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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 11:50 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Publicity Hound Jessie Jackson, of Hymietown fame, is trying to rehabilitate Cosmo "He's a Nigger" Kramer.

How pitiful.

Maybe Sienfeld promised Jesse a cut of those DVD sales that have been jeopardized by his pal.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 11:56 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

JJ is a publicity hound? That's the first I've heard of that! Anyway KKKramer should have sought out Billy Graham or some religious figure. JJ has too much dirty laundry to cleanse anyone else of their sins.

(I think I'm starting to sound like my mentor Cynique :-))
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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 11:57 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Surely you, chrishayden, are not criticizing our fearless leader Jesse Jackson? Shades of Juan Williams. Just goes to show that you think you're white.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 12:51 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You two clowns must think you're the Supremes.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 02:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

We are supreme to a forked-tongue Bozo like you, crissyboy.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 02:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"JJ is a publicity hound? That's the first I've heard of that!"

Me too! He's a very humble, introspective and reserved man. He's the ultimate icon of truthfulness and honor.

"Anyway KKKramer should have sought out Billy Graham or some religious figure."

Yep! How about Rev Ike?

"JJ has too much dirty laundry to cleanse anyone else of their sins."

Naw! Not bro Jesse...?? Say it ain't so! Michelle Melkin, Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity would only start a rumor like that. Who could be more honest, forthright and morally clean then bro Jesse? Hey, the mans a reverend! He can't be duplicitous or misleading....never!




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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 03:20 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

with all the issues and concerns that black people have to face and take care of, our civil rights representatives needn't even bother with this idiot. he said what he said, it's not the first time that he spoke like that nor will it be his last, 80% of white americans talk like that behind closed doors, does that mean that someone is going to talk to 80% of the assheads who talk that way? screw kramer, last time i checked things are still jacked up in louisiana, battles have to choosen correctly, and this one isn't even worth shadow boxing with.
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Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 10:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"JJ is a publicity hound? That's the first I've heard of that!"

Hell. He's also the idiot who came up with the illogical misnomer of a term "African American", which is nothing more than a (power grab) tool for the diehard One Droppists (i.e., the radically insane "black" supporters of "One Drop Rule" fame). And so it goes.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 07:54 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nel,

What should Americans who have at some African lineage call themselves?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 08:49 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

JJ did not come up with the term African American...I have seen that term used since before the CRM. And african american, at least understood in the US sense, has less to do with "the one drop rule" but more to do with cultural group identity.

The one drop rule is an imposition from outside, whereas the embrace of African American as a group descriptor is a political tactic embracing both our history and with Africa and its diaspora.

Throughout this country's history, it has often treated Africans and West Indians better than African Americans. The reverse, of course, is true when we are expatriates in Europe, especially France.

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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 12:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jessie did push the term African American--I don't know if he came up with it.

I prefer Black, but if all these white folks can call themselves Irish and German and Italian and have never been anywhere near those countries, why not?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 02:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well CH, thats my point. when hyphenated europeans describe themselves, there is very little scrutiny. idenity nomenclature is implicitly dubious.

As an African who she is, and she will layout, if willing, a very layered answer including nation, tribe, religious group, etc....

I prefer african american, because it connotes the both my country of birth and my heritage. From a continental perspective, however, african american represents blacks born in the America.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 03:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

From waay way back in the 1900s "race" men, as activists were called then, often used the term "Afro-American". In a press conference Jesse kinda anointed the word "African-American", making it moreorless official, and it thereafter became the accepted usuage, particularly in the media. The term African-American to me is an affectation, but it also a convenient way of identifying someone. It has been my observation that when a light-skinned person uses the term "black" in referring to a dark-skinned person, a subtle reaction still occurs. I don't have a problem with the term "people of color".
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 03:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It has been my observation that when a light-skinned person uses the term "black" in referring to a dark-skinned person, a subtle reaction still occurs.

<<I seen no such thing. You ever seen such a reaction when white people do it?

No, you are remembering how it used to be before the Black is Beautiful movement--when Black folks would fight if somebody called them Black.

