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Tonya
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Post Number: 97
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Votes: 8 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 10:01 pm: | 
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By MELODY McCLOUD
Published on: 09/12/06
Black women demand respect
Why are black women so increasingly ignored, abhorred, disrespected and rejected in this country?
Who declared "open season" on us, and why?
Increasingly over the past decade, the media have projected images of black women as battered about, cast down, kicked aside, ignored, denigrated and disrespected at the will of all who take delight and sport in doing so. It is tantamount to a public flogging in the modern-day town square — the media, the Internet, TV, movies and music videos.
The latest venue? The University of Georgia in Athens, where Chi Phi fraternity pledges flashed naked images of black women to passers-by. Why? Because they could. It's acceptable sport in the 21st century. They're just black women; who cares? One student told a reporter he thought it was funny. It's not.
The late comedian, Rodney Dangerfield, enjoyed a lifetime of fame and fortune and received many a laugh saying, "I don't get no respect." Many of today's black women may feel Dangerfield's battle cry is one they, too, can claim. But hardly any are laughing.
More and more, black male models and actors are readily cast opposite white and Hispanic women, to the blatant, total exclusion of black women. Magazine ads frequently engage colorism — favoring light-skinned blacks over brown-skinned ones. Lighter black women often get the sexy ads and poses; they're positioned to look soft and desirable while brown-skinned women are posed stern, frowning and even masculine with bald heads.
It also seems that the media are ever eager to show black women as "crazy " — think U.S. Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.), model Naomi Campbell, Omarosa Manigault-Stallworth of the TV show "The Apprentice" and others — but won't allow others to be heard or seen. It seems, "well, there's Oprah," so that's all the room they'll allow for "good" black women.
Sadly, too, those blacks in position to present black women in a better light, including Oprah, often fail to do so. Tyler Perry and Martin Lawrence, more so, get rich on the image of the fat, gun-toting, loud black granny.
Shonda Rhimes, the black female creator/producer of "Grey's Anatomy," has the black male character sleeping with Asian Sandra Oh (who brushes her teeth in the kitchen sink), while Chandra Wilson, the lone black actress on the show, is "the Nazi."
And MTV — whose president, Christina Norman, is a black woman — recently aired a cartoon to young Saturday morning viewers entitled "Where My Dogs At," which had black women squatting on all fours, tethered to leashes. In 2004, U.S. Army reservist Sgt. Lynndie England subjected Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib to the same denigration and was convicted and sentenced to prison. Where is the justice for black women?
Someone must speak out against this societal poison. White women aren't going to say anything because they readily benefit from negative images of black women. Many white men — media executives, and obviously some UGA frat brothers — are having too much fun and cash flow at the expense of black women's dignity and social value; and sadly, many black men are inexplicably silent, standing on the sidelines.
This year, I wrote Marc Cherry, creator of the hit show "Desperate Housewives." Normally, to see a black woman get a recurring role in the No. 1 prime-time network program would be a major coup, a step in the right direction for American media and black imagery. But alas, once again, the lone black woman — on a show that mostly deals with sexy, alluring women with kinky trysts and family matters — is portrayed as a psychopath who chains her son in the basement.
I suggest congressional hearings to effect a tangible change in the depiction of women in music videos. Black women who participate in such videos must stop; there are better, more respectful ways to gain acceptance. Black men need to step forward: Say and do something. Honor your women. Speak to young boys.
Black film and music producers need to be socially conscious and think what effect the images they set forth have on the community and the world. White media and ad executives must advance past colorism; they also need to cast black actresses and models of all hues in loving, desirable roles.
White parents need to stop teaching racist attitudes to their offspring. And UGA students need to find something else to do in the town square. Denigrating and disrespecting black women is not a sport. It's sad that members of the Chi Phi fraternity think it is.
Dr. Melody McCloud is a physician and writer living in Roswell.
Find this article at:
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2006/09/11/0912women.html |
Shemika
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Post Number: 188
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 02:18 am: |
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Excellent post because it’s a truth that needs speaking. What we see in the media is just the surface; the attacks on disadvantaged bw go must deeper than that.
Black men aren't going to do anything because first of all, most of them don’t even acknowledge it, and secondly, they are often an active part of the problem. You can see the level of contempt many hold for bw on this board alone, and the same goes for many others - especially when they’re geared toward the bm & ww. I've witnessed bm acting an azz on bw all my life. And when they get around a ww or some other non black female it adds fuel to their flame.
I remember reading a post about a bm who has even written a book about bw being crazies who need to be locked up, medicated or have something done to them. And his main contention is they are rude or moody. –Apparently behaviors inexcusable only when it comes to bw. None of the countless loud, disrespectful, obnoxious & moody wm, ww, bm, etc., are considered inherently deserving of such measures.
The primary reason the media is depicting bw as a whipping post via such negative depictions and characterizations is because it represents the normalization of such attacks against bw overall. Publicly depicting bw as crazies grants permission for others to scapegoat and depersonalize them (especially bw most powerless and voiceless) for private exploitation as well. This way anyone who accuses a bw of anything is automatically believed without question, since, after all, it’s only a bw and bw (generally speaking) have no credibility.
It has also become quite fashionable these days for both bm and bw to scapegoat and railroad bw in the workplace to win favor and jockey for position.
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Lil_ze
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Post Number: 477
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oh, come on now. nobody has declared "open season" on black women. it seems like there will always be a handful of bitter, angry black females that will ALWAYS proclaim there is some type of mass dismissal on the part of society toward "black women".
notice how the author of the article goes out of her way to beat the "light skin black females get too much attention" drum. so what she is really saying is that she is not concerned about "black women" (light skin females are still black), she is really another color struck cry baby.
when will some black females stop whining about other black females? |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 09:23 am: |
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Shemika..you hit it right on the head:
What we see in the media is just the surface; the attacks on disadvantaged bw go must deeper than that.
