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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 06:53 am: | 
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I read an interesting article in the current issue of Essence Magazine (Beyonce is on the cover) regarding African American men traveling to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil to score fantasy sex jaunts. Brothas quoted in the article claim that part of what they enjoy about visiting Brazil is African American male tourist are lauded and praised by native Brazilian women.
Brothas are alleged to be considered especially desirable because they’re supposedly better and more hygienic lovers than non-Black sex tourists.
Thus, otherwise average (perhaps even homely) brothas can, if their money’s right, be temporarily treated to a playah or ballah status in Brazil.
And Brazilian women quoted in the article claim to maintain ongoing relationship with African American where brothas continue to send them money/gifts after they've left Brazil (which, I suppose, would also add to the lure of African American men).
Here’s a link to an interview of the author of the Essence article: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5643506
Have any of you brothas been on any of these Brazilian sex romps? If so, how’d it go? Would you do it again? And if you have not taken such a trip, would (and will) you?
Ladies. What would you do if you discovered men you were involved with were engaged in these Brazilian sexscapades? And, similarly, have any of you done the Stella Got Her Groove Back thang while traveling abroad? |
Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 12:30 pm: |
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LOL....."if their money's right".
(and their kids have to fight them for milk money for 18 years)
Sums it right up for me. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 02:29 pm: |
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Renata,
Every man, eventually, pays for p*ssy. One way or another.
So if he's paying for it, he may as well...at least occassionally...get it the way he wants it. |
Renata
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LOL....You are so wrong....
Men are willing to pay for it...if it doesn't give birth to his children. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:08 pm: |
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There's a big difference between a trick and a big ole trick - if he continues to send money after he has left then he ain't nothin' but a BIG OLE TRICK!!! Four or five of those type of tricks and the Brazilian ho might be set for life. And why does a trick need to travel all the way to Brazil to find a ho anyway? As if there aren't plenty enough hoes right here in the U.S.A. that could use that cash. Revitalize the U.S. economy brothers - buy American pussy - U.S. hoes need your gifts of money and merchandise right here at home!!! |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:12 pm: |
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Renata,
You only say I'm wrong cause you know I'm RIGHT.
Hahahaha!!!
But, yeah, ain't to many dudes taking Brazilian sex soires are looking to make and raise any babies with the women they're knockin' boots with in Rio. And any children who result from such are born into an unfortunate situation.
Although, I suspect, the situation for many of them might much worse than that of the majority of children resulting from coitus between TWO Brazilians. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:17 pm: |
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Mzuri,
Part of the issue is the average brothas who is NOT especially wealthy, famous or goodlooking can momentarily live the life of, say, P.Diddy with women who LOOK the way they'd likely NEVER be able to score - and, specifically, AFFORD - here in the states.
Part of the issue is these Black men enjoy playing the 'hero' or 'savior' to these Brazilian women.
And I also think what's occuring is a manifestation of the prevailing jealousy, conflict and resentment between African American men and women. |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:24 pm: |
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Oh my gosh this is the same as fat old westerners going there and doing it. It shouldn't be excused because they are black.
I pity the idiot who has to resort to using whores in another country (who would probably hump anything). I am getting sick and tired of latin people (especially Brasillians) being used as a sexual commodity to the rest of the world. LOL, I know where the president of vietnam was coming from when he said that he would basically kill anyone who came to his country as a sex tourist.
Can I also say that sex tourism like this in countries like Brasil is a breeding ground for paedophillia. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:29 pm: |
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ABM - If he has the funds to travel to Brazil, then he can find a Black ho right here at home who will make him feel fabulous for as long as he's paid up. And maybe that way he might get a ho that actually goes to the doctor every once in a while. And one that uses condoms.
And BTW, are you going to answer your own questions??? I'm dying to know  |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:42 pm: |
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Mzuri,
Again. I think its more than just about finding a ho. It's about finding and affording a ho who looks as hot as some of those Brazilan chicks do and are able and willing to play up a brothas ego the way he wants it.
And I've read that Brazil has actually done a credible job handing the HIV/STD issue.
The Essence article asserts the Brazilian hookers are as much or MORE likely to require their Johns to strap on a Jimmy Hat than pros here in the States.
