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Brownbeauty123
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 05:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she ghetto & ugly?



If so, why?
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 05:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)



What about Foxy Brown?
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 05:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What about Charli Baltimore? late Notorious BIG's ex girlfriend

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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 06:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know it when I see it.

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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 07:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The first woman isn't "ugly", she looks like a normal, everyday chick --but her attire is definitely "ghetoo". Her clothes and her facial expression make her look too "tough" --like she's ready to curse someone out.

Second pic (I think it's Foxy Brown). She's gorgeous, but I don't think her choice of clothes compliments just how beautiful of a young woman she really is. Also, she has an amazing build and is quite well-off. She can afford to dress better than she does. However, I don't consider her style "ghetto" --it's more.....more....tasteless and unrefined....like "new money". Her style kinda reminds me of Britney Spears.


Charli Baltimore is "ghetto" and unattractive. I don't think her face is pretty at all. Her "attitude" (she's "hard" as shyt) and her wardrobe absolutely suck too!!!!!!!

The last pic, she just looks "hard". She'd proably be much, much more attractive if she ditched the clown hair and make-up. Outfit is TERRible, and the nails are yuck (I dislike fake nails/"tips"). Her facial structure is nice, though. I think she would look really good with locs, curly "straw" set, twists, or an afro. She has a decent frame as well. She has a lot of potential!!!!



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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 08:27 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm more intrigued with why anybody would - either intentionally or not - associate ghetto with ugly, BB.
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 10:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Ghetto" is just a euphenism for "working class chic," which is tawdry and in-your-face by nature. Check out those Italian, Jewish and Irish girls in Boston, New Jersey and New York. Talk about "ghetto"--accents, hair, etc. The same shit exists in London's East End and Kreuzberg(Berlin), too.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:13 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

if you want an example of ghetto "use any woman from off of flavor of love".

your not supposed to be using getty images without permission bb123, i know you didn't get rights and because i know you can't afford them.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 11:21 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya, a lot of the young folks nowadays do.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 11:33 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BROWNbeauty, lot of the young folks nowadays are shooting themselves in the foot, because, A LOT OF TIMES...ghetto is seen as anything BLACK.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And another thing love....ugly is just ugly...

If you are a woman, you can use perfect diction, handle yourself with all the grace one could muster and you could copy the prevailing notion of class to the letter...if you're ugly, you'll still have to work extra hard in life and you might end up alone. Sad, but the hardcore truth. But on the other hand, if you're pretty, you can be as ghetto as you wanna be as long as the brothas want to fuck you...and the sistahs want to be you. Folks might run in here to tell you different, but trust me girl, it's the hardcore truth. Life is not fair.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Being ghetto, as opposed to being from the ghetto, is a state of mind which may or may not be conveyed externally thru dress, speech and mannerisms. Being from or living in the ghetto doesn't necessarily make a person "ghetto." But that's just my opinion about it.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oops,Beauty, let me rephrase that to make better sense...

If you are a woman AND YOU'RE UGLY, you can use perfect diction, handle yourself with all the grace one could muster and you could copy the prevailing notion of class to the letter...you'll still have to work extra hard in life and you might end up alone. Sad, but the hardcore truth. But on the other hand...
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

^^^^^^^^^True (what Tonya wrote), but "ghetto" and "cute" does not mean that a woman won't be left alone because, as society proves, a lot of men will pacify (buy "stuff", pay rent, etc.) a "cute", "ghetto" chick (until they get what they want --which is booty), phuck her, usually impregant her-- then-- when she's used up and her a$$ and tits are to the floor --they'll leave her and quickly move onto the next "cute", "ghetto" chick. "Sad, but the hardcore truth."





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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Moonsigns,

These days, what you describe is happening to A LOT of women who we'd NOT necessarily tab "ghetto".
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:44 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You're right about that, Abm!
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That is why women have to teach their daughters how to respect their womanhood. Do you want me to get started?

