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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2917
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 11:51 am: | 
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Finally I can now put the 2004 election behind me. I am glad the Republicans stole the election and made sure a self righteous iditotic prick like you didn't make it into the White House.
What does anybody with the intelligence of a moron do when one makes a public statement and somebody is offended. One explains the statement and apologizes to anyone else who mistakenly thinks they were included.
A real politician, instead of self righteous New England prick, would have been photographed within minutes of the first outcry with a bunch of troops on their way to Iraq, or walking through Walter Reed Hospital with a tear in his eye.
I give up! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 5691
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 03:49 pm: |
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For any of you who are vexed by chrishayden's vagueness, he is probably speaking about Kerry saying something to the effect that the smart, the privileged, and the lucky young men in this country are able to dodge having to risk their lives in Iraq, so this dirty job is left to the poor ol working class stiffs who join the army for lack of better choices available to them. I might add that Karl Rove couldn't have done a better job of damaging the Democrats' chances in the upcoming election. Of course, there is an element of truth in Kerry's observation about who is expendable in this country. But as they say, in war, "truth" is the first casualty. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2929
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 03:55 pm: |
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The man says to these college students "You need to work hard, study etc, else you get stuck in Iraq."
Now, he explains that he was making a dig at Dubya, meaning that he didn't work hard and study and got US stuck in Iraq--I don't know--did he write that beforehand? Did somebody see it? Was it off the cuff?
He's an idiot. Another person who has to be happy is Hillary Clinton--this is not as bad as The Scream by Howard Dean, but he is making it worse by his lack of reaction.
Don't let them make something of it is what I am saying. The stiff did that with the whole Swiftboat controversy--sat back and let it metastasize--he just ain't got it for politics outside the Senate and Massachusetts. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3464
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 04:46 pm: |
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It was stupid what Kerry did, I agree (what is he senile??? He forgot like five words!). But I blame the Democratic Party more. If the Dems would have played their cards right, teamed up and spun it in their direction BEFORE the Republicans had the chance to spin it in theirs, we'd all be talking about how it's another example that, no matter how much they‘ve tried to deny it, the republicans DO plan to “stay the course”. That their tactics have not changed just like their strategy in Iraq is not going to. And etcetera etcetera etcetera. Man. This was a golden opportunity for the Dems, IMO. Had they stuck together and played it right, they could have been the ones exploiting this fiasco, thus hammering the nail in the coffin and bringing the victory home. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 1087
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 - 05:40 pm: |
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”…..he is probably speaking about Kerry saying something to the effect that the smart, the privileged, and the lucky young men in this country are able to dodge having to risk their lives in Iraq, so this dirty job is left to the poor ol working class stiffs who join the army for lack of better choices available to them.”
You speak the truth and I’m sure that is what Kerry meant to say. However, it did not come across that way and the desperate Republicans are frantically scrambling to exploit Kerry’s FUBAR. It’s comical and pathetic at the same time to see them, starting with Bush, revel and ruthlessly exploit this innocuous comment.
You are right, the rich and privileged will escape the tragic and ever spiraling out of control debacle in Iraq. Just like Rove, Bush, Cheney, Rice, O’Reilly, Snow, Limbaugh, Rumsfeld, et al, escaped being in Vietnam. NONE SERVED IN UNIFORM –EVER! And I don’t consider that stint Bush did with the ANG reserves as military time served. Not the way he did it! None of them were ever in harms way, stood a watch nor picked up a weapon to fight for this countries policies, right or wrong. Kerry did.
You will not see body containers coming back from Iraq or Afghanistan who are members of the Kennedy’s, Vanderbilt’s, Carnegies, Bush’s, Rockefeller’s, Mellon’s, Ford’s or Walton’s! It is the young kids from the farms, inner city, barrios, the bored and those seeking education funds from the GI Bill who dominate the roster of the fallen, wounded and crippled for life.
I’m not a Kerry man but I don’t agree with Chrishayden’s ecstasy at Bush taking office again. I have no idea what he is thinking and why he believes the country has been better served with Bush and company in office for the second time. Perhaps he can explain it. I’m willing to hear anything he has to say about his joy of Bush high jacking two elections.
