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Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 07:01 pm: | 
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This is horrible! Black women are stealing white men! That's right! According to the brother in the video, there is a current rage of black women stealing white men in mass! WTF..!!?? What is a white chick supposed to do? Is this fair to white women? You decide:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFt0f9UH4_8
".........love, peace and hair grease????"
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Fortified
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Tell that drip curl horsemouth nucca to get the fuck outta here with that bull shit. His black woman must have left him for a white man. In my lifetime, I have only met three black men who have never had a desire for white women, and these men were probably lying. Black men date/marry/breed interracially at twice the rate of black women. I am willing to bet that their desire to do so [if they haven't done it yet] is 1000X of black women. Nothing wrong with it, but I have a problem when black men are in denial about it. |
Tonya
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Believe it or not, this brotha is not far from the truth. Take away the "black women are racist" rhetoric and the claim that we’re home wreckers looking to steal someone’s man, and a few other things he said to demean black women, and he’s not lying. (Not saying that I agree---not saying I don’t.) I do think, however, that it's much different than what was described by Frantz Fanon in Black Skin White Masks regarding the Black Mulatto woman's lust for white men. |
Fortified
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Frantz Fanon was addressing levels of self-hatred experienced in the black race as a whole. He brilliantly explored self-hatred from all angles: psychologically, socially, physically, etc.
This nucca is bitter black man standing behind a school bus, barely reading from cue cards about "black women stealing white men from white women". Men cannot be stolen, men go where they want to. In reality, how many white men want to go towards black women? How many black men want to go towards white women? Imagine the laughter if a black woman did a video like this. |
Tonya
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In reality, how many white men want to go towards black women? How many black men want to go towards white women? Imagine the laughter if a black woman did a video like this.
(???) I don't understand your point. |
Fortified
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My point is, if a black woman were to do a video warning white men about black men stealing white women, she would be the ultimate object of ridicule by black men, she would most certainly gas their heads up.
My point is: BLACK WOMEN ARE NOT STEALING WHITE MEN FROM WHITE WOMEN. VERY FEW WHITE MEN ARE WITH BLACK WOMEN AND THEY WEREN'T STOLEN, THEY WENT THERE ON THEIR OWN. BLACK MEN ARE GOING TO WHITE WOMEN IN MUCH, MUCH LARGER NUMBERS.
This man has NOOOOOOOOOOO point, he is just bitter. He should learn how to read and speak before broadcasting shit about a whole demographic. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 10:35 pm: |
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if a black woman were to do a video warning white men about black men stealing white women...she would most certainly gas their heads up.
Which is sad because an increase of IR relationships for either party (bm or bw) should be a sobering thing, a time to reflect, not an ego trip and/or a time to celebrate, for either side. Our main desire should be the PRESERVATION of Black families, imo, instead of the breakup of them.
This man has NOOOOOOOOOOO point...
More black women ARE entering the corporate world than are black men. Black women ARE seen as less of a threat than black men. I think he does have a point in that if black men aren't given a better opportunity to succeed, it will expand the educational/income gap between bm and bw and it could very well force a lot of black women to date/marry outside of their race. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 12:58 am: |
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”Men cannot be stolen, men go where they want to. In reality,…..”
This is very true. No one can steal your mate. They leave because they want to.
”……….how many white men want to go towards black women? ”
Uhhhhhhhhh….not too many. Although I have seen more white men with black women lately, white men as a group, are not attracted to black women. That’s a fact not a personal opinion.
”My point is: BLACK WOMEN ARE NOT STEALING WHITE MEN FROM WHITE WOMEN. VERY FEW WHITE MEN ARE WITH BLACK WOMEN AND THEY WEREN'T STOLEN, THEY WENT THERE ON THEIR OWN. ”
This is also true. But ya know, the brother was only making a parody! He was not serious. The whole thing was a spoof! That’s why I posted it. HE WASN’T SERIOUS!!!!!! Dang…!! Doesn’t anyone have a sense of humor?
”BLACK MEN ARE GOING TO WHITE WOMEN IN MUCH, MUCH LARGER NUMBERS. ”
Well…uhhhhhh…ok. No doubt about it. This is another truism.
”This man has NOOOOOOOOOOO point, he is just bitter. He should learn how to read and speak before broadcasting shit about a whole demographic. ”
Look, the brother was only clowning and the video was a parody as I said. Everyone with a brain and eyes know black women are not hunting down and hotly pursuing white men! Cheeeeezzzzzz….!
”Which is sad because an increase of IR relationships for either party (bm or bw) should be a sobering thing, a time to reflect, not an ego trip and/or a time to celebrate, for either side. Our main desire should be the PRESERVATION of Black families, imo, instead of the breakup of them. ”
Good point.
”More black women ARE entering the corporate world than are black men. ”
Sigh……sadly enough, this is also true.
”Black women ARE seen as less of a threat than black men. ”
Ya got that right! Black women are much less threatening to paranoid white folks. They would rather hire a black women vice a black man given the choice. This is also not debatable. Your point is on point!
”I think he does have a point in that if black men aren't given a better opportunity to succeed, it will expand the educational/income gap between bm and bw and it could very well force a lot of black women to date/marry outside of their race. ”
Well, unfortunately it looks this way. I guess black women have to do what they have to do. I think it is unfortunate, but unlike some people, I do not criticize them for the decisions they make in their personal lives. I have always maintained this perspective since I have been on this board. What anyone does in their personal lives is no ones business. All the vitriolic ranting and name calling solves nothing nor changes anyone’s mind about what they do when choosing a mate. Get over it and manage your own personal life and seek interaction with individuals who you feel comfortable with or offer you the best possible relationship.
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 01:34 am: |
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In reality, how many white men want to go towards black women? How many black men want to go towards white women?. . .VERY FEW WHITE MEN ARE WITH BLACK WOMEN…
According to statistics, there are far fewer white men with black women than there are black men with white women, yes. But I still wouldn’t count your statement as truth, fact or even close to reality. I think in order to get a more accurate picture, one must take into consideration the number of white men that Black women turn down, which is probably impossible to estimate but still….Black women seem to be more discriminating when dating outside of their race….Whereas Black men have a reputation for dating whatever white woman comes their way, regardless of what she looks like. Black women expect white men to meet many standards that black men tend to overlook in white women. |
Urban_scribe
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I think we're forgetting that historically in this country, White men have raped Black women. There were no laws to protect these Black female victims; no laws to prosecute these White male assailants. Therefore, I believe when it comes to Black women dating/marrying White men that a certain psychology comes into play - how could I fall in love with my attacker?
I think that same psychology works in reverse when it comes to Black men's "lust" for White women. For hundreds of years Black men were LEGALLY "denied" having relationships with White women. Remember Emmitt Till? Thusly, White women became "forbidden fruit" for Black men. This, in my estimation, explains why Black men date/marry White women almost three times more than Black women date/marry White men.
I think in both instances, however, to a large extent, it is a form of defiance and protest. I think Black women rebuke White men, for the most part, as a way of saying - you can't FORCE me no more.
I think Black men pursue White women, for the most part, as a way of saying - you can't STOP me no more.
btw, the video was funny and I didn't take this guy seriously. Does anybody take anything seriously on youtube? |
Fortified
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Urban_scribe, WE ALL KNOW THAT WHITE SLAVEMASTERS RAPED BLACK WOMEN. But WHO IS RAPING BLACK WOMEN NOW? It is a fact that black women are raped by black men 2x as much as white men rape white women. That is not even counting the rapes that black women don't report to the police.
The white men walking around today are NOT your slavemasters, nor your rapists. You are more likely to be raped by the man you call "brotha" than the one you call "cracka".
Yes, many [if not the majority of] white folks today (both men AND WOMEN) are racist and/or benefit from institutionalized racism, but these men aren't trying to rape/attack you. For the most part, they don't give a shit about you. And a growing number of black men don't give a shit about you either.
White women are also free to date and marry any black man they choose since they burned their bras waaaaaaaaaaaaay back. Nothing is stopping white women and black men from getting together. I am willing to bet that the majority of the time, black women are standing in their own damned way of finding a mate, no matter what his hue. |
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Fortified, true enough that this is common knowledge (the rape of Black females by White males during antebellum and Jim Crow South). That's why I wrote: "I think we're forgetting..." But I'm referring to longterm residual effects. I believe the psychological terminology used today is "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder".
Horrific retellings of these accounts have been passed down from generation to generation of this brutality and, certainly, being told by one's mulatta grandmother that her Black mother was savagely raped by a White man/gang of White men, hence her being mulatto(a), is bound to affect one's thinking on and approach to IR relationships in one's present-day life.
"The white men walking around today are NOT your slavemasters, nor your rapists."
No, but they are their descendants. Also, whether they descend from them or not they still LOOK like your slavemaster and/or rapist.
"You are more likely to be raped by the man you call "brotha" than the one you call "cracka".
Yes. And why is that? I have my theories on this. One of my theories is based on this country's racist history and practices. I'd love to hear your theories on this.
"White women are also free to date and marry any black man they choose since they burned their bras waaaaaaaaaaaaay back. Nothing is stopping white women and black men from getting together."