The script has flipped. Of course when you zone out and believe you are sneaking into a speakeasy to listen to Satchmo--as you are wont to do--it is easy to fall into arcane ways of thought.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 05:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, shut up chrishayden. If you weren't so behind the times, you'd know the "black is beautiful" concept has fallen out of favor as the women on this board will tell you. If I, as a light-skinned woman, point to a dark skin woman and refer to her as that "black" woman, there's a possibility that the negative undertones of the omnipresent colorism will kick in. What do you think kola boof was always ranting about?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 07:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Damn....yall must have some hard ass knife weilding street bitches in Chicago. Black women who don't like light skinned women calling them "black"? That's hardcore....and kinda silly, really. Would they rather we call them Chinese?

I've never seen such a thing, either, Chris. I've always called black women BLACK. If they had a problem with it, they didn't show it.
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Who said anything about "knife-wielding street bitches", renatasshole? But your distortion of what I said is typical of somebody like you who seems to forgot how you were always the in the chorus, backing up kola's claim of colorism. I distinctly said "subtle reaction" and, in the exclusive company where everybody is an "African-American", the word "black", like "nigger", takes on a different nuance. When one person calls another one "black" in this situation, there is a tendency for black to not be about race but about skin color and some people do not like reference made to their color. This is not something out of the past but something that has happened to me recently. So stay out of adult conversations. Talk about somebody being "silly".
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Yukio --

"JJ did not come up with the term African American..."

Pardon (the -perception- of) my words; it was his passionate plea (to the "white" establishment that they refer to (anyone) of "black" African ancestry as African American) that I was referring to. I'm quite aware of the history of AA practice.

Per: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American

The AA term can be considered correct or incorrect depending on the context in which it is used and applied, particularly with respect to the associations and connotations with which it is paired.

"The one drop rule is an imposition from outside"

Given the wide diversity of those who possess any measurable degree of "black" African ancestry; IMO AA is wholly ill-fitting of the bi-racial and mixed-race contingent that continues to grow at a phenominal rate, thus displacing segments of the so-called AA populus as recognized by the EEOC. As a result, the ODR (though external in its introduction) ursurps the validity of the African diaspora by progressively inferring an increasingly higher degree of inferiority amongst its targets; "black" Americans.

From the perspective of many, AA (is) definitely at the bottom of the ladder.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 09:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It takes a whole lot of attitude (or bitterness or whatever) to have some reaction (enough to be noted can't be very subtle) to being called what you are. So, yeah, I can imagine these people wielding knives.

Did you ever consider that they had a problem with YOU calling them (anything) at all?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 09:59 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The devil calling me anything at all is enough to get me bunched....doesn't even matter what he calls me.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 10:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When you learn how to read with comprehension and to express yourself with relevance and pertinence then come back and state your case, renantasshole.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 10:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ha Ha!
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I comprehend just fine. You need to comprehend that perhaps people are against your snotty attitude and don't turn on you just because you're light skinned.

They're not reacting because a light skinned woman said they're black, they're reacting to your snotty attitude. And it says a lot that you really believe that people are reacting more to your skin color than to you.

Call me what you will, I'm already offended. It doesn't even matter what you call me.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 10:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To get back on topic........

I have friends who are 2nd and 3rd generation Venezuelan, but they refer to themselves as Chinese-American....as well as "peruvian" friends who call themselves Japanese American.....people who have never been close to Asia.

IMO, it's more of having pride in where you're from, whether or not you've been there. It's just that we as a group can't say what COUNTRY we're from and so don't feel any loyalty to any other country.
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 11:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gawd your dumb. There's Japanese people in Peru.

http://www.latinamericalinks.com/japanese_in_Peru.htm

This coupled with some of your other lapses - like being clueless about the CBC proves that you need to get with the program. You really don't have time to sit at your computer to cast lame insults against people who are MUCH smarter than you. You need to read some books or something. Go to night school. Take my advice before it's too late. Do it for the sake of your children.
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Abm --

"What should Americans who have at some African lineage call themselves?"

That's the $64,000 question. So-called "black" America continues to diverge, pretty much by phenotype, regardless of the validity of that argument - i.e., visual perception. Even so, the (percentage) of African lineage is just as important as the lineage assertion itself, absent the “white” American perspective.

The quandary? Since AA is truly a misnomer as it is widely used, how can it be constructively applied when intrinsically it is perceived to apply to an ever-shrinking segment of the "black" U.S. population. The CBC (Congressional Black Caucus) constituency.