Black men aren't going to do anything because first of all, most of them don’t even acknowledge it, and secondly, they are often an active part of the problem. You can see the level of contempt many hold for bw on this board alone, and the same goes for many others - especially when they’re geared toward the bm & ww. I've witnessed bm acting an azz on bw all my life. And when they get around a ww or some other non black female it adds fuel to their flame.
I remember reading a post about a bm who has even written a book about bw being crazies who need to be locked up, medicated or have something done to them. And his main contention is they are rude or moody. –Apparently behaviors inexcusable only when it comes to bw. None of the countless loud, disrespectful, obnoxious & moody wm, ww, bm, etc., are considered inherently deserving of such measures.
The primary reason the media is depicting bw as a whipping post via such negative depictions and characterizations is because it represents the normalization of such attacks against bw overall. Publicly depicting bw as crazies grants permission for others to scapegoat and depersonalize them (especially bw most powerless and voiceless) for private exploitation as well. This way anyone who accuses a bw of anything is automatically believed without question, since, after all, it’s only a bw and bw (generally speaking) have no credibility.
It has also become quite fashionable these days for both bm and bw to scapegoat and railroad bw in the workplace to win favor and jockey for position. |
Renata
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I heard some women talking about the incident at the University of Georgia a few days ago (with the pictures). She (a white woman) was basically glad that white women weren't seen as "promiscuous enough" to show naked pictures of, and wondered if the pictures were actually of African women or African american women, basically hinting that there would be a difference in how "sexual" and/or "funny" it would be depending on the nationality of the woman. Another woman had the good sense to ask if it really mattered if the entire point in showing the pictures was to degrade the women in the pictures. |
Renata
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If the University of Georgia was the only college in the US, I'd send my son overseas to school. Everybody knows that most of the people who attend that school are racist and come from racist families. |
Renata
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That they post naked pictures of Black women as a "joke" is hardly surprising. Really. Don't let your kids attend that school. It's mostly a finishing school for white kids who grew up going to the golf club and cotillions, and now they're out of high school and have to do something with their time. |
Renata
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They even have the nerve to CLUTTER the newspapers with stupid stories/columns about how they have to dress up and be seen at the football games to show their support for their boyfriends who are fans of the team. And SERIOUSLY act like whether they wear a nice dress or jeans/t-shirt to the games is the biggest problem they'll have to face in their life.
I hate that school. |
Abm
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Pardon me. But are Black women being FORCED to pose nude, allow themselves to be dragged around by dog collars (with Black female MTV president Christina Norman producing cartoons of such), act like TV ‘Nazis’ and ‘psychopaths’, etc.?
NOPE!
I am ALL for Black men stepping up for their women, mothers, sisters and female kin & friends. But it seems to me what must ALSO be included in the calculus of what Dr. McCloud asserts is some Black FEMALE respectability and accountability.
'Cause, ladies, ain't NO man - Black, White or Brown - gone respect you if you don't FIRST respect your dayamselves. |
Prettybabygurl
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No they ain't Abm but they do it because when our ass get all ashy like my pick, I mean like Kola's pic sometimes we just don't see no other way! |
Abm
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PBG,
I don't much mind seeing a pic of some chick's ashen a$$. Just so long as it's 'tastefully done'.
Hahahahaha!!! |
Prettybabygurl
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BUTT what about if it's not? an ashy ass is still an ashy ass!
HIAWATHA! |
Abm
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PBG,
Babe. Many (if not MOST) Black foks appear ashen immediately after they BATHE.
An ashen appearance MIGHT be more proof that a woman is clean than not. |
Renata
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Other women are respected enough that when they DO pose nude (and they DO, just like black women, don't act brand new like we're the only one who do) their pictures aren't posted around as a JOKE.
But somehow only BLACK women "ask for" their pictures to be publicly posted and other women are considered "respectful" enough to not have to even worry about it.
The difference is that their MEN won't allow them to be disrespected like that. You can bet money if "Maria" and "Julietta" had their naked pictures posted all over MOREHOUSE, motherfuckers would be afraid to leave campus for hordes of protestors.
But, AS EXPECTED, as soon as a black woman says we're sick of being seen AS A JOKE and IN DISRESPECT, you men seem to think we're just being "bitter".
When we start seeing "Maria", and "Becky", and "Zahra" having a few of their pictures thrown up around campuses, we can at least say we're EQUALLY disrespected. But that ain't gonna happen, and you know it.
Women OF ALL RACES take nude photos, but only OURS are disrespected and used AS JOKES.
Other women aren't so "bitter" about it, because they have no reason to be. They KNOW they're respected well enough to not have to worry about it happening to them. |
Renata
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Dumb fucks. |
Abm
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Renata,
When I was a kid, my friends and I would pass around pictures of WHITE chicks (via Penthouse, Hustler, Oui, etc. magazines) like baseball cards.
And I'll BET we were NOT unique in that regard.
Now. Maybe I'm missing part of the story here. Are we talking about sistahs who had had pictures taken of them without their knowledge? Are we talking about sistahs who have NEVER voluntarily posed nude?
If THAT is what has occurred, then I would agree that something SHOULD be done about that.
But if these are pictures of women who voluntarily posed for nudies and were compensated for such, HOW/WHY is this some kind of racist issue that Black MEN must be held accountable for?
And if we’re going to make brothas responsible for this, are we going to go the next logical step of empowering Black men to PREVENT Black women from posing for the pictures?
Part of what comes with female liberation is women being much more responsible for what they do and do not think and do.