You mean nothing is stopping White women and Black men from getting together TODAY. TODAY, your above statement is a given. EVERYONE (today) is free to date/marry whomever they choose. Vive la difference. What I'm getting at are the social, cultural, political, psychological, economical, AND historical reasons and fall-out behind these choices.
"I am willing to bet that the majority of the time, black women are standing in their own damned way of finding a mate, no matter what his hue."
This I agree with wholeheartedly. I see many sisters on this forum who down Black men. I believe because they have these negative feelings regarding Black men, real or imagined, they attract negative Black men. I, on the other hand, have positive feelings about Black men. Therefore, I attract positive Black men. So, yes, Black women who ONLY see the shortcomings of Black men, and CHOOSE to harp on these shortcomings, are indeed standing in their OWN way of having wonderful relationships with wonderful Black men.
But if we were to analyze this closely, we'll find that this country's racist history and practices play a major role here as well.
Do I blame EVERYTHING that's wrong with this country on the "White man"? NO. Do I blame A LOT of what's wrong with this country on the "White man"? Absolutely. This includes, but is not limited to, how Blacks (male and female) interact with one another.
Ultimately, however, I believe that Blacks have a CHOICE. We can perpetuate the negatives and the stereotypes, which is what the "White man" wants us to do. OR, we can flip the script and accentuate the positives of Blacks and rebuild the Black community. Unfortunately, most Blacks choose to do the former because it's easier.
However, those of us who wish to see and PARTICIPATE in the rebuilding of the Black community realize that, in the grand scheme of things, IR dating/marriage is NOT in the best interest of the Black community. Which is why when it comes to dating, I'll date any decent man of any background. BUT when it comes to marriage, procreation, growing old and building a future together, for me it's Black men EXCLUSIVELY.
This should put White women's minds at ease - at least when it comes to ME. That, and the fact that overwhelmingly White dates/marries White and Black dates/marries Black. So, I don't want a White guy anymore than he wants me. I turn down White men on a weekly basis. Except the one I had dinner with last Saturday. I'm seeing him again this evening. He's fucking gorgeous! 49, Lithuanian, MBA from Columbia, and a CFO at Merrill Lynch. But would I marry him - NOPE. Would I have a child with him - HELLLLL NO! Might fuck him, though, if he plays his cards right. BUT I'd drop him in a heartbeat for the first good Black man who comes along. Because, like I said, I don't want his ass - not longterm nor permanently. He's just a frog en route to finding my prince!
Make that a gorgeous, educated, successful frog. That's another thing about ME. I'll struggle with and stand by a Black man who has potential and ambition but isn't "quite there yet". But when it comes to White men, I ONLY choose la creme de la creme; he MUST be established.
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Brownbeauty123
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Fortifed, I agree with everything you said in your last post. I have never viewed White men as an "attacker", or someone who will possibly rape me because of what happened in slavery. That is not my reality, and I don't see why it would relate to any Black women of today.
"Uhhhhhhhhh….not too many. Although I have seen more white men with black women lately, white men as a group, are not attracted to black women. That’s a fact not a personal opinion."
Things are starting to change. |
Brownbeauty123
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"Horrific retellings of these accounts have been passed down from generation to generation of this brutality and, certainly, being told by one's mulatta grandmother that her Black mother was savagely raped by a White man/gang of White men, hence her being mulatto(a), is bound to affect one's thinking on and approach to IR relationships in one's present-day life."
I think a lot of Black people cannot relate to this story; although I've read about it in history books but it doesn't relate to my family at all. |
Cynique
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It's been my observation that black girls who interact with white guys stand a better chance of attracting them if they smile a lot and act real friendly so as not to be intimidating. They also have to give off a "white" vibe, talking and acting in a way that is far removed from the ghetto. In other words, they have to become a black version of a white girl. And their "reward" for taking on this persona is a white version of a horny black guy - and maybe a baby who won't be a victim of the dreaded colorism. |
Fortified
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I said: "You are more likely to be raped by the man you call "brotha" than the one you call "cracka".
Urban_scribe said: Yes. And why is that? I have my theories on this. One of my theories is based on this country's racist history and practices. I'd love to hear your theories on this.
I say: Sorry, sis. The white man does NOT make the black man rape or disrespect the black woman. White people aren't present in the private lives of black relationships. Black men and women CHOOSE to treat each other the way they do.
There comes a time where we have to stop blaming the "Man" for our issues, and take responsibility for our own actions. He is not going to apologize to us. He is not going to give us 40 acres and a mule. It's time to move on, it's time to accept responsibility for our actions or the lack thereof. |
Brownbeauty123
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Have babies by White men so our children won't suffer from being "too dark". Cynique is right ::sarcasm:: |
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BB123, I think there's a huge difference between READING these accounts and being told these stories firsthand.
Often, the over-35 generation has grandparents who came up during the Jim Crow segregated South. Many, if not most, of their grandparents have passed on to their grandchildren accounts of the subhuman and inhumane treatment they experienced firsthand. It's extremely difficult to not be affected by that, and, IMO, the dynamics are quite different than reading this second or thirdhand with possible distortions and watered down truths.
But you're right. This is not the case with EVERY SINGLE Black American family today. I never said it was. There were, in fact, loving consensual relationships between White men and Black women during both the antebellum and Jim Crow South. While I don't discount these, fact is, this was NOT the case in the vast majority of instances during those eras.
So, perhaps most of YOUR generation cannot relate to this oral and/or written history, and feel removed and even disconnected from these historical facts. However, I don't think that holds true for my generation to the same degree as yours; just as it doesn't hold true to the same degree for my generation as it did for my parents' generation, so forth and etc. Point is, on some scale, it DOES hold true and still affects the thinking and actions of people today. |
Fortified
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Urban_scribe if I were to recount a story of my being raped by a black man, and it never happened to you, would you feel connected to me, sympathetic. It's sort of like what BB123 is referring to. Our ancestors faced torture, oppression, extreme prejudice that we should never forget, but at the same time it shouldn't hinder us from being at our best today.
Folks, help me understand something here. How is it that the memories of slavery and Jim Crow carried more by black women than by black men--to the point that it is stopping many black women from dating outside their race, while many black men do it freely?
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Fortified, I completely agree, which is why I wrote, Ultimately, however, I believe that Blacks have a CHOICE...
But I don't think we can deny the helplessness and frustration that Black men are DESIGNED to feel in this country by the established hierarchy. Unfortunately, Black women receive the brunt of that helplessness and frustration - felt by Black men and at the hands of Black men.
But, as we agree, EVERY HUMAN BEING is responsible for their choices and actions. Since Black men are well aware that this system is against them - why feed into it? I think Black men, individually and collectively, would benefit from a great deal of inner reflection. However, we as Black women make matters worse when all we do is dog and reject Black men.
And before you say it, (LOL), Black men make matters worse when all they do is dog and reject us (Black women) too.
So how do we begin to remedy this? I, personally, don't think IR marriage is the answer. |
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IR dating is not an answer for anything. It is merely an expansion of one's choices in the dating scene. Should more black women consider it? I think so. But only consider it because of an individual. If it ain't for you, it ain't for you, don't front.
But I am sick and tired of taking black men and women off the hook for stupidity and blaming it on racism. You're helpless and frustrated? Don't call be a bitch or a ho, start a business, write a book, build a website that can make you money. |
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Fortified wrote:
Urban_scribe if I were to recount a story of my being raped by a black man, and it never happened to you, would you feel connected to me, sympathetic.
Sympathy - yes. Compassion - yes. But would I feel connected to you if it's never happened to me - no - because we're perfect strangers.
But I think this is different when it's happened to a close blood relative. I don't believe it's unreasonable or melodramatic for a part of you to feel violated when someone related to you (or very close to you) has experienced something horrible. Some years ago, my mother was hit head-on by a drunk driver. She (my mother) suffered numerous cuts and bruises and one of her legs was broken in the car accident. My legs were fine, mind you, (I wasn't in the car) but I became mad as all hell that a drunk did this to my mother. So, I organized a chapter of M.A.D.D. in my community and S.A.D.D. at my children's school; to bring more public awarness to the tragedies that can occur when driving under the influence. This is something I would have never done had I not been personally, albeit indirectly, affected by the accident involving my mom.
I think this mindset spills over into the thinking of a large number of Black women when it comes to IR dating/marriage. It has for me, anyway. I just can't see myself building a future with someone whose ancestors deliberately, intentionally, and historically set out to destroy the future of my ancestors and their descendants (me). Although Whites today personally are not at fault for the sins of their fathers, they still benefit BIG TIME from the injustice, double standards and bloodguilt of their ancestors. Even Whites who've arrived in this country within the past century and had nothing to do with slavery or Jim Crow still benefit simply by virtue of being White - White Privilege. I can neither excuse nor ignore that.
Our ancestors faced torture, oppression, extreme prejudice that we should never forget, but at the same time it shouldn't hinder us from being at our best today.
Absolutely. Again, we ALLOW it to hinder us today because, as I said, it's easier to just sit back and do nothing but complain. I come from very humble beginnings. But I did not allow that to stop me from getting an education and becoming financially comfortable. I'm not rich - far from it - but I don't live hand-to-mouth or from paycheck-to-paycheck - BECAUSE I CHOOSE NOT TO LIVE THAT WAY.
