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Inyaniso
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Username: Inyaniso
Post Number: 33
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 12:14 am: | 
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It's late and I should be working on a paper, but I have to speak.
["I give you this analogy: You see two children drowning in the ocean. One of the children is yours, the other child is unknown to you. Who do you save? Your child, of course. Ideally, you'd like to save both. But if you can ONLY save one, you'll make damn certain it's YOUR child - that's self-preservation.
What White Europeans did was save their children. I can't, in good consciousness, fault them for that. Black Africans DID NOT save their children. I do fault them for that"]
Inyaniso's Reply:
Now, would this individual make a comment such as "the Germans were protecting their children when they sent 6 million Jews to their deaths as well as the other undesirables in their society?"
Yet we as a black community will tolerate, and some will even applaud when a supposedly Black person says that Whites were just protecting their children by commiting centuries of genocide against Africans across the diaspora!! What is going on on this board?
Does this person think that there was some advertisement put out by West and Central African rulers to Europeans for slaves? No, they came with a purpose in mind to get free labour knowing they had the firepower to succeed. They along with the weakest most vile leaders enslaved human beings into the most brutal form of slavery this planet has ever known. And now, the decendents of those thousands of Central and West African men and women who died trying to protect their people, will allow individuals to disparage them in this manner, Please do not forget Ndongo's Queen Njinga and the many others. Please pick up a book, they still have them in libraries, all of which on the subject of slavery will tell you it was the minority of the elites involved in the odious trade who were emboldened by their White allies who possessed superior firepower, The same thing can be seen happening to this day across the diaspora. Further more the rhetoric of blaming slavery upon the very victims of it, is one that is entrenched in the White supremacist discourse, and for one to espouse it without any consideration is repugnant.
In his 1997 book on the slave trade, Hugh Thomas records correctly that, "West Africa had known slavery on a small scale before the coming of Islam", and before the coming of the Europeans. Hochschild even puts it better. "The nature of African slavery [before the arrival of the Europeans]," he writes, "varied from area to another and changed over time, but most slaves were people captured in warfare. Others had been criminals or debtors, or were given away by their families as part of a dowry settlement...In other ways, African slavery was more flexible and benign than the system Europeans would soon establish in the New World. Over a generation or two, slaves could often earn or be granted their freedom, and free people and slaves sometimes inter-married."
This is fact, yet some, and I know it is not all African Americans continue to lap up what mis and disinformation they are fed, although the very discourse they define themselves by is one that denegrates and dehumanizes THEM!!
And please stop saying Africans sold African Americans into slavery, as it is a fallacy that uses universalist language to confuse the less astute among us. Africa is a huge continent, some places had never seen or heard of a white person during slavery. Some nations like my own don't even have a word for slave in our language and pre European contact 'people' had no object value they were 'one of the all' as we say. Many nations never participated or knew of such a thing as the enslavement of other humans. As many historians write, if only some would read, even those places that had Indigenous slavery, it was nothing like what Europeans did to Africans. Don't forget that they did not take all the people they enslaved to the West or South America and the Caribbean, please read 'King Leopolds Ghost' for information on what the Europeans did to the Congolease when they enslaved them within their own nation.
Finally, I have a question, why would (some, admitedly the minority ) Black people continue to foster and spread misinformation which substantiates their own denegration? This makes no sense to me, and is quite frustrating when there is so much information out there with which to arm ones self |
Urban_scribe
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Urban_scribe
Post Number: 85
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 10:17 am: |
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Mzuri wisely advised me to ignore your troll ass. I tried, but this was just too good to resist.
Er, Inyaniso, why are you sniffing up my ass like a paper-trained puppy?
You can’t sleep. Look at the time you posted. Honey, I was sound asleep at that hour in my big, comfy bed, dreaming ‘bout a ménage à trois with Denzel and Lennox. Shut yo’ mouth!
You can’t even tend to important matters going on in your own life because you’re so enamored with “The Scribe”.
As for what you’ve presented here, need I point out that it took your “edumacated” ass nearly 7 FULL HOURS from the time I posted the hypothetical scenario you opened this thread with to come up with a weak-ass counterpoint? Kept you up all night thinking of some shit to say. Obviously.
First off, you took my words out of context. Sneaky, but not smart. And look what your artificial intelligent ass came up with. HA! You’re comparing apples to oranges, dearie, and presenting straw man, circular arguments that are not worthy of a debate.
What the fuck are they teaching you kids in community college these days? I wouldn’t know. Judging from your writing style and word selection, I take it you’re rather young. I probably was out of school before you became an unplanned pregnancy.
Of course, I would expect a stunt like this from someone who’s drafting a paper for graduate school admittance about online community behavior. How useless is that! What’s your major, Cafeteria Décor?
Allow me to add a li’l sumpin-sumpin to your research on online community behavior - I can’t even type that shit with a straight face.
