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Lil_ze
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Post Number: 609
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:29 am: | 
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the history of america (as far as "black people" goes)is if you have "one drop" of black blood, you are black.
in other countries (brazil, the dominican republic, puerto rico, and other central and south american countries) where black people are, if you have "one drop" of white blood, you are considered "not black".
one of the most powerful facts that unite our people (atleast in america) is that if you have one drop of black blood, you are black.
there is very little confusion or division (im not saying there is NO division based on shade of skin amongst our people in america), but it is not even close to the divisions that are present in some of these latin american countries in regard to "who is black" or not.
its very interesting when i see a dominican come to america (who might be the color of michael jordan), attempt to separate himself from "black americans" or claim "im NOT black". what a joke.
many of these "black latinos" are horrified to find out that when they come to america, they are seen as black people. but in their countries they are not considered "black". many of these "black latinos" go out of their way to speak spanish OUTLOUD in public, just to try and let people know they are not "black".
i think we as a people (black americans) should feel good about being united in terms of "we are ALL black".
im sure all of us have light skin and dark skin people in their families, and there is no issue.
in these other countries, this is not the case. there is a great division based on shade of skin.
the slave master in america, dictated that regardless of skin shade, if you have one drop. you ARE black.
these "black people" from some of these other counties have SERIOUS hangups regarding who they actually are. many of them (even though they are as dark or darker than our people in america) try with all there might to separate themselves from black americans.
all these "black hispanics" who don't think they are black, and consider themselves "spanish" or "hispanic", id LOVE for them to go to SPAIN, and see just how "spanish" they really are.
despite the efforts of some people (many on this board) to divide "black americans" based on shade of skin, this will NEVER happen.
black americans have always been united, regarding our identity as "black people". the shade of our skin is seldom an issue.
sadly in many other contries, this is not the case with "black people". |
Misty
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:50 am: |
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Lil_ze, I know me and you rarely agree on anything but you’re right on point with this post. The only thing i have to disagree when you say the shade of our skin in america is seldom an issue because it is a big issue BUT it's not as NEARLY an issue as it is in latin countries.
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Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:57 am: |
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misty, there is a saying that "we can disagree without being disagreeable".
if we disagree on an issue fine. but we don't have to be nasty toward one another.
if i did say anything nasty toward you on any other thread, then i will say im sorry. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 01:05 am: |
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Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:19 am: |
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exactly mzuri!!!!!!!!!!!!
you know i want to kiss the female board members on the mouth with tounge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but i don't want to get off of the topic at hand. |
Eastwest
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:28 am: |
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Lil Z,I don't know who you are but
What do you think about Africans who have the Nerve to claim that black americans and Africans are one and the same?
I DO NOT Agree with that at all.
You have African females on this board who think
Black American guys should find them attractive.
They act like American black guys OWE them something.I wonder if these Third World idiots Ever stop and think about where they COME FROM.I went to Nigeria on a business trip last year.
It is NOT something I would do again.
It wasn't just the Smell of the place that got on my Nerves.It was the Stupidity and Ignorance of the people over there that made me think that Africans for the most part are TO BLAME FOR THE MESS THAT is Africa. At almost every check point Me and My business partner(she was also black american)were harassed by military police men.They wanted money.They would say dumb stuff like "you are american,All americans are rich".Beggers would surround our car,some of them kids. It was a very annoying trip.The country is Badly run,and very corrupt on every level.
Instead of gossiping about celebrities like Beyonce and complaining about light skinned females, Nigerians on this board SHOULD start sending donations to their Country.By donations I mean,do something Positive for poor kids over there,help build A school over there(their education system is VERY POOR) Instead of relying on white people or some black american to feel bad for them. MAYBE THESE AFRICANS SHOULD LEARN TO TAKE CARE OF THEM SELVES AND THEIR SHIT HOLE COUNTRIES.
It's just a thought. |
Jackie
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:37 am: |
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Eastwest, you can easily go to Tijuana and experience the same thing(and that's right on the border of San Diego, Ca.) And let's not get into America's educational system...that's a whole other thread. The tone of your writing appears to derive from plain prejudice, classism, and cultural bias. And most third world countrymen think that Americans are rich ! LOL ! |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 08:19 am: |
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lil_ze: your understanding of the one drop rule is historically inaccurate...that was and has always been debate and conflict, rhetorical and physical, over who was and was not black.
the most prominent cases were among those in florida[afro-indian identity], louisiana[spanish, french, african], and parts of the southwest[mexican, spanish, african]...
