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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 04:24 pm: | 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6080096.stm
Black women are "hugely responsible" for the family breakdown which fuels crime, MPs have been told.
Camila Batmanghelidjh, of the charity Kid's Company, said men were usually seen as the "irresponsible" ones who got girls pregnant and "walked off".
But black women were also to blame as they had a culture of rejecting men and being "cruel" towards them, she said.
Ms Batmanghelidjh, who advises Tory leader David Cameron, was speaking to the influential home affairs committee.
The Commons committee, which is investigating young black people and the criminal justice system, was told 57% of black Caribbean children grew up in lone parent households, compared with 25% of white children.
Shaun Bailey, of youth organisation My Generation, said all the evidence showed children who grew up in married or two parent families did better at school and were less likely to end up in prison.
Marriage
He said the lack of positive role models for young black men and the "promotion" of irresponsible sex they were exposed to was having a negative impact.
At the moment our men are like bees. Once they reproduce they are of no use
Uanu Seshmi, from Boyhood to Manhood Foundation
He called on the authorities to do more to promote marriage.
"The biggest social issue is violence in the home, because men don't understand relationships with women," said Mr Bailey, who advises the Tories' Social Justice Policy Group, under former leader Iain Duncan Smith.
Ms Batmanghelidjh told the MPs: "I actually think the mothers are hugely responsible because they have created a culture where they can get rid of the adolescent boy.
"They can get rid of the male partner, they can survive on their own.
"Often people think it's the males who are the culprits, the irresponsible people who actually come along and make these girls pregnant and walk off.
"And they underestimate the level of rejection and cruelty from the females towards the males.
"I actually think the males are really vulnerable and it starts in adolescence.
"The minute the adolescent boy begins to look slightly like a male and behave like a male, often the mother wants that young male banished from the house. A hate relationship often develops.
"I really think we underestimate the vulnerabilities of young black men."
'Responsible' parenting
Decima Francis, from Boyhood to Manhood Foundation, also stressed the importance of black men being involved in family life.
"Men have a place. At the moment our men are like bees. Once they reproduce they are of no use - and they are dying," she said.
She called for a return to "responsible" parenting - but stressed the first step was to make sure black men had jobs.
"They do not have enough work. There are too many of them on the streets," she told the committee.
She also called for a ban on violent rap music - echoing a call made by the three other witnesses giving evidence to the committee.
"It's not the music that you are trying to ban, it's the language they use and it can be done," she said.
"We don't want it - it is killing our people across the world. It is killing young black men".
She suggested the preaching of violence should be against the law in the same way that racist abuse is.
"I feel as a black women very offended and very under attack and I can show evidence of where this kind of music has actually led to people behaving in particular kinds of ways," she said. |
Chrishayden
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I don't agree.
There are other actors at play--the breakdown of the nuclear family in general in America
But the breakdown of the black family has occurred as the old, nuclear, male dominated rural farming family unit has moved to the city.
This is supposed to be happening. It is not in the interests of certain already entrenched social groups to have viable black social groups competing with them. Also, black people represent in many cases surplus labor capacity that is not needed.
It is every man woman and child for himself. |
Abm
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What I find somewhat ironic is it seems the more technologically advanced we're becoming, the more we appear to be regressing to less civilized behavior, manifestation of such being the deteriation of much of the mating, familial and criteria and social order. |
Cynique
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Gee, these woman have something in common with Madonna when it comes to being inadquate mothers, eh, folks?
And what are you blabbing about, chrishayden? Still stuck in the past, huh. Puleeze. The male dominated rural family unit moved to the city over 50 years ago with the "Second Migration" in the 1940s. You got a far-fetched rationale for everything. |
Schakspir
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Sounds to me like the higher-ups in British society are trying to play black women and black men against one another. Ms. Batmanghelidj has a point, but I don't trust these kinds of people. She won't point a finger at the most obvious culprit, which is a sufffocatingly elitist, white British society. |
Fortified
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I agree with Schakspir, without totally letting black women or black men off the hook. |
Va_sis
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What do you do?
You can't make a man stay if he doesn't want to.
And equally important, we should make wiser choices in men we sleep with/who impregnate us- and set the example for our daughters.
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Abm
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Human relations are akin to any other ecological system: We all are made by and make each other.
For we Black foks to ever to have shot at evolving beyond being the reliable a$$wipe of the rest of the world, we're going to have to realize and accept that as we point fingers at each other, there's always THREE of our OWN fingers pointing back at us. |
Chrishayden
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Cynique:
Or should I say Dear Chowder Head:
And the Civil War was fought more than one hundred years ago but people are still wearing Confederate flags.
