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Mzuri
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Post Number: 2219
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 04:37 am: | 
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November 30, 2006 -- OPRAH Winfrey is really an Oreo - black on the outside but white on the inside, according to 50 Cent. In the January issue of Elle, the rapper says Winfrey "started out with black women's views but has been catering to middle-aged white American women for so long that she's become one herself. I think the idea of being publicly noted that she's a billionaire makes [black women] interested in seeing her views. But it's even more exciting to the demographic of white American women she's been aiming at to see that she has the exact same views that they have."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11302006/gossip/pagesix/50_cents_worth_pagesix_.htm |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 1590
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When "50" starts using his money for something meaningful rather than parading women as whores and takes a good look at how he negatively influences the lives of (too) many young black men, maybe --MAYBE-- I'll respect, as well as consider, his opinions of others who happen to be contributing to society in a much more positive way.
His ignorant comment(s) prove he has money, but his mind still hasn't left the ghetto. And, that is such a shame -and a waste.
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Mzuri
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Post Number: 2220
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Regardless of what I think of Fiddy - he's the first person to publicly hit the nail on the head.
OPRAH REALLY IS AN OREO.
With her pompous fat ass trying to tell people what to think and what to read. And what to wear and eat and what movies to watch. As if ppl can't think for themselves. That OREO wench!
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Latina_wi
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Username: Latina_wi
Post Number: 69
Registered: 08-2006
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MOONSIGNS said: When "50" starts using his money for something meaningful rather than parading women as whores and takes a good look at how he negatively influences the lives of (too) many young black men, maybe --MAYBE-- I'll respect, as well as consider, his opinions of others who happen to be contributing to society in a much more positive way.
His ignorant comment(s) prove he has money, but his mind still hasn't left the ghetto. And, that is such a shame -and a waste.
Latina_WI: Wow...you ahve just basically taken the words out of mouth! You are so right. And I think 50 cent should be the last person to speak about pleasing 'white america'. Everytime he releases another song or video game portraying a gangster image he basically confirms white american racists that young black men are just 'thugs'. If he wants to do more for black american women about how he stops exploiting them for a while?
And I believe that Oprah has good intentions. I do not necessarily believe she wants to make people follow and worship her. But expresses an opinion on something and let's others take it from there. She isn't forcing anyone to buy her books et cetera.
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Latina_wi
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 12:20 pm: |
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MOONSIGNS said: When "50" starts using his money for something meaningful rather than parading women as whores and takes a good look at how he negatively influences the lives of (too) many young black men, maybe --MAYBE-- I'll respect, as well as consider, his opinions of others who happen to be contributing to society in a much more positive way.
His ignorant comment(s) prove he has money, but his mind still hasn't left the ghetto. And, that is such a shame -and a waste.
Latina_WI: Wow...you ahve just basically taken the words out of mouth! You are so right. And I think 50 cent should be the last person to speak about pleasing 'white america'. Everytime he releases another song or video game portraying a gangster image he basically confirms white american racists that young black men are just 'thugs'. If he wants to do more for black american women about how he stops exploiting them for a while?
And I believe that Oprah has good intentions. I do not necessarily believe she wants to make people follow and worship her. But expresses an opinion on something and let's others take it from there. She isn't forcing anyone to buy her books et cetera.
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Yvettep
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Post Number: 1437
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
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50 and O are two peas in a pod: O's audience core is middle class suburban White women and 50's is composed of their teenage and 20-something sons and daughters. He should thank his lucky stars every day for Oprah. |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 1438
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 12:24 pm: |
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In the January issue of Elle...
Yes, hard-core Black mag that it is. Gimme a break! LOL |
Cynique
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Post Number: 5886
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 12:50 pm: |
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LOL. That's so true, Yvette. And Fiddy really lost me when he made the statement that he likes and admires George Bush.
But I agree with Mzuri that Oprah is full of herself. Or am I surprised that Moonie likes "O" because she is a typical representative of Oprah's core audience. As for "Latina_W", that emerging authority on everything black, she needs to restrict her comments to whether tacos are more fattening than burritos. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 01:06 pm: |
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50 cent is dumb... |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 2221
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 02:53 pm: |
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quote:50 cent is dumb...
And he got to be on the following list how? By being dumb???
The Celebrity 100
1. Tom Cruise
2. Rolling Stones
3. Oprah Winfrey
4. U2
5. Tiger Woods
6. Steven Spielberg
7. Howard Stern
8. 50 Cent
9. Cast of The Sopranos
10. Dan Brown
http://www.forbes.com/2006/06/12/06celebrities_money-power-celebrities-list_land .html
And yes, Oprah is ahead of him on this list - but how long has she been around? 20 years now??? |
Doberman23
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 03:21 pm: |
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oprah winfrey and 50 cents aren't two peas of a pod. your straight smoking whintney houston's stash up! though noone is perfect at least one of them aspires to it and it damn sure aint 50 cent. in fact revisit this post in about 4 years ... 50 cent is going to have start some beef with other rappers because by then he will have fell all the way off because he's not even that good of a rapper, so he'll have to get some controversy brewing "look at me...hey look at me", while oprah will still be running it. 50 is a bitch and oprah is a woman.  |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 04:12 pm: |
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mzuri: yes. he is dumb. this thread, i suspect, is not about his lyrical skills. it is about his comments on whom Oprah represents. And, I submit, he lyrical flow, which itself is not great, doesn't give him any qualifications or expertise on these issues.
