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Latina_wi
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Username: Latina_wi
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Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 01:41 pm: | 
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Hello everyone! I have been lurking on these boards for a little while now and I am very interested in what I have been reading.
I am a 20 year student from europe with a west indian and latino background.
I don't know if Kola Boof is 'genuine' or a 'fraud' but I do think she highlights some very good points. The black man does have a problem with loving his women. He will talk about his 'african queen' then say his ideal woman is Beyonce or Alicia Keys. I know we black people come in all different forms but PUH-LEASE, why play a black woman like that?
I credit Kola Boof for showing real pictures of beautiful african women instead of some 'played down' version. Kola, due to my appereance I may not be in your eyes 'a real black woman' (I have got a mixed background) but I appreciate where you are coming from. Many black people I have met have pushed for people like Mariah Carey to be viewed as black and insist she is (especially in the USA). But everytime they use a mariah carey or a halle berry in a film instead of a lauryn hill they are surpassing 'real' black women. We will never get any real power if we don't start loving ourselves and celebrating real black beauty as opposed to this watered down version. People are laughing at us because it is so obvious we cannot love ourselves more than we love mixed raced spawn.
And yes, I understand that there may be some african-americans who have a mixed background without knowing but after seeing footage of hurricane katrina I am dubious. The average SUFFERING black person there had very prominent african looks with deep brown skin. So why not get someone with equally prominent looks to represent this part of the population? As opposed to someone who makes the 'media' happy?
And, when did it become 'repulsive' to be black? When did it become an insult or an infliction? We go out of our way to prove we are anything but black (I don't know how many Native Americans there are in america but I have met so many african-americans mixed with 'Cherokee' or something or other I am surprised these natives are in such small numbers). We have to prove our hair isn't nappy or that we 'aren't that dark'. What cracks me up is the thread about Korean ownership in black hair care. If we appreciate the beauty of our own hair maybe we wouldn't have this problem (and no, I am not saying this with a head full of weave in my barnet).
Terence Hoaward has got some criticism on this board for viewing himself as mixed raced. But everytime that man is chosen to play a black role and fits into 'hollywood's' image of 'black' real black people are being overlooked. It is offensive to BLACK people when this man is not viewed as mixed raced, believe it or not.
I haven't come here with an agenda or to preach. Just to say what is on my mind and what I found on this board. Personally I find america to be a little obsessed with race (what is this acting black B.S for example?) and I think you still haven't got out of that Jim Crow mentality (from when speaking proper english is seen as acting 'white' is when you KNOW you are still some sort of segregated era).
But overall I think black people need to fix up on a global basis. And we need to stop this obsession with colourism and the like as we are giving seperatists what they want. People who suffer any sort of discrimination should fight it TOGETHER as opposed to fight EACHOTHER. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 3068
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 02:00 pm: |
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Latina_wi,
I hope that like me...you will give birth to a NEW SON with a new mindset.
It's the only way.
And it's such a tragedy that Tonya and so many of the women who have knowledge and a passion for our people----are motherless.
A woman's gains are always made by her children.
As your African ancestor Queen Nok said: "Through our children, we live forever".
Black People are the only ones disrupting nature.
Thanks for your kind comments. 
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 377
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 02:11 pm: |
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Welcome, LW!!! Brilliant post! Looking forward to learning much from you.
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Latina_wi
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Username: Latina_wi
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 03:44 pm: |
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^^^Thank you both.
Kola Boof, I have only 'lurked' here for a few days but you have written many insightful things about black people. I especially liked the thread were you showed pictures of african women (the thread was called 'Quiz: Which one is black or biracial). Rather than go down the route of praising 'watered down' black women as african queens you showed some REAL ones (why can't our men do this?).
I understand we should apprecitate all levels of our own beauty but we constantly ignore the darker hues and dismiss them so we (as blacks) can associate with the lighter skinned.
Don't worry; any children I have will love themselves and other people (light or dark) and will take people as individuals. I am going to teach any children I have to not believe the stereotypes (or the hype) and to marry or date someone based on that person, and NOT because they belong to a particular group.
