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Crymeariver
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Username: Crymeariver
Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 12:17 pm: | 
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im glad ive stumbled across this web site. looks to be fun and looks to be educational ...so all is good.
i have a question for the various posters out there....why the animosity (at the extreme) or the disconnect (at a minimum) between the african american and the westindian? after all family is family. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 6350
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 05:32 pm: |
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Crymeariver,
First thing: Hi & Welcome.
I didn't know there was this great animosity between African Americans and West Indians. But I have never really thought that African Americans and West Indians view each other as family either.
Whether we should or shouldn't view each other as family, perhaps, another subject altogether. |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 1255
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 05:46 pm: |
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It's not very evident in Atlanta. Many of the business owners in black neighborhoods are from the islands. A lot of them own restaurants...
Heck, I'm hungry....I'm going to one now. |
Shemika
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Username: Shemika
Post Number: 165
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 05:55 pm: |
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Crymeariver,
Welcome. I think blacks should all act as family if we are African/black but we must demonstrate our family alliance by caring about each other and respecting the black identity. Otherwise we are just foolish white supremacists mimicking their ways against each other. When we can rise above acting like uncle toms and practicing white supremacy we can function like a family and start progressing as a people.
We should all care about what's happening to each other because whites and their followers hate us for looking black more then our geographical location.
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Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 3184
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 06:19 pm: |
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Shemika, you are so right.
Also, I think the "prejudices" between AAs and West Indians....or AAs and Africans....are GEOGRAPHICAL, much like East Coast Vs. West Coast.
Of course, West Indians, S. American Blacks and Africans are much closer than we are to Black Americans--but that's because of the type of slavery inflicted on AAs was far worse than in S. America or the West Indies, and thus, they were not able to retain much of their intrinsic acculturation. But still, the relations are not THAT BAD.
I mean...until you've seen the Nigerians encounter the Ethiopians---you ain't seen family drama and all out WAR. Those two groups FIGHT.
Though some claim the fights are "cultural"---I have observed Black American culture to be INTENSELY West African. And I have observed all African cultures to be deeply similar and related.
The cultures of India are very African as well.
In my observations over the years, I see that AAs have mostly---a fear---of anyone who's too genetically black.
They simply ADORE mixed people from BRAZIL or lightskinned East Africans or Arab Egyptians.
So, much of their failure to be close to West Africans is because they hate blackness "aesthetically"...rather than African identity. They want the culture, but not the bloodberry---as they were taught that you can LOOK WHITE but still be black.
Of course the more mixed they become, the less African people are able to see the "stolen ones" that the African is naturally looking for.
It's amazing the ICON-status that India Arie and Don Cheadle have amongst African immigrants in America, because these are AAs who look to be the "stolen ones" in the flesh---this is what they looked like when they first arrive----and so naturally, the Africans recognize them immediately.
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Shemika
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Username: Shemika
Post Number: 166
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 07:50 pm: |
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Thanks Kola, great info. I also agree with you about how blacks here want the black culture but not the black physical appearance. It’s sad and outright stupid. -All that claiming to have black pride yet loathing the reality of blackness. It’s a tragic joke that non blacks play against them but many are too foolish to realize it. I can understand how we are indoctrinated here to think that way but I remember coming to the realization of how we were being played a long time ago.
I'm not surprised AA are like West Africans, since I heard some former AA slaves returned there centuries ago and ended up practicing racism. I had a great learning experience in high school once when we exchanged letters with Liberians (I believe it was) and a person wrote about the tragic colorism other there.
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Crymeariver
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Username: Crymeariver
Post Number: 2
Registered: 09-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 10:39 am: |
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thank u all so much for your responses and welcomes.
i think im most heartened by renata's response which simply states its not evdent in atlanta...thats good to know. there are a couple of things i'd want some clarification or some further exposition on.
first-kola_boof asserts that the slavery imposed on the african american was much worse than elsewhere. well my question here is how do we verify that? ive heard exactly the opposite i.e. that iberian slavery was much worse than any other. but again i have no evidence which justifies such a claim. i am wondering if kola_boof can provide any.
again im not convinced by a claim that all african cultures are similar but i dont know if algeria, morocco and so on are counted as part of africa. it would seem to me that those cultures are different.
on reflection, i think it was a little niave of me to suggest that black folk are all family. perhaps in this way as one or two people have said above we are like other human beings with our prejudices i.e there is immense antipathy between the english and the irish, french and germans and they are all white europeans. and even within say a country like england antipathy/prejudice between those from the north and those from the south.
in nigeria there is antipathy/mistrust between ibo and hausa etc perhaps its just a "human" condition.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 3191
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 11:19 am: |
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Why do I always have to explain what should be COMMON KNOWLEDGE?
