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     Igbogirl Regular Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 42 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: |
I am a big Pam Grier fan and I was searching for her biography on the 'net when I came across several different articles that described her as "Asian, White, Native American and Black." One article said she's only a quarter black and mainly white. I never knew this. Or is this just another one of those cases where they play up the person's "other" heritage and minimize the Black? Pam herself identifies herself as a Black woman. I can see that she has Native American blood in her appearance. But Asian? | ||
| Misty "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 451 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: |
her native american heritage is very prominent in her facial features, this is why it's always puzzled me as to why i've seen some attempt to label her an "authentic" black woman (according to their definition of authentic). whatever she is, it produced a beautiful woman. I think the african/ native american mix has always produced some of the most exotic and beautiful people. anyway, native americans come from asians and there are many cases in which you cant tell them apart from their asian ancestors...for instance alot of cambodians, indonesians and hawiians look native american. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 6560 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: |
Misty: "this is why it's always puzzled me as to why i've seen some attempt to label her an "authentic" black woman (according to their definition of authentic)." She acted Black. She was pretty. And she had a hellified combination of tits and a$$. The End. | ||
| Misty "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 452 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: N/A |
right, i have 2 aunts who looked alot like her. One of them died before i was able to see them in person but from her pictures her and pam could be sisters. Some of my moms old pictures look slightly similar to hers as well (only my mom is prettier). | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1036 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: |
She was very, very brown. And used to wear that big Afro. Perhaps, that's why people labeled her as an authentic Black woman. Interesting, she doesn't look a 'quarter' Black at all. Was her mother White? | ||
| Savant "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Savant Post Number: 168 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: |
Pam Grier is black. Her mother is black. Her father is black. She is Rosey Grier's cousin. | ||
| Igbogirl Regular Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 43 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
I think it said her mother's half black, half white and the dad is part native and part asian. Pam Grier is hot as hell anyways. Like Mary J, I can see that Native American heritage in her face. | ||
| Misty "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 453 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: |
she doesnt look like she has any white in her whatsoever...if it is there (like the article claims),i dont see it but you're right she looks way more than a quarter black. you have to watch white people, LOL, they will try to claim anyone is part white who looks halfway pretty. my mom use to get asked by white women all the time was she from louisianna (because there was alot of mixture between whites and blacks there) when my mom doesnt look anywhere near being mixed with white. they would say things like "you're so pretty" followed by "are you from louisianna?" The only features that show up in her are black and native american features, yet whites would still try to peg her as being mixed with them because she was pretty. they so desperately want it to be said that everything good comes from them. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1037 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Speaking of people with mixed ancestry...where does Tyra get her green eyes from? Neither one of her parents are mixed, and they're both dark--grandparent, maybe? | ||
| Fortified "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Fortified Post Number: 322 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: |
Clarence Ransom Grier and Gwendolyn Samuels are black, so they cannot biologically give birth to a quarter-black daughter. | ||
| Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1331 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
LOL....Fortified, there are enough "mulattoes" in Mississippi with two black parents (and four black grandparents)......it seems almost that anything seems possible. LOL | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 123 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: |
I have a sister who is part Jewish, Native American and Black and is the spitting image of Pam Grier from the 60’s/70’s (or whenever Pam was famous). Both my sister and Pam are CULTURALLY Authentic--which is why they both SEEM Authentic to me--culturally they are--PHENOTYPICALLY, however, they are not. Also I have a Black Black sister who is a fuller featured darker skinned version of Whitney Houston. Whitney is, of course, culturally Authentic. My sister is much less culturally Authentic than Whitney, but she is phenotypically authentic while Whitney is not. In my heart, both are of equal importance, neither one outweighs the other; nevertheless, there is a difference between being culturally and phenotypically Authentic. Blacks who are phenotypically Authentic have a more difficult EXPERIENCE than those who are not, generally. | ||
| Lil_ze "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Lil_ze Post Number: 484 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
whitney is not phenotypically authentic? please, please explain. | ||
| Igbogirl Regular Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 44 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
