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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 380
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 06:32 pm: | 
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I don't watch TV or pay attention to the entertainment industry, still I'm getting the sense that dark-skinned brothas aren't 'in' anymore. Are light-skinned and mixed and Latino men back in the spotlight? When I was a little girl, men who looked like El Debarge were in vogue. http://www.soulwalking.co.uk/DeBarge.html Nevertheless, as I got older, the Wesley Snipes and Michael Jordon types became all the rage---every woman wanted a chocolate bald handsome tall man. But I’m starting to notice a shift; have we gone back to the El Debarge's (updated foiner versions of course lol)? |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 603
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 07:04 pm: |
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Groan..........Oh God! Here we go again. The tired and very boring mindless Skin Color Clown Circus that never stops....Light-Dark....Light-Dark....Light-Dark....Light-Dark....Light-Dark....L ight-Dark....Light-Dark.... |
Rastafurious
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 02-2006
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Savant
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Post Number: 143
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 07:47 pm: |
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I would hope that most sistas are choosing men on the basis of something more substantial than color/complexion.
Most sistas I know just want a good brotha, regardless of color... |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 08:34 pm: |
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^^^^I second that thought Savant. It is hard enough finding a good man so worrying about his skin tone becomes obsolete when you do meet him lol!
Only joking fellas! |
Brownbeauty123
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Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 863
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 08:43 pm: |
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If you don't want to talk about skin color then simply STOP responding to a thread that you find so boring and tiresome. It's rather rude to always make smart alek remarks when there are other individuals who don't mind discussing the issue.
Tonya, darkskin men are still very well "in". It's the multiracial women who are getting more exposure over Black women--more than I've ever seen before. The women are getting less Black looking than Beyonce. |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 08:45 pm: |
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^^^I think the issue is very important but we shouldn't add to it with 'trival' debates (which only seek to divide the lighter skinned and the darker skinned).
And I agree with you about women in the public eye. Dark skinned men are always seen as sexy, whereas lighetr skinned women are seen as the desireable ones. |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 371
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 08:47 pm: |
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beyonce looks "black" to me. all of our women are NOT the color of a car tire. i know this angers some people but its true. |
Brownbeauty123
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Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 865
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 09:12 pm: |
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You have no character at all. |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 14
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^^^Who me BB123? |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 866
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 09:25 pm: |
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Latina_wi
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^^^He is a little xonfused in his thinking about Beyonce. Most of the white people I know over here thought she was mixed raced! She is overrated anyways lol! |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 868
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 09:34 pm: |
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She looks mixed race now due to the "nose job", AND the expensive high end virgin remi blonde wigs she wears.
Without it, (see her early Destiny's Child era) she looked like a yellow Black girl with some non black admixture. |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 09:52 pm: |
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^^^^Beyonce is waste. She is so fake and her smile irks me. And I hate that 'Deja Vu' song; stop trying to recreate 'Crazy in love' B, even that was rubbish the first time round. |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 375
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 12:03 am: |
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oh, i get it. latina wi said, "most of the white people over here thought beyonce was mixed race".
so now we as a people (black people) allow whites to decide or define who amongst us is black or not. how stupid. who the hell cares or pays attention to who white people think are "mixed". sure beyonce had a nose job. i thought she was more attractive before she had a nose job. but the FACT is beyonce is BLACK. she will always be BLACK. who cares what white consider beyonce. i couldn't care less if white people thought she was "mixed". i know beyonce is black. beyonce knows she is a black woman. black people know beyonce is a black woman. what white people think is irrelevent. im proud of beyonce. |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 21
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 12:49 am: |
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^^^I live in a 96% white town which is why I mentioned white people, think before you know who you are talking to.
I don't let white people define but you seem to if you believe Beyonce is a true black woman; that woman has creole written all over her with or without the nose job. The only reason she is considered black is due to the one drop rule (created by the white man to define BLACK people ironically Lil_Ze. So you do, by proxy, let white people define who is black or not). Beyonce's mother is a french speaking creole or something like that, I am sure it matters to Beyonce's french/spanish ancestors how she is viewed though LMAO.
Beyonce is a slightly above average black/mixed woman. But I am not surprised YOUR proud of her though. |
Femrenoir
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Post Number: 97
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 02:19 am: |
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Hold on now. Have you seen beyonce's father???