PS: Have should seen or heard of the MYRIAD Girls Gone Wild films? Because it seems to me they are very much an example of the issue you and others decry here. And MOST the women in most of those films are WHITE. |
Renata
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And it's even more telling that these women's pictures are posted by the most racist students perhaps in the entire Southeast, and I can tell you for a FACT that these weren't girlfriends of the guys....and people take the STUDENTS' side.
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Renata
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ABM...one difference is that you gave them to friends IN SECRECY. The day you (or ANYONE, for that matter) have the AUDACITY to post them around campus and give them even to NON-FRIENDs and such, I may have something different to say.
Just as I said, women of ALL races take nude pics, so why are ours a JOKE to be posted PUBLICLY?
White women's nude pictures are handed to friends, Black women's nude pictures are posted IN PUBLIC. If you can't see the difference in what this says about how people VIEW the MODESTY of the women in the pictures (how one is for the eyes of a few, while the other is for the enjoyment of EVERYONE), I can't quite explain it to you. |
Renata
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But, if you don't believe me....take a few and post them around Morehouse in public, and SIT THERE ON THE STEPS and count the days before the Klan shows up. |
Chrishayden
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I'm sick of all this whining.
I'm going out and dog me a black woman just for this!
Where is Cynique?
She's still black, isn't she? |
Abm
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Renata,
If and when you could convince me that there has NEVER been any instances of White men posting and flashing nude pictures of White and other non-Black women on college campuses, MAYBE I could roll with you. But I've been on ENUFF colleges/universities throughout this country and know enuff about the mentality of youthful male arrogance and lasciviousness to argue that that would NOT be true.
The ONLY reason this has seen the light of day is because the women were Black and this happened in the South. If those where White women, there wouldn't even be enuff interest in and/or concern about the issues to even make it into the University of GA's campus newpaper. |
Renata
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LOL I can PROMISE you, on the UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA campus, those WOULD NEVER have been white women's pictures. They try so hard to intimidate black people from attending there, but they find enough naked pictures of them and NONE of white women when it's clear through their associations/mating habits that it's clearly white women they prefer? But this has nothing to do with them disrespecting black women? Please.
But, again, just find me ONE campus ANYWHERE IN THE US where pictures of other women are posted IN PUBLIC. Then I might see what you're saying. And not one picture of the ex-girlfriend of some heartbroken boy....pictures of women who may as well be NAMELESS to the people posting them. Find me that school......or better yet, my earlier suggestion, post some pictures of Hispanic and White women at Morehouse, and see if their MEN don't kick more than a little ass before the week is out. |
Prettybabygirl
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Abm, what has this got to do with nudie pictures?
What about all the more important issues raised in this article?
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Prettybabygirl
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Renata you are so missing the point of the argument. It's frustrating you can't get past nudie pics and get to the way sistas are disrespected differently and moreso than white women and other races regardless of some damn naked pictures.
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Renata
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Actually, that's part of my point. You all KNOW other women wouldn't have had their pictures posted in public. Traded between friends, maybe. Shown at a party, maybe. Posted OUTSIDE, hell no.
This is only a part of the problem. But all the other ways they are disrespected aren't TANGIBLE. You can't see, hear, or feel many other ways of disrespect. But you can't deny a picture.
It's quite interesting what she says about Desperate Housewives.........6 women on the show, only one's a psycho. Guess which one? LOL I don't watch the show and now I'm glad I don't. But other people will just say "so what if she's a psycho? You said you wanted more black women in the movies, we just had to find the perfect role for her".
Whatever. |
Tonya
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Does anybody know ANYTHING about the picture incident? Maybe the author didn't see it as a "boys will be boys" occurrence, Abm. How were the pictures being displayed? What was the atmosphere? I mean, it's not like white men in this country haven't used images of naked and fully clothed black women to make racist statements. Sarah Bartman? Aunt Jemima? (“Mammy”) caricatures? |
Tonya
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"What about all the more important issues raised in this article?"
Exactly Pretty. I thought the sister wrote a powerful article.
The picture thing was one very small aspect of it. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Pardon me. But are Black women being FORCED to pose nude, allow themselves to be dragged around by dog collars (with Black female MTV president Christina Norman producing cartoons of such), act like TV ‘Nazis’ and ‘psychopaths’, etc.?
Doesn’t matter. They still see themselves as helpless victims. Everyone is trying to destroy and denigrate them. Even though they made the personal decision to take their clothes off, it’s still some else’s fault and they are the victims.
I am ALL for Black men stepping up for their women, mothers, sisters and female kin & friends. But it seems to me what must ALSO be included in the calculus of what Dr. McCloud asserts is some Black FEMALE respectability and accountability.
I agree. But again, it doesn’t matter. Being a helpless victim with no recourse or sense of personal responsibility is more preferable and easier.
'Cause, ladies, ain't NO man - Black, White or Brown - gone respect you if you don't FIRST respect your dayamselves.
On the money! You speak the truth. But again, they are strident in their denial and victimization paranoia. So what you said means nothing to them.
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Tonya
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Actually, Abm sounds like the racist white man who makes excuses for racism.
“Black men make up the bulk of prisoners; why not treat them like criminals?”
Never mind the fact that discrimination is almost as responsible for their plight as their own behavior. |
Abm
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Renata,
Let's mutually concede that NEITHER of us is at this moment prepared to prove or disprove whether pictures of non-Black woman have been publicly posted on any American college campuses. We can go back in forth on what we THINK about whether or not such had or would occur, but NEITHER of us can EMPIRICALLY support of our position.
Tonya,
I do not know how the pictures were displayed. And Dr. McCloud did not mention any detail about such within her article.
Perhaps she omitted details about what the White guys did because she didn't consider such to be particular important to her thesis. Or perhaps her revealing that might NOT be as supportive of what she's arguing as she’d desire.