That's interesting considering it was the whites who labelled people who were only a fraction black as black. You know, the whole one-drop rule. I find it hard to believe that now they are trying to claim us. Sooooo many white people I know have said that either Halle Berry or Beyonce is "the most beautiful African American woman around today". Halle's as much white as she is black. Beyonce looks somehow mixed to me also. | ||
| Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1332 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
Igbogirl, I can't say whether or not it's happening everywhere else in the country, but in Mississippi and Alabama there are white men who like black women, and feel it's safer to take a "mulatto" girl home to their parents rather than a "black" girl. So a lot of girls have been convinced by their boyfriend that if they're not dark-skinned, they must be mixed somewhere, so they're "mulatto" and should say they are. How possible is it to have four black grandparents and be HALF white? That's why I believe the statistics of how many bi-racial people are around is probably wrong. | ||
| Igbogirl Regular Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 45 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
But Renata, Pam actually DOES look mixed to me. She looks mixed with Native American, not with white. So I don't see how she can have four purely black grandparents. Oh and isn't Foxy Brown (the rapper) claiming to be only half black. The other half being Filipino? Update: apparently she is now saying she is black and Asian. I see the black part clearly. Not the Asian. I mean the long straight black hair might be from an Asian woman's head though. Its probably 100% human hair and all... | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1038 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Igbogirl, Beyonce's mother is Creole (mixed). As for Foxy Brown, that half Asian rumor stemmed from a lyrical rhyme in a Jay Z song where she rapped about being half-Filipino. It wasn't true. Although, she still claims to be 'mixed'--but is not exactly clear with what. All she'll tell you is that her family is from Trinidad & some other island. | ||
| Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir Post Number: 637 Registered: 12-2005 Rating: N/A |
She always looked very Egyptian to me. | ||
| Fortified "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Fortified Post Number: 323 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: N/A |
Foxy Brown doesn't know what she is. She'll claim any ancestry that's hot at that point in time. I have seen Igbo women who look like black women in the U.S. Are these Igbo women not "authentic"? | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 124 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Foxy Brown does look mixed (to me anyway); you can see it all in her face. She looks Haitian with some kind of Asian blood. | ||
| Misty "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Misty Post Number: 454 Registered: 02-2006 Rating: |
igbogirl, "I find it hard to believe that now they are trying to claim us." no igbogirl its not that hard to believe because you have what you call white hypocracy which has been very rampant amongst whites throughout history and still continues to be. right whites do label anyone with one drop of black blood black in an attempt to keep the races separate and preseve their race as well as to keep all of the wealth amongst a small segment of people, YET alot of these same whites attempt to claim that any blacks with positive attributes must have white ancestry. How else do you explain the questions they use to ask my mom? I think with the question you asked you've just delved into the hypocracy that whites often exhibit. They simply want to have their cake and eat it too....they want to disown you yet take credit for anything positive about you. If whites truely saw beyonce as just another black woman then this messageboard probably wouldnt exist..LOL...there wouldnt be any discussions on the favortism shown to light skinned black women by the media over dark skinned black women. you're right, whites did create the one drop rule however they find it easy to blurr that rule whenever they see it can work to their advantage (just as they manage to do everyday with alot of their socalled rules and traditions). they simply want it to be said that it takes their DNA or something from them to ENHANCE anything. Ive even been on white messagebaords where they attempt to label martin luther king as being part white, claiming that his supposed white genes are the reason he was so intelligent. they also went on to point out that most of our black leaders have been light skinned simply because the darker blacks supposedly lacked the intelligence to do anything. ive also seen whites point out that colin powell is mixed race simply because hes intelligent...if he was sjut another dumb "negro" they would never point this out. it's alot like whites who have in the past and still do attempt to label black music as jungle music and pretend to look down on it yet they do everything in their power to mimic it. That'sd verytypical white people ...that's just the way they deal. Not only do they say this, they go even farther to claim that the reason African Americans are more “evolved” and more “civilized” than Africans is due to their mixture with whites. Just shows how desperate they are in my opinion, even if in the back of their minds they may not truely believe this. | ||
| Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1333 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
The only part of Foxy Brown that's Asian is what she buys at the beauty supply store. | ||
| Igbogirl Regular Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 46 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
"I have seen Igbo women who look like black women in the U.S. Are these Igbo women not "authentic"?" I'm one of the women you describe here. But what is really going on is not that we look like black American women. Its that black American women look like us. No surprise there, lots of black Americans are descended from Igbos. And not every single black American person has the 17% or so of white blood that is "average" in black Americans. Some will have way more and some will have way less or even virtually none. | ||