I haven't been to Rio. And since I'm married and we DON'T have OPEN marriage, I would not go on a Rio sex tour.
But were I unmarried, and I felt I could adequately preempt HIV/STD infection, I'd probably try it...at least once. |
Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:43 pm: |
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Latina, Thailand comes to mind. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:52 pm: |
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Latina_wi,
I'm not much of a moralist. I'm more a pragmatist, actually.
I'm 100% against adults sexing children. Regardless of where, how and why such might occur. Children simply do not have the physical, mental and emotional preparation to be boning and blowing grown foks.
But if 2 (or more) adults enter into a mutually-agreed upon cash-4-cQQchie bargain, they should be allowed to engage in such. To me, it is simply a personal liberty issue.
As I said to Renata, I believe, to some degree, men - in some form or fashion - PAY for sex. The only real differences are the TERMS upon which such are decided.
And if Latin America (and parts of Asia) truly were "sick" of being the whore of the western world, their people would do what's NECESSARY to preclude such. Starting with building and maintaining some stout and efficient economic and business systems. |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:55 pm: |
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^^^^^LMAO, it most certainly does. I think there is going to be a backlash aginst these sort of men because no one seriouly believe a wrinkly old westerner can pull a young exotic woman. In the town where I live I have seen several old white men with young thai or african wives and they get mocked because NO ONE is falling for it. Even worse, is the man with the african wife is very very old and looks like he is about to drop any minute. He was chasing after his toddlers and I heard his wheezing from a mile away!
Everyone looks at these men as quite sad and people are quite suspcious of them in the fact they had to resort to buying a woman. It is because no woman their own age is falling for their B.S.
Also, oriental men are getting tiresome. It is becoming increasingly harder for them to find a wife and they have become somewhat resentful to the non-oriental men who dates their women.
In Vietnam they are hitting hard on those who visit for sex tourism as it breeds paedophillia and the countries reputation is spoilt. There is a death sentence in vietnam for any man who has sex with an underage girl.
A backlash is also starting against the african american and various other westerners who visit Brasil to take advantage of the whores. Sex tourism isn't pretty or glamourous, it is nasty and desperate. Any man who resorts to it needs to analyse the mess that is his love life! |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:57 pm: |
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ABM - I understand all of that. But isn't it embarrassing for a Black man to pack his bags for a foreign country to get a ho? Wouldn't a brother worry that everyone (travel agents, airport personnel, hotel personnel, cab drivers) knows what he's doing. Tricks don't typically want other people to know what they are up to, and I don't think that a trick wants to feel like a trick, mark or a john. And why would a playah set himself up to get played?
If a man really wants to be treated similar to P. Diddy - then he should do some things to make himself successful instead of chasing after some pussy half a world a way. That's what losers do and that's the reason why these gentlemen are referred to as tricks. Hello!!! |
Savant
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 04:00 pm: |
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Abm: The Essence article asserts the Brazilian hookers are as much or MORE likely to require their Johns to strap on a Jimmy Hat than pros here in the States.
Abm, you're reading selectively.
In the article, it also states that "We both know that given the tales of men who've fahtered children here, it's unlikely that every sexual encounter involves the use of protection".
There's also mention that there is "a horrific problem of sex tourism and children". Whereever there is sex tourism, there is sexual exploitation of children. The two go hand in hand...
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Latina_wi
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Like I said ABM these countries are doing something because higher penalties are being doled out to the sex tourist.
Two consenting adults can do whatever they want but not at someone else's expense. Countries reputations are constantly being spoilt because of the association with sex tourism. And paedophillia is a breeding ground for these places because with sex tourism and exchanging sex for money comes all sorts of other sexual perversions. And if someone is willing to sell their body and put their own reputation and their people's reputation on the line they are almost always going to see anything else as a commodity. Older women prostitutes are known to sell their children when they themeselves become too old.
Many of these countries are effcient both economically and business wise but due to their people gaining a reputation as being a commodity, and due to those who use these 'commodities', their reputations in business and in the international communtites becomes damage.