My daughter and beyonce looked a lot alike (before the nose job) and my daughter is a black girl - period. You've got to reach back 4 generations in any direction to locate a white ancestor of any kind. If she's got one drop of something; it's white blood, not black. Nobody's going to say that makes her anything but what she is - a yellow black girl.
As far as beyonce is concerned, I think she and her momma are workin' the system. I am proud of them both!! |
Lil_ze
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Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 378
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 02:25 am: |
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"beyonce's mother is a french speaking creole or SOMETHING like that". do you have any proof beyonce's mother speaks french? i know the history of our people in this country. like it or not, accept it or not, believe it or not, beyonce knowles is a black woman. do you think if you asked beyonce waht she was she would reply,"im a french/spanish creole"? of course not. she would tell you straight up she is a black woman, and she is. how the hell would anyone know who beyonce's ancestors are, and what their feelings are about how beyonce is viewed? beyonce's father is a black man. the "one drop rule" is irrelevant. beyonce is black. you can try to bring in all sorts of "french/spanish" non-sense if you want to. but our people come in all shades and look all kind of ways. beyonce is considered "black" not because of some "one drop rule", but because SHE (beyonce knowles) considers her self black. how does anyone think they can define what beyonce is other than beyonce? and its claear that she considers herself black, and she is. this is why she is on the cover of essence magazine with other BLACK WOMEN in an issue that is devoted to the accomplishments of black women. a few drops of some other races blood DOES NOT make someone NOT black. beyonce knowles and kelly rowland are cousins (blood relatives). just because beyonce's mom is light skinned does not mean beyonce or her mother are not black. i am proud of beyonce, because she is a beautiful BLACK woman. thats a fact.
anyone who doesn't think beyonce is black, look at her sister solange knowles. they have the same mother and father. is there anyone out there who thinks solange knowles is not black? of course she is. so is beyonce.
i personally don't care how many white people live in your town latina wi. or what they think. white people have not defined for me by "proxy", who is black. our people define themselves. beyonce defines herself as a BLACK woman. accept it or not. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 879
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Yeah, Beyonce's daddy is Black, so?? Femnoir, last time I checked it only takes ONE parent for a child to be multiracial. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 880
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:30 am: |
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Lil_ze, Beyonce and Kelly Rowland are NOT blood relatives. Kelly was adopted into the family, they share no blood relatives. |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 24
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:05 pm: |
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Lil_Ze get real. The only reason Beyonce considers herself 'black' is because she lives in a country that didn't drop the 'one drop rule'. I have seen a picture of Beyonce and she is clearly mixed. Her hair was actually a brown-blonde colour and she had light coloured brown/green eyes. Beyonce's mother defines herself as creole and as BB123 said, it only takes 'one parent to make someone multiracial'. Beyonce mother has said in the past that she is 'African american, French, Spanish and Native american'. Is that the new black now or something lol?! Even if you have a black parent and a mixed parent you are still mixed as you have a significant amount of non black blood.
Essence put Mariah Carey on the front cover and she is not black too many. Being on the front cover of essence doesn't magically make you a black person you doofus.
And the only reason I mentioned I lived in a 96% white town is to comeback at your ridiculous statement that I let white people define black people.
Beyonce doesn't define herself as a 'totally' black woman. The media and other people do so a more accepting face of 'blackness' is put out around the world. |
Nels
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Post Number: 532
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 09:12 pm: |
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Most U.S. blacks are considered black because of the nonsensical One-Drop Rule. Other than that, they're considered mixed any other way you cut it.