I’m sure you know what foks leave OUT of their writing can be more important than what they include within it.
Your equating my commentary with that of a White racist is unworthy of a response.
Ntfs,
Dr. McCloud’s own article mentions is a Black WOMAN who approves the airing of the demeaning Snoop Dogg cartoons on MTV. Yet...You see any criticism of HER amongst the chorus of castigations here?
Some sistahs are gonna have to learn that they can’t have their cake and eat it too.
Ladies,
Here's my basic deal: If you do what I want and need for you to do, then I will consider it my bloodoath duty to defend your honor, even to the death if necessesary.
But if you want to remain free to think, be and do WHATEVER the hell you want to do, dayam what any man thinks and feels of it, then you better also be capable of backing your shyt up. |
Chrishayden
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All:
I can assure you that ABM is serious about his love for black women. He will die for you. He places nobody above you.
NoBODY--
Don't let it come between y'all and his comic books, though.
See ya wouldn't wanna be ya! |
Abm
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Chris,
"Have at THEE!!!" |
Tonya
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Abm, I wasn't looking for a response. Your posts speak volumes.
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Dr. McCloud:
Sadly, too, those blacks in position to present black women in a better light, including Oprah, often fail to do so. Tyler Perry and Martin Lawrence, more so, get rich on the image of the fat, gun-toting, loud black granny.
Shonda Rhimes, the black female creator/producer of "Grey's Anatomy," has the black male character sleeping with Asian Sandra Oh (who brushes her teeth in the kitchen sink), while Chandra Wilson, the lone black actress on the show, is "the Nazi."
And MTV — whose president, Christina Norman, is a black woman — recently aired a cartoon to young Saturday morning viewers entitled "Where My Dogs At," which had black women squatting on all fours, tethered to leashes. In 2004, U.S. Army reservist Sgt. Lynndie England subjected Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib to the same denigration and was convicted and sentenced to prison. Where is the justice for black women?
Tonya:
Oprah, Shonda Rhymes, Christina Norman...sounds like she's castigating them to me WHILE NAMING NAMES. And unlike Martin and Tyler Perry, she devoted entire paragraphs to these women. As for her TWO LINES to black men in general, which were: "...sadly, many black men are inexplicably silent, standing on the sidelines"-----AND-----"Black men need to step forward: Say and do something. Honor your women. Speak to young boys"---THEY WERE MET WITH AN EQUALLY SCATHING DEMAND FOR BLACK WOMEN: "I suggest congressional hearings to effect a tangible change in the depiction of women in music videos. Black women who participate in such videos must stop; there are better, more respectful ways to gain acceptance."
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Posted on Sat, Sep. 09, 2006
Georgia fraternity suspended for showing nude photos
Associated Press
ATHENS, Ga. - University of Georgia officials suspended the Chi Phi fraternity indefinitely Friday after pledges to the group flashed pictures of nude black women to passersby on campus.
The fraternity is barred from holding its traditional new member induction ceremony this weekend or any other social event until an investigation is complete.
According to campus police, seven university students and a visitor to campus photographed people's reactions as they showed them photos from a pornographic magazine that features black women.
Chi Phi President Matthew Hughes said that the chapter is "embarrassed" about the incident, which he said was not sanctioned by the fraternity. He declined to say why the students showed the pictures.
The fraternity is cooperating with the university on the investigation, he said.
"We are trying our best to go down the right path," Hughes said.
This isn't the fraternity's first time to be in trouble with the university.
In 1999, Chi Phi was suspended for alledgely providing alcohol to a 19-year-old pledge. The following year, the fraternity was cleared on hazing accusations from visiting Georgia Tech pledges.
Information from: Athens Banner-Herald, http://www.onlineathens.com
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Renata
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Tonya, the pictures were posted around the dorm in public areas, some pictures were thrown at people, and sometimes the guys would just jump out with a picture in someone's face and scream. |
Lil_ze
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maybe if some of these lazy black whores would stop posing for pornographic magazines, maybe there would be nothing for people to "post up", "throw at people", or "jump out at people with".
just a thought. |
Abm
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Tonya & Renata,
Had you presented in your initial posts what you’ve included in your most recent ones, you probably would have garnered my empathy and understanding. But, as OFTEN seems the case around here, if anyone expresses an opinion that even so much as appears to runs counter to Black Girl Empowerment, one’s immediately interned into some rhetorical hell of sorts.
It's pretty incredible what has been occurring on this website.
I mean, there's like no room for foks to express a difference of opinion without being cast as a miscreant, stooge, Nazi, sellout, misogynist, etc.
Tonya: "Your posts speak volumes."
You're dayam right they do. And fuck you or anyone else who don't like what they say.
PS: Ladies. I can promise you, if I am your devil, you really outtah just abandon any/all hope of having ANY kind of good thoughts for and relations with Black men. Though, perhaps, THAT is what some of you prefer...and hope to engender amongst OTHER women. |
Igbogirl
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The bit about the brownskinned sisters always looking stern in photographs and being bald is way OTT. Naomi Campbell and Lauryn Hill ALWAYS look sexy and glamorous.
However, I do think that some black have lost their minds. An increasing number of black men are acting like a white, Asian or Hispanic woman is automatically superior to a black woman. It has reached the point where some brothers would rather be with a toothless, crazy, broke-down, overweight white woman than an attractive, cultured, beautiful sister. THAT is very sad and I don't understand it. |
Renata
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LOL, Igbogirl...reminds me of a joke that a fat white guy said once on BET....YEARS AGO, my mother has/had cable. The sad part is HE WAS RIGHT!
He said: I've seen black men turn down a fine black woman for a white woman I wouldn't go out with.
LOL....