This maybe a dumb question on my part [wont be the first], but what does the celebrity 100 list have to do with this discussion? |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 04:23 pm: |
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Doesn't one of the terms of your standard gangsta rap contract require "said ignant nikka" to periodically call some other high profile Black person a "sell-out"?
I think it's a part of the (ridiculous attention-seeking) "Keepin' It REEL!!!" clause. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 04:37 pm: |
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LOL! |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 2222
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 04:40 pm: |
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Yukio - Fiddy is on the Forbes 100 richest entertainers list. He took in $41M. You don't make that type of money by being dumb. Fiddy might be many things, but dumb is not one of them. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 2223
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 04:46 pm: |
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http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/53/M80Q.html
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Tonya
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Post Number: 3509
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 05:05 pm: |
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She’s looking more & more like an Oreo, every day, with each passing show. It's gotten to the point where I'm uncomfortable whenever she calls herself acting black for her audience...like when she breaks into her ghetto slave girl accent, dragging the word "hussssband," switching over to Black English just to make things sound funnier....that sort of stuff---which is starting to seem to be her way of kicking a little BLACK FACE as a little JOKIE JOKE for her little uppity, mostly white audience..…only it's not that funny!--(don't get BLACK when you think it's funny-n-hilarious, or when you think it's convenient!!--NO--do it when you see a nigga that really needs it: a 92-year-old black women gets shot a hunerd times by the government...GET BLACK THEN, BITCH. Shit.). I'm not comfortable when she does that...nor do I like how she claims to care so much about the issues facing women here and abroad yet has never devoted a mere segment of her show to the fact that an entire race of American women are struggling to make ends meet for nearly an entire community, ALL ON THEIR OWN. How does she explain that? I mean, aren't they women too? Aren’t they sexualized and stigmatized and as compromised as any other woman? And doesn't the issues they face, a phenomenon such as the one they're experiencing, just as important and deserving of her audience's undivided attention? When's the last time you heard of an entire race of AMERICAN women raising a generation of children on their own? Why wouldn’t a top notched, socially responsible audience like Oprah's want to know about something like this ...especially since they expressed so much gratitude for being informed each of the last 1/2 million times Oprah showed it happening all over Africa. How traumatized they were each time. What could POSSIBLY prevent them from feeling the same gratitude and concern for learning that the exact same thing is happening in their own back yard? ...the thought of rising taxes??--can‘t say I don‘t understand. But still......Why is it that whenever Suzie Valentine finds herself strung out on extra strength Tylenols, it becomes a phenomenon of utter importance requiring 2 & 3 part shows...however...when Shaniqua, cousin Crystal Aunts Claudine, Wanda and Florence gets caught up in a struggle to keep a generation of fatherless children off of crack and from suicide, such a catastrophic event warrants absolutely nada--not even a two second sound bite, not a hint, no attention AT ALL?? Yes lord...Oprah's big butt, country cornbread, buckwheat, sloot footed behind...has indeed forgotten allllll her roots. Cracker Creahole Oreo, I agree. But I also agree partly with Moonsigns: what makes 50 Cents--of all people--think he can talk? Can't he read?: Pimping black women out on national T.V. falls squarely in line with the sexist racist views of middle class white men . How's he any different??? |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 2224
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 05:14 pm: |
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Thank you Tonya.
Regarding the video hoes, I believe that's a career choice those women make of their own volition. Ain't nobody forcing them to do that shit. And it's not as if 50 is the only person they flock around.
And it's not as if any of the kissy ass celebrities that routinely appear on Oprah's show or any of her flunkies (Gayle, the faggy decorator, Dr. Corpse Bride, etc.) are going to comment about what's really going on. |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 71
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CYNIQUE said: But I agree with Mzuri that Oprah is full of herself. Or am I surprised that Moonie likes "O" because she is a typical representative of Oprah's core audience. As for "Latina_W", that emerging authority on everything black, she needs to restrict her comments to whether tacos are more fattening than burritos.
Latina_WI replies: Firstly, I didn't claim to be an 'emerging authroity on everything black'. I am just intrested in what is going on with black people in america, as I am allowed to sign up for an account I am free to express an opinion on what is posted here.
Also, where some of my family originate in the latin their home dish is not 'taco or burritos'. I don't understand the need for your hostility or your racism. Very hypocritical and VERY sad. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 5890
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 05:54 pm: |
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Yes, I'm a racist. Isn't every one? I'm sure you are. Latinos are very clannish, always thinking they're better than blacks. Do you visit Hispanic sites or are you just curious about blacks, la loca muchacha? |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 06:03 pm: |
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It's official. Oprah's an irritating oreo and Fifty-cents a thug-ass mofo. Put them both together and they spell Fidoprah; add em together and the equal 2 rich bitches. |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 73
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 06:10 pm: |
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Latinos are clannish in the same sense that african-americans can be I suppose, latinos are also very proud which can come across as being defensive or looking down on other cultures. I am not like that, I don't think I am better than any blacks at all (I am only a quarter latin, my family hail from west indies too and though that side has some racial mixing of course I am not going to look down on other black people). Anyways, I am often perceieved as black as this is what I say I am to people.