LMAO!
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 12:59 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

True (what Tonya wrote), but "ghetto" and "cute" does not mean that a woman won't be left alone because, as society proves, a lot of men will pacify (buy "stuff", pay rent, etc.) a "cute", "ghetto" chick (until they get what they want --which is booty), phuck her, usually impregant her-- then-- when she's used up and her a$$ and tits are to the floor --they'll leave her and quickly move onto the next "cute", "ghetto" chick. "Sad, but the hardcore truth."

Moonsigns, this is true too. That's why I'd add smart to the list: "cute", "ghetto" AND SMART chick. As for getting older and starting to sag, I haven't figured that part out yet. Honestly, I'm hoping that I'll still look good for my age when it comes--and I work towards meeting that goal everyday.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:04 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Moonsigns,

Do whatcha gottah do, babe.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

”I'm more intrigued with why anybody would - either intentionally or not - associate ghetto with ugly,”

Huh? Don’t you know? Are there no mirrors in your house?

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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

”Being ghetto, as opposed to being from the ghetto, is a state of mind which may or may not be conveyed externally thru dress, speech and mannerisms. Being from or living in the ghetto doesn't necessarily make a person "ghetto." But that's just my opinion about it.”

I agree. It’s all about the mindset. It’s not the origins that necessarily dictate the mindset. It’s the acceptance or desire, whether consciously or subconsciously, that determines the behavior –ghetto.

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IMO, ghetto-ness in a woman embodies many things. It can alternate between loud crude profanity or cool coy Ebonics; gaudy clothes or skimpy outfits; an aggressiveness attitude or an aura of hostility; an air of bold confidence or a hint of shy insecurity. What it does not personify, is sophistication or poise or good taste. They say you can take the sista out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the sista. The upside to this is that a sista can cultivate and refine herself and project an elegant image when necessary. But she can also revert to her ghetto belligerance, like when a white person is condescending and rude to her, be it at a super market or in the workplace.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:40 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, would y'all say that the line drawn between ghetto & tackiness, is attitude and maturity?
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Va_sis,

I would say ghetto is a subset or a form of tackiness that is poor, Black and urban in origin.
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"These days, what you describe is happening to A LOT of women who we'd NOT necessarily tab "ghetto"."

That is so damn true! It happens across the board! I've seen it -many times.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 02:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I would say ghetto is a subset or a form of tackiness that is poor, Black and urban in origin."

It is. But a lot of people also use it as a way to say that a woman is ugly & too Black looking for their tastes.

Not if anyone else can see this, but that picture of Remi Ma that Howard posted--I can clearly see the stretch marks on her hips, and she has quite a lot. She must have children.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 02:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BB123,

I'm sure you're right. Though I've never consider 'ghetto' to be sex-gender specific. To me, a man is EVERY bit as capable of being 'ghetto' as a woman.

I think the most ghetto part about Remy Ma in that pic is NOT her stretch marks. It's that dead poodle she's got draped on her head!
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 03:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"It's that dead poodle she's got draped on her head!"

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 04:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BB: a lot of people also use it as a way to say that a woman is ugly & too Black looking for their tastes.

Alliyah was ghetto; Alicia Keys, Left-eye Chili & the other one, Foxy Brown, Ashanti, Vivica Fox, and Jada Picket Smith are all ghetto..and the list goes on; but I can’t remember the last time I heard anyone call them ugly; and when have you heard anyone say that any of them are too Black looking...? Not sure but I think the terms you’re looking for are “chicken head” and “hood rat.” I’ve heard all shades of Black women being referred to this way though.
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 04:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...And I hate the terms “Chicken head” and “hood rat.” I think they are deplorable.
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And I hate the terms “Chicken head” and “hood rat.” I think they are deplorable.

Good. You should hate the word "nigger" also. It is the most blatant manifestation of sub-conscious black self hatred. But somehow, I don’t think that will deter you.
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"Alliyah was ghetto; Alicia Keys, Left-eye Chili & the other one, Foxy Brown, Ashanti, Vivica Fox, and Jada Picket Smith are all ghetto..and the list goes on; but I can’t remember the last time I heard anyone call them ugly; and when have you heard anyone say that any of them are too Black looking...? Not sure but I think the terms you’re looking for are “chicken head” and “hood rat.” I’ve heard all shades of Black women being referred to this way though."