Only somebody with the intelligence of a moron believes that something that happened 50 years ago--which is like yesterday in human history--but a long long time ago to a chowderhead--does not affect folks today.
Some people are still rhapsodizing to reporters about tap dancing on the floor of city hall in Mayberry with their grandmother back in the 30's-(wonder who that would be?)-which is a lot longer than 50 years ago
Before you try to take me on, doll, pack a lunch, because it's an all day job. |
Cynique
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I'll take you and your ambiguous assertions on any time I feel like it, numb skull a/k/a chrishayden; you ain't nobody of great note or someone who is above being challenged. And I hope the post that follows will reaaaally churn your fat gut and make the veins bulge out of your bull neck. LMAO. |
Cynique
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Obviously the issue in question is an insurmountable and complicated problem which perpetuates itself. The dilemma is that the female body is capable of conceiving a baby sooner than her mind is capable of dealing with motherhood. Likewise, young boys are able to sire children before they are mature enough to take on the responsibilties of fatherhood. In the human species, the mind has not caught up with the body, nor do instincts automatically kick in when it comes to parenting. Only drastic measures can deter what is now in a crisis mode. Accidental pregnancies among unwed teens occur across the board; among the rich and poor and black and white, and they are never an occasion for rejoicing. Humans cannot control their impulses, but they can control their functions. How? A vaccine that would be administered to all female babies at birth, an injection that would render them sterile until such time as they proved they were able to have their sterility reversed. Yes, this harks back to science fiction scenarios and horrifies with the specter of genocide and the opposition to such extreme measures would be formidible. But, how bad could this be when the alternative is the ongoing trend toward wanton breeding that results in legions of neglected unruly children who repeat the mistakes of their single parents, all of which portends for a bleak future, one that might very possibly roil with chaos and anarchy. |
Chrishayden
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Your scenario is crazed, paranoid and hysterical--quel surprise!
Unfortunately for your fevered screed there are plenty of products of single parent families that are fine people and there are plenty of people from your perfect, Ozzie and Harriet World who are or were total beasts.
George Bush had two parents. So did Hitler. So did Ted Bundy.
Bill Clinton, who you love, was the product of a single parent upbringing.
Face it--parenting is a crapshoot. A couple hundred years ago people got married at 14 and started families and everything is fine. Now of course you have a different society--maybe our society is screwed up, not us. |
Cynique
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Blow it out your fat ass, chrishayden. As usual you dwell on the exceptions not the rule and ignore what you find uncomfortable to confront. You're the one who lives in a fantasy world where everything is just honky-dory fine and dandy. If we ignore problems they will just go away. Denial is your security blanket.Society is screwed up; not people; who the hell are the components of society?? Get real, flannel mouth. |
Chrishayden
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Look at you. Product of a fine outwardly well settled nuclear family.
Crazy as a road lizard.
Cynique--Exhibit A.
I rest my case. |
Abm
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Chris: "Look at you. Product of a fine outwardly well settled nuclear family...Crazy as a road lizard."
BAAAWAHAHAHAHA!!! |
Cynique
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LMAO. Better a lizard than a beached whale. And I'm sure your parents went to their graves, wondering where they had failed. A wanna-be loser like you had to have fallen short of their expectations. |
Cynique
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Are you 2 dufuses really familiar with the term "nuclear" family. Certainly nothing that applies to a person of my generation. Puleeze. |
Serenasailor
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That is exactly what I was saying before about the Washington post add. You guys don't see how the White Supremacist media is trying to get into your heads and trying to turn you against one another. |
Cynique
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Oh stuff it, serenasailor. Didn't I say that this scenarie would generate cries of genocide and hark back to sci-fi solutions. I am not naive. What I advanced was an alternatve to doing nothing, which is where things presently stand and which is why they are getting worse. You lazy thinkers are stuck in a rut, attributing any idea that doesn't coincide with your blurred tunnel vision as being spawned by white supremacy. In my theory I said that the vaccine would be given to all races; but you are all so bamboozled by white supremacy yourself that you think white people are exempt from the blight and the negative ramifications of rampant pregnancies |
Ntfs_encryption
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”That is exactly what I was saying before about the Washington post add. You guys don't see how the White Supremacist media is trying to get into your heads and trying to turn you against one another.”