I don't know what your experience of latin people has been but I think you are grouping them together unfairly and generalising them. The same thing happened to black people and I don't think it will help us as a community if we are hypocritical in our stance and also stereotype other groups. I judge people based on individuality and not on their racial make up. I think this is failing in a lot of people which is why we have racism and prejudice.
I did visit two hispanic sites too, and I had the same problem with some african-americans who also visited the sites. Seemed to think I thought I was better when they didn't even know me! I always thought latinos and african-americans in the US got along.
And no I am not racist. Nor am I crazy.
Hope that clears it up cynique. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 06:22 pm: |
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Whatever. Yawn. |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 06:38 pm: |
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^^^You would be yawning less if you weren't so rude and felt the need to try and offend me with nasty remarks.
Then I wouldn't have to explain myself...lol.
*roll eyes* |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 06:57 pm: |
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If you're gonna be a regular on this board, la loca muchacha, get used to the idea that all is not sweetness and light here. If you don't like my rudeness, guess what? That's too bad. zzzzzzzzzz |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 2226
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Latina Wi - I'm here to tell you that Cynique is never rude. She is highly intelligent, she has a very rosey personality and she is much loved by the rest of us. You could learn a lot from her. You need to recognize and respect!
This is for you Ms. Cynique
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Cynique
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Post Number: 5896
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 07:41 pm: |
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Cut it out, Mzuri. You're ruining my image! Jeeze. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 09:10 pm: |
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Mzuri:
My bad...he aint dumb, he's ignorant! Better? |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, December 01, 2006 - 09:42 pm: |
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No. And if you're trying to defend Oprah it's not working. LOL! |
Renata
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Latina_wi, many blacks and latinos get along in the US fine, but not all of them. Basically just like everyone else. |
Nels
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50 Cent is an idiot. Money does not make the man.
And Oprah is lost. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 04:31 am: |
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Mzuri: To call one ignorant is not to support the other...i dont think she is an oreo. the fact of the matter is, Oprah, in my opinion, has changed very little. In the beginning, she tried to out Donahue Donahue, and she did...but she has always been mainstream, sentimental, liberal...she has always been an elitist; at first she was a striver, and not she had accomplished her goals in a big way...but none of this is incompatible with being black...part of the problem is, only poor blacks are authentic...and this is a fallacy... |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 07:52 am: |
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Well, to call one anything doesn't make it so. I disagree with the negative comments made against Fiddy - I happen to think he's brilliant. You don't go from being a street hustler to being one of the highest paid entertainers in the world otherwise. And it didn't take him very long. I haven't followed his career, but I've witnessed him doing interviews and he's not an ignorant dumb-dumb. He's very well spoken, witty and engaging. He's also a damn good actor. I think he's only just scratched the surface of his full potential. In my opinion.
As to Oprah, some people worship the water that she thinks she walks on, and some people think she's mud. Again, I commend her philanthropic contributions, I think she's done some wonderful things. But money doesn't buy class and style, of which she has neither. Obviously she is more "refined" than earlier in her career but that is a natural life progression - most people improve with age. My main beef with Oprah is that every time I watch her show she's trying to pimp some product. Bras, jeans, books, people, movies, credit cards, and all sorts of useless garbage (be sure to catch her Christmas show where she tells her viewers about all the things they just can't live without). And for those and other reasons I find the Oreo comment fitting. To a tee.
But I'm not into changing anyone's mind. How one feels and what one thinks is entirely up to the individual person. So you can hate on Fiddy if you want to. |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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CYNIQUE said: If you're gonna be a regular on this board, la loca muchacha, get used to the idea that all is not sweetness and light here. If you don't like my rudeness, guess what? That's too bad. zzzzzzzzzz
LATINA_WI replies: Lol, my only problem is that you feel the need to be rude to someone because they have 'Latina' in their screen name. I wouldn't have cared if you were being rude to me if I had made a dismissive or offensive comment about one of your posts. But you were rude to me (out of the blue, and for no real reason) because of the 'latina' thing.
Sort out your issues love!
MZURI said: Latina Wi - I'm here to tell you that Cynique is never rude. She is highly intelligent, she has a very rosey personality and she is much loved by the rest of us. You could learn a lot from her. You need to recognize and respect!
LATINA WI replies: Quite honestly I do not give a shit what people think about me on the internet. I do not know them and they do not know me. I am just replying to some anonnymous debates that are on an internet forum.
What, do I have to learn from cynique mzuri? Because I believe it is NOTHING. I do not know her and just to reply to posts she chooses to make. And if she has no respect for what I post I am going to grant her the same gratitude, as juelvinile as that may be. I don't see why you think I owe her anything when she hasn't done anything for me.
Peace
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Cynique
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Oh put a sock in it and develop a sense of humor,Latin_Wi. We all on here callin each other niggas and bitches and fags and you're whining about my teasing you about being Latina. Just take it in your stride and keep on truckin, like everybody else on this site does. Enough of the siloquies and lectures. |
Yukio
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Mzuri: I haven't said anything negative about him....just that he is ignorant, that is doesn't know what he's taking about...that is just a fact.