And in this spanish caribbean and latin countries, you also have single families that comprise a multihued tapestry of siblings and relatives.
finally, food for thought:
what makes your[or the US's] notion of blackness right and their [latin/spanish caribbean] notion wrong? They are different, both right in their own regional context.
The fact is, what you have cited--ODR--as a unifier was used as a divided of humanity for the purpose of usurping greater wealth of what you call black people....in these other places, this was the same goal, but it made they---white folk--chose another strategy in which to exploit Africans. Thus, these two approaches are not about unity or division at all but ways of exploiting free and unfree labor.
Finally, class, gender, and religious differences prevent socalled "african americans" from being unified....so this ODR in fact is insuffient really to keep folk together...once you understand that slavery was about exploited labor not only one's color, the fact of intra-racial class conflict begins to make more sense in this present moment. |
Urban_scribe
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 08:23 am: |
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Excellent, excellent post, Lil_ze. Bravo!
My thing is, if you identify as Black, at ALL times, without compromise, then you are Black. No matter how light your skin may be, no matter how "un-kinky" your hair may be, no matter how "non-negroid" your features may be, if you claim Blackness, affiliate yourself with the Black community, and are passionate about and productive in seeing the Black community excel, at all times, whether it's to your advantage, and knowing in most cases it's to your disadvantage, then you are Black.
Now if you're one of those "convenient negroes", i.e. only Black when you need a student loan, a business loan, a home loan, or when 5-O profiles and pulls you over without probable cause, for no other reason than DWB, and harrasses and even assaults you, then you want to play victim and tell the whole world, "They only did it because I'm Black." But any other time you would be "other," well then fuck you, too. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 09:47 am: |
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"Now if you're one of those "convenient negroes", i.e. only Black when you need a student loan, a business loan, a home loan, or when 5-O profiles and pulls you over without probable cause, for no other...........it because I'm Black." But any other time you would be "other," well then fuck you, too."
Urban Scribe: I'm not sure what you were thinking when you wrote that because 95% of all black people cannot be "convenient negroes" (according to your definition) whether they want to be or not. The overwhelming percentage of black people, will immediately be identified as being or having some black in them, regardless of what they think or believe. Most black people have the ability to sniff out others who may have some black lineage while other groups my not necessarily have the ability to do so. It's probably because, as a group, we are exposed to more so-called bi-racial and mixed people of various hues and physical attributes, that it is easier for us to make the discernment than others. But regardless, the overwhelming percentage of black people cannot walk any type "black only when I need to be" line. They're black and they can't hide it (from other black people) whether they want to or not.
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Renata
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 11:30 am: |
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NTFS....that's a lie and you know it. Many people, my own sister one of them, are black when they need it, but other any other time.
Now, she puts "black" on school loans and such. But she tells everyone she's mixed (with two black non-mixed parents and NAPPY, not kinky, hair, I don't see how that's possible, but... LOL) and she ONLY dates and hangs out with white people. Twenty nine years old and she's never even held hands with a black man and never will. And she will SLICE your ass if you call her black in public. (but don't tell the student loan people, LOL) |
Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 11:32 am: |
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But truthfully, she's much lighter than many bi-racial kids I've seen, so she can pass.....when her hair is permed. |
Abm
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Renata,
Your parents must be so PROUD of her. |
Brownbeauty123
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Renata,
I'm curious to know, does your sister have very keen features to be able to pass for White? |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:10 pm: |
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I agree, Urban Scribe. Anybody who voluntarily takes on the burden of blackness on a permanet basis should be taken into the fold. As for the convenient members, they are the black sheep of the family. |
Urban_scribe
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:21 pm: |
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Ntfs,
Renata summed up what I was conveying with the term "convenient negroes". Although, Black lineage is detectable to the naked eye in most (vast majority?) of Blacks, amongst those Blacks there are many who will holler "mixed, mixed, mixed" at the top of their lungs ... until the shit hits the fan OR they can get something out of identifying as Black ... then they're "Black, Black, Black."