If your an adult and your into this sort of thing do what you 'got to do'. But remember what your getting involved in and how your little part affects others. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 04:03 pm: |
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Yeah. What if a brother is having sex with a seventeen year old (or someone just beneath the age of consent in Brazil) and gets arrested over there. Do you have any idea how awful it is to get arrested in a foreign country? All of this is so not worth it. |
Latina_wi
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Mzuri said:If a man really wants to be treated similar to P. Diddy - then he should do some things to make himself successful instead of chasing after some pussy half a world a way.
LMAO too true Mzuri. |
Schakspir
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 04:17 pm: |
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Actually, in Brazil, like other Latin countries, the biggest sex industry is between other Brazilians--not foreigners. There are many so-called "termas" in Rio which cater almost exclusively to the native sons. If Brazil(really)wants to clean up its act regarding prostitution, they can start at home. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 04:21 pm: |
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Good Lord. Away is one word y'all. I'm going back to sleep. LOL!!! |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 05:27 pm: |
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Latina_wi,
Nobody's advocating fuhking kids. Bring that up is just red herring argument against adult people doing what adult people want to do.
And, hell. There's just as much pedophilia going down in parts of America...and the kids ain't even getting PAID.
The only ones who are going to complain about American Black men paying to screw Brazilian women are (mostly uptight) American Black women and, maybe, your self-righteous Holy Roller types (who's secretly doing the SAME shyt these brothas are). Even men who won't engage in such ain't gone hate on those who are.
Because, really, it's not in the nature of most men to hate on other men wanting to get their thang done right.
If Latin and Asian men truly tired of foreign men fuhking their daughters, sisters and wives they'd devise some economies that would make such much less necessary for ALL of them to survive.
At certain level, a man's desire to get p*ssy the way and how he wants it ain't got a dayam thing to do with his 'love life'. Not a gotdayam thing at ALL.
Lastly, if you have an HONEST conversation with most men - Black, White, Brown and Blue - they'll tell you they've buying p*ssy all of their adult lives. And by FAR the most EXPENSIVE brand of such comes with a wedding band. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 05:35 pm: |
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Mzuri,
Guess what: Most of the shyt men do to get p*ssy here in AMERICA guys are embarrassed about. Look in the faces of most men scramblin' to buy roses and candy on Valentines Day. Look in the faces of men who are being dragged along with a chick on some crazed shoe-shopping expedition.
So, honestly, depending on what a man's got on on in his life, he might be dayam PROUD to gather up some luggage and cash to party with some comely Brazilian chicks for a few days. Becaust at LEAST he knows if he's spending the right kinda cash, he's probably gone get a freaky-deaky good time. That he probably won't spend a +$1,000 on some chick only for her to tell him "I'm sorry. But I really only see you as just a 'friend'."
And as I've said before, you all can talk all you want about the alleged shame of being a John. Because I don't know ANY man who's got a wife and kids (especially daughters) who DON'T feel like they're being pimped most of the time. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 05:38 pm: |
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Mzuri,
If a brotha has sex with a minor in Brazil, it's like if you broke any other law of a foreign country, he deserves to face the consequences of such.
Maybe smart brothas who frequently visit Brazil have devised some means of eliminating the possibility of getting into that kind of trouble. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 05:48 pm: |
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Savant,
Of course there are no foolproof methods of preventing STD infection and unwanted pregnancies. Those are all risk that one assume when engaging in sex. My point was the STD issue is not as serious as some would assume it be. The author of the Essence article explicitly stated such on the taped interview I reference to in the initial post of this thread.
Pedophilia and child molestation is a problem EVERYWHERE on this Earth. It's a problem HERE in AMERICA.
Although I believe there probably is some element of such in the Brazilian sex trade and that efforts should be made to prevent it, I don't think that that is in/of itself any more a reason to thwart legalize prostitition in Brazil than does the PREVALENCE underage American drinking is to thwart legalized liquor sales here in the U.S. |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 05:59 pm: |
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^^^^It is not only american black woman who are getting sick of this tourism ABM. It is latin american and part latin american woman, like me, who are getting tired of this stuff. Not to mention the east asian community who are increasingly becoming known for their sex tourism. The fact westerners go to country and pay for their sex may be liberating, hilarious and satisfying to them, but it is demeaning to US as a nation.