However, all things considered, being the best that I can be, in my estimation, does not include marrying and having children with someone outside my ethnic background. |
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But I am sick and tired of taking black men and women off the hook for stupidity and blaming it on racism. You're helpless and frustrated? Don't call be a bitch or a ho, start a business, write a book, build a website that can make you money.
Now you're talking my language! |
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I appreciate your honesty, Urban_scribe, stay true to you, always.
I could look at the way my grandfather treated my grandmother, the way my father treated my mother and easily say that I refuse to build a future with a member from a group of men whose ancestors AND descendants abused, neglected, abandoned my grandmother and mother [the effects of which I feel MYSELF]. But how "stupid" would that sound? There are no double standards with me. I have seen the worst and the best in various ethnic groups.
If I meet a man with whom I click and I can see a future with him, I going to be with him, plain and simple. I will not blame him for the hatred of his ancestors, just like I shouldn't hate black men for the past AND CURRENT actions of bad apples [who are spoiling the bunch]. |
Ntfs_encryption
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”According to statistics, there are far fewer white men with black women than there are black men with white women, yes. But I still wouldn’t count your statement as truth, fact or even close to reality.”
Why? Are you in denial?
”I think in order to get a more accurate picture, one must take into consideration the number of white men that Black women turn down, which is probably impossible to estimate but still….”
Doesn’t matter. The stats wouldn’t change dramatically or even appreciably.
”Black women seem to be more discriminating when dating outside of their race……”
That’s because black women as group are not getting overwhelmed by offers from non-black men. How many black women do you see with Asian men? I’m sure there are some relationships but I personally have not seen a black woman with an Asian man. I have seen more Latino men with black women than what I saw 15 years ago. And the women I have seen them with were certainly nothing to brag about nor would they ever get a second glance from the average man –white, black, or other. Surprising, but this is what I see. Same goes for the white men with black women that I have seen lately (which I have more of also). There was nothing even remotely attractive nor interesting about the majority of black women these white guys have. And I say so not to be critical or harsh. So don’t believe the hype that black women only date accomplished, professional and handsome non-black men. It’s not true!
”Whereas Black men have a reputation for dating whatever white woman comes their way, regardless of what she looks like. ”
Well, unfortunately, this is true. I will admit that.
”Black women expect white men to meet many standards that black men tend to overlook in white women. ”
Ya think? Then explain the ex-cons, crack heads, thugs, knuckleheads, hustlers, pimps, and assortment of other losers black women take up with. I have never seen a brother who was liar, cheater, fool, serially unemployed or wannabe playa who didn’t have women (plural –meaning more than one). And the over whelming majority of women they have are almost always black! So your suggestion that black women have exceptionally high standards and impeccable discretion when choosing and accepting mates isn't exactly true. Not to mention the fact that they are not getting nor are they desired by the so called cream of the white male pool. I take no glee in saying this but it is true. But to be fair, think black women are doing a very good job when you look at the choices they have (which are not very good).
So your contention that black women expect standards from white men that black men do not expect from white women holds no water. Not until you can explain why the massive majority of unemployable, bottom of the social barrel and pathetic black men are with black women. Where’s the so-called high standards at? Duuuuhhhhhh…..?
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"Ya think? Then explain the ex-cons, crack heads, thugs, knuckleheads, hustlers, pimps, and assortment of other losers black women take up with. I have never seen a brother who was liar, cheater, fool, serially unemployed or wannabe playa who didn’t have women (plural –meaning more than one). And the over whelming majority of women they have are almost always black"
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Urban_scribe
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Fortified, this is funny (strange) because I was just having this conversation with one of my teens yesterday.
I told him that some years back I was called for jury duty and a Black lady (50ish) was excused from duty because she openly stated, "I don't like Black people."
Of course, everyone was SHOCKED. But then she went on to explain herself. She said that everyone in her life who had ever mistreated her was Black. As a result, over the years she'd built up resentment toward Blacks; and as far as she was concerned if the defendant was Black then he was automatically guilty because, based on personal experience, she wouldn't put anything pass Black people.
Well, she was excused. I don't know if she made that up (just to get out of jury duty) or if she really felt that way. But she did seem sincere.
So, truthfully, I'm not sure if it does sound stupid or crazy to say hypothetically or factually my Black father abused my Black mother, therefore I would never date or marry a Black man because I fear he'll do to me what my father did to my mother.
Under those circumstances and raised in that sort of environment, that, in my book, would be a legitimate concern. Is it overblown? Yes. Is it unfair to all Black men who never even dreamed of raising a hand to a women? Yes. But that doesn't invalidate its legitimacy.
Although I am not in any way disregarding the detrimental impact of growing up around a Black father, grandfather, uncle, etc who beats his Black wife, I don't think this can be compared to systematic oppression and genocide against an ENTIRE race of people.
Nor do I feel we can compare not blaming ALL Black men for the terrible and inexcusable actions of the "bad apples" to Whites who today still benefit from the atrocities of their forefathers.
We do agree solidly on two things:
1)Sick and tired of Blacks not taking responsibility for themselves
2)Stay true to you, always
It's been fantastic communicating with you, Fortified. I'd love to sit here and continue this discussion but I have to run out. I've got a few errands, cook dinner for the kids, and start getting ready for my date tonight. Maybe I'll be able to slip in some beauty rest.
I'll be sure to check this thread tomorrow. Be well. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"And White women don't do this either?"
It doesn't matter what white women do! The subject and comment was about black women! The poster naively suggested that black women have higher standards of dating than black men. If this is true, then how do you explain why the over whelming number of pathetic black men losers have black women if black women exercised such discretionary and higher standards for dates and mates??????
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Ntfs_encryption
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"We do agree solidly on two things:
1)Sick and tired of Blacks not taking responsibility for themselves
2)Stay true to you, always"
That makes three of us!
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Misty
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"According to statistics, there are far fewer white men with black women than there are black men with white women, yes. But I still wouldn’t count your statement as truth, fact or even close to reality. I think in order to get a more accurate picture, one must take into consideration the number of white men that Black women turn down, which is probably impossible to estimate but still….Black women seem to be more discriminating when dating outside of their race….Whereas Black men have a reputation for dating whatever white woman comes their way, regardless of what she looks like. Black women expect white men to meet many standards that black men tend to overlook in white women."
this is very true tonya |
Misty
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"Urban_scribe, WE ALL KNOW THAT WHITE SLAVEMASTERS RAPED BLACK WOMEN. But WHO IS RAPING BLACK WOMEN NOW? It is a fact that black women are raped by black men 2x as much as white men rape white women. That is not even counting the rapes that black women don't report to the police.
The white men walking around today are NOT your slavemasters, nor your rapists. You are more likely to be raped by the man you call "brotha" than the one you call "cracka".
Yes, many [if not the majority of] white folks today (both men AND WOMEN) are racist and/or benefit from institutionalized racism, but these men aren't trying to rape/attack you. For the most part, they don't give a shit about you. And a growing number of black men don't give a shit about you either.
White women are also free to date and marry any black man they choose since they burned their bras waaaaaaaaaaaaay back. Nothing is stopping white women and black men from getting together. I am willing to bet that the majority of the time, black women are standing in their own damned way of finding a mate, no matter what his hue."
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Misty
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"This should put White women's minds at ease - at least when it comes to ME. That, and the fact that overwhelmingly White dates/marries White and Black dates/marries Black. So, I don't want a White guy anymore than he wants me. I turn down White men on a weekly basis. Except the one I had dinner with last Saturday. I'm seeing him again this evening. He's fucking gorgeous! 49, Lithuanian, MBA from Columbia, and a CFO at Merrill Lynch. But would I marry him - NOPE. Would I have a child with him - HELLLLL NO! Might fuck him, though, if he plays his cards right. BUT I'd drop him in a heartbeat for the first good Black man who comes along. Because, like I said, I don't want his ass - not longterm nor permanently. He's just a frog en route to finding my prince!"
ummm, have you or would you ever tell this to your lithuanian friend??????
if you dont want someone who's white then why lead them on? why nto stick to black men? its unfair to the person.
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Misty
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"Fortifed, I agree with everything you said in your last post. I have never viewed White men as an "attacker", or someone who will possibly rape me because of what happened in slavery. That is not my reality, and I don't see why it would relate to any Black women of today."
but believe it or not, a LOT of black women think liek this. They view white men as their only enemies and their attackers...its not that they think white men will rape them...its just that they think back aobut how their ancestors were done...from what ive seen black women accept and put up wiht way mroe from a black man than they would a white man and maybe this is why so many of them complain about "bad black men" yet claim white men will treat them right....its because msot of the time they lower their standards for black men but when it comes to white men they suddenly raise thier standards. |
Misty
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tonya, there's no sense in trying to convince ntfs or anyone else that there are tons of non-black men who are attracted to black women. Its pointless trying to convince them that black women actually DO have more choices because they will believe whatever will assuge their egos. If black women really wanted a non-black man they would be with them. Hell you can get anything if you want it bad enough. Even if the majority of non-black men arent attracted to black women...there's still enough of them who are attracted to black women to go around to where if a single black woman REALLY wanted them they could have them. Ive seen some of the most unattractive black women with white and other non-black men...so if they can go outside their race why wouldnt an average looking black woman be able to? the thing is most black women choose black men and feel the need to stick by black men. I dont know hardly any black women who want an asian man either (not that i find asians unattractive but MOST black women can be pretty superficial when it comes to asian men).