We don’t see it but you do? I doubt that. It never ceases to amaze me how you are the only one on this board who sees racist conspiracies in everything. You are the only one who is immune to white racism –right? I don’t think so. And we all need you to tell us the white man is getting in our heads with divisive and misleading racist propaganda? As if your boring vapid racist rants and race traitor accusations are not equally disgusting. Why don’t you spend more time reading and less time tea bagging with your male lovers. Perhaps you will find the ability to write a post of substance and serious enlightenment.
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Serenasailor
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Ntfs your attacks against me are so childish. You never talk about the issue at hand and then tie it into a personal attack like I do. Instead, you look you go to each thread and look for me just to try to bait me. I never said that I was immune to white racism. In fact nobody is. However, I don't let the racist media get into my head and distort my taste and values. ASSHOLE!!! |
Ntfs_encryption
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”Ntfs your attacks against me are so childish.”
Really? Well, look at this way, they are no more childish than those stupid juvenile questions and statements you post. You are in no position to accuse anyone of being childish. Trust me!
”You never talk about the issue at hand and then tie it into a personal attack like I do.”
Of course I do. Obviously you never read 98.9% of my posts which are not directed at your sorry militant wannabe ass. If you did, you would see that I focus very tightly on the subject at hand.
”Instead, you look you go to each thread and look for me just to try to bait me.”
You need to understand this SissySailor, EVERY TIME YOU POST ANYTHING ON THIS BOARD, YOU OPEN YOUR COMMENTARY UP TO CRITICISM OR PRAISE. You should know that by now. I don’t have to bait you –YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE AND YOU KNOW YOU CANNOT DENY ANYTHING I HAVE SAID! Who do you think you are fooling?
” I never said that I was immune to white racism. In fact nobody is.”
Oh really? Interesting revelations. Since that is an honest admission, we don’t need your attention starved ass suggesting the white man is controlling our minds. Even though there are very diverse ideologies on this board –no one is being taken in by white racist propaganda and imagery as you have stated numerous times. So you need to back off with your ridiculous Uncle Tom and brainwashed accusations. YOU’RE LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE IF YOU WANT TO HURL THOSE TYPES OF SILLY STATEMENTS.
”However, I don't let the racist media get into my head and distort my taste and values.”
And? Is this something we need to know? Are you special? And for the record, no one really cares. Were you aware of this?
”ASSHOLE!!!”
Oh! Well, since that is your favorite body part and subject, I’m sure we could get some expertise commentary and sordid stories from you about this. You are what you are son. Got that!
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Unpolitical
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Yet another non black person with the gall to offer analysis of the social fallacies of black people as if showcasing how inferior and uncivilized we as a people are. Though the attack was made against the black woman you can't attack the black woman without attacking the black man. I don't know what's worse the blatant disregard the world has for us, the proliferation of such images of black people that we have yet to demolish on a grand scale or sad ring of truth to what this woman is saying. Here is what I say. Forget about what the rest of the world thinks about us we must examine what we think about ourselves. We must move away from the dependency on the benevolent white powers that be for our survival and begin to empower ourselves. We must ask "what can I do to better me"? It doesn't have to be anything major persay. It could be something as simple as stop indulging in tobacco products or changing to a healthier diet. We could be more patient with our children or greet everyone we meet with a smile. We could make a commitment to establish a savings or set aside some time each day as family time. There is a whole lot we could do to better ourselves that doesn't cost a dime. For the sisters that are offended by the comments made the this person you should take it as a challenge to dispel such idiotic notions with the quickness. We must change our image to who we say we are and not who someone else says or wants us to be.. |
Urban_scribe
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Unpolitical,
That was very nicely said. What I disagree with is, "Forget about what the rest of the world thinks about us we must examine what we think about ourselves." Neither Blacks nor anyone can ever totally discount what the rest of the world thinks of them unless we all decide to become hermits. As long as anyone co-exists and co-habitates with the rest of the world, everyone must take into consideration how the world sees them because that's how the world will treat them. So, everyone is actually a combination of what we think of ourselves as well as what those we come in contact with think of us.
The distinction is how much we allow ourselves to be defined and affected by what others think of us. We could bitch and moan and say I'm Black, the world's against me, it's not a level playing field out there for me as a Black so, I'm just not going to become the nigger they believe I am. Or we could say I'm Black and I'm gonna have the last laugh and defy and rise above the negative stereotypes about me and my ethnic background. Sadly, far too many Blacks choose to do the former.
