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Serenasailor
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Post Number: 879
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 03:22 am: | 
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MONTGOMERY, Ala. - It has been part of the lore of America's first black fighter pilots since the end of World War II: The Tuskegee Airmen never lost a bomber to enemy fire.
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But now, more than 60 years later, a leader of the group says he has uncovered records proving the claim is not accurate.
Air Force records show that at least a few bombers escorted by the red-tailed fighters of the Tuskegee Airman were shot down by enemy planes, William F. Holton, historian of Tuskegee Airmen Inc., said in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. And the group's losses may have been much greater, he said.
Holton's research was first reported Sunday by the Montgomery Advertiser.
Some surviving members of the group were offended by the findings of Holton and Daniel Haulman of the Air Force Historical Research Agency at Maxwell-Gunter Air Force Base in Montgomery, who came to the same conclusion.
Former Tuskegee Airman Carrol Woods of Montgomery called their claims "outrageous."
"I think they are trying to destroy our record. What's the point now?" Woods, 87, told the Advertiser.
Holton said his sole interest is in making sure the group's history is as accurate as possible.
The president of the Tuskegee Airmen Inc., retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Russell Davis, said he will no longer claim in speeches that the group never lost a bomber under its escort.
"I'm going to drop (it) until we can get this thing clarified," Davis said. "We've got some homework to do, obviously."
The Tuskegee Airmen were the first group of black fighter pilots allowed into the U.S. Army Air Corps. They got their name from the Alabama town where they trained.
With nearly 1,000 pilots and as many as 19,000 support personnel ranging from mechanics to nurses, the group was credited with shooting down more than 100 enemy aircraft and — for years — with never losing an American bomber under escort.
Holton, who has been historian of the association for about a decade, said he began leafing through old mission reports after hearing a veteran complain that the Tuskegee Airmen really did lose some bombers.
Haulman said the group's combat mission reports clearly show that U.S. bombers were lost while being escorted by Tuskegee Airmen in Europe.
One mission report says that on July 26, 1944: "1 B-24 seen spiraling out of formation in T/A (target area) after attack by E/A (enemy aircraft). No chutes seen to open."
A second report, dated Aug. 31, 1944, praises group commander Gen. Benjamin O. Davis Jr. by saying he "so skillfully disposed his squadrons that in spite of the large number of enemy fighters, the bomber formation suffered only a few losses."
A third report says that on Sept. 12, 1944: "10 Me-109s attacked the rear of the bomber formation from below and left one B-17 burning, with 6 chutes seen to open."
Holton, of Columbia, Md., suspects that claims about the all-black group never losing a plane resulted from something that happened in May 1945 around the end of the war.
In a letter commending Davis, Col. Buck Taylor said the group had the distinction of never losing a bomber, Holton said. A military public relations representative included the claim in Davis' official biography, he said, and Davis later put it in his autobiography.
Holton, in the AP interview, said it is unclear where Taylor got his information, "but that's sort of where the whole concept emanated from."
Holton said while the reports document a few bomber losses, far more planes may have been lost. The only way to determine the group's true record is to scour the post-mission reports of bomber groups that were escorted by the Airmen's P-51 fighters.
Alan Gropman, who teaches at the National Defense University in Washington, told the Advertiser that more research is needed, but added: "Even if they lost three or four bombers, it would still be minuscule compared to the losses incurred by white pilots who also escorted bombers."
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Chrishayden
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Post Number: 3083
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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What the white man giveth the white man taketh away--any black man serving in these armed forces is a fool. |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 882
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 02:03 pm: |
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I agree 150 % Chrishayen. You know I kind of like the way you think!! |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 1213
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 02:31 pm: |
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"any black man serving in these armed forces is a fool."
Oh Really? Why is that? Details please.... |
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