Foxy Brown, has often spoke about being ridiculed for being "too Black" throughout her childhood and adulthood. But the rest of those women you chose to list I have never heard of them being called "too Black".
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Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 06:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gotchu. But my bottom line was that ghetto has everything to do with attitude and style, as some posters have suggested, and absolutely nothing to do with physical appearance.
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….and when have you heard anyone say that any of them are too Black looking...? Not sure but I think the terms you’re looking for are “chicken head” and “hood rat.” I’ve heard all shades of Black women being referred to this way though."

Foxy Brown, has often spoke about being ridiculed for being "too Black" throughout her childhood and adulthood. But the rest of those women you chose to list I have never heard of them being called "too Black".


I have no idea what being too black means. There is no such thing. However, very obnoxious behavior, lack of personal respect and ignorance is associated with chicken heads, hood rats and ghetto. In fact, there is one who currently lives above me. A total chicken head, a hood rat and ghetto to the bone! I have no idea how she got in here but I can’t stand it.

Being a chicken head, hood rat and ghetto are all behavioral and mindset characteristics. It can manifests itself in attitude, behavior, dress, language and values. But it’s not genetic and it can be altered.

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Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 04:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I guess "ghetto" is the new euphamism for what we used to call "country", eh?

If so, it is an improvement.

How?

Well take the women above.

Then compare them to some rural, croaker sack wearing, barefoot, gal wearing a straw hat with the price tag hanging off it.

Like Cynique.

See what I mean?

And what the hell does Moonsigns know about being ghetto. You stick to evaluating the Inbred Trailer Park products, Greencheese!
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Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 04:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Further--look at the woman above with her tough leanin' tude.

Would you rather her be a cowering coward like Whoopi in "The Color Purple" waiting for Mr. Charlie to come pull her behind the barn and have his way with her?

White folks had the sweetest most compliant Negroes in the world for hundreds of years and all they did was abuse them. Now that they got a crew of Negroes they can't goose in the butt when they like they enlist their Uncle Toms to put them down for it.

If the upper class blacks could protect their lower class brothers and sisters maybe they could get some play. But they are the most powerless group of so called leaders you ever seen!
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Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 04:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"If the upper class blacks could protect their lower class brothers and sisters maybe they could get some play."

Protect them?? Protect them from what? Themselves? What exaclty do they need protection from? Details please....
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Of course we know chrishayden is an expert on what constitutes "ghetto" since he modestly brags to us how, fancying himself some sort of latter-day Good Samaritan, he leaves the comfort of his middle-class environment and skulks over to the other side of town, dressed in raggedy clothes, assuming a humble mien, shuffling along, fearing for his safety, yet ready to spread empathy and compassion to the down-trodden, who despite their station in life recognize him for the stupid patronizing fool that he is. Pitiful.
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Ntfs:

In New York city there are whole neighborhoods of Hasidic Jews. They are collecting all kinds of public assistance. They dress like they are living in Eastern Europe of the 18th Century. They speak Hebrew and generally refuse to mix in society. They refuse to serve in the armed forces.

You try to move on them and say they need to be off welfare and working and there are powerful Jews that will come down on you with both feet.

Merely one example of how richer and more powerful members of a community help poorer ones. Much the same thing is happening in rural Missouri, where the rural lawmakers are going out of their way to see that white people on welfare are not demonized, stigmatized and are taken care of.

But perhaps it is unfair of me to bring this up, since it is obvious that the so called powerful negroes cannot even protect themselves.

Cynique:

I love you. But you are the biggest Uncle Tom I have ever seen. And proof that there is no fuel like an old fool.
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Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 05:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That the best you can do, chrishayden? Of course it is; off the mark and totally irrelevant as usual. Needless to say I certainly don't love you, you played-out ol fart. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 06:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Still shaking my head. This thread was about what makes a woman "ghetto", and ol hang-mouth chrishayden as usual politicizes the discussion, spouting a lot of drivel, putting his own spin on the implications of the commentary, bidding us to protect ghetto residents from the cold cruel world, as if posters were saying inner-city sistas should be kicked to the curb and left to the devices of THE WHITE MAN. People were simply making observations and expressing opinions, but the ol prophet of doom casts his pall on the subject, projecting his warped far-fetched view of the world according to chrishayden. He's so out of touch that he seems totally unaware of how feisty and flexible ghetto women are or how they'd probably roll their eyes at a dork like him feeling sorry for them.
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Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 08:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