Anyway, men like ntfs are going to believe what they want. Let men who just ahve to think like this think what they want and whatever will best assuge their ego's because in the end i just live by my life. I live by my own personal experiences and know what i experience living as a black woman and fuck whoever says different or tries to convince me that im seeing things or that im in denial.
ive gotten into arguments with men about this before (even presented stats from other countries on interracial marriage)...its pointless because in the end they're going to fele the need to keep their egos in tact at all costs.
Anyway, it seems its mainly black american women who have this problem where they "can't" go outside their race but how do people explain the rather high interracial marriage rate of african, carribbean and mixed race black women in other countries? This goes simply to the fact that black women in other countries are more OPEN to interracial dating and marriages whereas black american women cant date interracial because they dont WANT to.
anyway, peace and have a nice day. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"You are more likely to be raped by the man you call "brotha" than the one you call "cracka".
Yes. And why is that? I have my theories on this. One of my theories is based on this country's racist history and practices. I'd love to hear your theories on this.
Why is that? Because they are sick violent criminals. They rape and beat black women because they know the American justice system is independent and uninterested in the violence and abuse of black women. Who really cares if a black woman is beaten, raped or violently murdered? If you have taken the time to notice, every single woman who is a nationally covered victim of a violent crime has been a white female –no exceptions! Regular and cable news broadcasts are saturated with reports of missing and murdered white women. On going news coverage of Abby Woods, Tiffany Marie Souers, Jessica Lunsford, Laci Peterson, Natalee Holloway and most recently, Michelle Gardner-Quinn, is typical of the message the media sends –black women and women of color do not count!
I just recently talked to a friend of mine about two weeks ago, who works as a counselor in drug prevention, spousal abuse and violent offenders. We talked for about and hour and a half and I was emotionally drained as he told me one story after another of the violence against black women. He told me the black men he worked with, some who were teenagers, saw nothing wrong with beating black women. Their reasoning? They felt violence was the only workable method for keeping your woman in place. It was disgusting.
Black men rape and abuse black women because they know the retributions against such behavior is marginal at best when enforced. A rapist is a sadist and deeply disturbed criminal. Don’t try to make excuses nor rationalize why someone beats a woman or rapes. And for the record, I’m not bashing black men because this has become a highly celebrated and popular blood sport on this discussion board. I’m just stating the facts. The majority of black men do not partake in this pathology. But those who do make the lives of many black women miserable if not termintated.
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Tonya
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Misty:
peace and have a nice day.
Same here. I agree 100% with your post. |
Abm
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Ladies,
Other than Urban_scribe, which of you sistas are CURRENTLY paired up with non-Black men?
And for those of you who do NOT have non-Black mates...WHY NOT? |
Fortified
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Abm, I am not in a serious relationship with anyone. I am dating one non-black male. Thanks for asking!  |
Misty
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my current boyfriend is white (hes a mixture of irish, german, and russian), ...been with him for about a year and a half now.
i hadnt stated any of this before because i didnt feel it was anybody's business and i know how alot of people on this board can get once they find something like that out and plus no one had ever asked me...BUT i dont mind YOU asking at all abm.
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Ntfs_encryption
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”Ultimately, however, I believe that Blacks have a CHOICE. We can perpetuate the negatives and the stereotypes, which is what the "White man" wants us to do.”
Oh Really? And why would he want you to do so? Why would he care? That tired cliché of the white man enjoying seeing black people implode is weak. The average white man cares about negative stereotypes of black people as much as the average black man concerns himself with negative stereotypes of whites. Get over it. Can we get some fresh ideas and sloganeering?
”OR, we can flip the script and accentuate the positives of Blacks and rebuild the Black community. Unfortunately, most Blacks choose to do the former because it's easier.”
So what exactly do you want to see done? What realistic vision do you have?
”However, those of us who wish to see and PARTICIPATE in the rebuilding of the Black community realize that, in the grand scheme of things, IR dating/marriage is NOT in the best interest of the Black community. Which is why when it comes to dating, I'll date any decent man of any background. BUT when it comes to marriage, procreation, growing old and building a future together, for me it's Black men EXCLUSIVELY.
”So, I don't want a White guy anymore than he wants me. I turn down White men on a weekly basis. Except the one I had dinner with last Saturday. I'm seeing him again this evening. He's fucking gorgeous! 49, Lithuanian, MBA from Columbia, and a CFO at Merrill Lynch. But would I marry him - NOPE. Would I have a child with him - HELLLLL NO! Might fuck him, though, if he plays his cards right.”
OMG! I can’t believe you wrote this! For some reason, I glossed over this initially and I did not fully read your post. But I took the time to review it for the second time and now I wish I hadn’t. You are full of it! You rally are. You remind me of the big Afro-dashiki brothers back in the day, who would spew the most virulent and hysterical forms of black nationalism and Amira Baraka style nation building rhetoric. Yet, when the sun was down and no one is looking, they were tipping off and sleeping with Crystal Aryaniski the blue-eyed, white blond. How are you any different? How??? You spout all this nationalistic black propaganda, admit you will date and fuck white men but you’re saving yourself for a brother (who may never come!!!), "because IR dating/marriage is NOT in the best interest of the Black community", smacks of the worst kind of hypocrisy and doublethink!
If you are dating and will date white men because they work better for you –fine! You don’t to explain that to me or anyone else –it’s your personal business and preference. I have no problems with that. But to arrogantly state that a white guy is handsome, great company, possibility a decent lover but I’m saving myself for a brother is suspect!!! You talk this race pride game and the evils of white racism yet you rationalize developing intimate relationships with a white man but saving the good stuff for the brothers! Yeah right! We are all so impressed and envious of you. I've seen too many Negroes like you playing this duplicitous mind trick game. You need to rethink and recalibrate your game –it’s weak!
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Brownbeauty123
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Ntfs, is it really that hard for a Black woman to marry a Black man? Sometimes you make it seem as if its virtually impossible. |
Ntfs_encryption
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i hadnt stated any of this before because i didnt feel it was anybody's business…….
Good. You shouldn’t have to. Like you said –it’s no ones business.
…….and i know how alot of people on this board can get once they find something like that out…….
That’s their problem, not yours. Let them rant and foam at the mouth over your personal life –one they have no control nor influence over.
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Misty
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"Let them rant and foam at the mouth over your personal life –one they have no control nor influence over."
i comletely agree with you ntfs, but i do it to save myself from headache and to be able to get my point across better.....alot of people once they find that out they view you differently....and some dont really take the time out to interpret what you say or do with a fresh mind...... because the idea that youre in an interracial relationship becomes the focus and it dampens whateever you have to say in their minds.
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Ntfs_encryption
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"Ntfs, is it really that hard for a Black woman to marry a Black man?"
Uhhhhhhhh....Not that I know of. I know plenty of black men and black women who are married. Not sure I understand what moitivated your question.
"Sometimes you make it seem as if its virtually impossible."
I see....and exactly how do I infer it is virtually impossible for a black woman to marry a black man? Such thinking has never crossed my mind. I know that it is difficult for many black women to find decent guys to date. This I understand and sympathize with black women. But I don't believe I have suggested it is virtually impossible for bw/bm marriages.
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Urban_scribe
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Ntfs,
You believe Whites want Blacks to succeed? If they did then why don't we have fair housing, educational, and employment opportunities? Why is the income of Blacks with the same skill, education and experience SIGNIFICANTLY less than that of our White counterparts? If you think that Whites aren't concerned with perpetuating negative stereotypes of Black then you are so out of the loop. The last thing Whites want Blacks to do is take pride in ourselves, think highly of ourselves, think highly of one another and unite. Whites are fully aware that the unification of a productive, positive, and progressive Black community IS NOT is the best interest of Whites.
Second, I am not a Black Nationalist. The fundamental belief of Black Nationalism is to separate from Whites, even leave the USofA and start a Black nation. I don't plan on going ANYWHERE. I want success, respect, and equality right here in the good ol' USofA. Why shouldn't I have that HERE? Why shouldn't all Blacks have that HERE? After all that we have put into this country, why should we not be allowed to enjoy the fruits of our labor HERE? So, again, I am not a Black Nationalist. I am not Afrocentric. I am not militant. However, I am pro-Black.
Pro-Black doesn't necessarily mean anti-White. That's YOUR interpretation. Pro-Black means concerning yourself first and foremost with the overall condition of the Black community and doing whatever's in your power to improve that community.
What I do, and I'm so glad you asked, is I tutor inner city Black children in Language Arts at libraries 8 hours per week (two days, four hours each). I'd like to volunteer more of my time, but at the moment it isn't possible. Reading and writing well is very important; especially when you consider that our ancestors were prohibited from learning how to do either.