I have followed his career. He, like any recording artist, had taken advantage of the market...people in hip hop were tired of rappers singing about love...so ends Ja-Rule's rule. The same thing happen when DMX came out...he filled in a gap...none of this is brilliance. In fact, 50's celebrity is waning...snoop, Jay-Z, and others have brought back that mix of "refined" smoothe hip hop...and this too will run its course.
At any rate, and this was my point from the beginning, intellect or expertise in one field doesn't necessarily translate into others...
you started this thread about what 50 has to say about Oprah...his success in the music industry doesn't give his comments any relevance or merit. He has an opinion, and he has given it but it has little substance.
so in other words, being an oreo is being a capitalist? NO! Oreo, as I understand it at least, is being black on the outside and white on the inside....but what does it mean to be black in the first place and then what does it mean to be white...this is why his comment have no substance...you call it hate, and I call it logic... |
Mzuri
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LATINA WITCH - Why are you asking me questions? Do you feel that I owe you an explanation? I have already told you once that you need to recognize and respect. What is it about that, that you cannot comprehend? Cynique could do a lot for you if you would shut up and pay a-fuckin-tention. One thing you might could learn from Cynique is how to live a long life (these days just that one seemingly simple accomplishment isn't so common anymore). And how to acquire knowledge and wisdom while attaining that longevity. Anyway, school's out now. You're on your own. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 - 01:29 pm: |
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Y - I can't translate what Fiddy meant by his Oreo comment. I can only state what I think is meant by calling Oprah an Oreo. I don't know if you heard Oprah say something to the effect of the following: WHITE PEOPLE (OR A SPECIFIC WHITE PERSON) DON'T THINK OF ME AS A BLACK PERSON. She said that many many years ago. And over the years, I feel that Oprah has come to believe of herself as not really being Black.
What does it mean to really be Black? For one, it means not being entitled to the same rights and privileges as white people, as she so rudely experienced when she was refused entree into the Paris Hermes store. Yup, she experienced a BLACKOUT and as I'm sure you witnessed, she didn't handle it very well.
I can only go by what I observe. As Tonya stated in a previous rant, Oprah hasn't really done SHIT for the BLACK community. Sure she's done some charitable giving, she even built some new homes in New Orleans. She's given scholarships, and built schools over in Africa and she shows up at public events and tries her damndest to say something relevant.
But if you watch her show on a regular basis (or read her magazine), you have to ask yourself what has she really done - something really meaningful - for the Black community. Other than to set yet another example of how to be a Hollywood self-absorbed, pampered, I-feed-my-dogs-caviar, wannabe chi-chi poo poo, nouvelle riche WHITE PERSON??? |
Lil_ze
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50 cent is a garbage rapper-BUT you HAVE to respect the fact that this guy came from having ZERO, in a poor enviorment, to being a VERY popular and wealthy pop icon.
the industry (entertainment) is a hustle. sure 50 talks alot of nonsense, but is 50 talking nonsense on a record anymore foolish than a PHONY man-hating, fake do-gooder like oprah winfrey.
oprah winfrey has no children and she never will because she is a man-hating (probably lesbian) disgusting fat phony PIG.
i like 50 cent as a personality, not so much as an artist (although before he got "signed", he was the hottest NIGGA-yes i said it, in NYC).
i just waiting for J-HOOD'S-TALES FROM THE HOOD, ALBUM to drop.
this dude (j-hood) is straight fire).
F*CK OPRAH WINFREY!!!!!!!!!!
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Yukio
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Mzuri:
believing that people see you as a human being first rather than a black person is not necessarily identifying oneself with being white. now, i think that comment she made is problematic for another reason...If i was her I would ask, well why dont they see me as a black person? Is there something wrong w/being black? But perhaps she does want to go that far or perhaps being black is negative to her, but again...that still is not being white, at least as I see it.
in your shopping list of ostentations, you added white at the end...but is it possible for a black person to behave that way w/o being considered white?
there is a very old class of black folk [some descendants of free negroes], quite faired skinned, well educated, wealthy [that is generations of wealth], and earnest about not being mistaken for a white person...these people are not about being white but about class, prestige, etc...and do not confuse it w/being white...this is what Oprah strives for. ironically, he money is too new and none or at least very few of these elite black folk have the wealth that she has...it was never really about wealth, but deportment and how you spent your leisure time, etc... |
Latina_wi
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CYNIQUE said: Oh put a sock in it and develop a sense of humor,Latin_Wi. We all on here callin each other niggas and bitches and fags and you're whining about my teasing you about being Latina. Just take it in your stride and keep on truckin, like everybody else on this site does. Enough of the siloquies and lectures
Did you not read the part where I said I didn't give a shit.....?
MZURI said: LATINA WITCH - Why are you asking me questions? Do you feel that I owe you an explanation? I have already told you once that you need to recognize and respect. What is it about that, that you cannot comprehend? Cynique could do a lot for you if you would shut up and pay a-fuckin-tention.