Bringing up child sex tourism in this argument is not a red herring at all. Because these two things often go hand in hand. If you are an adult and you are going to participate in these activities you should know a lot of the resulting consequences are children being pimped. Same way if you buy a pirate DVD in the UK and other western countries you should know that that particular industry finances prostitution. That is what your dollar, euro or pound is paying for.
LOL, sex tourism is not a 'means of survival' at all for the latin american woman, that is a very insulting thing to suggest. It is just an easier way to get money because there seems to be some sort of 'legend' about the beauty of woman in places like Brasil or Thailand. The woman who do this are considered whores in their home country and in no way is their behaviour excused as 'surviving'. They are just seen as some fat westerner toy and as something to be ashamed of.
I guarantee you, when westerners do go these places the locals hate them. The only people who welcome you are the whore and her pimp, and if that's the sort of people you want to welcome you and associate with then more power to you. I don't know how old this article is but I am surprised it is not bringing up the backlash towards the people who participate in sex tourism.
Also, 'paying' for sex in a marriage or a relationship is a completely different thing from buying a whore for a night or two weeks. Reason being; in a marriage or a serious relationship it is give and take. You get what you are given back, you don't 'pay' and get nothing back (unless your an idiot in the wrong marriage with the wrong person). All you get with a prostitute is standard sex, contempt and a risk of an STD. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 06:24 pm: |
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Latina_wi,
There is a potentially negative consequence to virtually any/all otherwise legal (even moral) activity we as human beings engage in. Kids all over the world are harmed and killed by myriad otherwise legal activities throughout this nation and world.
Moreover, illegalizing prostitution in Brazil will NOT thwart the child exploitation issues. If anything, that might WORSEN them.
Because what you may have are a people who even MORE desperate to survive than they previously was PLUS you'll likely have less government control and scrutiny over what's going down. (You can find a analogy of such amongst THIS nation's woefully fallacious and wholly ineffectual War on Drugs.)
Unlike you, I don't presume to know what some Brazilian or Thai woman should do for herself, her family or reputation. I don't live, socialize, work or vote there.
If a woman is hooking in Thai, I can only assume she's doing what she feels is best for herself and her family. If that is not true, then, well, THAT her choice as well.
I'd likely not actively, indirectly support any illegal activity. But I know enuff about the global economic system to know that the more deeply you look at things, the more you realize that we all are a part of some massive, worldwide Pyramid or Ponzi Scheme where the vast MAJORITY of people get much LESS from it than they invest into it. But because we Americas reside ATOP the Scheme, we get to conveniently wax on about which elements of it are and are not appropriate, moral, etc.
I'll tell you, if you enjoy eating chocolate and wearing diamonds, you're probably doing a hell of a lot WORST to third world foks than you are via buying Brazilian cQQchie.
That THERE is for DAYAMSURE!
And while I respect the distinction you draw between prostitution and marriage, I don't think that reality for many people is as clear and defined as you (and women in GENERAL) like to think that MEN consider such to be. |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 06:47 pm: |
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ABM - So The Big Poppa feels like he's getting played huh? By the wife and children. Well that's news to me  |
Latina_wi
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Hmmm...I can see where you are coming from ABM but I don't think I can support that idea. Especially of legalising prositution anywhere. Believe it or not it does make the area and the industry a lot worse beacause more 'brothels' et cetera are allowed to spring up and are protected by law. Same thing is happening in lap dancing clubs.
They tried to legalise a red light district in my boyfriend's home town (near where I live) but I think they understand that the consequences are too dire. And the need for legalised sex for money is far less than the consequences it brings (in their eyes anyway).
However, I do kind of agree with the theory that illegalising prostitution may bring about a boom in the exploitattion of children. If you cannot oversee the trade under a watchful eye and pretend it doesn't go on then all sorts of liberties are taken because stuff is 'ignored'. What they should do is make sentences and penalities a lot harsher and countries like Brasil and Thailand need to clamp down on sex tourists. It should be less mainstream and, I'm sorry, more vilified. Men should be ashamed that they buy young woman half their age who would never have any interest in them if it wasn't for their money/green card. There is no 'playa status' when it comes to this stuff. If you want to live like a playa earn like one. Rich, old men (white, black and all the other colours in between) have attempted to pick me up using their cash and there is NOTHING attractive about some fool who can only use his money to charm you. You don't look like a 'playa' just like a sad old fool.