BTW, I am 'brown' or light skinned (whatever you call it) and I could 'opt' out and stay quiet and pretend that there is 'nothing wrong' (which in a way is supporting a racial hierarchy). I could choose to accept the benefits of a 'racist' system as a lighter skinned person. But I believe there is no such thing as real 'freedom' until you have freedom of all people. |
Kola_boof
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What a beautiful woman you are, Latina_wi
I'm proud of you.
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Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 04:20 pm: |
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^^^Thank you, I am defintely going to look up your books and see what it is all about!
I think the last statement in my previous post is true of people like us. We, as lighetr skinned or mixed, individuals could 'opt' out and choose to gain any benefits this despicable hieracrchy hands us. But I think we understand that it is wrong on so many levels that some people haven't got access to freedoms due to their race or skin tone. When we voice this sometimes we are criticised or get 'rolled eyes'. But like I said, theree is no such thing as freedom until we are all free. I would go on a march for Tibetians if their rights were being abused because freedom and human rights should be accessible to all. Just because 'my people' have it shouldn't mean I should ignore the plights of others.
And no, I am not a person with a mixed background who is 'playing' up to fit in. I just agree in basic human rights (same reason I hate sweatshops in Bangledesh). I don't hate my non-black heritage because I do not hate myself. But I do hate the fact that black women are overlooked on a regular basis.
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Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 04:22 pm: |
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By the way, the cuban guy you married was gorgeous! LOL, I may be being a bit biased as he is a fellow islander but still... |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 370
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 08:41 pm: |
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latina wi, i don't get your point. i hear so many of the posters on this board talk about somekind of "racial hierarchy". if there is somekind of "racial hierarchy" that is in existance, what does anyone plan on DOING about it? newsflash, lightr skin people exist. why should they be thought of as "watered-down"? what the hell does that mean? who is anyone to judge who is an "authentic" black person or not? why should lauren hill be payed more attention than beyonce? they are BOTH black women. so why are some people attempting to pit one BLACK woman against another BLACK woman?
"the average suffering person during katrina had very prominent african looks with deep brown skin". what a stupid statement. i suppose the flood waters looked at the skin tone of a person and avoided damaging the homes of lighter skin people, right?
"the black man will say his ideal woman is alicia keys or beyonce". is there any proof for making a statement like this or is this just ONE persons opinion. are there not something like 17 million black men in america alone? so how could anyone know that the "black man's" ideal woman is beyonce or alicia keys?
latin wi, if you admit that that "black people come in all forms", then why are you focused on one kind of black person? those of our people who are lighter are NOT some "watered-down" or "mixed race version" os a "real" black person. this is a straight up lie. how many of our people have family members that come in all shades? im sure we all do. two dark skin parents can have a light skin child. lauren hill is no more "black" than beyonce. our people look different ways. someone with dark skin is not the "measuring stick" of blackness. who says "black people "ignore" darker hues of black people and dimiss them so we can associate with lighter skin people"? where is the evidence of this. i see all shades of black people living and existing together. i see only a handful of color obsessed individuals who even pay attention to this overblown "non-issue". if beyonce is the object of some people attraction, then so be it. its a fact of life that women that look like beyonce are here. they are not going anywhere. so i have yet to see the point of anothr post claiming to "expose" some type of "racial hierarchy". my question is what do all of the posters who constantly and endlessly bemoan this "alleged" state of affairs in "black america" plan to do about it? there is nothing anyone is going to do about this "alleged" situation, because light skin people are not going anywhere. so when are some of us going to STOP dividing us and pitting us against each other based on the shade of our skin. does anyone REALLY think "dark skin" women or people are somehow "ignored" in the black community? i just don't see it. remember there are MILLIONS of our people in america alone. what we see on b.e.t. or television is not the end all be all of what is going on with our people.
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Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 09:18 pm: |
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^^^I speak as someone who actually descends from some sort of 'mulatto'/white elite(from my Jamaican side). My mother's grandmother was a mixed raced scottish jamaican and her scottish father, though he married a black woman, didn't want her to marry a black man because the 'higher class' mixed and white people only married their own to carry on the elite. Believe it or not this still goes on in the west indies. There was also an elite in New Orleans and parts of latin america. And the longer we ignore it the bigger the problem will become and the more ignored the 'other' group will become. They had 'race riots' in jamaica about this stuff and eventually everyone agreed, black and white, that no matter where you are from or what colour you are you are ALL jamaican and one people.