Whether right or wrong; regardless of admixture, heritage, ancestry and the like; "skin color" still defines the delineation associated with acceptance vs. rejection. U.S. blacks have long been defined (by white America) as “black”, and not of their own doing. The prickly part is how do you handle those who "do not" fully or even partially embrace AA. E.g., Actress Whoopi Goldberg despises being referred to as AA, despite her strong Negroid phenotype. Where is the(ir) out? In most cases, it doesn't exist. If you're not referred to as AA or black or colored (yes - “coloured” for that matter), then what are you? Many black Americans don't "qualify" (in the perceptive sense) as being truly mixed by phenotype (and appearance in particular), which is the visual American benchmark for identity.

Americans of African Ancestry (AAAs or 3As/Tri-s) is actually a more correct association or affiliation. Given that, to isolate a self-identifying term that is acceptable by the broadest spectrum of “black” Americans requires more than a “buy-in” from those affected. It requires genetic and empirical validity as well. What a tough nut to crack. Coloricans? Colored + Africans. I doubt it. It’s certainly an issue that requires long and thorough healthy debate if the end result is to unite rather than divide.

Since many dark(er)-skinned blacks (regardless of facial, hair, physique, diction and other identifying characteristics) resent being referred to as black, a void seems to exist in the identity chain. For “black” America to “settle” on one alternative identity, the risk of alienating a large(r) portion of the black population outweighs the benefits of attempting to encompass the largest group possible.

Also note that many Mulattos, Quadroons and Octoroons and higher do not consider themselves to be "black" in any sense of the word, though a good segment of them will vigorously recognize the (portion) of their ancestry that is "black" African. Thus, how do you appease them with an alternative identity (in the U.S., that is)?
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 11:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You wouldn't know coherance if you bumped into it in the middle of the road, renatasshole. You have created some silly little scenario in your vapid imagination about bitches throwing knives and you try to justify your asinine assumptions about what precipitated my comments by saying I'm snotty in order to detract from your utter stupidity. What an airhead. Is your little genius still running your household?

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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 10:34 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know this may tear down the entire foundation on which you've based your life Cynique, but dark skinned people are not getting pissed off because a yellow wench reminds them they're black....of such is their awe of your yellow ass. I can PROMISE you your snotty attitude had more to do with it than your yellow ass.

DIMWIT MZURI....my point is that Japanese from Peru...and I know of many and have dated one...find more loyalty in being Japanese than in being Peruvian to the point that they don't even call themselves Peruvian no matter how many years they've lived there. We, not knowing what 'country' we're from, have no loyalty to any country and make a big deal out of whether we're black or African American. If a Japanese person's family has lived in Peru since their GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT grandmother moved there....they still consider themselves JAPANESE.
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 11:55 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Renata,

You think Japanese AMERICANS feel as permanently connected and faithful to Japan as you describe of Japanese Peruvians?
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ABM, it's more about acknowledging where they're from than anything else.

AS CONNECTED.....I'm not sure.

As determined to remove themselves from being Japanese as African Americans are to remove themselves from being African....definitely not.
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Thanks you for saving me the trouble of pointing out how absolutely dense you are, renata. Your own words reveal how you don't know what you're talking about. The more you say, the more you expose how your simple mind works. You distort and concoct in an attempt to reinforce the trumped-up assumptions that are indicative of your pettiness. You, like Kramer, are exposing your true feelings about color. You secretly like the idea of being what you accuse others of; a condescending light-skinned person. If indeed you really are light-skinned. You lie so much about yourself. You're a big joke.
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LOL....believe what you will. If I am dark skinned, I'm SO INTIMIDATED by your yellow ass that you speaking to me at all has me shaking in my knickers and ready to piss....on you.

Get out and meet some real people and be FRIENDLY (gasp!) and civil to them and maybe you'll find that the only person impressed with your yellow skin is YOU.

Get over yourself.
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 01:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"It's just that we as a group can't say what COUNTRY we're from and so don't feel any loyalty to any other country."

Could you expound on this a little more? I'd like to respond but I want to be clear about what exactly it is that you are saying.

"You think Japanese AMERICANS feel as permanently connected and faithful to Japan as you describe of Japanese Peruvians?"