Additionally, I volunteer as a holding nurse at two inner city hospitals. A holding nurse, in case you don't know, is just someone who spends time holding a baby. You don't need any special skills or training. If you've ever held a baby, you can be a holding nurse. The babies that I hold were all either born HIV+ or drug addicted or both. Most are premature. Studies show that babies, especially premature babies, that are held more thrive faster and have an increased chance of survival.
In most cases, the state has taken these babies away from their mothers and no family has claimed them. There isn't enough hospital staff to sit for an hour or two and just hold a baby. So volunteers are ALWAYS needed and sought for this. I am proudly one of those volunteers. Plus, drug addicted babies cry a lot more than "normal" babies and require a lot more soothing and cuddling while they go through withdrawal.
I also host free workshops for inner city teen mothers on time management and budgeting and proper nutrition. I am the Drama Director (another volunteer position) at an inner city elementary school (K-8) through Goodwill Industries. This is an afterschool program that I founded and coordinated then put together a proposal and approached Goodwill and they loved the idea; especially since they don't have to pay me. In this program, the children write plays about real-life situations and issues they face in their everyday lives. We address those issues then develop a wise and practical way to best handle those situations. We then rehearsh and learn our lines then perform the plays at various public schools throughout NYC.
These children's grades have improved. Their citywide reading and math scores have improved. Their self-confidence and outlook on life have improved. AND not to toot my own horn, but I've just received an award from the Mayor. AND FUNDING from the City of New York to keep the program going - for the next three years.
So, in a nutshell, the realistic vision I have is getting out there and making a positive difference, any way you can, in the Black communities where it's needed most - starting with our youth!
Blacks need to help Blacks. That's what pro-Black means to ME. If we waited around for Whites to help us, we'll all be on welfare, in the projects (modern-day plantations I call 'em) or some fucking Section 8 - RIGHT WHERE WHITEY WANTS US.
As long as Blacks continue drug dealing, gang banging, dropping out of school, too proud to flip burgers (but not too proud to sell drugs), Black men knocking up two, three, four women - often all at the same time - then running out on their responsibilies, Black women laying down with everything and anything and having five kids with five different fathers and wouldn't know what a marriage certificate looked like if it jumped up and slapped the living shit outta them, and as long as both Black males and females waste time blaming "the system" and think that this is the right way or the only way to live - then they'll always be RIGHT WHERE WHITEY WANTS THEM.
I COME FROM THE INNER CITY. The GHETTO. Though I no longer live there because I worked hard to get the fuck out the ghetto, I reach back into the inner city to do what I believe with all my heart and soul I am obligated to do as a Black woman. I go into some of the worst neighborhoods you can imagine. Neighborhoods YOUR ass is probably afraid to go into. Neighborhoods that you only want to acknowledge exist so you can separate yourself and prove to Whitey that "I'm not like them niggers."
My goal is to save ONE child. I can't save EVERYONE in the inner city. But of all the inner city children I work with, if I can just save ONE... If EVERY Black adult made it their personal mission in life to save ONE Black child, besides their own, we'll contribute to a more positive, productive and progress Black community.
Lastly, as far as my personal life is concerned, why shouldn't I do what men have done for years and continue to do? Men can pick and choose whom they want to and WILL sleep with and whom they want to and WILL marry. Many men, if not most, of ALL backgrounds, have women who they'll sleep with and women who they'll marry. Many White men will sleep with a Black woman but sure as hell won't marry her. When it comes to marriage - they'll stick with their own kind. Many Black men will also sleep with a White woman but sure as hell won't marry her. Again, when it comes to marriage - he'll stick with his own kind. So, how am I different or being any more hypocritical than you men?
When a woman does the very thing YOU MEN have been doing for years and years and years, suddenly her character is called into question. Suddenly, it becomes wrong. HA! Baby, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
So, I think YOU need to rethink and recalibrate YOUR game. YOUR shit is WEAK.
By the way, Ntfs, what EXACTLY do YOU do to better the Black community? If anything? What is YOUR realistic vision to better the Black community? If you have one?
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Serenasailor
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Tell that drip curl horsemouth nucca to get the fuck outta here with that bull shit. His black woman must have left him for a white man. In my lifetime, I have only met three black men who have never had a desire for white women, and these men were probably lying. Black men date/marry/breed interracially at twice the rate of black women. I am willing to bet that their desire to do so [if they haven't done it yet] is 1000X of black women. Nothing wrong with it, but I have a problem when black men are in denial about it.
You haven't met very many BM them Fortified. You sound like some white racist redneck and you accuse BM of having ignorant attitudes towards BW. WHAT A SHAME??? |
Fortified
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^^^^^^Learn to read WITH comprehension, Serena. Desiring a white woman has NOTHING to do with ignorant attitudes towards black women. A black man can do either of the two or both. |
Schakspir
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I just recently talked to a friend of mine about two weeks ago, who works as a counselor in drug prevention, spousal abuse and violent offenders. We talked for about and hour and a half and I was emotionally drained as he told me one story after another of the violence against black women. He told me the black men he worked with, some who were teenagers, saw nothing wrong with beating black women. Their reasoning? They felt violence was the only workable method for keeping your woman in place. It was disgusting.
Schakspir: That's that fucking pimp/thug mentality for you. |
Cynique
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Thank you, Urban-Scribe, for sharing your personal credo with us. Your social consciouness is very commendable, your street wise "credentials" impeccable and your free-wheeling feminism "right-on". But woven throughout the fabric of some of your expectations is the thread of Idealism. First of all, you attribute qualitites to your "nemesis" that it doesn't have. You expect equality and justice because this is the way things should be. But those in power don't maintain their control by having a sense of fairness. Power is about being ruthless, and being ruthless is about not sharing your power, because to do so is to risk losing it. Hoping that the United States of Caucasia will shatter the glass ceiling of racism and give its black minority equal footing is wishful thinking. It is not in its nature to do this. (Even Condoleeza Rice hold no substantive power; she is simply a mouthpiece for the neo-cons who put her in place to deflect their detractors and be the microphone of their message. Oprah represents a degree of power but her constituency of white suburban women would be no match for a cadre of monied white men.) Democracy and capitialism are actually the twin threats to the masses in this country because they give The Strong the freedom and wherewithal to exploit and dominate The Weak. The doctrine of Socialism is the salvation of the common man but this form of government nevers works because it always degenerates into - a power struggle. At the risk of being repetitious, I will remind that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Black people may be handed out a sliver of the pie and the crafty ones among us will squeeze it for all its worth but even if Obama rises to the office of Presidency, unless he mounts a coup d'tat, the pecking order in this country will continue to be determined by status and wealth. And I say all of this to say that overthrowing the government in power is the only way real change will occur. But the reform such a rebellion would bring about would eventually dissipate because - you guessed it; those who acquire power, do not share it... So blacks have to establish their own little power bases within the spheres of their personal worlds. Being the community activist and independent woman that you are is, in itself, empowering. And money isn't everything... And - these are the observations of a powerless cynic who had a very hard declaring that "money isn't everything"! LOL.
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Cynique,
I ALWAYS benefit from your wisdom.
I confess, I AM something of a dreamer. But sometimes dreams come true. Maybe ONE of mine will. |
Abm
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Fortified & Misty,
Thanks for answering my questions.
Urban_scribe,
Unlike you, I'm not avowedly against interracial couplings. And prior to marrying my BLACK wife, I did some multicolored cQQchiying. But things never got deep enuff between us for there to ever be much of a question about marriage. Well...at least that how things were for ME. |
Urban_scribe
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ABM,
PERSONALLY, I am not against IR marriage. I really don't care PERSONALLY who anyone chooses to sleep with. That's none of my business.
However, CULTURALLY, I am against IR marriage.
Let me explain that. From what I've witnessed, the darker ethnic group ALWAYS loses out. When someone White marries someone Asian, let's say, the children produced from that union almost never speak their Asian language, eat a typical Asian diet, follow or even know traditional Asian customs or much of anything about their Asian culture.
Those children generally have little contact with other Asians, outside of immediate family. So they become immersed in White culture, language, diet, etc and often time, go on to marry White themselves. Within just a few generations everything Asian about them dies.
I've witnessed the same phenomena happen in Black/White IR marriages. The only thing children of B/W IR marriages seem to know about Black History is MLK. They don't have a regular diet of red beans and rice but they do have a regular diet of franks and beans. For dessert, it's apple pie not sweet potato. They don't visit Black museums, and again, the interaction with Blacks outside their family is nil. AND AGAIN, they usually go on to marry White. So, within a few generations everything that is Black about them dies.
There is NEVER a perfect balance between the two cultures; the darker culture almost always receives less importance, less focus, and within a few generations it is lost completely.
Interestingly enough, I've witnessed the reverse when TWO dark ethnicities marry, i.e., Black/Asian marriages.
In these instances, the darker culture overrules. That's because Asians, for the most part, don't consider half-Black Asians as being "really Asian;" whereas many, if not most, Blacks would consider someone half-Black-half-Asian as Black.
Of course there are exceptions to EVERYTHING. But the above is what I've observed to be overwhelmingly true, and this is what has shaped my thinking on the subject of IR marriage. Therefore, I don't believe that IR marriage is in the best interest of ANYONE who'd like to preserve their culture. BUT, to each his own, eh? |
Serenasailor
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Misty you are not Black anyway so why would we care who you date? You are just a another "WW" dating a WM.