HERE IT GOES:
In an online community setting, such as this, the usual way folks indicate they’re adding someone to their IGNORE LIST is to post *Plonk* (the asterisks are part of the word).
*Plonk* is the sound effect of someone falling into an electronic hole. *Plonk* means Nothing you could possibly say could ever be interesting enough for me to bother reading it.
Inyaniso, you’ve just been *Plonked*
You are the weakest link. G’bye.
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Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2791
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 10:52 am: |
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Inyaniso:
The title of your thread says it all.
Here you are supposed to be Black and all, equating Darkness with evil, badness, ignorance.
It looks like we ALL have lots of work to do. |
Mzuri
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 1531
Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 11:41 am: |
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AN UNPLANNED PREGNANCY!!! 
My two cents - some of us Black people are far too wrapped up in what happened in the past. Yes, we should have an understanding about our history, and we should know about what happened in the past so that we do not repeat our same mistakes or whatever. BUT! Some of us spend far too much time trying to analyze things that we can never verify anyway. How can we know for certain what happened 500 years ago? We need to expend our efforts and focus our attention on what is going on NOW. TODAY!!! AIDS!!! CRIME!!! CHILD ABUSE!!! BLACKS KILLING BLACKS!!! HELLOOOOOW!!! What are we going to do about any of the issues that are affecting us NOW???
As to the two children in the water scenario - I once heard a white woman say that if she were out sailing with her family, and her husband and her child fell into the water and were drowning and she could only save one - she would save her husband because that is the nucleus of her family and they could always produce another child.
Myself personally, self-preservation means preserving SELF. And so I'm not going to drown while trying to save either one of them. I'll throw them a life jacket but it doesn't make sense for all three of us to drown. So I'll see them in the afterlife. But that's just me. |
Inyaniso
Regular Poster
Username: Inyaniso
Post Number: 34
Registered: 08-2006
Rating: 
Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 12:29 pm: |
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Chris Hayden:
The title actually comes from the lyric of a Sade song. The song details the march of enslaved Africans in to the "Belly of Darkness" which was the ship they were confined to. But I do take your response with a 'grain of salt'.
Mzuri:
I agree with you that there are pressing matters in the here and now which need to be addressed. However those pressing matters did not spring up out of nowhere, they also have a historical context. I have lived on three continents and visited every continent(Except Australia) and what you find everywhere is that those who have been relegated historically to being an underclass are the ones that have the highest prevelance of the issues you addressed in your post. And that is why it is important to have an understanding of the past but also to put that past into context. |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 725
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 02:09 pm: |
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"My two cents - some of us Black people are far too wrapped up in what happened in the past. Yes, we should have an understanding about our history, and we should know about what happened in the past so that we do not repeat our same mistakes or whatever. BUT! Some of us spend far too much time trying to analyze things that we can never verify anyway. How can we know for certain what happened 500 years ago? We need to expend our efforts and focus our attention on what is going on NOW. TODAY!!! AIDS!!! CRIME!!! CHILD ABUSE!!! BLACKS KILLING BLACKS!!! HELLOOOOOW!!! What are we going to do about any of the issues that are affecting us NOW???"
High five to Muzri…Bap!!! I could not have articulated your post better. I am a big history buff and I enjoy reading and researching various periods in early American history, the Depression, WW I and II, Harlem Renaissance, Naval history and the black human and Civil Rights movement. That being said, I have no problems discussing or debating various historical periods and its affect on human populations. But to be blunt, I have little use for the pointless whining and belly aching about what happened to black people four or five hundred years ago during slavery. I look at the tragedy and horrors of African slave trade from a purely historical perspective. It happened, it was horrendous, it was tragic and it should be accurately documented. But moaning and emotionally dwelling on what the white man did to us during slavery accomplishes nothing!
The real focus and group effort should be placed on addressing the self destructive behavior and continuing family disintegration of the black under class. Noting the slavery of black Africans by Arabs, Europeans and other black Africans is fine. Everyone needs to know this. But obsessing over the abuse and exploitation that happened hundreds of years ago does absolutely nothing for the everyday problems and pathology that black Americans face. You need to understand this.
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Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 5147
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 02:18 pm: |
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It should be obvious by now that endlessly verbalizing black woes serves as nothing but a catharsis. Talk is cheap. Action is expensive, and there is, after all, more than one way to skin a cat. What works for some doesn't work for everybody. It all comes down to each person finding a way to improve their lot. Survival comes in different degrees. I hate to be repetitive but America is not Utopia! |
Mzuri
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 1525
Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 23, 2006 - 05:22 pm: |
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Thanks NTFS. |
Shemika
Regular Poster
Username: Shemika
Post Number: 195
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 24, 2006 - 02:43 am: |
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Inyaniso, I agree with your post. Too many blacks have adapted the mentality of rednecks; it's not until a noose is around their neck that they care about black unity. And that analogy about saving a child from drowning has nothing to do with the predatory nature of slavery on racism. |
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