As far as light-skinned black men, yes - they are "in". Corporate America is finally beginning to understand that the dark(er)-skinned Negroid phenotype no longer respresents all of Black America. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 389
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
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Thanks, Nels, for sticking to the subject. I was sure I wasn't imagining things. The focus on light-skinned men has become quite apparent to me; and not just because of the board. A few of my girlfriends are currently dating the Shamar Moore type brothas. Plus my nieces are forever going off over these hip-hop stars who look more like rapper “Ludacris” and R&B singer “Genuwine” than they do rapper “Fifty Cents.” Me. I’m attracted to black men of all phenotypes and skin tones (sex appeal has absolutely nothing to do with color to me) though I get a lot more attention from very light and brown skinned black men. |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 383
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 11:47 am: |
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i see so beyonce is wrong to think she is black. she does not know she is not black, but the posters on this forum "know" beyonce is not black. very interesting. so beyonce cannot define herself, she has to have her racial identity told to her by more "enlightened" people, who know beyonces not black. so even if beyonce thinks of herself as black, and publicly defines herself as black, she is somehow mistaken, because she (beyonce) can't define herself. beyonce should allow outsiders to tell her what she is. then after listening to these outsiders, beyonce will discover the truth of who she is. not a black woman but a "spanish/french creole". and even if beyonce tells the world she is black this can't be true, because individuals can't define themselves. beyonce shouldn't define herself as black, she should let other people define her as something other that black. no matter if beyonce defines herself as black, this should not matter. as long as outsiders feel they know what beyonce is, beyonce should follow their lead. how stupid are the thought processes of some of these "racial-classification" experts. |
Femrenoir
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Post Number: 103
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 08:18 pm: |
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Yeah, Beyonce's daddy is Black, so?? Femnoir, last time I checked it only takes ONE parent for a child to be multiracial.
The only reason Beyonce considers herself 'black' is because she lives in a country that didn't drop the 'one drop rule'.
The one drop rule applied to people whose parents literally had a speck of black blood. Were talking half white/half black mother and 3 quarters white/1 quarter black father (for example). We have been through this. BrownBeauty you weren't here because you were too young and Latina you weren't here either. In the 60s and 70s the Black power movement was about embracing ourselves as a race regardless of shade and celebrating the power of that fact.
Today, a brother who has it going on:looks, style, brains, talent, cash - is always in!!! Aint nobody turnin' him down because of his shade! |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 08:40 pm: |
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^^^But even if it was about embracing all you were don't you think the one drop rule was still a bit stupid because it often ostarcised those who identified as mixed (because they actually were)...?
Also, I agree with you about the last bit. If a man looks good he looks good...skin colour doesn't come into it lol! |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 618
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 12:36 am: |
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If you don't want to talk about skin color then simply STOP responding to a thread that you find so boring and tiresome. It's rather rude to always make smart alek remarks when there are other individuals who don't mind discussing the issue.
Good point. But I’m sure you have responded to numerous issues on this board that you did not agree with. Isn’t that the point of being here? But it simply amazes me how so many posters of this board obsesse over this subject! They seem to uncontrollably labor over certain entertainers skin color and racial heritage. They are also feverishly driven to post threads and comments about the skin color of other black people over and over and over again. WTF??? What is the point? WHY IS IT NECESSARY FOR YOU TO DRONE ON AND ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT WHO IS LIGHT COMPLEXIONED AND WHO IS DARK COMPLEXIONED? WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?
I have asked these questions for more than a dozen times before and no one has stepped up to the plate to answer them: WHY IS IT SO DAMN IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY TO MAKE DIRISIVE COMMENTARY AND PROCLAMTIONS ABOUT THE SKIN COLOR OF OTHER BLACK PEOPLE? WHAT IS DRIVING THIS SKIN COLOR OBESSION AND FETISH TO THE POINT OF ONE THREAD AFTER ANOTHER BEING EMERESED IN A VORTEX OF DARK SKIN VS LIGHT SKIN?? AND WHAT IS THAT YOU WANT? Please answer these questions. I would be very, very grateful if you could provide me with an answer. As many details as possible, please……
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Latina_wi
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Post Number: 47
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 12:59 am: |
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^^^I asked myself the same thing when I first visited the board as I feel there are some more important issues facing, not only black people, but all people. When you look at the bigger picture skin tone is obviously irrelevant.
But it becomes so 'relevant' to other people it ofetn affects our mainstream and how some may think of other people. It has come to the point that whenever an actor is chosen for a role people wonder if it is because what he is rather than who he is (.e.g. because he is lightskinned is he more 'acceptable' to the public eye, rather than him being chosen because he is good for the role).
But I do feel people can obsess about it a heck of a lot. And whenever we 'obsess' over it we are adding to a stupid 'regime' that doesn't even deserve the debate it often stirs up.