Its funny to me how we live in a culture that allows "Mariah Carey" types to represent us without a blink of an eye. |
Fortified
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Urban_scribe, how many BLACK families are that entrenched in "Black culture"? How many full black children actually know their history, have a strong sense of self and are equipped to live in this society? These days, it seems like the "loss of blackness" attributed to interracial breeding only manifests itself esthetically. |
Urban_scribe
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Fortified wrote:
Urban_scribe, how many BLACK families are that entrenched in "Black culture"?
The short answer: Mine. The long answer: I do not know EVERY Black family. Neither do you or anyone else. Therefore, this is a loaded question - impossible to answer.
How many full black children actually know their history, have a strong sense of self and are equipped to live in this society?
See long answer above.
As a side note, if Black children don't know their history, etc, it's the parents' fault, NOT the children's. Additionally, it becomes increasingly difficult to teach a Black child his history and culture and to instill within him a sense of pride for his history and culture when one of his parents is NOT Black.
These days, it seems like the "loss of blackness" attributed to interracial breeding only manifests itself esthetically.
Then how do you explain the current "mixed race movement"?
On the 2000 US Census, for the VERY FIRST TIME in this country's history, citizens were allowed to check "all that apply" under the racial categories due to the rising political clout of mixed race identified people who lobbied and petitioned to NOT BE FORCED to identify as Black.
The present mixed race "push" is to have a MULTIRACIAL category included on the 2010 US Census.
Clearly, the "loss of Blackness" manifests itself FAR BEYOND the aesthetic.
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At any rate, you and I obviously have had different life experiences therefore different perspectives on this subject. I don't believe you'll ever see things my way or I'll ever see things your way. Perhaps that's a good thing.
But I think rather than going in circles, there comes a point and time when people just have to agree to disagree. I believe we've reached that point. I, thusly, resign from further commentary on this thread. I'm moving over to the Janet's boyfriend getting the boot thread. I haven't looked at that one yet. Be well. |
Misty
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"Misty you are not Black anyway so why would we care who you date? You are just a another "WW" dating a WM.
Its funny to me how we live in a culture that allows "Mariah Carey" types to represent us without a blink of an eye."
serena, is you crazy????? (you got me rolling over here) LOLLOL
i'm nowhere even CLOSE to being a mariah carey type...i'm closer to a rosario dawson type...i dont look anywhere NEAR white....
im more like a light reddish brown... My complexion is right in between tais araujo and rosario dawson's .....only my hair is much nappier and much much thicker.
it just trips me out that people assume you look close to white because you describe yourself as light skinned.
i'm a little lighter than tais and a little darker than rosario
here are some pictures of tais araujo below
http://www.alfredoonline.blogger.com.br/thais_araujo.jpg
http://www.escaner.cl/escaner10/xica2.jpg
http://mr-1666.v-mirror.spb.ru/actors/Araujo/4/araujo4_13.jpg
rosario dawson
http://www.askmen.com/specials/2005_top_99/celebs/47d_rosario_dawson.jpg
http://content.clearchannel.com/Photos/female_celebrities/rosario_dawson/rosario _dawson_2_GI.jpg
http://www.rumela.com/albums/rosario_dawson/rosario_dawson05.sized.jpg
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Misty
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"Let me explain that. From what I've witnessed, the darker ethnic group ALWAYS loses out. When someone White marries someone Asian, let's say, the children produced from that union almost never speak their Asian language, eat a typical Asian diet, follow or even know traditional Asian customs or much of anything about their Asian culture.
Those children generally have little contact with other Asians, outside of immediate family. So they become immersed in White culture, language, diet, etc and often time, go on to marry White themselves. Within just a few generations everything Asian about them dies."
but urban it depends on how the child is raised....if the child is raised asian and also to be proud of their asian culture, the asian heritage does not ahve to die out. |
Fortified
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Misty, you must be really pretty. |
Misty
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"I've witnessed the same phenomena happen in Black/White IR marriages. The only thing children of B/W IR marriages seem to know about Black History is MLK. They don't have a regular diet of red beans and rice but they do have a regular diet of franks and beans. For dessert, it's apple pie not sweet potato. They don't visit Black museums, and again, the interaction with Blacks outside their family is nil. AND AGAIN, they usually go on to marry White. So, within a few generations everything that is Black about them dies."
i havent notice dthis to be true at all though where mixed race kids marry white....those kids are still counted as black in the census and msot of them marry black. while there are manyt differences in the way they're raised there are also many similarities in the way they're raised when compared to blacks.
they do culturally black things just like any other black person like basketball, hip hop, they're more likely to live in the ghetto than in a trailer park or in the suburbs. they certainly arent treated like white people...not even treated as good as hispanics or asians.
i think the difference in a person of black/white mixture and one of asian/white mixture is the black parents of biracial children (while they may oftentimes be self-hating) they arent nearly as self-hating as an asian parent with a biracial child.
we thiink colorism and self-hatred is bad amongst blacks, go to asia, they make us look like saints when it coems to this stuff. Most asian/white kids ive seen tend to identify as white, whereas the black/white kids either identify as black or biracial.
"Interestingly enough, I've witnessed the reverse when TWO dark ethnicities marry, i.e., Black/Asian marriages.
In these instances, the darker culture overrules. That's because Asians, for the most part, don't consider half-Black Asians as being "really Asian;" whereas many, if not most, Blacks would consider someone half-Black-half-Asian as Black."
this may be because black asians tend to look more black than asian with the acception of kimora lee simmons. alot of black asians look more afrocentric than black americans because there are plenty people in africa with slanted eyes and epicathnic (sp?) folds.
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Misty
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"Misty, you must be really pretty."
(blushing)...lol, thanks fortified. not bragging but ive gotten alot of compliments...lol
peace |
Abm
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Urban_scribe,
I view interracial coupling similarly as I do homosexuality: It's not necessarily wrong with it in/of itself. But A LOT of it will inevitably effect others. And some of those effects will be negative. |
Ntfs_encryption
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”You believe Whites want Blacks to succeed? If they did then why don't we have fair housing, educational, and employment opportunities?”
Because there is a large number of blacks who refuse to do so. No one is oppressing them, limiting their choices nor opportunities other themselves. This tired mantra of blaming the white man for the woes and ills of reckless black behavior has ran its course. I’m not suggesting racism does not exist and I don’t think any fair minded person would deny this country still has racial issues and problems (unless they are conservative Republicans). But racism alone in itself does not explain nor justify the abyss of violence, drugs, illegitimacy, gangs and dismal academic performance of the black underclass. Blaming the white man for issues that black people (and only black people!) can solve, serves no purpose other than allow the pathology to flourish unabated and unquestioned.
The city I came from is currently awash in black crime and violence. When I lived there as a youth, bigotry and racism was much more rampant and endemic. Not anymore. But somehow, blacks have been rolling and running backwards down a slippery slope of self destructive behavior. The statistics of crime, drugs abuse, violence and illegitimacy that exists today, was nothing like that when I lived there as a youngster. When I go back to visit family and friends –the only thing they can talk about is how bad it is and how it never was like that when we where young. But according to you, the white man is creating these conditions and forcing black men to impregnate black women and leave them, young blacks beating and shooting one another at will and defacing their community with the blight of graffiti and tagging. Sorry, I don’t think so!
”Why is the income of Blacks with the same skill, education and experience SIGNIFICANTLY less than that of our White counterparts?"
We all know this. Once again, no one is denying the fact that the playing field is not equal. But why are blacks not taking the opportunities and jobs that do exisit? Did you know that every single black person that I grew up with is doing very well for themselves? They all own homes, have carreers and jobs, completed high school, went to college and graduated, they are married with families, never been to jail, joined a gang nor are crack heads. Why? Racism was much more of a factor then than what it is now. I personally see black people ingoring opportunites for education, training and jobs. NO ONE IS DENYING THEM ANYTHING NOR OPPRESSING THEM! THEY ARE OPPRESSING THEMSELVES!
When I was at ATG at NAVSAT San Diego about five years ago, I saw four black Naval officers standing together talking. There were three LT. Commanders and one LT. I thought to myself how far blacks have come. When I was young in the Navy, YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT! IT DIDN’T EXIST! I saw many black Warrant Officers, senior NCOS (E-8, E-9) going about their day. But what really blew me away was when I saw a black Rear Admiral (LH) coming out of a building. That black Admiral was a black woman!!! Simply did not exist when I was a young sailor.
This information may seem trivial and pointless to you but the reason I mentioned any of it was to make a point. Those black commissioned officers, Warrant Officers and SNCO’s worked their way up to the senior rank they have. The Commissioned officers were former enlisted who took advantage of various LDO and Commission Officer programs and applied to become Naval officers. RACISM DID NOT STOP THEM! None were told they could not achieve the rank they achieved. The doors that were open to them were not open to their parents or grandparents. They wanted to advance and succeed and they did. AGAIN, RACISM DID NOT PREVENT THEM FROM ACHIEVING WHAT THEY WANTED. HAS RACISM PREVENTED YOU FROM ACHIEVING ANYTHING YOU HAVE DESIRED? IT’S NEVER STOPPED ME.