Again, I don't give a shit about dumb acatas and who they feel I have to 'recognise' or 'respect' so shut your noise.
I like this whole being mean thing by the way. I hate pretending I ain't a bitch.
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Mzuri
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Whatever Latina Bitch. If you don't want to recognize and respect your elders, then so be it. Just quit your tired whiney, snivelling, snot-nosed, poopy-pants rants and stop trying to bore us all to fucking death. Cynique and I have at least 50 more good years left in us. |
Cynique
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Don't sweat it, Mzuri. If this troll is a Latina, I'm the Queen of England. It doesn't take much to make these imposters slip out of character. Or am I looking for the respect or admiration of this ditzy pest. Makes me no nevermind. In 2 words:who cares?? |
Mzuri
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Yes Ma'am |
Doberman23
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lil ze are you crazy? 50 cents sucks as a rapper. with eminems clout (at eminems highest popularity peak) and dr. dre producing ... they could have gotten anybody from off of the street and they would have sold a bunch of cd's. no one has to respect that idiot, he is more popular for survivng being shot than what he is for any of his songs. you can like whoever you want to like, that's your perogative ... but on the real. these rappers as of late are just regurgitating each others stories j-hood want say anything that young jeezy, sheek, cassidy, styles p or any of the rest of them has said. they are all limited and that's why they don't reach nelly, eminem, jay-z, or kanye level. comparing any rapper ... especially these fake ass gangsta rappers to oprah is just foolish. |
Nels
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Why has Latina_wi gotten under you folk's skin? |
Cynique
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Well, cuz if white people can be racist, I thought I'd see how it felt to be prejudiced against someone from another ethnic group. And it felt kinda good. It was cathartic. Try it some time, ol buddy. Oh, I forgot. You probably already have since you don't like jews. |
Serenasailor
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I am not going to sit here like all of you and tear down Oprah. I don't like alot of the things that she does however, I can't completely "trash the woman". Heres why. Oprah was another one who came from nothing, to become one of the biggest icons in American history. She did it off of hard work and dedication and we should all be so lucky.
She also did it without the help of any man white, or black. She did it on her own. Oprah is just appealing to the ppl that made her famous. Middle-class to upper middle-class white ppl. And if you guys were in that business you would have to do the same.
I mean lets get serious. Do you think that white ppl on any given day would listen to anything that a 300 Ibs, dark-skinned, BW, from Mississippi would have to say??? She would have to be pretty clever and think up ways to get white ppl's attention. That is why I admire the woman.
Also, it seems like Black ppl have a problem with a successful black woman who acquires success without the help of a man. Just my observation. I wonder why that is??
As for Mr. 50 cent. He is an idiot. Just like all of you other rappers who barely finished the 5th grade. If you all notice 50 cent is not one of the most well-read, and articulate guys out there. So whatever he says I would take with a "grain of salt". And if anybody is a sell-out it is him and all of those other rappers who made success off of disrespecting and degrading BW.
Also, 50 cents whole career was founded off a "white" rapper who made a hit off of saying that BW were the "scum of the earth" and didn't deserve to be loved and respected. Now, who's the SELL-OUT!!!
Oprah is just appealing to her "base". The same way George Bush appeals to his "base". Or any other white public figure. And it is middle class white women. These are the ppl that made her famous. Not us. We were to busy looking at B.E.T. And let's be honest if any of you had the money that Oprah did (which you don't) wouldn't you cow-tow to the ppl that helped you acquire that wealth?? |
Cynique
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Nobody can really discredit what you say, Serenasailor. Oprah certainly deserves her props, but the trade-off for being a big superstar celebrity is that envious people take pot shots at you. It comes with the territory of being famous. Oprah is so steeped in herself that at this point she probably tunes out all of the flack black folks give her. As you imply, she doesn't need their approval. |
Nels
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Yukio --
"Is there something wrong w/being black?"
IMO, being black is not the problem. Being "nigga" black might be, as in "ignant". As in the Katrina perception, as advertised to the entire "world".
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Tonya
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Excellent post, Serenasailor! Even though I'm not feeling Oprah at all right now, I can't say that I don't agree with what you said.
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Abm
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Oprah has been on TV 5 of 7 days a week for over 20 YEARS advising people about how they should/shouldn't live their lives. She SHOULD be a target of some criticism.
Oprah has earned over a billion bucks via millions of foks worshiping her. Well. The PRICE of that worship is there being millions who reject and loathe her. I'm SURE she knows and accept (if not even slightly REVEL in) the ambivalence about her. |
Ntfs_encryption
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I’ve been reading the posts in this thread and I initially decided not to write a comment. But I decided to make a statement and move on. First of all, Black women are faced with issues and problems that other races and ethnicities do not have to deal with. I’m very aware of this. That is why I will always take time to complement or praise a black woman who has defied and defeated the ugly negative stereotypes and race/gender casts. Even though I am totally opposed to Condi Rice’s politics, I greatly respect what she has achieved. She is the most powerful and influential black woman in world history. And although I do not watch nor do I have any personal use for Oprah, I greatly respect and admire where this woman has come from and what she has achieved. How many black women have faced the cultural racism and sexism that she did and have become a major influential and financially succesful national icon? It’s amazing!