(A) Liberian slaves were allowed to speak their native languages, weren't they???
Black Americans were HUNG if they uttered a single word of their native languages, and thus, their children to this day have no LINEAGE ties because of it.
(B) Liberian slaves were allowed to keep their tribal and cultural names and pass these on to their children, weren't they?
Black Americans were not. They have no idea where they came from in Africa or what their family names would have been.
(C) It's COMMON KNOWLEDGE that "tribes" were not split up during slavery in Liberia or in South America or the West Indies (or in Louisiana, as it was owned by France). In this way, whole families could endure slavery TOGETHER----whole tribes could continue to practice their rituals and preserve their distinctive African looks by continuing to mate with their own tribes.
Black American slaves were not allowed to do this.
The American Slave Master had a rule---that all tribes must be broken apart and INTEGRATED with one another---thereby forcing a Fulani to mate with a Yoruba. A Mandingo with a Denkyira.
And this is how LANGUAGE was removed and cultural identity shattered amongst the Black American slaves.
(D) Liberian slavery didn't even last 1/4th the time that Black American slavery lasted. So what the fuck are you talking about???
And today---Liberia has its own nation. They still look like Liberians, they still have their tribes, languages and cultures----INTACT.
The Black American is a completely scattered, psychologically abused stock estranged from their own identity and estranged from their own culture right here in America. They have no country of their own---they live in the shadow of White and Latino Dominating Culture.
When a Liberian slave DIED---at least he died with DIGNITY. He knew his name, his tribe and his own language.
That's far more than Black Americans ever had.
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Crymeariver
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Username: Crymeariver
Post Number: 3
Registered: 09-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 11:30 am: |
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sorry kola but i think u have misunderstood me. i mentioned "i"berian slavery ...that is spanish and portuguese slavery not "L"iberian.
i mentioned iberian becos it was supposed to be different from that of british slavery etc.
also (and this is a small point) common knowledge like common sense is very uncommon...so please take it easy with those like me who know less than u. |
Lil_ze
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Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 451
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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kola boof is so dam stupid that she probably doesn't know that there actually was slavery in the iberian penninsula. notice how she went off on some rant about "liberian" slavery, and that wasn't even what was referenced. i read the post and knew instantly that "iberian" slavery was what was being spoken about. but this wanna-be celebrity african idiot did not. it shows you how a third world nobody can convince themselves that they know it all. stupid ugly african dog. |
Shemika
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Username: Shemika
Post Number: 170
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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Lil_flea, I'm so sick of your ignorant backward azz hole. Every time you open your mouth you sound like a reject from the redneck squadron. Lewd azz filthy pedophile. |
Lil_ze
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Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 453
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 10:45 pm: |
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who is a pedophile? where is your proof for saying this? when an idiot can't discuss an issue on its merits, they attempt to slander a person by name calling. please show the PROOF you have for calling someone a pedophile. you don't have any do you. you stupid angry black whore. what color panties are you wearing, shemika? do you smell clean "down there"? |
Shemika
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Username: Shemika
Post Number: 172
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 11:11 pm: |
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Lil_flea, -you azzhole hypocrite. You need some manhood beat into your ugly butt. You're the one who calls people names lying dog, because YOU have no merit. So you're just getting back what you put out.
Your whole schizophrenic, shallow attitude toward black females discloses what a sick nasty fiend you are. You’re not fit to mate with a hippo. |
Lil_ze
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Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 454
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 01:15 am: |
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shemika, i give it to a black female like you. id give it really hard, and you'd beg me for more.
please tell me what color panties you have on, what your feet look like, and if you are clean "down there". i want to know, so i can lick you in those places.
shemika, it would feel so great giving it to you. especially cause you have on of those "black names"-SHEMIKA. what ghetto did you grow up in? what trash collection service did your father work for? what kind of houses did your mother clean for a living? do tell SHEMIKA (great ghetto name).
"my name is shemika, and im an angry black woman"! |
Crymeariver
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Username: Crymeariver
Post Number: 4
Registered: 09-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 01:59 am: |
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kola_boof please dont abandon the thread!!!
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Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 577
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 09:45 pm: |
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"The Black American is a completely scattered, psychologically abused stock estranged from their own identity and estranged from their own culture right here in America. They have no country of their own---they live in the shadow of White and Latino Dominating Culture."
Yes, madame. Just like you, in fact.
Birds of a feather, what? |
Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 578
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 09:48 pm: |
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Lil_ze: shemika, i give it to a black female like you. id give it really hard, and you'd beg me for more.
please tell me what color panties you have on, what your feet look like, and if you are clean "down there". i want to know, so i can lick you in those places.
shemika, it would feel so great giving it to you. especially cause you have on of those "black names"-SHEMIKA. what ghetto did you grow up in? what trash collection service did your father work for? what kind of houses did your mother clean for a living? do tell SHEMIKA (great ghetto name).