I must admit though I do love hearing stories about these men getting played by the woman they thought 'loved them'.
One man lost his home and all his life savings because he went to Thailand as a sex tourist and had a whirlwind romance. The woman then told him to sell up his home in the UK and go to her homeland with her. She told him to sign everything over in her name as it would be 'easier'. Then he came home one night and was escorted by police officers because she said she 'had never seen him in her life'.
I shouldn't laugh but LMAAAAAAOOOO.
BTW, I don't presume to know what is best for a latin or Thai woman either. But I just don't agree with the sentiments that sex tourism is a means of their survival. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 07:45 pm: |
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Mzuri,
Every GOOD husband and father get's played to a degree.
That's just a part of how the deal goes down, babe. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 08:00 pm: |
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Latina_wi,
I'm going to mostly disagree with you about vilifying adult people - whatever the age disparity - from doing what they've CONSENTED to do.
I don't necessarily advocate worldwide, universal prostitution. I think whether and how a country/society construct and enforces it's supporting laws and social structure would factor into whether I think such so occur.
But, again, if ADULT people elect to engage in mutually-consenting pay-4-p*ssy relations, really, who am I to dictate otherwise?
I generally am for people doing whatever they want so long as they and the other adults they do such with AGREE to such. And while I can see the connection between prostitution and child exploitation, I don't think adults should be preempted from doing what they want because of such.
And here's one thing I'll ask: What's WRONG with an average Black man – maybe some hardworking bus driver or cable installation guy - being able to pretend, maybe once or twice in his life, he's a 'playah'? I’m telling you, I think A LOT of men would resent women not even understanding that. Though, ironically, I think the chasm between the sexes on that very point EXPLAINS why there will likely be more and MORE African American men flying off to Rio. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 11:26 am: |
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hmmm...there is an issue that has not been discussed. Prostitution is an old ass institution. Why? Because of poverty! Among whom? Dark skinned people! Of course, poverty is everywhere...but people of color, particularly the darker ones are the poorest! Thus, whether we want to address asia and latin america, we can look at the large popultion of poor, but especially dark skinned people--men and women, who are prostituting!
And if we look at Latin America, we are talking about women who are mostly indian and of African descent, who are the poorest....among prostitutes the european and the light brown curly haired sista will get the most money i am sure, but the dark skinned prostitute is usually the poorest...thus, racism and economic, which leads people to the undeground economy, as usual, rears its ugly head....so this assignment of black to the US and latin to Brasil slights the racial dynamic in both countries. |
Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 11:30 am: |
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,pedophilia is NOT the PROBLEM. its people's primitive additudes toward human emotion that creates a problem. child molestation is a problem. but pedophilia and child molestation are two different things.
let all men go abroad and search for what they cannot get at home. lets be honest women from brazil are very fine. id have no problem giving some of them a few dollars to "get some". women in brazil ar SUPER sexual. most black american men if they are honest, would LOVE to suck on the bodies of some fine young female from brazil. who cares what the "natives" in brazil think about it. screw them. they are just jealous because they would LOVE to be doing what the tourists are doing. screwing hot young brazillian girls.
im on my way to sao paulo, and you better believe, im going to have sex with as many brazillian females as possible.
brazil-HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 02:59 pm: |
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People who have to pay to have sex are LOSERS. And, in underdeveloped countries, I feel sorry for the women who have to have sex with SUCH LOSERS in order to survive.
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Brownbeauty123
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I agree, Moonsigns. You spend all that money to get over there, and then you pay even MORE money for some sexin'. What a waste. |
Brownbeauty123
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No tellin' what kind of STDs they might have that condoms can't protect you from. |
Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 03:18 pm: |
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Exactly, Brownbeauty --somebody has to be a damn loser and desperate freak to pay that kind of price for sex (and the high possiblity of STD's)! |
Abm
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Moonsigns,
Most men who acquire STD's do NOT get them from hookers.
