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Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 277
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:41 am: | 
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here's an interesting and different point of view from what I’ve seen on this board…. Dagosauce’s thread sparked me to start one similar to it because people weren’t taking his thread seriously. He made a point that the beauty standard has shifted from white to brown because white women are tanning, getting lip and ass injections, building their butts up in the gym and black women are wearing blondish weaves, etc.
Notice that all the beauty icons for white women have either exotic or mixed race features. They are either severely tanned, or have thick lips, slanted eyes or other “mixed” race features. Hell most of the white beauty icons ARE mixed themselves BUT they’re counted as white and portrayed as white. Angelina jolie isn’t full white, carmen electra isn’t full white, and the other are either tanned with “other” features that aren’t typical of a true white person. The same can be said for blacks our beauty icons don’t look all black and it’s the same for Asians whose beauty icons usually arent full asian.
I think dago makes good points and dont think this thread is so stupid. The only thing i think that he should realize is that this "tan" beauty standard has been around for black people for ever…but he does make good points.
the beauty standard does seem to be shifting from white to brown quite a bit now and this is what i had always beleived and also the reason why i use to have no problem when i was younger with light skinned women being used to represent black women and being considered the most beautiful because i realized that they are borrowing features from all over the world to create the ideal. However, when i became a bit more "pro-black" (if that's what you want to call it)in my views, i started to see the delimma with this.
so his post does make sense however, i do think this light skin beauty standard for black women goes way deeper than multiculturalism and it comes from self hatred and white supremacy because this has been a beauty standard for us for 600 yuears now whereas whites are jsut starting to adopt it and that's where i kind of fall out wiht him at.
i read tons of studies that prove the beauty standard IS shifting that support this theory.
both articles proved that people all over the world found a racially ambugiious face most attractive. And when asked to create the ideal face, the face looked very similar to halle berry with slanted eyes and slightly darker skin. That was in one article
the other article found that when a group of whties and asians were asked to rate the best looking face and were given white face asian faces and faces that were partly white and partly asian to rate, they all chose the ones mixed wiht white and asian.
my only problem wiht all this stuff though is that everyone else gets to benefit from black womens features but black women....we were teased for our lips, asses and dark skin for centuries yet when white women like angenina jolie have our lips and latina's like j-lo have our ass they're praised for it. Maralyn monroe back in the 50s was praised for having a full butt as well however black women were teased and still are teased by many for the same thing.
it's ridiculous...everyone is first in line to benefit from black women BUT black women themselves.
But here are some interesting articles
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Misty
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Post Number: 278
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:42 am: |
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here the articles are right here
Have you ever noticed that all those people considered by Hollywood and the media to be "most beautiful" look rather the same? Their faces are all very similar, they all seem to have interchangeable cute little button noses and chins; for instance, imagine superimposing the face of Halle Berry onto that of Tom Cruise; they would be a MUCH closer match, in terms of the relative proportions of the features, than if you were to superimpose either one of those faces onto that of some ugly bugger like baseball's Randy Johnson ( www.ardmoreite.com/images...ohnson.jpg ), or even the not unpresentable mug of yours truly.
I saw a British program about beauty on The Learning Channel which explored, among many other things, the studies of an American plastic surgeon named Stephen Marquardt. From the program and from Marquardt's stuff I extract the following for your consideration:
Human faces considered the most beautiful are those in which the proportions most closely equal the famous "Golden Ratio", that is, 1 to 1.61803. This is a ratio which appears again and again in the dimensions of all plants and animals on Earth. Look at the three sections of any of your own fingers; see how the section attached to the knuckle is the longest, the middle section is shorter, and the tip section is shortest? It so happens that if you take a ruler and measure them, the middle section will be approximately 1.618 times the length of the tip section, and the section adjoining the knuckle is 1.618 times the length of the middle section.
In a "perfect" human face, the apparent distance BETWEEN the eyes is exactly 1.618 times that of the apparent width of each individual eye; the height of the head is 1.618 times that of the width of the head; the distance between the mouth and the eyes is 1.618 times that between the mouth and the bottom of the chin; and so on. That such faces exist, though rarely, can easily be demonstrated through the taking of careful measurements, and it will surprise nobody that they are common in movies and the mass media (Berry, Cruise, George Clooney, etc.)