That said, it really perplexes me to read this cynical carping and vicious denunciations of this woman. I’ve previously read accusations of her of being gay, an Oreo, a sell out and other silly poignant racist shots. It really pisses me off to see blacks (particularly black women) denigrate another black woman who has attempted to do so much for so many people. She is not perfect, but she has done a number of things that deserve praise rather than vindictive slander.
I have much respect for Oprah because of her dedication to establishing venues that support and encourage education. Through her private charity, she created The Oprah Winfrey Foundation and has awarded hundreds of grants to organizations that support the education and empowerment of women, children and families in the US and around the world. Through her various philanthropic contributions, she has donated millions of dollars toward providing a better education for students who have academic merit but no means to pay for their education. She also has developed schools to educate thousands of children internationally. She also created "The Oprah Winfrey Scholars Program," which gives scholarships to students determined to use their education to give back to their communities in the United States and abroad.
Some of you may recall (although it doesn’t sound like it) in 2002, The Oprah Winfrey Foundation expanded its global humanitarian efforts with her Christmas Kindness South Africa 2002. She traveled to South Africa and visited African orphanages and rural schools where she provided 50,000 children with gifts of food, clothing, athletic shoes, school supplies, books and toys. Sixty-three rural schools received libraries and teacher education. She also announced a partnership with South Africa's Ministry of Education to build the "Oprah Winfrey Leadership Academy for Girls " (which is scheduled to open next year).
About ten years ago, in an episode of her show, she encouraged viewers to use their lives to make a difference in the lives of others, which led to the creation of the public charity Oprah's Angel Network. The OAN has raised more than $50 million, with 100% of audience donations going to non-profit organizations across the globe. As a result, the OAN has helped establish scholarships and schools, support women's shelters and build youth centers and homes. I could go on and on because she has done many, many other things but I feel this is enough to shed some light on what she has done.
Her support base, as we all know, is solid white middle class and female. This seems to un-nerve a number of Negroes since she is not a purveyor of Khalid Muhammad style race baiting and victimization/entitlement advocacy. And for those of you who detest Oprah, I have no idea what you want her to do to win your stamp of approval. I really don’t. And as I stated before, I do not relate nor have any interest in her show, her magazine, her hard line pro-woman antics or her book club. But I will not indulge in hostile and groundless name calling or denunciations of a highly successful black woman who came from such humble and impoverished beginnings and has done so much and contributed to so many.
And as far as 50 Cents is concerned, I cannot help but laugh when someone attempts to defend or praise this genetic project gone astray as a result of the DNA cloning of a toilet bowl ring. This purveyor and mega icon of the ten brain cell black trash culture, has done nothing other than promote the most destructive negative images of black people with his farcical glorification of macho bad-ass criminal street thuggery, projection of black women as gyrating mindless skanks and street walking ho’s and the celebration of bling-bling/diamond grill studded status driven black male buffoonery. E’nuff said………..
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Abm
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Ntfs,
Perhaps I am misinterpeting what you're saying. But you appear to be saying that Condi's and Oprah's achievements should elevate them above criticism and reproach.
I would agree most of the personal criticism of Condi is unfair. But one could persuasively argue that she flatout FAILED as National Security Advisor and that failure resulted in 911.
And Oprah has OFTEN made a very public spectacle of her personal life, including her ESPECIALLY chummy relationship with Gayle. Oprah has (perhaps unintentionally) courted much of the criticism she's received. |
Moonsigns
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CYNIQUE:
"Or am I surprised that Moonie likes "O" because she is a typical representative of Oprah's core audience."
MOONSIGNS:
Cynique, I like Oprah for the same reasons I like you. You, like Oprah, are intelligent, witty, extremely confident, passionate and unapologetic regarding your opinion(s).
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Mzuri
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NTFS - You've been around here long enough to know that some of us just don't like Oprah. While we commend her philanthropic contributions - which she can easily afford since she's a billionairess - some of us think she is a flake. Just one example of her flakiness which I've described before but will do so again just for you - the woman hawks and pimps a bunch of useless crap to her audience (most notably during her Christmas must-haves show) and then on a subsequent program she derides the "little people" for being in debt. She's just so fucking clueless it's unreal.
Or she'll have that faggy decorator on to pimp his crappy wares - and she ooohs and aaahs and fawns over his garbage and says something like "Look at these cute little pillows (that aren't even large enough to lay your head upon) and they're so affordable too" but they are $75.00. Each. Who of us would spend $75.00 on a friggen decorative pillow? That's just a waste!
Instead of enlightening the "little people" with useful and practical advice, she's usually promoting some movie, perfume, book or other product that nobody really needs. I don't know of her ever having any guests on her show that provide realistic, everyday advice for everyday people. A guest that doesn't suggest that you should go out and waste your hard-earned money on some useless object.