And every man pays for p*ssy. One way or the other. |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 04:02 pm: |
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::rolling eyes:: |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 04:11 pm: |
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Some bioethicists are predicting that the next big boon (and opportunity for exploitation) in many of these countries will be "fertility tourism": where individuals and couples seek to pay for cheap eggs and/or surrogates--esp traveling from countries outside the US where there are many more restrictions and checks and balances placed on IVF clinics. |
Abm
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Yvettep,
The problem with that I see is the concerns a couple might have about what was going on with the surrogate prior to delivery the child. If and when some controls/assurances are made regarding the 'quality' of both the surrogate and the child it give birth to, I agree that such likely will occur (and wouldn't be surprise to discover that it is already occurring...somewhere).
BB123,
Don't you be eyeballin' me, 'MaYOnaisse'! |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 04:38 pm: |
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Well, perhaps--but this is already begninning. Here is one recent story, but I have heard of this as well in Thailand and Eastern EUrope.
The Trade in Fertility
India is attracting English-speaking couples looking for surrogates and other treatments.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12289078/site/newsweek/ |
Abm
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Yvettep,
Almost remind one of just another form of farming and agriculture.
Doesn't it? |
Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 07:58 pm: |
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like "abm" said, "every man pays for p*ssy. one way or another". this is SO true. "men who pay for p*ssy are losers"? boy,thats a dumb statement. a guy who takes a girl out on a date, calls her on the phone, buy things for her,etc. what do you think that guy is trying to do with that girl? be her best friend? no, he wants to screw her. his actions are done with the intention of trying to get some p*ssy. so that man's intent is the same as the guy who pays for sex. the guy who pays for sex is actually getting what he want quicker than the guy who is going through all of the "b.s." guys go through with females just so they can get some p*ssy. a guys chance of getting an std with a hooker is the same as his chance of getting an std with any woman who is having intercourse. im sure many females don't want to hear this. but most guys just want sex from females and then leave. what guy wants to spend all the time it takes, and all of the things you have to do (dating, phone calls, pretending you are interested in what the female is saying) just to get some sex? sometimes it a better move to just pay to screw some of these females. sure there are some females that im actually interested in for more than sex. but most females, i just want to do them, and leave. plain and simple.
a guy is going to pay for sex, one way or the other. thats just how it is. if a woman met a man who had no job, no savings, no bank account, nothing. would that woman give that man the time of day? i don't think so. so most women deal with men based partly on what they have (materially). so the guy with the job, bank account, etc is basically getting sex from his female based on what he has. he is paying for sex indirectly. all guys pay for sex. |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 08:35 pm: |
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Moonsigns and Brownbeauty - I hear you ladies!
And Yvette; do you know you can actually get cheap sex changes in thailand now (for as little as £600)? Madness!
As for Lil_ze; locals are certainley not jealous of the westerners who come to their country to pay for their whores. Because what you guys are getting are the dregs that the locals would not touch with someone else's. Also, the locals are mocking you behind your back. You are not getting the best of Brasil, your getting the worse of it. I can't believe you have such little respect for the natives of Brasil and yet you still want to go there.
Be warned, when you go to Brasil a man like you will get a terrible reception because the people will know what you are about.
Are you that ugly and nasty that you have to run to a foreign prostitute? Because the only men I know who visit them are ones who find it hard to get a woman anyway. The real challenge is finding a beautiful lady who respects you; not buying one who would you rob you blind as soon as your not looking.
By the way, I am not talking out of resentment because the Brasillians are taking 'all my men' LOL. I couldn't care less about the men who visit these countries because they are not relationship material at all (besides I have a man). I care more about the woman who have to degrade themselves like this. |
Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 09:57 pm: |
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well, latina wi, ive BEEN to brazil already 3 times. salvador (bahia), sao paulo, and rio. i was recieved very well. i went with a brazilian friend of my family twice. once on my own.