| Igbogirl Regular Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 47 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: |
Also, I saw Foxy in a clothing store here in New York. She was trying to pay for her stuff by check and the manager was telling her he couldn't accept a check from her because her last few checks had bounced. She was cussing all the staff out and calling them "fucking faggots". She was with a small entourage. Oh, and she did not look at all mixed to me. She is very very dark skinned - much darker than she looks on TV or in pictures. She's really pretty too although she was sweating profusely and looked out of it in the store. She has pretty features, but they look more African to me than Asian. | ||
| Igbogirl Regular Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 48 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: |
"no igbogirl its not that hard to believe because you have what you call white hypocracy which has been very rampant amongst whites throughout history and still continues to be. right whites do label anyone with one drop of black blood black in an attempt to keep the races separate and preseve their race as well as to keep all of the wealth amongst a small segment of people, YET alot of these same whites attempt to claim that any blacks with positive attributes must have white ancestry. How else do you explain the questions they use to ask my mom? I think with the question you asked you've just delved into the hypocracy that whites often exhibit. They simply want to have their cake and eat it too....they want to disown you yet take credit for anything positive about you. If whites truely saw beyonce as just another black woman then this messageboard probably wouldnt exist..LOL...there wouldnt be any discussions on the favortism shown to light skinned black women by the media over dark skinned black women. you're right, whites did create the one drop rule however they find it easy to blurr that rule whenever they see it can work to their advantage (just as they manage to do everyday with alot of their socalled rules and traditions). they simply want it to be said that it takes their DNA or something from them to ENHANCE anything. Ive even been on white messagebaords where they attempt to label martin luther king as being part white, claiming that his supposed white genes are the reason he was so intelligent. they also went on to point out that most of our black leaders have been light skinned simply because the darker blacks supposedly lacked the intelligence to do anything. ive also seen whites point out that colin powell is mixed race simply because hes intelligent...if he was sjut another dumb "negro" they would never point this out. it's alot like whites who have in the past and still do attempt to label black music as jungle music and pretend to look down on it yet they do everything in their power to mimic it. That'sd verytypical white people ...that's just the way they deal. Not only do they say this, they go even farther to claim that the reason African Americans are more “evolved” and more “civilized” than Africans is due to their mixture with whites. Just shows how desperate they are in my opinion, even if in the back of their minds they may not truely believe this." Misty, I disagree. Here's why. Whites only tend to ask/suggest somebody has white blood when they visible have very "white" features or skin tone. I mean, come on! Colin Powell is a VERY light skinned man! Beyonce actually looks just as mixed race as Halle Berry. Perhaps your mother is lightskinned or has European features too. I mean, think about it. Alek Wek is a PHENOMENALLY successful woman. However, no whites are going to claim that she has white blood, because she so clearly does not. Tyra Banks though, they'd have good reason for imagining she has white blood because of her eyes and skin tone. A couple of white coworkers have asked me whether I have any white or non-black ancestry. But I don't think they're trying to claim me because I am successful. I simply think they expected a full-blooded West African to be significantly darker-skinned. When I explain to them that Igbo people are a little bit fairer in complexion than many West Africans, they let the subject drop and are satisfied. Also this idea about whites wanting to keep all the wealth for a small percentage...um, yes and no. The average white person is NOT at all wealthy or comfortably off or educated. The average white person is the kind of creature that appears on Jerry Springer. So, its not like ALL whites have ALL the wealth. A miniscule percentage of whites have MOST of the wealth. Oh, and black Americans are only more "evolved" than Africans in the material sense. Certainly not spiritually. For all its faults, America is the number one wealthiest nation in the entire world. So, that wealth is gonna rub off on everybody who lives here, to some degree. In Africa, being poor means you'll likely starve to death. In America, you can be poor yet still have a widescreen TV and enough food to eat. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1039 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
 She does have very Asian eyes. She's quite exotic looking. I've been trying to figure out what texture hair she has (it's obvious she wears a weave) but her hairline looks as though she has fine textured hair. I'll find some more pics | ||
| Igbogirl Regular Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 50 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
She is very pretty but she is not Asian. Hell, lots of Ghanaian people have "Asian" eyes like hers. Plus that pic has lightened her up a lot. In person she is about Wesley Snipes' complexion. And as for her hairline possibly being fine-textured - that doesn't mean much. Not all BW are nappy. What will it be next? Lil' Kim half-Swedish? | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1040 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