ABM, I said near the beginning of my postings that they were posted in public, and that white women here are just happy that they're not subject to that kind of treatment. (That bitch knew I overhead that, however, I can't say she was wrong).
Women of all races pose nude. Somehow, only one race of them are whores. It just saddens me that even WE seem to think of it as so NORMAL that WE are the only whores in something EVERYONE does. |
Igbogirl
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LOL, Igbogirl...reminds me of a joke that a fat white guy said once on BET....YEARS AGO, my mother has/had cable. The sad part is HE WAS RIGHT!
He said: I've seen black men turn down a fine black woman for a white woman I wouldn't go out with.
It is so true. I could be out walking with a toothless, homeless white great-grandmother and a brother would probably step to her before he stepped to me. Especially if she still had her blonde hair ;)
The really interesting thing is that when I'm with white girlfriends, black men are suddenly ALL OVER my girlfriends like crazy. Like they're assuming because these white chicks are friends with me, they must like black people. I was having lunch with a 45 year old white female friend and the black waiter who looked maybe 30, tucked a note into our check saying "I think you're cute. HEre's my phone number." then he came over to the table to make it clear that the note was for my white friend and not for me.
Another time I was with a very striking darkskinned Ghanian girlfriend and a really fine chocolate brother was walking towards us. We made some comment to each other about how fine he was and we were smiling/giggling. He said, "I don't know what you fucking bitches are laughing at." Wonder if he'd have acted the same way if we were toothless white chicks? |
Yvettep
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There will always be people (men and women) posing nude (and dancing nude and having sex for money...) so long as this is an easy way for people to make money. There will always be consumers of such fare so long as sex is still attached to so many "issues" (e.g., shame, fear, denial, etc.)
I find it curious that these young men apparently thought Black nude women would be extra shocking. If I were to fictionalize this account, this is what I'd say happened:
One of these fraternity guys was using these pictures for hhis own enjoyment, and was caught by one of his brothers. The brother said something along the lines of "Ewww! Why are you looking at these pictures of these n*****s?" The first guy was too embarassed to admit that he has had chocolate fantasies ever since he saw Tarantino's "Jackie Brown" so says something like "Dude, I was thinking we could throw these at people and freak them out and sh**." The second guy, too embarassed to admit that he has had a thing for Black women ever since his parents' maid's niece came to visit, says "Yeah, dude, that'd be sweet!"
I don't know. Coulda happened like that... |
Ntfs_encryption
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”Had you presented in your initial posts what you’ve included in your most recent ones, you probably would have garnered my empathy ……………to Black Girl Empowerment, one’s immediately interned into some rhetorical hell of sorts.”
I like that. I was thinking the same thing. If your commentary even suggests an opinion that runs contrary to the obsessive skin color crazed bashing and Black Women Rule rhetoric, stand by for a Molotov cocktail through your front window.
"It's pretty incredible what has been occurring on this website. I mean, there's like no room for foks to express a difference of opinion without being cast as a miscreant, stooge, Nazi, sellout, misogynist, etc.”
Thank you again. If you differ from the skewed dogma of their hermetically sealed world of self congratulatory bombast , gender paranoia and race baiting, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS A HATER OF BLACK WOMEN, BLACK PEOPLE AND THE MOST POPULAR AND TRENDY INSULT –SELF HATERED.
”PS: Ladies. I can promise you, if I am your devil, you really outtah just abandon any/all hope of having ANY kind of good thoughts for and relations with Black men. Though, perhaps, THAT is what some of you prefer...and hope to engender amongst OTHER women.”
Your point is well taken. But they will brush your insightful suggestion aside in return for continuing their toxic black male bashing and vitriol that bonds them together and helps to justify their bonding sessions of bitterness and name calling. It’s so sad.
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Yvettep
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He said, "I don't know what you fucking bitches are laughing at."
ABM, Ntfs, other gentlemen: Can you hear/feel the pain involved in being on the receiving side of something like this? Would you want men who look like you saying such things to your (future) daughters, sisters, cousins?
I am not of the opinion that we Black women should let such experiences define us, or make us bitter. But I can still feel empathy for what this kind of thing (over and over again) does to one's spirit. I would hope that we could all acknowledge at least that much. |
Tonya
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Abm, you are sexist; you probably don't see it but you are. Other than that, however, you are a wonderful, sensitive guy. And I do not mean to offend you because for one, even as sexist as you are, you're my favorite male poster on this board. And, along with Kola, you are also my favorite poster overall.  You just need to be hipped to your sexist ways every now & then; that's all…especially when they seem to cheapen our most painful experiences as Black women or make light of them. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"Women of all races pose nude. Somehow, only one race of them are whores. It just saddens me that even WE seem to think of it as so NORMAL that WE are the only whores in something EVERYONE does."
Excuse me??? What world are you living in? What makes you think for one second that only black women are criticized and denigrated for nude modeling or pornographic activities? When are other women getting a free pass for showing their naked asses while black women are being harshly criticized for the exact same thing??
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Grind
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Dr. McCloud highlights the need for blacks to produce our own media. I don't expect non-blacks to care about what's good for us. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"However, I do think that some black have lost their minds. An increasing number of black men are acting like a white, Asian or Hispanic woman is automatically superior to a black woman. It has reached the point where some brothers would rather be with a toothless, crazy, broke-down, overweight white woman than an attractive, cultured, beautiful sister. THAT is very sad and I don't understand it."
Really? So what exactly do you want from these brothers? And why do you concern yourself with what they do? You have no personal dependence, association nor history with these men. So why is their personal life so important to you?
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Brownbeauty123
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NTFS, would you please stop excessively interrogating other posters. What is YOUR point? |
Schakspir
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Abm: Tonya & Renata,
Had you presented in your initial posts what you’ve included in your most recent ones, you probably would have garnered my empathy and understanding. But, as OFTEN seems the case around here, if anyone expresses an opinion that even so much as appears to runs counter to Black Girl Empowerment, one’s immediately interned into some rhetorical hell of sorts.