"my name is shemika, and im an angry black woman"!
Schakspir: exactly. The very name SHEMIKA means I HAVE NO CLASS AND AM A STUCK-UP SKANK HO CHICKENHEAD TRASH BITCH WHO THINKS SHE'S A REAL WOMAN! |
Shemika
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Username: Shemika
Post Number: 182
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 04, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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Schakspir, Maybe the fact you have a problem with the name Shemika indicates how a foot shuffling dimwit like you allows rednecks to define his tastes and values. That's why you mimic them and copy their name: Schakspir, which means you're an unoriginal punk azz, self loathing redneck wantabe. And I suppose the name Lil_ze passed your test because contary to bw, he being a male can do no wrong and maybe the two of you will hook up later for Vaseline and doo doo rubs. |
Lil_ze
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Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 462
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 12:56 am: |
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shemika, what do your feet look like? and what color panties do you have on? do you like to wear panties? when you wear panties in the summer do you get all sweaty down there? if you don't wear panties, do beads of sweat run down your leg from "down there"? i would certainly like to use a lubricant on you shemika. but make sure that you "go" first, so i could fully invade you in that place. please tell me how your feet look. do you douche? when you get you period, do you bleed real heavy? i want to know these things |
Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 581
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 05, 2006 - 02:15 am: |
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Shemika: Schakspir, Maybe the fact you have a problem with the name Shemika indicates how a foot shuffling dimwit like you allows rednecks to define his tastes and values. That's why you mimic them and copy their name: Schakspir, which means you're an unoriginal punk azz, self loathing redneck wantabe. And I suppose the name Lil_ze passed your test because contary to bw, he being a male can do no wrong and maybe the two of you will hook up later for Vaseline and doo doo rubs.
Schakspir:  |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1502
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 01:18 pm: |
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hmmm...let me admit that I have not read the entire thread, so what I say may have been already stated. And since I trying to read some other threads, I aint gonna edit this bad more too much...LOL! So forgive me in advance.
We are all black, but we don't know eachother. West Indians and African Americans are new world Africans; but we are different because the nature of the beast was different, that is chattel slavery.
West Indians have their own nation, we do not. We are really a nation within a nation, though some of us are supra-US patriots. This is a product of demographics and geography, and hence different kinds of notions of emancipation. West Indians [as well as africans] fought for decolonization, we fought for civil rights. Different but similar.
Of more important, because their white oppressor has lost our white oppressor, we have certain resources that they do not have. Again, the nature of oppression! We gained civil rights, but we are still discriminated againt. Nevertheless, since we are still within this country, we are afforded basic things that they don't have that we take for granted.
Now, while they have their own nations, they are poor nations not poor black communities, as is the case of African American. West Indians come here or migrate to their white colonizers country, England or France, for example, in order to improve their life changes.
Also, many of those who migrate here and other metropoles tend to be more educated than African Americans. In many case, they are already professionals. Thus, what happens from the outside, is that we are compared. African Americans know US racism, many new West Indians know it from books but not up close and personal, and they can often be svengalied by US rhetoric, so they think it is easy here and that since this is the case, the poverty of which many african americans suffer is not because of racism but primarily african americans lack of initiative, laziness, etc...
What brings this home is the fact that many west indians are quite successful here, but the majority are not. And when poorer West INdians migrants arrive, after several generations, they are really no different than their African American brethren.
Another component is the fact that African Americans and West Indians tend to have different notions of race. African Americans tend to distrust white folk more, it seems, than West Indians. Also, West Indians are generally better entrepreneurs than African Americans. This too is a consequence of our different experiences. West Indians own their country and after emancipation their continued to maintain their skills as trademen, builders, etc...the whole gamut.
In the US, during slavery we were free labor, so that while most of us worked on the plantation, many also were skilled labor, across the spectrum. After slavery, however, we competed with white skilled labor. As we were either not hired because of our race or excluded from unions because of our race, we had to work as sharecroppers, menial positions in the urban south, northeast, and midwest. After several generation of this double exclusion, what you have is a country full of consumers w/a limited legacy of entrepreneurism.
All of these factors contribut to conflict in the streets, schools, and neigborhoods, and lots and lots of misunderstanding.
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Lil_ze
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Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 474
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 08, 2006 - 09:34 pm: |
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yukio-"west indians have their own nation, we do not".
what nation do the west indians have? the nation of "west india"?
please explain where this nation that the west indians have is located. does this nation have a flag? what is the monetary unit used in this "nation" that west indians have? |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 1284
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, September 09, 2006 - 08:17 pm: |
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**sigh** |
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