as far as men from other countries getting the "dregs" that the local men would not touch. i TOTALLY disagree with that. i was with some of the finest women in bahia and rio. and not for pay either. the women in these places were fascinated with me. they loved when i attempted to speak portuguese. they seemed to be bored with the "locals". the locals could mock me if they want to, but what do i care? im getting the worst of brazil? i don't think so. no im not "ugly" and "nasty". that has ZERO to do with anything. and nobody is "running" to foriegn prostitutes. i don't think you get my point. having sex is great. having sex with multiple hot,sexy girls from brazil is even better. latina wi, the ones (men) that you know, who visit foriegn prostitutes find it hard to get a woman? first for all, do you really think most of the men that you know would really tell you if they were over-seas screwing whores? i don't think most men would admit to doing this. but they do. men from western nations can go to places like brazil and have sex with some of the finest women you can imagine. ive seen it there. screwing whores has nothing to do with my "respecting" the people of brazil. men like to screw many different fine women. when the women are as fine as they are in brazil, its a "no-brainer". men like sex with women. its a fact of life. as far these women "degrading" themselves, thats debateable. the women who sell themselves, i don't know if they "have" to do it. i saw many, many women in brazil that were not selling themselves. and the ones that i saw who were, seemed to be enjoying themselves and all the money they were getting from tourists. men who see prostitutes don't do so because they are ugly, nasty, or can't find a woman. they go to prostitutes to get "off". nothing more.
latina wi, ask yourself, if your "boyfriend" or "man" was having sex with prostitutes, do you think he would tell you? if he went on vacation without you and payed a woman for sex, do you think you would know? your boyfriend could be screwing hookers when he's not with you. how would you know? men who have wives, girlfriends, whatever, have sex with prostitutes in secret. men like having different women. screwing them for money is an easy way to do this. but im sure that your "boyfriend" is one of the only men who doesn't like to have sex with different women, right? |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 10:35 pm: |
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"a guy who takes a girl out on a date, calls her on the phone, buy things for her,etc. what do you think that guy is trying to do with that girl? be her best friend? no, he wants to screw her. his actions are done with the intention of trying to get some p*ssy. so that man's intent is the same as the guy who pays for sex. the guy who pays for sex is actually getting what he want quicker than the guy who is going through all of the "b.s." guys go through with females just so they can get some p*ssy. "
Some men are looking for a relationship, not just sex.
You are such a damn sexist pig.
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 10:51 pm: |
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Not to mention I ain't never had a man buy me shit. |
Lil_ze
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brownbeauty, you know you love me. do you want my e-mail, so we can hook up? im being serious. im goodlooking. and i KNOW that you are a sweet baby.
some men are looking for a relationship. relationships are cool. but, most times guys just want sex. atleast first, then maybe a relationship could follow.
id buy you what you wanted. if you didn't want me to buy you anything, i wouldn't. i just want you to be happy, brownbeauty.
if you want my e-mail i will give it to you. im in westchester county, new york. |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 12:49 am: |
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Lil_ze are you trying to justify yourself and your ways now lol....?
How do you think I know that my male friends have visited prostitues? Because they have told me. My friend went to Prague last year to visit a sex warehouse and use the young whores there. LOL, if you ever see the boy. Twenty five years old and still living at home. A drop out with the only career prosepects being statcking shelves at a supermarket. My other friend who did it was a lovelorn little boy who was hung up on his best female friend. He saw no other way of getting sex.
the reason my male friends told me is because they don't have the same emotional attachment to sex as my female friends and didn't care whether I judged them or not. By the way; they were all not that attractive at all and admitted that they would rather be out attracting women in the more tradtional way of young guys their age (meet at a club and take her home). Prostitutes were seen as their last hope.
If your are 'not unattractive' why not have one night stands? They are a lot cheaper and much like prostitues except you don't have to pay for them at the end of the night. There is also the 'accomplishment' of having sex with a woman who is actually interested in your sexual prowess rather than your wallet. Also, if you are not 'unattractive' how come you cannot attract a woman in Brasil without money. I know a boy who went recently; attractive and intelligent and in a relationship with a woman he met in Brasil.
And I am SO not going to take your word that these Brasillian women were the most attractive and not the dregs of Brasil. Because you are just taking what is on offer out there, whatever is handed to you on a plate. Young women in Brasil usually turn to the modelling world if their pretty enough (so still using their looks to get cash). The unattractive ones go to the world of prostitution because the men will mostly sleep with anything (I read a story about a burns' victim who was disgusted that she was still able to get work as a prostitute after her accident).