I don't believe that Lauyn Hill should get anymore coverage than Beyonce. But I do believe that a woman who looks like Lauryn Hill should be treated EXACTLY like a woman who looks like Beyonce. If we blacks are all equal why aren't we treated as such? Why do the lighter skinned blacks in america always get the better paid jobs (in comparision to their light skinned counterparts)? Why are women who look like Beyonce or Alicia Keys the 'femme fatatles' when our darker skinned counterparts aren't? Why is it always viewed as an amazing freak of nature when a dark skinned woman is seen as attractive. I want equality for all black people; not just dark skinned or light skinned. Black people are pitting themselves against eachother and seek to divide themselves because they always put their lighter skinned counterparts first and hold them as the rod of 'beauty'.
The point about hurricane katrina I am trying to make is firstly; most american blacks are brown skinned with noticeable black features. But in the media they are mostly represented by the Terence Howards or Michelle Micahels of america. Many find they cannot relate to that and resent it. I was also shocked at how 'african' these people looked because I actually believed that the average african-american lokked like Jada Pinkett or something lol!
Also, though many of the suffereing of katrina were all hues most of them were black. Those who were trapped in rising waters or ignored by those who were meant to give help were african-american. The mayor of New Orleans hinself identifies as 'creole'. What is that saying to you and the position of black people? You have totally missed my point on the hurricane katrina topic.
And yes, I do admit that all black people come in many shapes and forms NOW. But the tribes african americans originated from looked quite 'monoracial'at the time. From one tribe to another they would have looked different but within a tribe not so much. For example, the ebo from nigeria looked different to the yoruba from nigeria. But within each of those tribes the people have the same look. It is the same thing with the chinese.
And Lauryn Hill is a different sort of black from Beyonce as Beyonce's mother is a 'creole' (she says so herself). The reason I pay more attention to light skin people is because they 'get' more attention. They represent our people to the extent of other dark skinned blacks. Shouldn't it be a 50/50 thing and the representation should reflect the actual black nation?
I am not trying to 'expose' anything. it happened and I, and other people, are some sort of proof of this (lol, my scottish ancestors must be spinning in their graves). What I plan to do is speak out as a person of black/mixed/african descent. I don't judge things by what goes on B.E.T (I don't have that station for one). But what I have noticed that on a social basis light skinned people are put on some sort of pedestal. My light skinned sister is viewed as 'lucky' and 'beautiful' by my mother because she has a long flowing straight locks and yellow skin. I am grateful that my brother is the dark one because it is easier for darker boys. Also, I do have many different hues in my family and I see how they are viewed by people and society.
And I also notice how some black men are with me and why they may like me. I am not talking out of my arse, so to speak. I am going on experience. |
Lil_ze
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Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 374
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 11:53 pm: |
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well, you said alot.my family is from key west florida and cuba, so i understand about this "alleged" situation. but i feel that it has been blown out of proportion. i just don't see light skin blacks being placed on some kind of pedastle. i just don't see it. most of the lighter skin blacks i have known and the ones in my family, have been given "hell" by other black people, simply for being lighter.
"most black americans in the media are represented by people like terrance howard and michelle michael". are you kidding me? denzel washington, morgan freeman, gabrielle union, don cheadle, sanaa lathan, megan good, wesley snipes, tyress gibson, samuel l jackson, queen latifah etc. these entertainers in your view, look different from most black americans? of course they don't. so where is the under representation of brown skin people in the media? people who look like terrance howard are in the minority, as far as black "stars" are concerned. i don't see light skin people getting more "attention" from anyone.
im not going to get too deep into an issue ive spoken about time and time again on this board. but black americans, west indian, black south americans DO NOT "come from" or decsend from tribes in africa. our people never all looked alike or one way. our people are a distinct racial group. the nations in africa are no kind of standard or measuring stick for our people. the idea that our people are some kind of "impure" or "watered-down" version of the nations in africa, was put into our minds during slavery to attempt to erase our racial identity.