”If you think that Whites aren't concerned with perpetuating negative stereotypes of Black then you are so out of the loop. The last thing Whites want Blacks to do is take pride in ourselves, think highly of ourselves, think highly of one another and unite.”
What stereotypes? Black people stereotype themselves! Those images (or stereotypes as you call them) are real! THEY EXIST AND THEY ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES! THEY ARE PLENTIFUL AND CAN FOUND WHERE EVER YOU FIND BLACK PEOPLE! If you find the stereotypes offensive, it is black people who must confront and address the negative images! You don’t see stereotypes of Asian women having the majority of their children out of wedlock. Why? Because that does not exist! You do not see stereotypes of Jews with broken families and crack dealing. Why? Because Jews are not dong that! Do you see stereotypes of whites with graffiti splattered neighborhoods, drive by shootings and men standing on corners with 40 ounces? Why? Because such scenes would be highly out of character for the average all white neighborhood! Do you see stereotypes of Asian children with low math scores? Why? Because it ain’t happening –that’s why! But all of the aforementioned conditions would not be unusual for black communities in Cleveland, Detroit, New Orleans, LA, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Camden, Baltimore, St Louis, Huston, or Atlanta. All have large black populations. What?? Are you going to deny any of this???
”Whites are fully aware that the unification of a productive, positive, and progressive Black community IS NOT is the best interest of Whites.”
Really? If the majority of black women were married to the fathers of their children, if there was relatively low crime in black communities, if 96% of adult black people were working and paying taxes, buying homes, going to college, had low incarceration for black men and non-existent drug abuse and addiction, how would such conditions adversely affect the quality of life of the average working class white person? And how exactly do they benefit from black social pathology and violence? Please list the details……
”What I do, and I'm so glad you asked, is I tutor inner city Black children in Language Arts at libraries 8 hours per week (two days, four hours each). I'd like to volunteer more of my time, but at;……………Plus, drug addicted babies cry a lot more than "normal" babies and require a lot more soothing and cuddling while they go through withdrawal.
I also host free workshops for inner city teen mothers on time management and budgeting and proper nutrition. I am the Drama Director (another volunteer position) at an inner city elementary school (K-8) through Goodwill Industries. This is…………”
Good. I applaud you for doing so. Your civic participation is to be commended. Please continue to do so.
”As long as Blacks continue drug dealing, gang banging, dropping out of school, too proud to flip burgers (but not too proud to sell drugs), Black men knocking up two, three, four women - often all at the same time - then running out on their responsibilies, Black women laying down……………………both Black males and females waste time blaming "the system" and think that this is the right way or the only way to live - then they'll always be RIGHT WHERE WHITEY WANTS THEM.”
Well look at this! We both agree about the inexcusable and reckless behavior of many blacks! We both agree that this self destructive behavior is voluntary and no one is responsible for negative consequences it brings other than those who willfully participate in it. We both agree that a 16 year old black girl with two babies is not the white mans fault. We can also agree when a young black man who picks up a gun and murders another black man, is not the fault of the white man. And we both recognize that the failure of black schools ultimately lays at the feet of black parents who fail to organize, protest, confront and demand safer schools and more effective teaching for their children. Good. Where we do disagree is your misguided belief that whites take great glee in seeing black students fail academically, rejoicing at a black illegitimacy that is almost three times as high as it was 1965 and clapping their hands at the staggering statistics of black on black crime and violence.
Just who are these racist white people who squeal with joy at seeing black gangs torment the powerless residents of their own communities and the seemingly bottomless pit of impoverished, unwed and uneducated young black women with multiple children? Are they Skinheads? Yeah, probably. Are they David Duke supporters and members of the Aryan Nation? I wouldn’t question that. Or are they everyday struggling working class whites? Better yet, are they the majority of white Americans? And once again, how does the average working class white person benefit from black crime, illegitimacy, gangs, black unemployment or indefensible black violence? How?? Please provide more details and make your case.
”I go into some of the worst neighborhoods you can imagine. Neighborhoods YOUR ass is probably afraid to go into. “
Wow! That’s interesting –I’m afraid to go into hard core black neighborhoods? And why is that? Because you said so? LMAO!!!! First of all, you’re right. I don’t go into violent-crime ridden neighborhoods. But not for the reasons you think. I have no need nor reason to do so. But for the record, as a former Corrections Officer, I had to deal with gang bangers, murderers, rapists, drug dealers, trash talking thugs and career criminals on a daily basis! I had to look them eye to eye and deal with their bullshit everyday. But they respected me and I never had a problem because they knew when I was in that Pod with them, all the psyche head games, intimidation and threats meant nothing! The crap that may have worked on the CO the shift before me was now null and void! THEY KNEW THAT! And as far as being physical, no problem!
Excluding my physical confrontations and restraints as a CO, when I was in the military, I was TAD in the Philippines with the PROVOST MARSHAL Military Police and I had to do one on one take downs and apprehensions with drunken and violent Sailors and Marines constantly. Fights and bar room brawls where the order of the day. I looked forward to it. No problem. So, unlike you, I’m more than capable of physically handling myself nor do I wilt in a stare down or vocal attempts at intimidation.
”Neighborhoods that you only want to acknowledge exist so you can separate yourself and prove to Whitey that "I'm not like them niggers."
First of all, I don’t have to prove anything to Whitey. Why should I? Anyone who knows me, white, black or other, already knows I’m not one of the “niggers” (your favorite word –not mine!) you speak so affectionately of. So no, I am not like them! Why am I different? Because I don’t sell nor use drugs, gang bang, assault and intimidate innocent and helpless people, I don’t use profanity in public to get attention, I don’t urinate in public, paint graffiti and tag any vertical surface available, I don’t impregnate, walk away and leave women, I don’t refer to black women as bitches, skanks, hoochies, cunts and whores, I don’t steal, burglarize homes and cars, never been arrested, I never publicly nor in private call other black people niggers, nucca’s, niggaz’s, nikkas and other racially sub-conscious self hating epitaphs, I don’t abuse nor have I ever physically assaulted a woman in my life and I’m not obnoxious, loud and vulgar when in public. There ya have it.
I don’t have to prove I do not partake in any of the aforementioned social ills to Whitey. So you’re right -I’m not like the rest of “them niggers!” I’m a black man –not a nigger! And none of your whiny excuse making blame the white man for the self destructive pathology and victimization mantras of black people can change it! Ya got that…??!!!
”Lastly, as far as my personal life is concerned, why shouldn't I do what men have done for years and continue to do? Men can pick and choose whom they want to and WILL sleep with …………Again, when it comes to marriage - he'll stick with his own kind. So, how am I different or being any more hypocritical than you men?
Well, since you said “you men”, I guess I’m included in this villianization. Sorry, I’m not part of this group that you have described. I don’t play those types of games with women. But what I find disturbing is your attempt to justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. As if that gives you a free pass to do so. People are free to sleep, date and marry with whom they wish. But I have problems with people who talk the race game, sleep with members of the group they demonize and justify it by claiming they will only marry within their own group. That my dear, IS HYPOCRISY –I DON’T CARE WHO IS DOING IT. MALE OR FEMALE –IT DOES NOT MATTER. AND YOU ARE STILL A HYPROCRITE! Your focusing on what black men do to justify what you do does not make you any less of a hypocrite and a double-talker than they are. E’nuff said…..
”So, I think YOU need to rethink and recalibrate YOUR game. YOUR shit is WEAK.
Oh really? How so? Because I don’t moan and wail about the evils of the white racism while arrogantly claiming I will freely have sex and date a white person –but I won’t marry one? I don’t think so. That’s what you do. Not me!
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Ntfs_encryption
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"Tell that drip curl horsemouth nucca to get the fuck outta here with that bull shit. His black woman must have left him..........I am willing to bet that their desire to do so [if they haven't done it yet] is 1000X of black women. Nothing wrong with it, but I have a problem when black men are in denial about it."
Well, well, well….SissySailor is back! Back to his typical rock throwing and irrelevant stupid caustic remarks. First of all, I find it ironic that you have anything to say about what black men and women of any race do. Your intrinsic interest is what men and men do –not men and women! So why are you kibitzing in something that has nothing to do with you? Instead of spewing your militant wannabe Malcolm rants, you should be focusing on finding a good proctologist to remove those five or six used condoms stuck deep inside your ass and try reading a book and learning something. I have yet so see you engage in a mature or interesting politically/socially engaging conversation yet. Instead, your 25 brain cell comments and toxic remarks are limited to rappers, actors, silly racist white people comments and light and dark complexioned people. NOTHING ELSE –EVER!
But perhaps I should not be so critical of you since cruising gay bath houses and bars and teaching your illegal Mexican butt boy English, probably consumes a lot of your time. I suggest you cut down your lovers to perhaps two or three men at most and focus on getting your male Mexican sex slave legal residency. That could possibly give you more time to read and join the rest of the literate world.
And as far as you comment; “ Nothing wrong with it, but I have a problem when black men are in denial about it”, is concerned –I have the same issue with you! A black man who loves the dick and enjoys anal activity with other men and but when confronted with it, lies and denies it, doesn’t sit well with me either. Hypocrites should not question the ethics of others! Got that!!??