Of course other things contribute to the beauty of a face - youth, clearness of skin, absence of wrinkles, etc.; but the presence of the "Divine Proportion" (one of the ratio's many aliases) is an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM requirement. In other words, the more the proportions of ANY face diverge from 1:1.618, the uglier the face is, youth, clearness of skin and so on notwithstanding.
Marquardt has created a mathematical representation of a "Divinely Proportioned" human face which can be superimposed onto any appropriate photograph of a real face (that is, the subject must be squarely facing the camera at eye level, be a certain distance from the lens, etc.) He calls this "The Beauty Mask" and it is a ready-made and relatively easy-to-use tool for seeing how "Divine" any face is.
MARQUARDT ON RACE:
"The average or plain Caucasian face no more closely approximates the
Mask than the average or plain face from any other ethnic group. That
is, no ethnic group on average more closely approaches the mask than
any other and no ethnic group is more naturally attractive than any
other. Each group has individuals who closely match the mask, those
who deviate significantly from the mask and the majority who fair
somewhere in between.
To date we have identified what seem to be three basic ethnic
variations from the Mask:
1. The Caucasian variation: This variation is generally applicable to
Europeans, Middle Easterners, Mediterraneans, and Eastern Indians.
2. The Asian Variation: This variation is applicable to individuals of
Asian heritage and to some degree to American Indians.
3. The African Variation: This variation is applicable to those of
African heritage and to some degree to individuals of Melanesian,
Micronesian, Polynesian, and Australian Aborigine descent."
There has been discussion on these boards about "Fat and Fat Acceptance." Given that the ratio 1:1.618 is also found all over the body, not just the face, it seems to me (dolphbar) that great bodily divergence from the Divine Proportion, whether caused by obesity or anorexia, will be generally seen as less attractive.
Finally, I chose this forum for this post because I believe that many WM (besides myself) think black women are extra-beautiful; I can't speak for what BW think of course, but perhaps this will elicit some interesting comments.
And now, the links!
"The Beauty Mask" website: www.beautyanalysis.com/index2_mba.htm
If you dig around a bit in this site you will find explanations and interactive demonstrations of the Golden Ratio, how it relates to the human face and body, and many other fun and fascinating things. NOTE: On this site the Ratio is often referred to by its common Greek name, "PHI."
Home page of the original Learning Channel tv program, "The Human Face with John Cleese": tlc.discovery.com/converg...nface.html
For those interested in math and/or Afrocentrism, specifically, what is the history of the Golden Mean, and who first quantified it, the Egyptians or the Greeks:
www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Pers...i/phi.html -- see the section entitled, "A Bit of history.../Phi and the Egyptian Pyramids?"
http://p200.ezboard.com/fmindkandysinterracialdebateandrelationsfrm1.showMessage ?topicID=871.topic
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Misty
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Post Number: 279
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here's the article where they rated the mixed white and asian faces most attractive
Actor Keanu Reeves and supermodel Devon Aoki have more in common than fame, fortune and good looks—both are also part Asian. Known in popular culture by the Hawaiian term hapa (meaning "half"), people with mixed Asian and European origins have become synonymous with exotic glamour. In Hong Kong and Singapore, half-Asian models now crowd runways once dominated by leggy blondes. In the elite world of Asian fashion, half-Asian is the new white.
The trend may seem little more than an effect of 21st century globalization. As more individuals of mixed descent achieve fame (think Norah Jones and Tiger Woods), it seems natural that society would embrace the mixed look. Media exposure, however, doesn't fully explain the perception of hapa beauty.
Eurasians may possess genetic advantages that lead to greater health and, as a result, enhanced attractiveness. That's according to a study, the first to find that hapa faces are rated as more beautiful than European or Japanese faces. Researchers say the finding may extend to other racial mixes as well.
The experiment by Gillian Rhodes, a psychologist at the University of Western Australia, found that when Caucasian and Japanese volunteers looked at photos of Caucasian, Japanese and Eurasian faces, both groups rated the Eurasian faces as most attractive. These visages were created by first digitally blending a series of faces from each race into "composites" to create average, middle-of-the-road features typical of each race. Past studies show that "average" features are consistently rated as more attractive than exaggerated features—such as an unusually wide forehead or a small chin.