Probably not. Why should they? I can tell you for a fact the Japanese in Japan are fiercely proud about being Japanese. Make no mistake about that. But Americans of Japanese descent are very American (one of the highest rates of interracial marriage) and I have yet to see a very strong nationalistic sentiment (in reference to Japan) in Americans of Japanese descent as a group.

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It's amazing, renatasshole, how you read all of that BS into one sentence I wrote. Says more about you than about me. Get real, dumb-dumb. Now take you fat tinker-bell ass and go play with your imaginary baby and move to the town where you are going to set up an imaginary business with your imaginary husband. Puleeze. ROTFLOL
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 02:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Renata - I realize that you can't help the fact that you're just plain dumb but why in the world are you calling me a dimwit? Evil spirits, baby out of control, can't keep your lies straight - you need to quit wasting the little bit of fuctioning brains that you have left trying to insult me and Cynique.
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LOL....get your blood pressure down. Your only retort is to tell me my life if imaginary? LOL, K. Think what you want. Your outbursts just further prove my point: She didn't even have to notice your skin color to be offended by you. Most people are offended by bitches no matter their skin color.

Just be careful calling black people "black" in public. We're trying our best to keep that shit PRIVATE. We don't want people having "reactions" when you inform them. Poor girl...I bet she was so enjoying her life until the all knowing yellow girl pointed out she was black. And for that alone, she dislikes you (your bitchy attitude having absolutely NOTHING to do with it, of course).

Again: Only YOU think people having an attitude against you is because of your skin color. Nobody's as impressed with it as you are.

NTFS, this is a country peopled by the descendants of immigrants and slaves. Most non-black people can tell you where their family originated, on both sides. Some people will point it out without even being asked. Most of us can't say which African culture is ours. So we don't get the big deal in why an Irish person is so proud of being Irish American, instead of just white.
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 02:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm sorry, I meant WHORE.
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 02:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I apologize to the rest of the posters here......

from now on, these two are officially ignored by me.

I don't always agree with the rest of you, but most of the time, I can at least remain civil with you.
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 02:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Trust me Renata - no one gives a fuck.
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 02:51 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You have no details or particulars about the incident I referred to so you continue to make up a scenario, renatata. What went on at this gathering bears no resemblance to what you have conjured up in your small little mind, but you have to convince yourself that what you think did occur in order to keep from looking like the airhead that you are. LOL. Too bad you don't have any talent or you could be a fiction writer. The stories you've made up about your life are pretty trite.
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 02:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ta-Ta, renatata. Couldn't stand the heat so you're gettin out of the kitchen, huh? LMAO. Go on over to the peanut gallery of pouters populated by that other faint-hearted "Ignorer" who can dish it out but can't take it. heh-heh.
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 03:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ntfs,

If what you describe is true, I can't help wondering whether all the pro-Japan stuff native Japanese (allegely) feel/do is a facade.
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 04:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Renata,

I understand...
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 04:32 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Psst, Mzuri, I guess abm would understand how ol devious, name-calling renatata has the nerve to call herself "civil". BTW, I just love having you as my partner-in-crime, girlfriend. Another one has bitten the dust. We bad! LMAO.
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Posted on Thursday, November 30, 2006 - 05:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ROTFLOL.
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Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 04:13 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Black women who don't like light skinned women calling them 'black'?"

I'm with y'all, I've never heard of such. And I wish Kola was here to defend herself from having her name dragged in the mud.

Btw, Black involves a lot more than color. If they perceived you the wrong way--thinking you were being colorist--maybe they were surprised that someone like you would come at them that way. You are light-skinned, but I can definitely imagine you being much more ethnic looking than most of the dark-skinned people nowadays. So maybe they thought you were tripping.
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Posted on Sunday, December 10, 2006 - 01:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

When is it going to occur to people like you and Renata that just because you haven't heard of something, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. To think that way bespeaks of egocentrism. And all of you kola converts always bitching about the ramifications of colorism shouldn't find what I reported as unusual. You, of course, want to place the blame on me when in fact if people are proud of their color and secure in their skin, when I use the term "black" in terms of race, certain people wouldn't misconstrue this when it is done in the company of lighter-skinned people - something that other people besides me have noticed which is why I mentioned it.

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