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Urban_scribe
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Ntfs,
I thought this shit was squashed! You said what you had to say; I said what I had to say - and that's that. Often there is no right or wrong - it's just the way people look at things. Whatever works best for them and whatever their conscience allows them to live with, yadda, yadda, yadda. Going in circles is pointless.
Your coming back to answer my post and keep bullshit going 4 days later proves how petty you are. You've been posting all over the forum so you can't say you weren't around to address this sooner. I could understand responding a day later, maybe even two, BUT FOUR FUCKING DAYS LATER! Geesh, talk about someone so juvenile and desperate to be right that you have to have the last word. Let it go, dude.
You are such a pompous-self-important-holier-than-thou asshole! With your lack-luster attempts at sarcasm and your futile attempts at innuendo. Your uhs and your duhs. AND YOU STILL NEVER STATED WHAT IT IS YOU DO PERSONALLY TO HELP BETTER THE BLACK COMMUNITY. From what I see, your angle is SOLELY blaming the Black community for the condition it's in. You happily overlook the root cause of the problem. Uncle Sam trained you well. And you say you're not a nigger - HA!
From this point onward, I think it's best to ignore YOU.
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Cynique
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Well, so much for my presumptuous gesture of pronouncing Urban-Scribe as a "voice of reason and civility". LOL. But I ain't mad at her. She has just joined the ranks of those ignited by indignation. This board really isn't a venue for the faint of heart, is it? And so it goes. |
Brownbeauty123
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NTFS, you sound like a Stormfront Nationalist...I *hope* you are not a WN who is posing as a black person on this site...hmmmm |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2006 - 05:13 pm: |
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”I thought this shit was squashed! You said what you had to say; I said what I had to say - and that's that. Often there is no right or wrong - it's just the way people look at things. Whatever works best for them and whatever their conscience allows them to live with, yadda, yadda, yadda. Going in circles is pointless.”
No problem and I agree. But you made some comments I wanted to respond to. And to be honest, I think we both agreed on certain things more than we disagree. The major difference is this factitious belief that white people clap their hands with glee and giggle at the massive failures and chaos of black under class. This is where you and I disagree. And you would be hard pressed to prove your point.
”Your coming back to answer my post and keep bullshit going 4 days later proves how petty you are. You've been posting all over the forum so you can't say you weren't around to address this sooner. I could understand responding a day later, maybe even two, BUT FOUR FUCKING DAYS LATER! Geesh, talk about someone so juvenile and desperate to be right that you have to have the last word. Let it go, dude. ”
Ok…ok…ok…. I thought about how to answer this but I decided to be nice. Yes, the post was very late. I had some time yesterday and I was testing out my new laptop so I decided to respond to what you wrote. I had intended to do so. Why? Not because I have to have the last word or that I am juvenile as you have suggested. The reason I wrote that long response (yes –it as long but I was rolling and I had fun writing it) was because you had written a long post in response to what I had written. I felt since you had taken the time to write a post and explain your position, it would be civil and respectful for me to respond. If someone directs a long post at me, I feel it is rude to ignore what they wrote since they did take the time to do so. Besides, I like the banter and challenge of civil discourse. I WAS NOT TRYING TO BE PETTY! You took the time to write a response and I wanted to reply to let you know I did read what you wrote. So, you are correct, it was a very late response and I apologize for this. I have done this before and I need to be more timely with my responses. Again, I apologize for the belated response. I had written half of it but I never completed the other half until yesterday. Again, being petty or juvenile or wanting to have the last word is not my thing. Ok…?
”You are such a pompous-self-important-holier-than-thou asshole! With your lack-luster attempts at sarcasm and your futile attempts at innuendo. ”
Holier than thou? Lackluster? Futile attempts at innuendo? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! I don’t think so my dear. There were no attempts at innuendo or lack luster verbiage. I was very direct and empathic about every thing I wrote. Ambiguity was no where in my post. You may not have liked what I wrote but you cannot disprove nor realistically refute anything I said. Don’t be so emotional. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
”Your uhs and your duhs. AND YOU STILL NEVER STATED WHAT IT IS YOU DO PERSONALLY TO HELP BETTER THE BLACK COMMUNITY. ”
What do I do? In a word: Nothing! I’m not a social worker nor am I trying to be a social crusader. I have a very active and full life. I have problems finding time for my own personal projects and interests. But for the record, I see where you are going with this so I’m going to shut it down before you get started. How do you feel about the war in Iraq? I’m willing to bet you don’t like it –do you? But have you ever been forward deployed? Have you ever been in a hostile combat zone? Have you ever been to the Persian Gulf? Kuwait? Saudi Arabia? UAE? Bahrain? Oman? Sat off the coast of Iraq and Iran for months? Have you ever tracked an Iranian F-4? No? I didn’t think so. I have. Been there and down that –a few times! My point is although you have never been in harms way of the Persian Gulf you still have a right to an opinion. You are an American citizen and a tax payer. So you have the right question our military involvement even though you have never had any participation in the military nor physical proximity to the war zone. However, you think since I do not run a drug rehab center, work with gang bangers or take impoverished inner city children to museums on the weekend, I have no right to criticize black social pathology them. Is this correct? If so -you’re WRONG!!! I have every right to do so!
Since you have never worked with or physically handled criminal offenders, do you have a right to criticize criminals and the justice system? I think so. You have the right to criticize anything you want to. That’s why it’s called a free society. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT! Why would I not have an opinion about reckless and irresponsible behavior? Why would I remain silent about the self destructive behavior of people who affect the lives of society as a whole? Why would I not have an opinion about an uneducated impoverished women who have 3,4,5,6…. children by numerous men? And am I to ignore the irresponsible behavior of the men who perpetrate this behavior? Every one has opinions and beliefs my dear and everyone has a right to express those beliefs and opinions whether they are on the frontline or not!
Oh yeah, for the record once again, I used to do voluntary work at a church teaching and tutoring black children in math and English –waaaaayyy before you ever knew anything about volunteer work. I also volunteered to help maintain a network and teach black Africans (there are a number of African outreach programs and facilities in my city) how to build and configure computers a year ago. So I have done my part. Unfortunately, because of time restraints, I can’t do this anymore. But even if I had never done anything, that does no strip me of my right to voice my opinion –just like you have never participated in the military nor been to the war zone, your opinions about this disastrous war are still valid! So don’t even waste your time with your "what are you doing for the ghetto rhetoric". IT AIN’T GONNA WORK –YA GOT THAT!!!
”From what I see, your angle is SOLELY blaming the Black community for the condition it's in. ”
Never said that! There you go again, cherry picking your silly arguments. The majority of problems black people face are the problems they created. And the government, the white man or whoever else, cannot change any of it! ONLY BLACK PEOPLE CAN! No one can make you stop having babies out of wedlock, participating in senseless street crime, dropping out of school, not participating in the education of your children, degrading black women, walking away and refusing to support your children, publicly calling other blacks the same racist names that were created to strip blacks of their humanity, defacing your community with the blight of graffiti, taking drugs, etc, etc,. YOU HAVE THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE OR NOT INDULGE IN SUCH SELF DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR! What part do you not understand?? And why are you in such denial??
”You happily overlook the root cause of the problem. ”
I don’t happily over look anything –you do! You seem to be struggling with the reality of personal human failure and irresponsibility. Not me. The obvious seems to elude you.
”Uncle Sam trained you well. And you say you're not a nigger - HA! ”
True. I did get years of extremely valuable technical training in electronics, electricity and radar maintenance and operations, supervisory, counseling and management skills. I’ve been to both civilian and military technical schools. The difference is like night and day. I was shocked. The military technical training is far superior. I’ve done two instructor and curriculum development tours before, I should know.
If you’re referring to the way I think, I’ve felt this way all my adult life -way before I was ever in the military. Has nothing to do with the government -period! Many of my friends have never had any association with the government in any capacity. They feel exactly like I do. In fact, I talked to two of them yesterday, one is a medical doctor and the other is substance abuse counselor. Their sentiments mirror mine. What does the government have to do with it? Duhhhhhhh…? And your cavalier use of the “n” word says more about you than me. I’m surprised you can’t see this.
”From this point onward, I think it's best to ignore YOU. ”
Do your thing! Just because you got beat up doesn’t mean you should quit. Just rethink your misguided thinking and cease your excusing making and denial of the obvious. I think you’ll be alright. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 6740
Registered: 04-2004
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Ntfs,
HAHAHAHA!!!
Man. You crack me the fuhk up. Because I know dayam well you are being DELIBERATE by doingthis kinda shyt. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 1067
Registered: 10-2005
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BB123 Said: "NTFS, you sound like a Stormfront Nationalist...I *hope* you are not a WN who is posing as a black person on this site...hmmmm"
Oh? I see..... And what exactly did I say that leads you to believe I could possibly be a white racist? Please point out where I made harsh racist and derogatory statements about black people. Please quote a statement I made that was completely false and fabricated. Not what you think -but what I actually wrote that denigrated black men and women. My posts were very lengthy so I’m sure you can find something. Details please....
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Teresarae
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Username: Teresarae
Post Number: 3
Registered: 11-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2006 - 05:19 pm: |
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I wrote on this in my book. Please see my post as well.
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