The finding that Japanese and white subjects preferred mixed-race faces was surprising because, earlier in the same study, most volunteers rated their own race as more beautiful than others. That is, white people typically prefer whites when choosing an ideal image of beauty; blacks prefer blacks; etc.
So why might hapas be considered particularly beautiful? Evolutionary psychologists say it's because Eurasians and other mixed race individuals appear healthier. Humans, like other animals, look for markers of good genetic health in their quest for a reproductive partner. Take facial symmetry, for example: Studies show that, whether they know it or not, people prefer individuals with evenly spaced eyes and other signs of congruence. In evolutionary terms, these markers are associated with healthy conditions in the womb. Infants exposed prenatally to toxins or pathogens may develop facial irregularities and asymmetry. The human brain may be wired to avoid these overt cues of lackluster health, says R. Elisabeth Cornwell, a psychologist at the University of Colorado. "The signs of beauty are the signs of health," she says. Rhodes' findings seem to fit this paradigm: Participants in her study said the Eurasian faces appeared healthier, too.
Similarly, evidence suggests that half-Asians' diverse genetic ancestry would enhance health. According to evolutionary psychologist Randy Thornhill, at the University of New Mexico, "If you hybridize two genetically diverse populations—another way of saying you cross races—then you create more genetic diversity in the offspring."
Genetic diversity, or heterozygosity, is associated with a lower incidence of some diseases. Genetic diseases, such as hemophilia and Tay-Sachs, occur when a person inherits two copies of a defective gene. This is more likely to happen in isolated populations with little genetic diversity.
In 2004, Craig Roberts, professor of biology at the University of Newcastle in the U.K., found the first direct link between diverse genes and facial attractiveness. He examined genes of the major histocompatability complex (MHC)—a set of genes crucial to a well-functioning immune system. Photos of people with the greatest MHC diversity were rated more attractive than individuals with less MHC diversity. Here, actual health—the ability to resist infection—was linked to perceptions of attractiveness. Roberts believes this preference helps humans pick healthy mates.
Which features radiate both health and beauty? One may be the appearance of the skin. In a second experiment, Roberts found that women rated close-up photos of heterozygous males' skin as healthier than close-ups of homozygous males' skin, and these judgments correlated with ratings of overall attractiveness.
Ostensibly, evidence that Caucasians and Asians prefer mixed race faces counters a major tenet of mating theory: that we are drawn to partners who resemble ourselves, such as those with similar hair and eye color.
So does this new research explain the popularity of Brazilians, who frequently have blended racial heritage, as fashion models? That remains to be seen. Says Rhodes: "If a preference for mixed-race faces occurs for many different mixes, we could be more confident that it is tapping into something fundamental about human perceptions of attractiveness." |
Misty
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:50 am: |
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It seems the "full" white beauty standard is outdated, however whites are "creating" more whites to take thier place and you can see this partly being done through beauty standards....they tag the label white onto people like angelina jolie and carmen electra (who are actually mixed, carmen is mixed with native american) in order to maintain a sense of superiority and to try to convince everyone else they're the shit eventhough even they themselves know that when it comes to beauty, "full" white is old news.
still the danger comes in them labeling mixed race people white and calling them beautiful eventhough these people arent really white. It's as if whites know that they are weakening and feel they need someone to carry them on, pick up the throne and inherit the whiteness label because they know it's no longer as cool to be white as it once was, it's mmore "cool" and "exotic" being mixed. This is not to deny that true whites still recieve white priviledge, but whiteness jsut isnt seen as attractive as it once was. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:54 am: |
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Misty,
In you last post you explain WHY Black foks - especially Black WOMEN - had better avoid getting swept up in the whole neo-brown beauty concept, which, btw, is still much more speculative than real.