"lauren hill is a different kind of black than beyonce". what the HELL does that mean? no metter what beyonce's mother says she is, how is beyonce a different kind of black than lauren hill? and what does this mean?
if your mother, latina wi, looks at you light skin sister as "special" or "beautiful" because she is light skinned, then this is something your mother has to deal with.
you said that you thought most african-americans looked like jada pinkett, and found out the contrary after seeing footage of katrina. i have no idea why you were "laughing out loud" when you typed this. but, the fact is, many of our people DO look loke jada pinkett. some of our people look like lauren hill. some of us look like michael jordan. some of our people look like will smith. some of our people look like beyonce knowles. our people don't look one way. we never have. jada pinkett is no less "black" than lauren hill.
its also non-sense to say that light skin blacks get better paying jobs. where is the evidence of this?
"its easier for dark skin boys"? what does that mean? what is easier? your experience is your experience, latina wi. this whole topic is "much adue about nothing". thats my experience. |
Latina_wi
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^^^Choose to ignore it then, that is where the problem lies and why it thrives. I cannot live or work in a system where everyone is not 'free'.
I was being 'careful' when I said Beyonce is a different kind of black. The woman is bi-racial/mixed, that is why she is different from the 'more pure' Lauryn Hill. You, as a person of supposed latin america descent, should know that if she went to Cuba or Brasil she would be considered some sort of 'mulatto' because that is what she is. She has obvious european features.
Light skinned blacks are placed on a pedestal by other black people. If there was no problem then nobody would be talking about it. The reason your light skin family are 'given hell' is because of the resentment by darker skinned people. Because countries with a black prescence often had an elite were the mixed raced people were held in esteem. This is the very reason why my light skinned, freckled face sisters were coveted by my mother - because she still had that mulatto elitist mentality.
My St. Lucian friend envies her cousin because she is 'lighter skinned' and only dates mixed raced guys. She has this typical caribbean mentality that 'ligher is better' and many of her other family carry the same view (are they just being paranoid as well?).
And have you noticed actors with prominent african looks are mostly male because it is okay to look african and be dark for a male (which is where the quote about my brother came in). I am glad he is the dark one as opposed to any insecure girls in my family because it is much more easier for a black man to be darker skinned.
And come on Lil_ze; of course famous black americans are going to be more 'european' looking. The country has only recently moved out of its racist era (if we were born 55 years ago we would be living under jim crow). America has a serious with black people which is why they choose to promote lighter skinned black celebrities.
And I have read your 'theory' on where blacks in the americas descend from and I find it baffling. Where the heck do they descend from then? How comes you still get blacks in america who look african and have totally african DNA? Whoopi Goldberg, for example, was able to trace her DNA back to the Guinea-Bissau. Clarence Thomas is actually a Gullah descendant (from Ghana methinks). Don Cheadle wouldn't look out of place in the Congo, he totally hasn't got this supposed 'african-american-Will Smith-brown skinned' thing going on! And I know a Jamaican woman who was able to trace her DNA back to west africa and a group of arab people. I am sure if you checked Jada Pinkett's DNA you would find a totally different story. How is africa not a measuring stick for african-americans when the very term used for them means descendants of africa?
It is presumptious to say that all african-americans look something like Will Smith. Because a heck of a lot I have seen when I went to america didn't.
And the very fact you claim this 'much ado about nothing' shows where your heart lies. Maybe you benefit from the current system because your lighskinned...? Or everytime you call Vanessa Williams an african queen you can console with the fact that she is a total carbon copy of the africans we descend from as 'we all come in so many forms'...?
Remember; I speak as a person of lighter hue who sees the way black women are undermined and dismissed. I have a family who are a myriad of colours and I witness their different experiences. Light skin is pushed a heck of a lot. |
Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:12 am: |
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well first off, please explain how it is "ok" for an actor to be dark skinned and look "african" (as you say). please explain this.
second of all, in the land called african there are different racial groups with dark skin. an ethiopian could go to nigeria, and "not look out of place" (as you say of don cheadle in the congo), but that still would not make the ethiopian the same racial group as the people who dwell in nigeria (even though they look)similar.