Otherwise, try calling one of them Black. They'll tell you you're a one-dropper and it is not your place to project your colorized ideology upon them and strip them of their right to identify as they damn well please - regardless to how ridiculous society views their self-identity. This is the premise of Ward Connerly's whole "mixed" agenda. My argument against that has always been: you can call yourself a purple banana if that's what turns you on, but when you go out into the world, unless the world/society views you as being a purple banana and TREATS you as such, you are making a complete and total ass of yourself. These are the "convenient negroes" of which I speak. |
Igbogirl
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 12:37 pm: |
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OK, so the white slave master said that anybody with even one drop of Nigger blood is...A Nigger.
And because massa said that, we have to follow it???????????????????? And call people who CLEARLY have more white blood than black - BLACK?
I hate how so many things that happen in modern-day Black America are the direct result of what Massa told y'all to do or did to you (calling you nigger, ruining your family structure, trying to emasculate black men, calling even an octoroon "black" so as to create a divisive culture that is obsessed with hair texture and skin shade)
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Enchanted
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How about white people who give their lives to black culture and the black community? I know lots of white people who talk more black than we do and live with blacks only. Are they black too if they want to claim it?
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Igbogirl
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WTF? Of course they are not black. |
Enchanted
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Good points Igbogirl but the fact remains African Americans have lived that way too long for it not to be true. If you raise a dog and cat to believe they are family then to them they will always be family and that pretty much is the case for us. An African cant understand because you were not enslaved or come in so many shades from rape. Blacks and mixed people are family because of slavery. We are all "black" because we share a common experience. As an African you really cant comment.
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Renata
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She can't pass for white, she can pass for mixed, korean, or vietnamese......if not for her hair. But she keeps it permed and just say she's mixed. Her theory....if you're light skin and live in the US, you're mixed, not black. |
Renata
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To her, only dark skinned people and Africans are black. |
Enchanted
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When Toni Morrison said that Bill Clinton was our first black president I know what she meant and I do think there are some whites who qualify as black. Not very many but there is a few.
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Enchanted
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Renata in fairness I have heard many Africans say that there is no such thing as a light skinned black person. They have light skinned "Africans", but not light skinned "blacks". That seems to be the rule where they come from so your sister has her right.
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Igbogirl
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I agree with some of this. This stupid notion in Black America that people who are damned near white are actually 'light skinned blacks' is very harmful. CAll 'em what they are. It would stop some of the proper blacks from feeling that they were always being compared negatively with the mixed breed types. A lot of little black girls wish desperately that they looked like Halle, not realizing that Halle isn't a black woman. She's a mixed woman, as much white blood runs through her veins as black! |
Abm
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Enchanted,
To Africans, Black is a color.
To African Americans, Black is a concept. |
Enchanted
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Abm did you miss this somehow?:Good points Igbogirl but the fact remains African Americans have lived that way too long for it not to be true. If you raise a dog and cat to believe they are family then to them they will always be family and that pretty much is the case for us. An African cant understand because you were not enslaved or come in so many shades from rape. Blacks and mixed people are family because of slavery. We are all "black" because we share a common experience. As an African you really cant comment. Originally posted by Enchanted
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Abm
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Enchanted,
No. I read that. I guess, in principle, I would agree.
Is there something point of emphasis you're attempting to express to me here? |
Urban_scribe
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Enchanted wrote:
How about white people who give their lives to black culture and the black community? ... Are they black too if they want to claim it?
...I do think there are some whites who qualify as black. Not very many but there is a few.
For me, the answer would be no. I say this because even Whites who affiliate themselves with Blacks, in their personal and/or professional lives, do not encounter the discrimination on a regular (possibly daily) basis that Blacks must contend with.
When Whites who associate with Blacks walk down the street alone, they're not carrying an "I'm a nigger lover" sign, so how would anyone know, treat them unfairly, or strip them of their "White privilege" due to affiliations they have with Blacks?
One of my grandmothers was White, but she identified as Black. She said because in 1940 New York it was easier and SAFER for her to be a Black woman, who appeared to be White, married to a dark-skinned Black man (my grandfather) and mother of his children.