Wake up and smell the coffee - she's not all that she's cracked up to be. But you can keep singing her praises if you want to. |
Cynique
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Oh. OK. All is forgiven, Moonie. heh-heh. |
Cynique
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I agree, Mzuri. Oprah is no longer in touch with ordinary people who can't afford designer things. She gives those expensive make-overs that do little more than inspire the envy of her female audiences. Instead, she should be emphasizing how the average women can give herself a thrifty make-over by just exercising a little creativity and by knowing how and where to shop. |
Yvettep
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Oprah may be out of touch. But I do not find it useful to speak of what she "should" be doing. She should be doing whatever she deems appropriate/profitable/enjoyable, etc. I think that the things you mention should be done by someone. This, I think, would be a hugely beneficial edutainment "product" filling a market that is currently being unfilled. Someone with a similar personality, drive and charisma as O could work towards filling that market. That kind of competition might even spur O to take a different tack with her own presentation.
But as far as what she should or should not do: she is not a tax-payer supported common utility or something.
PS: And stop frontin' Cynique: I still say you are O on the DL. LOL |
Cynique
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No doubt about it, Yvette. Since Oprah made it on her own, she is obligated to no one, and she can do as she damned well pleases.
Me, Oprah? If I was, I'd be able to nobly rise above the fray instead of immersing myself in it, feeding off of the the rancor of my detractors. |
Edenson
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Oprah doesn't need to do anything. She can obvioulsy fawn over a $75 pillow because according to this board, ya'll don't watch her show, which excludes the poor right there. Middle to upper class white women watch her show, and they can obviously afford it. If you haven't noticed Oprah's show can help everyone. From weight loss, which a lot of black women could use. Money issues, I know a lot of black people in debt personally. And giving back and becoming something of yourself. When she bought that black woman that house, she told all of those kids, they must go to college. Her school in Africa is for girls who have the potential to change their country, and maybe even the world. She is one woman, who has to maintain an audience on a daily basis in the ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY. I'll watch tavis and farra-CON on c-span if I want to see blacks debating over shit they ain't never gonna do. If ya'll gonna get on anyone, get on Montell. Now that nigga don't do nothing but try to get weed legalized and talk to a white lady who sees dead people all day.
I know you all think I'm new but I'm not. I had to lay low for a while because Kola blocked me from the site for some unknown reason... (bitch, I'm baaack)... I haven't been on in maybe a year or so, and the same ol' people are till on here, so to me, it doesn't seem like any of you are doing anything to help black people as whole.... Or atleast not on an Oprah level. Look at yoursef, and tell me what have you done but sit on your ass on a computer for the last year and argued over the same shit, over and over. Do something with yourselves. I'm talkin to everyone on here, just in case you didn't catch that... |
Mzuri
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Edenson,
Your putdowns are unwarranted. Most people who post here do so while they are at work. Some of us are self-employed and take time to post while working on other projects. No one just posts to this forum because they don't have a life or because they have nothing else to do.
Just because we're not all billionaires doesn't mean we can't hate on Oprah. If you read any of the previous comments, we all think she does a fine job at being charitable. As well she should. But she's out of touch with reality. She has forgotten from whence she came.
And BTW - the point about the pillow wasn't that she was fawning over it, the point is that she is pimping it to her audience. And no, you're wrong - most people won't waste their money on that type of useless object. Rich people got that way by being practical. Not stupid.
What have I done lately to help the community? I typically make financial contributions. The last one I made was to Comic Relief 2006. What about you?
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Ntfs_encryption
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I was over a friend's house today helping her install a new video card, hard drive and reconfigure her OS. Anyway, Oprah came on and I watched her show entire while rebuilding my friends computer. It was a very interesting show with Will Smith who discussed his role as Chris Gardner, a black man who lived homeless (now he's millionaire) in the streets with his small son. As I previously stated before, I'm not an Oprahette and I don't watch her show. But I am very glad I watched this particular program. It was a very moving show about a black man who refused to abandon his son and relinquish his dream of a better life. I was very happy to see her host a show that dealt with the trials and tribulations of a homeless black man and his refusal to abandon his dream and hopes.
I don't know if I will see the movie when it comes out but I was very happy to see this articulate and very successful professional black man overcome incredible odds. One thing Chris Gardner said that I really liked was, "I wanted to break from the history of black men abandoning their children (sic)". I really appreciated him saying that. The staggering number of black men who refuse to acknowledge or support their children is having a devastating impact on the black American family. This ongoing pandemic problem can never be over stated! It was a very nice show and I was glad I watched it. I really appreciated this brother refusing to be one of those reckless negligent statistics and for keeping his son throughout those extremely harsh times.
It was the first time I have watched her show from beginning to end since the middle 1990's. She also promoted his book which sounds like a good read. Since I have said something positive about Oprah (everything I said previously in this thread still stands and cannot be undone by any about of bellicose denunciations by her detractors and "yes", I am very aware she is not perfect), I know this post is going to inflame and provoke the Oprah haters to more hysteria, but I thought this particular show was needed and well done. And again, I don't watch her show with any regularity nor am I a fan of hers, but I will not engage in petty name calling and carping of this extremely successful black woman. Sorry, but I can't bring myself to support all the negativity and denigration of this woman that is rampant on this board. You all know my mantra, we can be civil and agree to disagree and move on.....