Because as long as there is some RACIAL delineation between those who ARE and are NOT Black/African and the NOT's do better than the ARE's, Blacks as whole will get no further than we are right now. |
Cynique
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 12:27 pm: |
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I've always subscribed to the "golden triangle" concept wherein a particular facial symmetry along with a certain mold of features are universally appealing. I also agree that honey color is the most coveted skin tone. Race takes a back seat when it comes to any woman who has "the look." |
Dagosauce
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 01:15 pm: |
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Bravo Cynique. If you read up on all of this you will find you are right on in your concept. That was the only point I was laying out in my "foolish" thread. Thanks for the follow up data Misty. |
Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 01:32 pm: |
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You know I agree with everything you wrote, Cynique!
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Nels
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 01:59 pm: |
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"I've always subscribed to the "golden triangle" concept wherein a particular facial symmetry along with a certain mold of features are universally appealing. I also agree that honey color is the most coveted skin tone. Race takes a back seat when it comes to any woman who has "the look.""
Good speak, Cynique.
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Abm
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You all are kidding, right.
I mean, there are PUUUULENTY of chicks throughout the country and world who've got "the look". And you hardly EVER see'em. Hell. Go down to, say, Brazil and you've got Cynique's "golden triangle" chicks growing like dandelions.
Beauty is NOT just a function of any look. Hell. That's really at best secondary.
Beauty is first/foremost about who does and does not have POWER.
Show me a rich/powerful man, and I'll show you a 'beautiful' wife and daughter - dayam what those chicks ACTUALLY look like.
And another thing: Go into ANY of your major bookstores. Look throughout their ABOUNDING magazine section. I'll bet near 90% of the chicks on the magazine cover you spy are stereotypically WHITE. And most of those who are not such are half as White as they are not. |
Maze
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I look Italian, but you said it Cynqiue.
People shouldn't be upset. Multi-racial is just the wave of the future. We just look better than white or black people to be honest.
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Maze
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Abm you're just mad because you can't get a woman with "the look".
Don't hate. Congratulate.
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A_womon
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OH PUHLEEZE!
NO one race--mixed or not--has cornered the market on beauty. There are some butt ugly interracial people just like there ar butt ugly white people and butt ugly people from other races as well. Butt ugly tan people butt ugly carmel people...ect. |
Abm
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Maze,
Don't flatter yourself.
Some of you multi-racial foks - note, I say SOME - look interesting primarily because you're 'newer' and fewer. If the majority of people looked like you, the fewer Blond hair & Blue eyed Whites and Chocolate-skinned Blacks would look more interesting just by comparison to your commonness. |
Abm
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A_womon,
Indeed.
Who the hell wants some flatbutt, no lip having a$$ chick who's got a permanent light tan with pimples and can't dance or screw?
You can HAVE THAT.
Give me a sistah woman ANYDAY; Brown, Black or Blue! |
Maze
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Not according to Kola Boof A_woman. She tries to claim ink spots with cockleburs for hair are the most beautifl women.
If you don't agree with her, then you broke a sin nd your going to hell, because Goddess Bootyscratcher with the crusty ass said so.
Well I look full Italian and I can get more black men than she will ever get!
You can be authentic. I'm more beautiful and eveyr black man says so.
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Maze
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Talk is cheap Abm.
If you saw me you would leave your wife in a heartbeat and don't even play the role just because you are in front of the bitter bitch club right now.
We know what's up don't we?
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A_womon
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Bullshi* Maze/Moonsigns! Unless you have screwed every black man in the world how would you know what they think?
I don't need the opinion of every man--black or white when I look in the mirror I CAN SEE that I'm fine!
ABM! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!! SO VERY TRUE! |
A_womon
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see, that's the trouble with this board, people always signing in as someone else to say what they are too chicken to say on their own, or to make it seem like others agree with them. |
A_womon
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oh mazemoonsigns still playing with yourself ain't cha? hahahahaha! come back tomorrow and hit me up with one star again! HA!! |
Abm
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Hey. I don't have any problem with someone being of mixed blood. Hell. It wasn't like they CHOSE to be anything.
But no way I'm buying this notion that racial ambiguity is some next stage advancement of human beings.
