down guilt trips because doing so implies that the power to change things lies in that other person's hands. This is simply not the case. (Didn't I tell you? SUCCESS is the best revenge.) Neither do I care about oppressing those who don't look like me because that requires me to maintain ties with them...which I have no desire to do. I will leave you with this...be aware of the words REVERSE discrimination...that implies that it's the unusual version of discrimination. In most cases it's not even discrimination...it's REACTION to being discriminated against. Be honest... most dark-skinned people in so-called power positions are there BECAUSE they cater to the status quo---NOT because they challenge it. Frequently, they are partnered with light/nonblack mates...so you KNOW they don't pose any real political threat to the establishment. Discrimination/racism requires not only will but POWER to enforce your belief systems on people who are deemed the enemy---typically to the detriment of those people. What percentage of Black (i.e. dark-skinned) people do you know of who engage in that kind of behavior?? Due to our experiences, most Black people engage in anti-BLACK behavior in some form or fashion....not anti-white/light. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2804
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 08:00 pm: |
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I wasn't aware blaklioness said anything new or different than the hot air the Konya team has been giving off ad nauseum. It's the same ol, same ol and I'm bored with it. So do your upper-case flaming elsewhere, you silly ditz. zzzzzzzzzz |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2805
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 08:17 pm: |
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OK, blaklioness you finally gave a variation on a theme. But as I said, I am weary of people describing the way it is and what will ensue because it is that way because that's the way they see it. People are not as in control of their destiny as they think because there are too many variables and too many unforseen stumbling blocks and the perceived problems are so fluid and things in such a state of flux that any goals achieved will only spawn new problems. I'm a cynic. Hence the screen name Cynique. I live and let live. But I have no problem with you keeping hope alive. |
Blaklioness
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 08:17 pm: |
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Cynique,
Jesus loves you! ;) What you won't hear now, you will SEE later. "We shall see," says the tortoise to the hare. "We shall see." |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2807
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 08:27 pm: |
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My religious leanings are Buddhist. We shall know if we read between the lines, absorb what isn't written. Peace. |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 128
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 01:08 am: |
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That's interesting Cynique ..., me, too.
Well, I "lean" toward Buddhism, but I'm not actually Buddhist. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 2817
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 01:13 am: |
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I'm actually into Zen and the Nicherian sect of Buddhism. |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 17
Registered: 01-2006
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I think that black men who marry white women have inferiority complexes. Black ppl have been discriminating against one another for years based on skin color, and hair texture. Now, many black men have taken it to the extreme. Case in point my brother. He refuses to date black women. He even told me that he want pretty light-skinned children. That is why he got with a unnattractive Latina. Things in this country have not changed. Racism against African Americans based on skin color still persist. Some black ppl thing that if their children look more like the oppressor than they will be treated better. Black men need to face their heritage in the face instead of running from it. Until we as black ppl learn to love ourselves than the dominate culture will never learn to respect us. |
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