There is some sort of myth that latin women are exceptionally beautiful and never ugly. If you want to know how this myth came about then I could tell you. But maybe that is why your visiting Brasil, because you believe all the hype. And trust me; what you need to do is search for an authentic beautiful Brasillian (or other Latin) woman who doesn't resort to selling her body but can still give you all you need LOL!
By the way, my boyfriend is far too attractive to resort to prostitute. If he wants a woman he would probably go to a bar and look for one that caught his eye. Don't tar all men with your brush. Most men I know find the idea unappealing because they feel it is confirmation that your unattractive to the opposite sex.
Having sex is great. Having to resort to paying says something else about yourself. And do not fool yourself that the woman like it. Because to them it is just a means to an end. Most prostitutes have been raised in broken homes where they were constantly sexually abused, many are hooked on drugs and a lot of them are in lesbian relationships because their jobs have brought about a contempt of men. I know prostitutes and I guarantee if you heard what they were saying it would put you off.
ANd LMAO, of course the locals are fascinated by you. They are fascinated by your darn money! Have you been rolled yet? Have you gone to the favelas? I would hide your accent also, they dislike americans intensely due to the rise of sex tourism. And trust me, the woman are not bored with the locals....especially when compared to the western dregs who use them for sex (because they can't find none at home). Prostitutes pretend to enjoy what they are doing, they pretend they like your company, they pretend your the most fascinating and handsome guy they ever saw. And equally, they pretend they are bored with the locals. Why would you choose a man who has to fly halfway across the world to get some nookie over a sweet local guy?
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Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 12:50 am: |
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How old are you Lil_ze? Because your views on relationships may have something to do with your age also.
Sorry if you find that question rude. |
Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 03:44 am: |
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well latina wi, i daon't know about the 25 year old that you know who still lives at home, thats his business. but there are executives that make a boatload of money, and could easily go to bars and pick up females for "one night stands", but they don't, they use hookers for sex. the actor charlie sheen used hookers for years and years. do you think charlie sheen, a hollywood celebrity, couldn't go to bars and pick up women for one night stands? of course he could. but he chose to use hookers. do you really think the majority of men who use hookers still living at home, with the prospect of stocking shelves for a living? all kinds of men use prostitutes. married men,single men, rich men, poor men, men with "girlfriends", and men who live at home. men like to use hookers. its just a fact of life. a part of life.
you said most of the men that you know "find the idea (of using prostitutes) unappealing". do you think they would tell you if they really did like the idea of using prostitutes? men tell women what they think they should say. not what they are really thinking most times. no man is going to tell a woman, "yeah, i like using hookers, ive been to hookers". men are going to put on a facade, and tell women what they think they should say, so they don't look bad.
as far as your boyfriend (latina wi) being too goodlooking to use whores for sex, i think you are being a bit naive. it has ZERO to do with looks. some guys just enjoy screwing whores for money. if your boyfriend was using hookers for sex, how would you know? do you think he would tell you? do you think he would make it public? i wonder what age you are (latina wi) because you seem to have a very naive way of looking at the way men deal with certain issues.
when i referred to my experiences in brazil, i was not talking about prostitutes. i was speaking about regular females i met there. and yes i have been to the favelas. many of the people there look just like me, so i had no problem there. i was with a native brazillian. i didn't go to brazil to sleep with prostitutes or for "sex-tourism". i went because i was invited.
you said, 'most prostitutes come from broken homes....where they were sexually abused'. are you kidding me? do you really believe that b.s.? where did you read that, in some feminist book? many women whore for money because they are lazy, greedy, and money hungry.
just because some of your male friends (i don't know how you consider them friends, when you critizize them for living at home and what their job prospects are), have told you the reason "THEY" have seen prostitutes, it doesn't mean the other males that you know (including your boyfriend) would tell you how they really feel about it, or if they had seen hookers themselves. try not to believe everything people tell you or don't tell you. im sure that even your boyfriend has lied to you about something. it just how things are. there is no "broad-brush" painting going on. just reality.
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