But Kerry should step up to the plate and apologize. I understood what he meant and but he articulated his point poorly. The Dems are now running away from him like tenants fleeing a high rise apartment complex raging on fire. And Hillary Clinton is leading the exodus. FOX news channel is ratcheting up the mantra and sparing no idle seconds exploiting this to maximum over drive! And the embattled desperate Republicans are working at a feverish tempo to paint the Dems as disrespectful to our troops, weak on the farce know as the “war on terror” and impotent on national security and defense. I’m hoping most Americans can see through this feverish grandstanding and ulrazealous attempt by the GOP to take the spot light from real issues by focusing on a statement made by Kerry.
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Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 556
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 02:56 am: |
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He was telling a lot more truth than the public is willing to admit. It's actually the military equivalent of the "Another dummy in a pick-up truck" syndrome. The blue-collar crowd (of painters, plumbers, bus drivers and the like) just doesn't match up, and they're are being disproportionately relegated to the most physically demanding tasks - e.g., combat. The other option, get an education if you can find one or afford it for that matter. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 6767
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 06:28 am: |
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The Democrats must stop equivocating and cowtowing to GOP spin. Because the GOP will try to manipulate ANY dayam thing that Kerry says to their advantage. So why not say what you mean...EMPHATICALLY?
It's HIGHTIME the Democrats fight Fire with FIRE!!!
John Kerry should call a press conference. At that press conference, I'd grab an M-16 and PROUDLY declare the following:
"UNLIKE BUSH, CHENEY, RUMSFELD, RICE and Co, I have HELD and FIRED one of THESE in COMBAT. I have been WOUNDED and have BLED on the battlefied. And I have watched brave young men, some not yet 20 years old, DIE in a uniform that most of YOU were too afraid to WEAR. So how DARE you CHICKHAWK Sons of B*TCHES lecture ME about what it means to risk ones life to defend the United States of America??"
I'd proudly SALUTE the Old Glory. And then do a military style march from the stage. |
Mordee
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Username: Mordee
Post Number: 7
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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While I am Ralph Nader independent and not a Kerry fan. I think we have one political party bought and paid for by corporations.
I must agree with Kerry's statement. I don't know about the rest of the country but in my state, Texas, the public schools with their overemphasis on the standardized test are not preparing the majority of the kids for college. The curriculum in Texas prepares those students in the gifted and talented or above grade classes for college. That is less than 25% of the kids in the average school. The on-grade students are being prepared for Walmart or the military. In many school districts in Texas the on-grade students are not issued text books and never or hardly ever have homework. They are deemphasizing weekly quizzes and test. It all about passing the TAKS test at the end of the year. Since the standardized tests are not open book, textbooks are no longer necessary.
What does this mean, if you don't know how to study independently, if you don't know how to use the table of contents or the index, you won't be prepared for college. They will pass the test but they won't make a semester of college, anywhere.
To be a firemen or work as a refinery operator you need 24 semester hours so what alternative do they have? Those well paying union jobs no longer exist. It’s Walmart or the military. There are six military recruiters in my daughter’s high school telling these kids if you are not college material what kind of job are you going to get. Be all you can be baby, Be all you can be.
Kerry's a fool, but he's a politician so what do you expect? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2930
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 11:30 am: |
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By this time you know he was thoroughly punked. Serves him right.
In order to rise up in the political system you have to be an equivocator primarily dedicated to your own re election and enrichment and payoff for your campaign contributors. He knows the rules. And he showed he knowed 'em.
He did the right thing. This wasn't his campaign and he was screwing it up for others. But it is all about him the stiff necked idiot.
Mordee--BOTH parties are bought and paid for by corporations.
We are largely along for the ride right now.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 5698
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 11:31 am: |
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Thus has it always been that poor young men fight the wars of rich old men. In their heart everybody knows this, and maybe in the privacy of a voting booth, Americans will realize that although the truth hurts, so will re-electing Republicans. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 2036
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 12:37 pm: |
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Unfortunately life is unfair and money is power. So no - the rich and famous don't join the military to fight on the frontlines to defend our freedom. But the military is all voluntary. And for whatever reasons a person joins up, that is a decision that they have made. They are warriors and it's their job to fight wars. It is NOT just another job.
Regardless of all of that, and whatever their education level was when they joined the military - our armed forces are trained up and they are fit to fight. They are not uneducated, they don't lack training, they aren't missing any meals, they receive medical attention, their immediate families (meaning their wives/husbands and children) are housed, and above all - our fighting forces are NOT stupid.