the chinese and the japanese are TWO DIFFERENT races, yet they look similar. who on this planet do the chinese descend from? who on this planet do the japanese descend from? both of these races are their own distinct racial groups. they owe their existance to know one but their forefathers. the people who were brought to the new world as slaves were and are their own distinct racial group. we as a people owe our existance to our forefathers (not the nations in africa), but the men and women who spawned us. this topic maybe over the haeds of some people. the idea of the slave master was to erase our true identity. this is why the tounges of our forefathers were cut out if they were caught speaking in the tounges we spoke in before we were enslaved. how do you or anyone think our people got into the hands of the european? the dark races in africa and the arabs, raped, robbed, and murdered many of our people, and then sold them as slaves. our people were enslaved in the land of africa (by the africans) before the white man put our people on the slave ships. im tired of trying to explain this over and over. either you "get it" or you don't. there are different dark races all over the earth. the aborigines of australia are dark (black people). the east indians are dark (black people). the ethiopians, somalians, eritreans are dark (black people) the people who dwell in west africa are dark (black people). the bushmen who dwell in namibia are dark (black people). the people of the south pacific islands(solomon islands, figi, tonga, samoan islands, tahiti, are dark (black people). the north africans, egyptians, morrocans, libyans are dark (black people). the fact that all these people are "dark", DOES NOT mean they are the same racial group. the "dark" people who dwell in africa, are not all the same racial group. hence, our people (nation) the black americans, west indians, black south americans (brazilians etc) are a distinct racial group. we are unique and different from all other dark races on earth.
as far as this "dna" testing goes, i take it wit a grain of salt. if you want to trust in the "alleged" science of the children of those who enslaved our people, more power to you. why not ask these same people who are taking these so-called "dna" tests, and the people giving them, how they come upon their so-called "findings. jada pinketts "dna" would tell a different story? this is a straight-up lie. when our people were enslaved everything was done in order to erase the uniqueness of our people. so today our people are thinking we are somehow the descendants of the dark races in africa, because oue enslavers do not want us as a people to "wake up" and realize that we (black americans, west indians, brazlians, central american blacks, etc) are a special people. this is how we are kepy in the "dark" as to who we are. the dark races in africa look NOTHING like our people. and NO this is not due to race mixing. will smith looks the way he does because this is how some of our people look. michael jordan looks the way he does because some of our people look that way. jada pinkett smith looks the way she does because this is how our nation looks. we have look this wa form the beginning of time.
anyone who asks the question, "if black americans don't descend form africans, who do they descend from"? try to answer the question, "who do the chinese descend from"? or "who do the japanese descend from". each of these racial groups are distinct racial groups. they each descend from themselves. the japanese don't owe their existence to the chinese. nor do the chinese owe their existence to the japanese. likewise, our people don't owe our existence to the dark nations in africa. we all have the freedom to believe what we want. if some of our people want to cling to the dark races in africa, more power to them. but i have the understanding that our people are not some "impure" version of an "african". because there is NO such thing as an "african". my father is light skinned. my mother is brown. my fathers father is a light skin man. my fathers mother was a brown woman. my mothers father and her mother were both light skin. im brown skin. so i don't benifit off of some "alleged" racial hierarchy. i can just see through this divide and conquer b.s. that still plagues us as a people. |
Inyaniso
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Am I to understand that you do not believe that the vast majority of Black people in the Americas are here due to the Transatlantic slave trade, which enslaved peoples from West Africa? As an anthropology major I find your theory erroneous and muddled. I can only suggest that you educate yourself on what racial theory is and the important difference between genotype and phenotype. Although what I have found is that when individuals construct an identity for themselves even when it is based on misinformation and sorrowful confusion they are loath to abandon it, as it gives meaning to who they need to be. I do not know your age but I would suggest doing some research on the transatlantic slave trade, this was a legitimate commercial enterprise and so very good records were kept of which people were being enslaved and how. Most of the European captains also kept logs that detailed just what they were doing as the enslavement of Africans was not considered to be a base act and enterprise.
From what you have written it is quite clear that your beliefs are not researched and are stirred by confusion rather than any scholarly evidence. |
Renata
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ON WHAT FUCKING PLANET DO ETHIOPIAN AND NIGERIAN PEOPLE LOOK ALIKE?
AND WHERE DO JAPANESE AND CHINESE LOOK ALIKE?
Just because dumbasses can't tell people apart doesn't mean no one else can.
Look at Takeshi Kaneshiro......he's HALF chinese, but looks NOTHING like CHINESE people. He looks PURE JAPANESE.
Shit, to RACIST MOTHERFUCKERS, black people and hispanics and asians look alike.
I didn't even read the rest of your post, because I'm SURE it's just more racist bullshit.