But my mom told me of an incident that took place in the early 1950s that I've never forgotten: One of my uncle's (mom's brother) had very bad asthma. My grandmother was having lunch with one of her sister's at a restaurant that didn't serve Blacks. My uncle had an asthma attack, so my mother went to go tell my grandmother that he was taken to the hospital. My mother, who looks the way most people with one Black and one White parent look, ran into the restaurant screaming, "Mama, Mama!" My grandmother responded. Then the waiter took my grandmother and her sister's plates and smashed them on the floor and said, "We don't serve niggers." Then he chased my mother, grandmother, and her sister out of the restaurant.
I relay this story because had my mother never shown up and let the establishment know that there was a White woman amongst them who had Black children, they wouldn't have known any different. My grandmother and her sister would have enjoyed their meal, paid their check, then went on their merry way - because my grandmother was NOT affected by discrimination when unaccompanied by her children or my grandfather.
So this is why I say no - Whites who affiliate themselves with Blacks CANNOT claim Blackness. |
Enchanted
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Abm I was answering your post before that about color and concept. I thought I had already made that point. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 01:40 pm: |
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I think Enchanted's question was rhetorical. But if a white person chooses to claim Blackness by marrying into a Black family, what's to stop them. Individual people can do and believe whatever they choose. Obviously, the rest of us probably aren't going to perceive them as being Black, but that's besides the point. |
Ntfs_encryption
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”NTFS....that's a lie and you know it. Many people, my own sister one of them, are black when they need it, but other any other time.”
Uhhhhhh…..You missed my point. I never said there are no black people who would not conveniently pull the slight of race con game. What I stated was the majority of black people in this country cannot pass of anything other than black. They will not be confused for being Filipino, Mexican, Chinese, German, Russian, Japanese or Samoan. They will be identified as being black. Think not? If you randomly picked 100 blacks from you very own city, photographed them and organized their photos like they do for police mug shots, out of the 100, how many would you have difficulty identifying by race? Your counter response will be; I would know they were black to begin with, that is why I selected them. That’s my point! BY LOOKING AT THEM YOU WOULD KNOW THEY WERE BLACK! EVEN IF THEY WERE VERY FAIR SKINNED, WITH VAIROUS TEXTURES OF HAIR AND EYE COLOR. The Imitation of Life type of Peola’s are not common and they are the paradox of the one drop rule. BUT COMPARE THE PEOLA’S TO THE NUMBER OF BLACKS YOU DO KNOW. I never suggested the Peola’s would not opt out for being a member of another race other than black. I just simply stated opting out for another race is not an open option for the majority of American blacks.
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Abm
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Enchanted,
Perhaps you did.
Thanks. |
Ntfs_encryption
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”Otherwise, try calling one of them Black. They'll tell you you're a one-dropper and it is not your place to project your colorized ideology upon them and strip them of their right to identify as they damn well please - regardless to how ridiculous society views their self-identity.”
Good point. I agree. As you know, there has been a movement for people of so called mixed race heritage to have a separate racial category on certain applications that require race identification or for the purpose of the census which is taken every ten years. Although many blacks are offended by this attempt at distancing themselves from being labeled black, I have mixed feelings about it. If they want to do so, fine. Let them. I could care less what they want to be identified as. But if they were DNA tested, you can believe their Negro DNA markers will be discovered!
”This is the premise of Ward Connerly's whole "mixed" agenda. My argument against that has always been: you can call yourself a purple banana if that's what turns you on, but when you go out into the world, unless the world/society views you as being a purple banana and TREATS you as such, you are making a complete and total ass of yourself. These are the "convenient negroes" of which I speak.”
On the money! I agree again. And Ward Connerly is the worst example you could give. I have never seen a black man who desperately wants to be any and everything but a black man. As you know, I rarely criticize anyone for their racial affiliations or desire to be identified as such. It’s your personal business whether I agree or not. But I have some very serious issues with this guy.
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 02:58 pm: |
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"But if they were DNA tested, you can believe their Negro DNA markers will be discovered!"