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Cynique
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Hey Edenson! Long time no hear from. And don't flatter yourself into thinking that you, personally, were blocked from coming here. It was probably because the board was experiencing technical difficulties and no one was able to log on. Sooo, what are ya doin for yourself, babe? Working in the mailroom at Harpo studios? LOL |
Yvettep
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To tell the truth, I think much of the hyping of expensive items is not meant to actually sell those specific things, but to "sell" the idea of fully participating in consumer culture--That is, selling the idea of buying something. The expensiveness and out-of-reachness of some of thee items is, to me, somewhat akin to pornography: It is titalating (spl?) in some respects to see such extravagance. So, kinda "consumer porn."
I think it is the same kind of psychology that is attempting to be invoked in malls, catalogs, and display windows.
As for O, she's OK with me. I hope one of her new reality show folks handing out money shows up at my front door! LOL |
Cynique
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Who among us would not be generous and philanthropic and socially-conscious if we had a billion dollars to play with? Oprah says it makes her feel good, - gives her a rush to do things to change people's lives for the better. What she didn't say is how empowering this is, because it's like playing God, like establishing monuments to one's self. I am reluctant to lavish praise on Oprah, but nobody's perfect and I do acknowledge that good causes benefit from her need for self-gratification. Yet, to me, the true test of a charitable person is when one who has very little shares it with one who has even less, never giving thought to the possibly of this being a tax write-off.
BTW, Yvette, that was a good anaylsis of the merchandizing Oprah does on her show. |
Renata
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Maybe she should do what most billionaires do and live in seclusion while keeping in mind that she should make more money, and ignore everyone else. |
Cynique
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Is that what most billionaires do?? I don't think so. And, as Yvette reminded in another post, nobody has a right to tell Oprah what she should do. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"And, as Yvette reminded in another post, nobody has a right to tell Oprah what she should do."
Thank you...!!! |
Abm
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Ntfs,
Well no, ACTUALLY foks have EVERY right to tell Oprah what she should do. And she has EVERY right to ignore them or tell them to fuhk off.
Because THIS, My Brotha, is America!!! |
Yvettep
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I think what I said was that talking about what O "should" do was non-productive--especially since it is not our money and none of us has any personal power over her decision-making process. People do and will continue to have and voice opinions about it (e.g., it is their "right").
Really, in general I think to talk about what private citizens should and should not do with their money is a waste of time. There are any number of folks in this world lower on the SES food chain than any of us who could point out the ways that we do not put our own money to good use or how we could do better.
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Abm
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Yvettep,
You actually don't believe Oprah's influenced by public perceptions of what she should and shouldn't do?
I do.
For example, I think her annual giveaway shows are a direct result of her attempting to maintain and boost goodwill with her fans.
Yes, Oprah's a private citizen. And she can (within America laws) do anydayam thing she wants to do with her money. But she's MADE that money via her being a very PUBLIC figure.
And when you make your bones hustling your advice, charm and charisma before MILLIONS of foks DAILY, you should accept that foks deserve to be able to express their opinions about what you do...just as Oprah has for 20 years quite profitably expressed HER opinions about how the rest of US should think and live. |
Cynique
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Yvette, I agree with you, naturally. And I would add that in the course of exercising their free speech, people might think in terms of wishing what Oprah would do, instead of advising what she should do. Oprah has transcended the status of being obligated to anybody. She's financially secure and people are notoriously loyal to their idols. The only way she could fall from grace would be to run up and down the stage, yelling "nigger" or "honkey". She could probably even get away with murdering Steadman. |
Yvettep
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You actually don't believe Oprah's influenced by public perceptions of what she should and shouldn't do?
What makes you think I believe this? If folks want to organize and boycott or perform some other collective action to influence O's choices re: her money, then that would have great chances of changing her practices. Do I think she is a good target for such actions? I would be baffled if we Black folks used our limited collective clout for such a purpose, and I personally would not participate.
I think a far wiser collective movement would be for us relatively privileged Black folks to mobilize to transform our own spending, saving and philanthropic actions.
In the end, I think--as I have also mentioned--that O would be likely to change her habits if a new public persona came on the scene who was as charismatic and broadly appealing as O, but used her/his platform for other purposes.
In the end, though, I think much of the O-bashing is an interesting but unfortunate form of intra-racial class-bashing. We admonish low-income people to rise; We shoot down those of us who rise too far, too fast or--in our opinions--do not take enough of "us" with them.
And BTW, no one is obligated to live their life in any way that O suggests. Just do not watch or buy her mag if you do not agree.
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Abm
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Yvettep,
There are myriad OTHER things foks waste there time on. Blowing your time ragging on Oprah is no more improvident than blowing it ragging about O.J., Beyonce, etc.
And, yes, given what Oprah does, I think she's a RIPE target for criticism. I don't play that intra-racial crap. NOBODY - rich, poor, famous or anonymous - is above reproach. It ain't got a dayamthing to do with her color or gender.
For 20 years, she's hosted and hocked man-bashing, kooky pop psychology and self-help schemes, celebrity idolatry, fallacious books, unproven claims of myriad "down low" homosexual Black men, etc. Hell. She DESERVES to catch some grief.
Now. I personally am no more mad at and critical of Oprah than I am of McDonald's, hip-hop artists, movie producers or any of the other purveyor of vacuous popular fluff. |
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