”Still shaking my head. This thread was about what makes a woman "ghetto", and ol hang-mouth chrishayden as usual politicizes the discussion, spouting a lot of drivel, putting his own spin on the implications of the commentary, bidding us to protect ghetto residents from the cold cruel world, as if posters were saying inner-city sistas should be kicked to the curb………………….. he seems totally unaware of how feisty and flexible ghetto women are or how they'd probably roll their eyes at a dork like him feeling sorry for them.”

Ya know, I have to agree with you. I have no idea where bro Chris was going with that line of thinking. I was surprised to hear that story about Hasidic Jews but I’ll take his word for it because I have no information to refute what he said. But this idea that middle class black people are somehow are shirking their responsibility(?) for blacks who are their own worst enemy and responsible for much of the misery and failures they experience, is beyond me. For some strange reason, there is a fallacious belief by some that if racism disappeared from the face of the earth one minute after midnight, the embattled black under class would suddenly detach themselves from drugs, violence, illegitimacy, gangs, low academic achievement, thug life, refusing to work or support the children they make, etc, etc.

There seems to be a fantasy by a number of blacks that all these debilitating vices and pathology would quickly dissipate and disappear if white people were not racists. That’s simply not true nor would the chronic under class suddenly leap to it’s feet and shake off the shackles of self destructive behavior if discrimination and racism ceased to exist. And the idea that working middle class black people are somehow indirectly responsible for a black women with five out of wedlock children, a young black man who decides to sell drugs, do drive by shootings, pimp young women, join a gang, drop out of school, impregnate numerous women, drink 40 ounces on the corner, refuse to work, refuse to read a book, take education seriously, etc, etc, is a line of thinking I will never understand.




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Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 10:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, NTFS, you know, of course, that what you just posted will make chrishayden apoplectic! Good.
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 01:11 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


all i know is keyshia cole is ghetto as hell.

and i'd LOVE to try and bang the ghetto out of her.

she is VERY ghetto. so thats ALOT of BANGING!!!!!
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 08:29 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya:
"My bottom line is that ghetto has everything to do with attitude and style, as some posters have suggested, and absolutely nothing to do with physical appearance."


Moonsigns:
But, more often than not, "attitude and style" are conveyed in ones physical appearance. They go hand and hand. Fashion, especially for women, is proably the most key factor in how we express our "attitude and style". There are, of course, exceptions to this 'rule', but they are far and few. Therefore, if I see any given woman in any given social setting, and depending on her physical appearance, it's quite easy to determine what her "attitude and style" are --she "wears it". It may be prejudice, but it's true. And, we ALL do it.


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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 08:34 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chrissy,

"Inbred trailer park products" --WTF?!!!! Stop telling on yourself!!!!!! LMAO!



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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 10:00 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ntfs: "For some strange reason, there is a fallacious belief by some that if racism disappeared from the face of the earth one minute after midnight, the embattled black under class would suddenly detach themselves from drugs, violence, illegitimacy, gangs, low academic achievement, thug life, refusing to work or support the children they make, etc, etc."


There are FEW rational, studied people who believe that. Most simply believe that racism is a PRIMARY cause of those conditions, not necessarily its ONLY cause.
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Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 03:51 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Moonsigns:

But, more often than not, "attitude and style" are conveyed in ones physical appearance. They go hand and hand. Fashion, especially for women, is proably the most key factor in how we express our "attitude and style". There are, of course, exceptions to this 'rule', but they are far and few. Therefore, if I see any given woman in any given social setting, and depending on her physical appearance, it's quite easy to determine what her "attitude and style" are --she "wears it". It may be prejudice, but it's true. And, we ALL do it.



Well Moonsigns...my understanding for "Physical (bodily) appearance" is comparable to the meaning of the word "Phenotype," and is neither equivalent nor interchangeable with the way one acts/dresses. But, to each her own. :-)

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