They are not trying to conceal their Black heritage at all by choosing to identify with multiracial. |
Abm
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Ntfs,
I wish someone would write or underwrite a tell-all book on Ward Connerly. I'll BET he's got LOTS of shyt backed up in his toilet bowl. |
Urban_scribe
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 03:13 pm: |
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But, BB123, not all multiracials have Black/African ancestry. Multiracial and mixed are catch-all phrases. If you're half-Black, half-Asian - you're mixed/multiracial. If you're half-White, half-Asian - you're mixed/multiracial. If you're half-Black, half-Native American - you're mixed/multiracial, etc.
Because multiracial/mixed is so vague, it applies to an unlimited variety of mixtures, without indicating any cultural/ethnic affiliations. This, in my book, renders the term multiracial/mixed a meaningless cop-out because, surely, multiracial Black-Asians (as a group) do not see themselves the same as multiracial White-Asians (as a group). |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 22, 2006 - 03:18 pm: |
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True, Urban-Scribe.
Because if a person were to say, "I'm multiracial", then that leaves another question, "with what?"
Generally, when I think of the term "multiracial" the first thing that pops into my head is Black and a list of other ethnicities. |
Abm
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Urban_scribe,
I believe many advocates of multiracial classification are less concerned about doning a demographic moniker that strickly matches what they are and are MORE concern with being able to call themselves anything OTHER than...Black. |
Renata
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Halle has one white parent. We don't. We don't even have white grandparents, or even great grandparents.
I kinda believe we may have Hausa blood. My sister has the puffy, slanted eyes that they have. But with her skin color, she comes across looking more Asian than Hausa. |
Renata
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Halle has one white parent. We don't. We don't even have white grandparents, or even great grandparents.
I kinda believe we may have Hausa blood. My sister has the puffy, slanted eyes that they have. But with her skin color, she comes across looking more Asian than Hausa. |
Renata
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Also, this "mixed" thing didn't start to happen until she was interested in guys....who INSISTED she tell their family she was mixed so she'd be accepted by them. |
Igbogirl
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One of the schemes used by the KKK and others to determine black blood was this:
for females, strip the woman down adn open her legs. Shine a torch if necessary. If her pussy lips and clitoris are purple, blackish, dark brown - she is a negro. If her pussy lips and clitoris are light or medium pink, she is either white or has a lot of non-black blood in her. |
Igbogirl
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Also, this "mixed" thing didn't start to happen until she was interested in guys....who INSISTED she tell their family she was mixed so she'd be accepted by them.
So you're saying that eveyr man your sister dated made her pretend to be mixed? What color are her pussy lips and clitoris? |
Renata
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We're from Mississippi. It's normal there for white families to not accept black in-laws. Some people are even disinherited when they marry black. |
Renata
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She now lives in some small California town and will PROUDLY tell us that she hasn't seen any full black people there since she moved there last year. Mostly mixed, white, and mexicans. |
Igbogirl
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I didn't realize that you meant your sister was dating exclusively white men |
Ntfs_encryption
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"They are not trying to conceal their Black heritage at all by choosing to identify with multiracial."
This is true. But I was referring to those who openly deny or live their lives under the guise of not having any black genetic heritage. Not those who refer to themselves as multiracial.
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Tonya
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The only thing that makes me not want to be black is other black people.
I'm not racist. Nor classist or colorist. Nor am I some kind of Ideologue.
I just like my people like I like my men: CONFIDENT.
A man can have one eye lower than the other and pump gas for a living.
If he thinks he's the best, he's the best.
And before long, he'll have me thinking he's sexy.
On the other hand: he can have the cash, the looks, a ton of money and all of the credentials... if he's waiting for someone to tell him he's king, HE'S KING...
...if I'm in need of a new pair of shoes.
He'll in NO WAY have me thinking he's sexy though.
That's not how I like my people. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"The only thing that makes me not want to be black is other black people.
I'm not racist. Nor classist or colorist. Nor am I some kind of Ideologue.
I just like my people..........
That's not how I like my people."
Nice post. And I definitely agree with your statement:" The only thing that makes me not want to be black is other black people." My blackness has never been shaken nor threaten by racism from non-blacks -NEVER! It only increases my resolve. I have many heroes (William Grant Still, Marian Anderson, Benjamin Davis, Jr., Samuel Lee Gravely, Althea Gibson, et al...) I look to for inspiration and I analyze the very difficult times and the extremely harsh conditions they labored under. But Lawd knows -black people will test your patience and fortitude!!!!!