Rather than discuss whether 'lightskinned brothers are in' maybe we should discuss issues that deal with light skin and dark skin differently. For example; how we can promote love and acceptance for all shades without too much of an obvious agenda so then the light skin versus dark skin topic becomes less of an issue and a 'hot topic' in the future.
Hope I made myself clear. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 396
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 06:17 pm: |
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Ntfs, do me a favor. Try your best to convince me that skin color is irrelevant to any one of the issues facing African Americans that you feel is most important.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 397
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 06:23 pm: |
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And Latina_wi, many of us do not come on this board to MAKE FRIENDS; we look to the real world for that and we come here for nothing else than to talk about the issues effecting black folks.
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Latina_wi
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Post Number: 50
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 05:24 am: |
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And how is talking about whether or not lightskinned have made a comebcak sexually dealing with the issues of black people?
There are some real issues facing black people (poverty, homelessness). If you decided to submit this thread as one which is 'lighthearted' and a bit of comic relief debate to the board more power to you. But acting like it is a serious issue that faces black people internationally (and not just america) is a bit of a step too far.
And manners cost nothing by the way. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 08:15 am: |
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Latina_wi,
Perhaps you should hang out here awhile before you begin to criticize the type of subject matter that those who have been her a lot longer than you post here. |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 09:27 am: |
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^^^^^^I wasn't criticising the subject matter, I was just giving NTFS an answer to his question. And don't you think the length of time someone has been here is irrelevant? If you are talking rubbish you are talking rubbish - the length of time you have been doing it is irrelevant when compared to the rubbish you are talking about!
And once a thread is posted everyone who signs up as a member as the right to agree or disagree or criticise with the view. Should you put your views on hold as you haven't been as long a poster than others? |
Abm
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Latina_wi,
No. I do NOT believe the length of time one spends here is "irrelevant". Not at ALL.
This is a 'community', like any other. And within any 'community' there are implied rules, mores, etiquette, seniority, decorum, history, etc.
And when you are new to a 'community', you should give yourself and others some time to discern who you are and where you're coming from. Otherwise, you risk casting a negative light upon your personae that you might not even deserve.
The time people spend with each other, even in this venue, means MORE than just the opinions they express.
I might greatly disagree with something that Cynique, Kola or ChrisH says yet greatly resent YOUR referring to their views as being "rubbish". Why? Because they and I have been chatting away here going back 5 or more years now. I, in a certain sense, 'know' them a great deal MORE than I 'know' you.
Frankly, right now, your 'status' here is such that you could disappear FOREVER and this boat would keep on rolling WITHOUT a ripple. But where Kola or Cynique to never appear again, this environment would indeed be seismically altered, if not disabled.
All I'm saying is this: Say whatever you want, however you want. But understand that your LACK of history here might inhibit others ability and desire to understand and appreciate it...ESPECIALLY when such includes your criticizing the opinions of those who’ve been here a good deal longer than you have.
PS: Some of the debates that are often waged here have been going on by the SAME people since when you were a high school FRESHMAN. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 620
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 11:36 am: |
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”Ntfs, do me a favor. Try your best to convince me that skin color is irrelevant to any one of the issues facing African Americans that you feel is most important.”
Uhhhhhh….I’m not sure I understand your question. Could you reword it? I have no problem responding but as I said, I’m not exactly sure what you are asking.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 11:43 am: |
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Ntfs,
On Tonya's hehalf:
Cite a great problem Black people are being confronted by that is NOT in any way caused, influenced, complicated and/or exacerbated by issues concerning skin color and colorism. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 404
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 02:15 pm: |
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Thank you Abm.
In addition, LW, once you've been here long enough, perhaps you'll see that people often start threads which are somewhat unrelated to what actually instigated their curiosity. For example...I found myself contemplating how black people are viewing colorism in regards to black men--do they understand that black men are indeed effect by it?--are they familiar with the extent to which they are affected? And because of my experience on this board, I know fully that you can ask one question about one very specific aspect of a subject, and end up with a thread covering all facets of that topic and countless others, it happens. So did I know that this thread concerning EVERYDAY BROTHAS would ultimately turn into one about Beyounce? Absolutely. Was I sure that it would go this route so quickly??? Actually, not quite. But, unintentionally, was I able to confirm what I already knew - that the main ones to complain about 'trivializing' this issues are oftentimes the FIRST to WASTE NO TIME doing just that? Answer is: You can bet your bottom dollar that this IS correct. Plus I got precisely what I was looking for! People like you can give a dayam about whether and how colorism affects Black men. Disappointing but I’d still consider this thread a huge success. Thanks sooo much for your help. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 405
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 02:46 pm: |
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Excuse the typos please. I'm trying to chech for my girl, Kola, ON THE NEWS!!! (MSNBC) ...while typing at the same time (LOL). |
Abm
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Post Number: 6227
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 05:44 pm: |
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Tonya,
Sometimes a mountain is actually a molehill.