Thank you for saying this: "...you can't attack the black woman without attacking the black man." And vice versa. I think Blacks overall realize this, which explains why most Blacks marry and reproduce with other Blacks, but I think we fail to be actively conscious of it in our daily living. |
Urban_scribe
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I'm Black, the world's against me, it's not a level playing field out there for me as a Black so, I'm just (not) going to become the nigger they believe I am.
Apologies, that (not) shouldn't be in that sentence. |
Unpolitical
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Thank you Urban_Scribe for your comments. Maybe I should offer some clarification. I agree that we are all on a stage for worldwide review and scrutiny. The message I'm trying to convey is if we allow ourselves to become baited into what people think of us eventually we will stop being who we are and become who someone else makes us into. In fact it's too late we are who someone else has made us into. As many of us do without knowing we try to be pleasing in the sight of others instead of pleasing to us. We desperately seek the approval and validation of others. As you also illustrated if we feel we can't live up to someone else expectations we make a conscious effort to personify the worse that we could humanly possibly be. This is why it is important to know who we are. Every other race or nationality of people know who they are and identify with their heritage. We say we are descendants of Africa but do we really know what that is? We are disconnected from who we are so much that we can't recognize who we are when we see ourselves. When I say this I'm talking about traditions that made us a dignified formidable people. Now we are the butt of everyones joke. It's truly sad. |
Abm
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Unpolitical,
What if a comprehensive genealogical review reveals that one is an amalgam of +10 distinct races and/or tribes; some African, some European, some Native American...one even Asian?
How does one determine which of one's myriad selves she should immerse herself in? |
Ntfs_encryption
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”What I disagree with is, "Forget about what the rest of the world thinks about us we must examine what we think about ourselves." Neither Blacks…………….. must take into consideration how the world sees them because that's how the world will treat them. So, everyone is actually a combination of what we think of ourselves as well as what those we come in contact with think of us.”
Brilliant Urban_scribe!!! You are right on the money. I have heard this type of thinking before by blacks, even on this board. In saying and thinking so, they have elevated the word stupid to a new and higher level! You have accurately articulated there is a direct relationship between the way others perceive you and how they will more than likely treat and respond to you. Unfortunately, many blacks are blinded by their self righteous delusional race pride arrogance and ignorance. They fail to grasp the implications and consequences of how negative perceptions by others can impact their lives. Their thinking is flawed.
”The distinction is how much we allow ourselves to be defined and affected by what others think of us. We could bitch and moan……… Or we could say I'm Black and I'm gonna have the last laugh and defy and rise above the negative stereotypes about me and my ethnic background. Sadly, far too many Blacks choose to do the former.”
This is very, very true. We are responsible to a major degree for the impressions others have us. When you brazenly act out the conventional stereotypes and negative images of black people, why should others (non-blacks) not believe the stereotypes? Only black people have the power and responsibility to dismantle the negative stereotypes we are confronted with. I was talking to a dear friend tonight. We were talking about this very subject when she made a few very negative comments about black people. Before she lived in a mixed or mostly white communities. She was a hard line race pride black woman and did not tolerate any negative commentary about black people (like many of the readers of this board) regardless of the situation. Well, she moved to Oakland two years ago and recently moved into a hornets nest of black people. Needless to say, her tune has drastically changed! I told her, five or ten years ago, I could have never gotten her to say the things she said tonight. Her response was; "This is true, But I live it every single day and I see the things black people are doing. I work with black folks every day now. I never thought I would think this way. Now I do. How can I deny what is in front of my eyes on a daily basis?” Those were her exact words –not mine.
Perception is reality to people. And when you act a certain way, people respond accordingly. Not saying this is always right, but that’s the way it is. As black people, we do it all the time. And you know exactly what I mean!
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Teresarae
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I write about this as well. Please see my upcoming ad in Black Issues Book Review and right now you can go to my post! Much luv 2 all! |
Teresarae
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I wrote about this in my book as well. Look for me in Black Issues Book Review in the NOVEMBER/ DECEMBER 2006 issue. You can find out more by visiting to my website at www.text4mpublishing.com
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Unpolitical
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"Unpolitical,
What if a comprehensive genealogical review reveals that one is an amalgam of +10 distinct races and/or tribes; some African, some European, some Native American...one even Asian?
How does one determine which of one's myriad selves she should immerse herself in?"
Abm
This is an excellent question that in earnest deserves it's own thread for further exploration. Personally I can't speak for someone that is bi or multi racial simply because I don't identify with the races that may or may not be in my background because I have never seen myself as anything other than black when it comes to race. How a person identifies themselves is a culmination of factors that lead to an individuals personal decision. |
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