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Abm
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Tonya: "The only thing that makes me not want to be black is other black people."
That's an interesting statement. I mean, I understand it and all. But in a way it's akin to saying The only thing I don't like about being a mother is having children. |
Tonya
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Abm,
You're assuming that other black people (the kind that lack confidence) are what make a person black.
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Tonya
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......or are you saying that's what I'm assuming?
If so......gotchu  |
Enchanted
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I am deep chocolate colored and my pussy lips and clitoris are PINK. I thought all women had pink pussy and lips. All the black girls I saw in shower at gym looked to have pink pussy and clit.
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Ntfs_encryption
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"I thought all women had pink pussy and lips."
Well, that's certainly has been my experience so far...... |
Toubobie
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speaking of colorful genitals...
there are many black men whose dicks don't match the color of their bodies. The darker his skin, the more likely his dick and face will match. |
Misty
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"misty, there is a saying that "we can disagree without being disagreeable".
if we disagree on an issue fine. but we don't have to be nasty toward one another.
if i did say anything nasty toward you on any other thread, then i will say im sorry."
its ok lil_ze...jsut be you...i dont take it serious when someone insults me....because this is jsut the internet.
but yeah jsut because we disagree on one thing doesnt mean we will always disagree.
anyway sorry it took me so long to post this...my computer had shut down and didnt let me back on fro a long time
peace
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Misty
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"The fact is, what you have cited--ODR--as a unifier was used as a divided of humanity for the purpose of usurping greater wealth of what you call black people....in these other places, this was the same goal, but it made they---white folk--chose another strategy in which to exploit Africans. Thus, these two approaches are not about unity or division at all but ways of exploiting free and unfree labor."
you're rihgt the one drop rule was CREATED to exploit black people...BUT...it can be used for good and as a unifier of black people...which it was actually used as a unifier...without the one drop rule Martin Luther King would ahve never been able to rally so many people to his side to fight for black causes. This is partly why america is FAR more advanced in terms of its race issues than brazil |
Nels
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Lil_ze --
"one of the most powerful facts that unite our people (atleast in america) is that if you have one drop of black blood, you are black."
Ho Hum. I think you're in left field on that one. The ODR is not a "fact", nor is it a truth. It's an arbitrary non-scientific standard that was created by white folks just like the notion of hypodescendency was. Hypodescendency and the ODR work hand in hand. |
Lil_ze
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"FACT" or not, the "one drop rule" is in effect in the "world of black americans".
whether or not it was created by "white folks" is not the issue.
in the world of "our people", if you have on drop of black blood, you are considered (and we consider you) black.
this is the case. like it or not. agree with it or not. |
Nels
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Lil_ze --
"whether or not it was created by "white folks" is not the issue."
That's the point, it's a baseless assumption - a hollow tool of oppression. So in that case, what you perceive is based on an irrelevant and invalid standard that is only practiced in the United States. But then again, no one really cares how (you) preceive the ODR. Luckily, (we) live in a country where everyone is entitled to their own opinion. One more thing, if you're truly "black" by your definition, then (we) would only expect you to see things from one perspective. |
Tropical_storm
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The problem is, proponents are NEVER able to actually define the term "Black."
As a result it becomes a very useless term that defines "a people" who include any and everybody as one of "their people."
From Nicole Richie and Heather Locklear to Iman and Barack Obama. Far from making Blacks "unified" it's made their group the dumping ground for American mulattos, quadrooons, octoroons, Kenyans, Northern Sudanese and EVERYBODY else that isn't "good enough" to claim anything else.
Have some self respect for crying out loud and clearly define who you are as a people and have some STANDARDS for who can claim to be a part of your group! |
Nels
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Tropical_storm --
"From Nicole Richie and Heather Locklear to Iman and Barack Obama. Far from making Blacks "unified" it's made their group the dumping ground for American mulattos, quadrooons, octoroons, Kenyans, Northern Sudanese and EVERYBODY else that isn't "good enough" to claim anything else."
They're good enough alright. In fact it's the blacks at the other end of the color "scale" that have the inferiority complex; constantly looking for a new identity, a new type of name, inter-marrying, hair weaves, and the like. Pathetic or sad, any way you cut it. |
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