Inyaniso...You seem like a smart person. But, please, don't be nicer to the trolls than you have to be. |
Renata
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Shit, GUJARATI, KASHMIRI, and TAMIL people don't even look alike....and they're ALL from the same fucking COUNTRY.
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Latina_wi
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^^^^LMAO at Renata; no wonder your angry!
And thank you Inyaniso for your reply, I didn't want to have to explain the transatlantic slave trade to Lil_ze. He probably wouldn't believe it anyway (its probably all a big conspiracy to him).
African-americans are a distinct racial group to other blacks across the world because they descend from different tribes. In England, when they were looking for an attacker they discovered he was light skinned and of afro-caribbean descent. They then did DNA testing of different islands and compared it to the man's own DNA to see which island he is from. Lil_Ze you sound very confused, how do you think black people got to the americas in the first place?
And you need to read posts properly. I never said it was 'okay' for an actor to be darkskinned or african looking (it is neither 'okay' nor 'wrong', the only reason an actor should get a part is if he is appropiate for the role). I just said it is easier for darkskinned african looking men to work in hollywood than his female counterparts.
BTW, Nigerians fulanis may look like ethopians to us but not to eachother. Every racial group is distinct from one another. But some can look similar to one another. However, Africa is a very diverse place racially with people looking different tribe to tribe let alone country to country!
BTW, if all 'our people' look different how come some look like pure blooded africans and others look like 'european' friendly blacks? Even if we did look different traits would still remain the same facially. How come some people can trace their roots back to Ghana et cetera without DNA testing?
And honey, I am totally opposed to the 'divide and conquer' stuff. I believe as BLACK PEOPLE OF ALL COLOURS we should go against the bias that faces dark skinned people, there is no freedom until we are ALL free. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:06 pm: |
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Kola said something awhile about African Americans as a whole being much darker and much more African looking during the first generation or so post-Slavery than they are now. I have no way of proving such, though I'd stand with her on that position.
If that is true, that we were more African in appearance than we are now, what OTHER than our adopting and perpetuating preferences of Whiter/Lighter features could POSSIBLY account for such a change?
That is, btw, mostly a RHETORICAL question. |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 03:11 pm: |
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And also, Lil_ze lumping brasillians and african-americans et cetera in the same racial group is not helping your argument whatsoever. Brasillians and the like are honest in the fact that they are aware that a lot of them are the result of miscogentation. Like I said before, in Brasil especially, black people were seen as a exotic commodities and a lot of black women were allowed to be free after they had a 'mixed child' with their european overseers. A new racial category was made for these people and other mixed people like them (e.g. morena, mulatto etc).
In the USA, blacks were treated horribly (which is why people like Marcus Garvey admired them for their great survival instincts). If a slave master wanted his slave it was seen as some sort of disgusting fetish and kept on the 'low'. The brown baby resulting would be vilified on both sides. They were neither 'free people' but nor where they loved by other slaves. Which is why many african americans with a mixed past are unaware of it because it was kept very much on the quiet. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 12:50 am: |
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"Am I to understand that you do not believe that the vast majority of Black people in the Americas are here due to the Transatlantic slave trade, which enslaved peoples......... From what you have written it is quite clear that your beliefs are not researched and are stirred by confusion rather than any scholarly evidence.
Brilliant! I like what you had to say. I agree. |
Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 03:53 am: |
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some people need to brush up on there reading comprehension skills. of course our people came to the new world via the "trans-atlantic" slave trade. i never said anything close to that. but of course some wanna-be anthropologist from probably some second rate college would infer that from the comments i made. i love how people who have not even obtained an undergraduate degree, attempt to "educate" someone who has masters degree. maybe inyaniso should try to wrap up his four year degree before attempting to talk about "scholarly evidence". his basic ability to read and understand plain english is woefully lacking. |
Inyaniso
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 06:19 pm: |
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Thanks Ntfs_encryption.
Hi Lil_ze, your hostile reply to my question was quite revealing. How could you know where I go to school when you do not even know my correct gender? By your post it seems as though you are sorely in need of 'education' I do not attend a college, I am not in the United States, in Canada you cannot get a degree in Anthropology from a college. Again in my post I was only asking you questions and giving information as I could not assume your age,gender etc. But you revealed yourself quite clearly.
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