Everyone heard for themselves what John Kerry said. And we all saw his reaction when he was petitioned to apologize. Did he mean to say it? Probably not. But it's out there now for all eternity and he will be the butt of jokes until another clownie mother-fucker comes along.
And the best news to come out of this latest episode is this:
John Kerry will never be POTUS!!!
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Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 1090
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 12:55 pm: |
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"John Kerry should call a press conference. At that press conference, I'd grab an M-16 and PROUDLY declare the following:
"UNLIKE BUSH, CHENEY, RUMSFELD, RICE and Co, I have HELD and FIRED one of THESE in COMBAT. I have been WOUNDED and have BLED on the battlefied. And I have watched brave young men, some not yet 20 years old, DIE in a uniform that most of YOU were too afraid to WEAR. So how DARE you CHICKHAWK Sons of B*TCHES lecture ME about what it means to risk ones life to defend the United States of America??""
Well, I think that puts a rap on this subject.....
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 5701
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 01:08 pm: |
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Except that a lot of those fighting over there in Iraq are green national guard units who are undergoing on-the-job training when it comes to fighting terrorists. And The VA is really sticking it to the wounded veterans of this war, making them and their families the victims of its economizing and downsizing. Try as we may, we cannot sanitize the "resumes" of those fighting this war. These troops do come from rural areas and trailer parks and barrios and ghettos and did join the Army for lack of better opportunities. All of this is part of the travesty of this Iraq fiasco. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 2038
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 01:20 pm: |
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Everyone is in OJT mode when it comes to dealing with terrorists. And yes, some of the soldiers joined the military due to adverse conditions, but not most. They joined the military because they want to protect and defend our freedom, they want to serve their country. I am saying this from my own personal experience in dealing with and talking to soldiers - real life and in person. Do they want to go to war? Not any soldiers that I've spoken to. But they go anyway because that's their job, regardless of their personal opinion. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 5702
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 01:37 pm: |
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Of course, we all hate the war and love the warrior. And I repeat, the tragedy is that these brave and dedicated young men are dying for bogus reasons. They are pawns of King George and his court jesters. Rather than protecting their country, they are reinforcing the resolve of the terrorists as well as motivating dissent groups to form coalitions against the U.S. Waging war in Iraq is not making this nation safer. After all, it only takes a little cell of Islamic fanatics to bring down a building, or to set off a bomb in a train station or to poison America's water supply. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2931
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 02:21 pm: |
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Mzuri:
We are all grownups here. Save the high school civics lectures.
The people who join the military are not protecting our freedom they are not serving their country and if they think that is why they are joining they soon become disabused of the notion that they are doing such.
If they are in the Navy they are in the business of keeping the sea lanes open so trade and above all the oil can keep moving.
If they are in the Army or Air Force they are there to beat down whoever our rulers decide needs to be beat down in their quest to dominate the globe.
What went on over in Afghanistan was about punishing Al Quaeda and the Taliban and as soon as they got done all those rosy promises about bringing freedom and prosperity went by the way.
Iraq is about Saddam thumbing his nose at the U.S. all these years and menacing Israel about oil and about making sure no one Arab or Muslim dominates the gulf--that there is no new Caliph or Sultan who can rally one billion Muslims and challenge U.S. world hegemony.
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Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 2040
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 02:46 pm: |
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I apologize Chris. I didn't realize that my post was a high school civics lecture. I am a grade school dropout so what do I know. Yeah - whatever you said - that's it. People don't join the military or work for federal govt because they want to serve their country, they want to serve as drones for the King. Sho you're right! |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2937
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 02:09 pm: |
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Mzuri:
I love it when you grovel even though you don't mean it you Jezebel. I have some fur trimmed handcuffs that you'll find fit just right-- |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 2056
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 02:58 pm: |
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I meant every word I said. And I'll be sure to let my Son know that he is but a drone in the King's Army. I'm sure it will boost his morale. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2938
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 03:44 pm: |
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Mzuri:
Unless he is a General he should get out fast as he can. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 2059
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 04:14 pm: |
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He is in the military of his own freewill. And he's an adult so he can do whatever he wants. But thank you for your concern.  |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 5721
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 11:40 pm: |
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Being in the military is an honorable career choice. I wish your son god speed, Mzuri. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 2061
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2006 - 12:49 am: |
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Thank you ma'am. And to you as well |
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