It's pretty incredible what has been occurring on this website.
I mean, there's like no room for foks to express a difference of opinion without being cast as a miscreant, stooge, Nazi, sellout, misogynist, etc.
Tonya: "Your posts speak volumes."
You're dayam right they do. And fuck you or anyone else who don't like what they say.
PS: Ladies. I can promise you, if I am your devil, you really outtah just abandon any/all hope of having ANY kind of good thoughts for and relations with Black men. Though, perhaps, THAT is what some of you prefer...and hope to engender amongst OTHER women.
Schakspir: This is what I've been saying all along. The board is so skewered in favor of this strange, catty clique of bitter, aging women who feel inadequate, and project their own feelings of inadequacy upon the world, creating a twisted world view that has nothing whatsoever to do with reality....and when you challenge that twisted world view, they take it personally, like you've violated a psychological complex. They then go into knee-jerk mode and start shrieking at you like Nazis. There's simply no room on this board for legitimate debate as long as these particular girls drop by for their overblown, pompous bullshit. |
Lil_ze
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schakspir, i agree with you. this board is filled with angry, bitter black females (not all). 5 or 6 women have some distorted world view, and all of a sudden their view becomes reality.
sometimes i feel like this board should be titled "angry-bitter black women". |
Renata
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Perhaps if more men lived in communities WITH their women and children, you'd probably know what there is to be angry about.
There's a book out by Fantasia Barrino. I read just a very small portion of it, but I plan on buying it. The guy she had her child by decided to leave town to go to college after she got pregnant...then basically didn't speak to her again even after the child was born.
Fantasia herself was raised by a grandMOTHER and her MOTHER (no father and no grandfather around). Now her own daughter is without a father and grandfather as well. And I'm willing to bet MONEY that his girl will someday be one of those "bitter" women who has a distance from men.
As someone who grew up in the same situation and has lived in neighborhoods where maybe 90% (and I'm being conservative) of the inhabitants lived in the same situation (and where men basically turn 18-20 and leave town, but not before having 4 or 5 children), I can see why they would be angry.
A friend of my own at the time I was 19 or 20 or so had a child with a guy who was talking marriage and everything. The child was born and I KNEW it was his because she had his grey eyes. Well, first he denied the child and when the DNA test proved otherwise, he decided he needed to go somewhere to school. The child should be about 11 or 12 now, but I know as of her 5th birthday, he hadn't been back around.
More men would probably know what women were angry about, if they would just stick around and see.
Men want to talk about us "understanding" them, but you can't learn to understand or trust someone who doesn't wish to even make themselves known to you. |
Abm
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Tonya,
I don't mind being called sexist. I know that I am. And so, actually, are YOU, btw. Only, it's much more fashionable, these days, for a Black woman to be sexist than it is for a Black man.
Equating my views to that of a White racist is just flat-out unfair and WRONG.
There are times when we can go TOO FAR to make our point. And that, my dear, is what you did there.
Lastly, I was asking YOU and the rest of the ladies HERE why YOU emphasize some ALLEDGE failings of Black men for things that Black women WILLINGLY engage in and - in the case of MTV's Black female PRESIDENT - create, promote and distribute. Why don’t these WOMEN suffer your reproofs?
Renata,
Perhaps I’m splitting hairs here. But saying something was “posted in public” is one thing. Saying “the pictures were posted around the dorm in public areas, some pictures were thrown at people, and sometimes the guys would just jump out with a picture in someone's face and scream.” is another.
Again. I think if McCloud - the AUTHOR of the article that initiated this discussion - had clearly stated HOW Black women were being demeaned at U. Georgia as you later described, I probably would NOT have had much of debate here.
Yvettep,
It has been my observation that White men are turned on yet intimidated by their perception of the sexual accoutrements and prowess of Black women. No doubt their perceptions are being exaggerated by popular media portrayals of Black females.
I feel the “pain” that you and the sistas express here. I do. But I think you can NOT address this by primarily vilifying Black men when most of what’s going down is by the volition and reinforcement of Black WOMEN.
Simply: In this post-feminist age, just how much can/should Black men be blamed for what Black women do...for and to THEMSELVES?
And I’m not at all excusing what those guys did. But I remember enuff about my college years to know that 19 year old guys are capable of doing some god-awful shyt. And that INCLUDES White, Black, Brown and Yellow ones.
PS: I wonder whether there ARE enuff Black MEN at the University of GA to defend anybody. I'll BET there are not nearly as many of them as there are Black women. And maybe THAT is a most RELAVENT to what did and did not go down at University of GA. |
Renata
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Thanks, ABM...you got a clue at least.
Also, I'm sorry for seeming so angry at you. I'm really not and I respect you (ABOVE most men here, truthfully).
I wasn't really arguing with you, but at the entire subject.
There aren't many black people at the U of GA AT ALL. They've been trying to get more black people to go there, but they just aren't interested. But again, the students there are overtly racist, so it shouldn't be too much of a mystery. |
Abm
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Renata,
Renata: "Fantasia herself was raised by a grandMOTHER and her MOTHER (no father and no grandfather around)."
I have not read Fantasia's autobiography. But I did see the movie that purports to be based on her life (on Lifetime, I think.). And in the movie, it seemed quite that FATHER figured quite PROMINENTLY in her life. From what I can divine, her FATHER was the one who trained and promoted her singing talents when she was a young child. And, according to the movie, when she'd had some trouble and got frustrated, it was her FATHER who compelled her to NOT abandon auditioning for American Idol.
I'm SURPRISE that, apparently, her book and her movie (one in which she STARRED in) would so substantially DIFFER in this regard.