Sometimes a mountain is actually a mountain.
And sometimes a mountain is actually a friggin' PLANET. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 625
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 06:56 pm: |
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”Cite a great problem Black people are being confronted by that is NOT in any way caused, influenced, complicated and/or exacerbated by issues concerning skin color and colorism.”
Of course black people are affected everyday because of the color of their skin. Any honest person recognizes this fact, unless it is Ward Connerly or someone like Dinesh D'Souza. The playing field is not even across the board for black people. This I realize. And no one is debating whether black people face negative issues because of their skin color.
My concern is with this intra-group mindless bigotry and senseless arrogance of pitting one group of blacks against another group based solely on skin color. I’ve asked these questions numerous times before and no one has answered any of them. So, I’ll try one more time: 1.) What is the goal and purpose of singling out black people with toxic comments and accusations because on their skin color? 2.) What is it that the skin color race baiters hope to achieve with their divisive skin color rancor? 3.) Would black people, as a group, be more unified and effective if they would divide the race into separate skin color categories based on the caustic rhetoric of the boards skin color zealots? I’ll wait for an answer to all three questions……
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Tonya
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Post Number: 409
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...So you can't cite one. Is that what you are saying? Because if you can't give us at least ONE--(ONE. I'm only asking for ONE)--how on earth can you spend an entire post asking why discussing this issue is so "important?" If you can’t give me ONE, expect to continue waiting. Of course Abm will speak on his own behalf--and, boy, am I glad I'm not you!
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Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 628
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 02:09 pm: |
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”...So you can't cite one. Is that what you are saying? Because if you can't give us at least ONE--(ONE. I'm only asking for ONE)--how on earth can you spend an entire post asking why discussing this issue is so "important?" If you can’t give me ONE, expect to continue waiting.”
You’re kiddin’, right? Give at least one what? One example of a problem black people are being confronted by that is NOT related, influenced or exacerbated by skin color (sic)? Ok. No problem. Globalization. As of increased globalization (encouraged and support by your president), the effects of this are hurting all aspects of Americans’ industrial and personal lives. It doesn’t matter what you are making, whether you manufacture low- to high-tech products, work on an assembly line, work in the metal or manufacturing sector or write code or create the next generation of microprocessor chips: Outsourcing is affecting American industry and the livelihood of thousands of American workers. America is losing more than 2,000 jobs a day, across every employment field.
Like I said, from manufacturing to engineering and software design positions, it’s all due to outsourcing. This effects all Americans and blacks in particular since many of those jobs in the manufacturing sector where once a great source of employment for blacks. Being that I am originally from Ohio, I can personally attest to the affects of globalization of jobs going overseas. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HAVING BLACK SKIN BUT IT HAS HAD A DEVASTAING AFFECT ON A MAJOR SOURCE FOR BLACK EMPLOYMENT.
Want another? Health care. It’s one of the biggest obstacles facing all Americans, particularly poor Americans –the elderly, white poor, black poor, Latinos, even middle class Americans. Americans across the board are increasingly insecure about the future of their health care, with half of adults with incomes up to $75,000 a year worrying that they won't get high-quality health care when they need it. One study (I can’t recall the name off the top of y head) showed 48 percent of respondents were very or somewhat worried about being able to afford any health care in the future! WTF?? And two-fifths of Americans national survey said they personally experienced unsafe or poor health care. And as we all know, black people face health issues and mortality rates higher than white Americans. But not being able to afford decent health care is crisis facing most Americans period! It has nothing to do with skin color. If you have the money to afford the surgeries, therapy or medicine, you’ll get it! Again, this is not an issue of racism or skin color but one of economics. Denzel Washington could afford the surgery and recovery therapy for his son if need be. But a white worker at a Dell plant in Winston-Salem could be financially destroyed by the same scenario. Bottom line: EXPENSIVE HEALTH CARE AFFECTS BLACK PEOPLE NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK BUT BECAUSE THEY CAN’T AFFORD IT –JUST AS MOST AMERICANS CAN’T.