I didn't say she was Asian. I stated she has "Asian eyes". And judging from other pics that I research on her, she has fine textured hair--very soft and loose wavy-like. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1041 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
Igbogirl, why are you going overboard? Why in the hell would Lil Kim be half-Swedish? | ||
| Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1338 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
HAUSA people have those same eyes and almost straight hair that waves and curls but doesn't "nap" like ours. A good friend of mine is Hausa from Nigeria. | ||
| Igbogirl Veteran Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 53 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
HAUSA people have those same eyes and almost straight hair that waves and curls but doesn't "nap" like ours. A good friend of mine is Hausa from Nigeria. Thank you. I have a Fulani friend who looks like that also. Plus since I've NEVER seen Foxy without a weave, I have little idea of the texture of her hair. A lot of people who wear weaves also perm their own hair, so you'd never actually see any of their own texture. Another person who claims to be part Asian is Naomi Campbell. In one interview, she said her long straight black hair was because of her Asian heritage. I kid you not  | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1047 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
She defintely relaxes her hair, but her natural hair texture appears very soft and fine(Like Diddy's girlfriend/babymomma Kim Porter.)--all you have to do is look at her real hair she leaves out to cover her tracks. | ||
| Igbogirl Veteran Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 55 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
So, her natural hair texture appears soft and fine (according to you) And? | ||
| Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1343 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
It doesn't occur to you that perhaps she's Nigerian (Hausa) and just doesn't know it? | ||
| Igbogirl Veteran Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 56 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
Is Fox Boogie the only black woman in America who has naturally silky-ish hair? She's a regular at my local hospital. Apparently she takes Ecstacy too much and sometimes takes overdoses of painkillers and she winds up in ER a lot. I was having surgery and my family visiting me heard the nurses laughing about Foxy and how "busted" her weave looked. I don't think they mentioned her hair being silky though. LOL | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1048 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
"So, her natural hair texture appears soft and fine (according to you) And?" You have a lot of nerve giving attitude when YOU put that woman's ethnicity up for questionable debate. "It doesn't occur to you that perhaps she's Nigerian (Hausa) and just doesn't know it?" I was just noting that her hair texture reminds me of Kim Porter's. | ||
| Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 135 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Boy I tell you. You black bitches are getting exactly what you deserve. I understand why nobody gives a fuck about you: You told them not to... ...because you don’t have the guts to give a fuck about yourselves. | ||
| Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1049 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
I don't believe your story Igbogirl. | ||
| Prettybabygurl Newbie Poster Username: Prettybabygurl Post Number: 23 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
Brownie why don't you believe her story? Foxy is human, isn't she? It isn't out of the norm for a famous person to be addicted to drugs, is it? And as far as the hair thing goes, so the fuck what? curly, straight, nappy who cares? Niggerstock black bitches I tell ya. | ||
| Igbogirl Veteran Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 57 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
Do Google searches on Foxy or ask around. You'll learn that she's known for pitching these fits on a regular basis. No made up stories here. | ||
| Igbogirl Veteran Poster Username: Igbogirl Post Number: 58 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
Check out this news story on Foxy.....and you'll see that my experiences with her are mild compared to what she is capable of! http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2006/08/26/foxy_brown_no_s.php Foxy Brown, No Stranger to Trouble The seasons may change, but we seem to be assured of stories where rapper Foxy Brown goes totally crazy and does something that requires the police or the phrase "pressing charges." This time, Brown (born Inga Marchand) is accused of stealing $800 worth of belts - just two belts! Tony Khayat, owner of L'Impasse on West 8th Street, told the NY Post that he gave free clothes to Brown earlier this week, but she stormed into his store after hours, wearing paper pedicure slippers, demanding the clothes she had brought in for tailoring. Then she tried to bargain for a gold watch, and when she didn't get the price she liked, she took the two expensive belts. Khayat, who showed the Post the surveillance footage of Brown acting up, said, "I was going to just call her and tell her to get those f-ing belts back - but I guess I'm pressing charges." We guess he just doesn't want to be friends anymore! Khayat also suspected that Brown's behavior was due to prescription drugs, since she recently had surgery. Okay, but remember how she's accused of hitting a Bloomie Nails manicurist with a cellphone and driving over some bicyclists? And she missed a court hearing in NJ about making "terroristic threats"? Yeah, something more is up. | ||
| Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1345 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
I've read on various sites myself that she seems somewhat angry at times, but I can only guess whether they may or may not be exaggerated. |