Lastly, the problem with being angry is that it becomes a monster unto itself that consumes and destroys whomever it is born to. |
Renata
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That may be so...I didn't watch the movie, and only read a small portion of the book which stated she was raised by her mother and grandmother.
When I read the entire book, I'll let you all know what it's like.
OH, I don't stay angry for long. It's usually gone within 24 hours, but I see what you're saying. |
Tonya
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Fuck you Abm. Eat my ass. |
Abm
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Tonya: "Fuck you Abm. Eat my ass."
Now that THERE is the 'Tonya' we've all grown to know and love.
I’ll tell you what, babe. You show me your a$$ and I’ll root it out for yah.
Deal? |
Cynique
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My, my, Tonya! What a gross display of ad hominem venom spewing. And it's directed at ABM, your comrade in arms. How quickly we forget. |
Tonya
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"You show me your a$$ and I’ll root it out for yah.
Deal?"
With what?
Not with the WOOD??? |
Ntfs_encryption
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"Fuck you Abm. Eat my ass."
See, this is exactly what I was talking about. ABM tried to bring objectivity and honest commentary to a very emotional issue. The man attempted to introduce reason to an otherwise hysterical subject that often leads to even more heighten tension and animosity. His reward? He must now fuck himself and then eat someone’s ass (which may not even be washed!). I dunno.....
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Tonya
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It wouldn't surprise me if you thought all black women's asses weren't washed, just like YOU THOUGHT THAT THEY ALL HAVE DIRTY FEET...like your mother. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"It wouldn't surprise me if you thought all black women's asses weren't washed, just like YOU THOUGHT THAT THEY ALL HAVE DIRTY FEET...like your mother."
OMG! Stop being childish! Leave the individuals mother out of your anger fits or disagreement .They have nothing to do with the argument (not to mention the fact you don't personally know them). Stay focused my dear. And no, I don't believe that all black women do not wash their feet or butts. I've never made racist generalizations like that.
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Abm
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Tonya,
Don't worry, babe.
Where daddy lay his "WOOD"...is ALL GOOD!!!
*wink* |
Abm
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Ntfs,
Don't sweat it, Kemosabee. You kinda gotta ride the ebb and flow.
And I'm a brillant and capable Black man who's got a libido and dyck to match.
So with sistas like Tonya I'll ALWAYS win. Be it in the beginning or the(ir) middle or end.
Right Tonya? *wink* |
Brownbeauty123
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Guys like you ABM are all talk. |
Abm
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BB123,
Don't you be hatin'. |
Tonya
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((("I've never made racist generalizations like that.")))
Sure you did, you Negro-loathing piece of shitwitted self-obliterator.
I'm blessed with a photographic memory.
If you were worth the time I'd pull the thread.
The hell you interpret from YOUR OWN BLACK SKIN is TORTURE enough. |
Brownbeauty123
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Please pull the thread Tonya. I want to be entertained. |
Tonya
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Abm,
Yeah *wink*
...whatever BIGdaddy. |
Lil_ze
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i don't know where this thread is going? but i do know that i just LOVE redbone girls.
there is nothing that gets me going more than a nice light-skin girl. i really like when they have freckles and red hair.
ahhhhh, thank heavens for redbone, light skin females.
they make the world a little brighter!!!!!!!!!! |
Brownbeauty123
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You just described a Raggedy Ann doll. |
Schakspir
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Actually, he described you. |
Mzuri
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There's a book out by Fantasia Barrino. I read just a very small portion of it, but I plan on buying it. The guy she had her child by decided to leave town to go to college after she got pregnant...then basically didn't speak to her again even after the child was born.
Fantasia herself was raised by a grandMOTHER and her MOTHER (no father and no grandfather around). Now her own daughter is without a father and grandfather as well. And I'm willing to bet MONEY that his girl will someday be one of those "bitter" women who has a distance from men.
As someone who grew up in the same situation and has lived in neighborhoods where maybe 90% (and I'm being conservative) of the inhabitants lived in the same situation (and where men basically turn 18-20 and leave town, but not before having 4 or 5 children), I can see why they would be angry.
A friend of my own at the time I was 19 or 20 or so had a child with a guy who was talking marriage and everything. The child was born and I KNEW it was his because she had his grey eyes. Well, first he denied the child and when the DNA test proved otherwise, he decided he needed to go somewhere to school. The child should be about 11 or 12 now, but I know as of her 5th birthday, he hadn't been back around.
I find all of this (your frame of mind) bothersome. Because women should know BETTER. Talking marriage? How about actually getting married before having children. Especially if your own upbringing has clued you in to the disadvantages of being raised by a single parent. Look - just because a man has sex with you (at the tender age of 18-24 or whatever) does NOT mean he wants to spend his life with YOU. So don't lay up there and let your stupid ass get PREGNANT. Duh!!! It's women's own fault that we find ourselves in these deplorable conditions. We put ourselves there. OURSELVES!!! But now it's BITTER TIME?
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Dahomeyahosi
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Grind you are absolutely right when you say: Dr. McCloud highlights the need for blacks to produce our own media. I don't expect non-blacks to care about what's good for us.
I'm amazed that more black people don't see the absurdity in waiting around to get hired and correctly portrayed by non-blacks. On that noe I'm glad the woman who wrote the article pointed her finger at blacks as well as whites because we are still our own worst enemies. |
Renata
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Post Number: 1328
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 11:43 am: |
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Mzuri,
YOUNG GIRLS want so badly to trust men and believe that they're truthful that they fall for that bullshit.
Women like me, who DIDN'T trust a man for as far as I could throw them, didn't get boyfriends....and didn't get stuck with kids by them, either. But I learned at an earlier age not to trust men.