That’s two. Now, answer my questions. Since you clap your hands with glee and slobber at the mouth with ecstasy when denigrating other blacks because of their skin color, you should have no problem answering my questions as to why you and your skin color race baiter supporters believe blacks should be pitted against one another because of melanin differences. And don’t try to flip the script and turn it around as an issue about me. Talk the talk…..now walk the walk…ANSWER THE QUESTIONS! I’m still waiting…….
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 421
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2006 - 05:25 pm: |
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You wanna run that B.S. by someone who doesn't know any better??
The current climate affecting Americans right now does NOT explain away the ever growing GAP between blacks and others, regarding just about everything including health care. Given your scenario, that globalization has rendered us color-blind, serving as some great equalizer, we should all be either sinking or swimming at the same time and in the same boat--there should not be a gap on the basis of race/color. Yet study after study, one stat after another, confirms just that. I can't believe you wasted your time coming up with this weak TRIFLIN fallacious argument. And You'd think you'd know by now that I'm the LAST one to fall for it. Don't make me mess around and pull out the links on your ass. You ought to either come again, or like I said, continue to wait on it! |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 631
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 25, 2006 - 10:20 pm: |
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”You wanna run that B.S. by someone who doesn't know any better?? The current climate affecting Americans right now does NOT explain away the ever growing GAP between blacks and others, regarding just about everything……………. I can't believe you wasted your time coming up with this weak TRIFLIN fallacious argument. And You'd think you'd know by now that I'm the LAST one to fall for it.”
Excuse me? What I said was b.s.? OK, let’s walk through this. The question concerned stating a situation which adversely impacts black people that is not related to the color of their skin. I named two current situations that have had a profound affect on black people that is not race related. OUTSOURCING OF JOBS AND OUTRAGEOUS HEALTH CARE COSTS DOES ADVERSELY AFFECT BLACK PEOPLE –JUST AS IT AFFECTS EVERYONE ELSE. I named two (when asked for only one) situations where a negative impact is irrefutable. Are you suggesting that neither outsourcing of jobs or exorbitant health care costs does not affect black people? OMG! I’ve said this to you numerous times and I’ll say it again –WHAT WORLD ARE YOU LIVING IN??
Your petty dismissive evasive efforts are embarrassing! I asked questions concerning the purpose of your pathological skin color obsessions and you answered it with a question. The original question you asked was vague and not very clear. I did not totally understand it so I asked you to rewrite it since it was written rather ambiguously. But to fair, that really did not bother me since I post threads that have grammatical and spelling errors all the time. We all do at some point. No problem. Just reword it so I can understand it. ABM stepped in and gave an interpolation. Fine. I responded. You dodged my questions again by attempting to deny something that is real and non-racial. I’m not going to play your game. Ya know something, five minutes after I posted my previous response, I said to myself, “Watch this –she’s going to tap dance and doge answering my questions again.” You did just that.
Tell ya what –we can be civil about this and end it right now. I gave you ample time and the opportunity to explain your divisive skin color bigotry and you tapped out. You gave me my answer –”which was no answer because you have none!” So instead of playing word jujitsu and flipping the script game, no need for you to respond to this post. I’m done. We can agree to disagree and move on. Next thread……
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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 442
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 05:37 am: |
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No biggie. I just implore you to do the research before attempting to make a statement about the importance of color. Or maybe you should simply think twice before blurting another off the cuff remark that is impossible to back up.
((("OUTSOURCING OF JOBS AND OUTRAGEOUS HEALTH CARE COSTS DOES ADVERSELY AFFECT BLACK PEOPLE –JUST AS IT AFFECTS EVERYONE ELSE.")))
LOL!! You're joking right?? Since when have blacks been affected the same as everyone else? Blacks have always gotten it worse. Please. When it gets hot for whites...it becomes a fiery inferno for blacks. It is why we have barbecues |
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