For people OUR age, what you said makes a lot of sense. For someone young and in love, they WANT to believe that their love is being returned. The women in MS and AL that I talked about in another thread (3 or 4 kids, working and still qualifying for welfare, and they have men living there not working) were women I knew when I was YOUNG. These same women NOW won't allow a man to have a sandwich in their home.
Some people just learn the hard way. |
Igbogirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 11:57 am: |
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Renata
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Post Number: 1329
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 - 11:59 am: |
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Marriage doesn't always guarantee anything anyway.
The brother of a friend (I don't know him personally) is getting a lot of flack from his family (as he should if what they say is true): He's been married 4 years and has 3 children with his wife. He wants a divorce because he never wanted children and his wife "STUCK HIM" with three. (You'd think he would've gotten a clue after the FIRST child and worn a condom, or gotten a vasectomy if he doesn't want any children.) She told him before marrying him that she wanted a LOT of children with him and wanted to be married first.
Now, again, I don't know him personally, but if he's TRULY leaving her because she had kids, I hope she drains him of every nickel he has.
But this is only information that was told to me, so I can't say how much is true or false. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 1457
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Right. Marriage doesn't guarantee anything and not being married promises even less. Women who have children with a passing fancy deserve exactly what they receive. Nothing. And when those women and children are second and third generation single parent no-daddy families, I have absolutely no compassion at all - not for the women. We need to get it together. |
Shemika
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Post Number: 190
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 11:16 pm: |
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The so called bm on here are despicable. Their sexist-racism, and selective observation sounds just like David Duke. If it ain't about keeping the bm down they don't want to hear it. But bw are the whiners. I have not one once of respect for any of them or anything they have to say. Black women are basically on their own. They keep calling bw jealous, but they are the ones dying to fill the wm's shoes by acting just like them. I guess that's why they post pictures of wm in tights, they are their heros - all you have to do is add the hood. |
Schakspir
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Post Number: 639
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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Shemika: The so called bm on here are despicable. Their sexist-racism, and selective observation sounds just like David Duke. If it ain't about keeping the bm down they don't want to hear it. But bw are the whiners. I have not one once of respect for any of them or anything they have to say. Black women are basically on their own. They keep calling bw jealous, but they are the ones dying to fill the wm's shoes by acting just like them. I guess that's why they post pictures of wm in tights, they are their heros - all you have to do is add the hood.
Schakspir: Wrong again, you retarded asshole. |
Shemika
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Post Number: 193
Registered: 02-2006
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Obviously right. Blind azz moronic shyt dipper. |
Schakspir
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Post Number: 640
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The poor fat slob is reduced to ad hominem attacks and childish name-calling. What a joke....
If some black women are disrespected, it's because they INVITE disrespect. Command the respect, not demand it. Start by taking the donut out of your mouth. |
Shemika
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Username: Shemika
Post Number: 196
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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"Schakspir: Wrong again, you retarded asshole.
The poor fat slob is reduced to ad hominem attacks and childish name-calling. What a joke....
If some black women are disrespected, it's because they INVITE disrespect. Command the respect, not demand it. Start by taking the donut out of your mouth."
Shakspir, all these contradictory, schizophrenic comments YOU made are the reason I disrespect your lying dim witted azz. YOU are the one who initiates every response to my posts with childish name calling. Then you try to play Mr. Innocent when I respond in kind. Maybe you can get away with talking down to your mama like that, but you're deluding yourself if you think I'll play along with your BS. Unlike your mama, I'm not partial to spoiled azz shyt dippers like you. And you need to stop trying to fantasize about what I look like; because I don't want your ghoulish azz. |
Igbogirl
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 09:43 am: |
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What I find strange is the number of black women who stay involuntarily single because they are 100% loyal to black men and don't want to date anybody else. While many black women are acting like a white or ASian woman is a bigger prize, many black women wait patiently to find a black men. Sad, considering that lots of white men and Asian men could treat them well and make them happy. I am not saying that all black men are like this - but way too many are. I know quite a few beautiful accomplished black women who don't even get to go on dates. I don't know any white women with similar assets going for them, being in the same situation. I even heard of a black man who was dating white women so that his children (in his own words) "will not be dark and ugly and will have nice hair and softer features." |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 736
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 21, 2006 - 10:06 pm: |
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"The so called bm on here are despicable. Their sexist-racism, and selective observation sounds just like David Duke. If it ain't about keeping the bm down they don't........I guess that's why they post pictures of wm in tights, they are their heros - all you have to do is add the hood."
Yawn.................... |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 737
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 22, 2006 - 10:31 am: |
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”Sure you did, you Negro-loathing piece of shitwitted self-obliterator.”
Sigh….here we go again. That’s the best you can do, huh? Name calling is much easier for you than making an intelligent point isn’t it? All right…..
”I'm blessed with a photographic memory.”
Ha! Ha! Ha! I don’t think so. If you don’t take your meds, no mind, no reality or memory will be available to you. We’ve talked about this before, REMEMBER?
”If you were worth the time I'd pull the thread.”
Oh really? Well, why don’t your just pretend for just one minute (make an exception) and pull the thread where I allegedly suggested black women do not have proper hygiene. Talk the talk…walk the walk…..REMEMBER?
”The hell you interpret from YOUR OWN BLACK SKIN is TORTURE enough.”
Yeah right….and your pathological obsession with skin color and your jealousy of black people whose skin is lighter than yours is not the workings of mental anguish and TORTURE??? Couple that with your wimpy whining paranoiac and victimization rants about black women is not symptomatic of a TORTURED mind either? Uh huh…..once again, PLEASE TAKE THOSE MEDS! It will make your life so much better and the gender and skin color demons in your mind will probably disappear. Hey, it’s worth a try isn’t it?
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