It's the VARIETY of the human species that allows all of us to grow, adapt and evolve. |
Cynique
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Show me a rich man, ABM, and I'll show you a man whose wife spends a lot of his money on making her and her daughters conform to whatever "The Look" calls for. The beauty of money generates power, but physical beauty is an aesthetic and it acquires its position because the male of the species instinctively responds to an image that has an instinctive appeal to his eyes. BTW, that Caucasion Anglo Saxon air-head Paris Hilton spends a lot of time in the tanning salons in order to maintain her golden girl image. |
Cynique
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Another tactic of people on this board is to respond to a contention that hasn't been made. To say that an appealing face conforms to a universal configuration has nothing to do with race. And to say that golden skin inspires the least amount of rejection is true. Nobody has a problem with this shade. |
A_womon
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unless they're butt ugly--ugly overtakes any uniform anything and you can bet golden skin ugly will get rejected too! |
Maze
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Why does no one attack racists like Kola Boof just becuase theyr black?
She's butt ugly A_woman have you noticed?
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Cynique
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An ugly woman with golden skin will be rejected for the grotesque configuration of her face, not for the color of her skin. When described as being ugly, her golden skin tone will never be a part of the criticism - except to maybe say that her beautiful tan is wasted on her ugly features. |
A_womon
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This thread is about the beauty of brown-beige-carmel golden skin women being or NOT being the new standard of beauty--why drag KOLA into this???
And actually, if a new standard of beauty is emerging and moving toward the forefront and that standard happens to be brown I'm all for it. Maybe erasing the blonde blue eyed standard will move ALL colors closer to the truth--THERE IS NO ONE STANDARD OF BEAUTY Beauty is relative and it comes in all shades shapes AND COLORS!!!! |
Abm
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Cynique,
Again. South America is RIFE with these racially ambiguous chicks. So are parts of the Caribbean. Even parts of Africa?
Why isn't there some RUN on these chick?
Why are rich men throughout the globe nabbing and marrying chicks who look like this?
Why? I mean. If 'brown' is in, shouldn't SHE be the new standard of feminine perfection?
I’ll tell you why? Because it’s ONE thing to admire some exotic brown beauty. It’s quite ANOTHER thing to want to glorify, marry and REPRODUCE with’em. |
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Has a new stadard been set or has it always been the same? When your in Mexico the Mexicans don't fawn over Angelina Jolie nor are they like that in Brazil, or many other countries. I belive that Jessica Alba was considered the "it" girl last time that I looked, and I belive she has a mass appeal. Maze you have made some pretty bold statements regarding how attractive you are due to your skin tone, but you may have forgotten the old sentiment that beauty is only skin deep. |
Cynique
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I, myself, am not saying that golden skin is a new standard that has begun to emerge and I do not agree that there is no one criteria for beauty. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder but in the realm of art its about symmetry not opinions. Or am I saying that beauty has anything to do with skin color. I am simply saying that golden skin has always been acceptable and has never revolted anyone. |
Cynique
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ABM. Why would there have to be a "run" to the point where men have to go to Brazil or the Carribean to find the women you describe???? Men can find these types right here in America in the person of females who possess this universal "look". |
Juelz
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I am wondering if this how the first women on earth looked to begin with, not in appearance but more so about skin tone. They say that everything comes full circle at some point. |
Nels
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Fact is, Brazil has been the de facto standard of dynamic female personas for a long time. Regardless of their race, like it or not, they're hot - any way you cut it. |
Misty
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ABM, men sawm to brazil, asia and africa for prostitutes quite a bit and when you top it off with the fact that most people considereed beautiful are either tanned, naturally tanned, caramel or brown, along with having thick lips and other exotic features you see that this idea that "whitness" is out as far as the beauty standard goes does make since.
I think this is a matter of whites wanting to aquire the exotic and to aquire what they consider beautiful but at the same time wanting to maintain white priviledge. Because the majority of men who go to these countries dont end up marrying the women they fawn so much over. so you're dead on when you say this.
"I’ll tell you why? Because it’s ONE thing to admire some exotic brown beauty. It’s quite ANOTHER thing to want to glorify, marry and REPRODUCE with’em."
whiteness is still the standard for women but not for beauty. theres a difference in being considered marriageable and being considered beautiful.
notice asian women arent in the media half as mcuih as hispanic and black women. Plus you dont have half as many asian beauty icons as you do other races. However, white men are still more likely to marry them than they are to marry other women of color because alot of asians are lighter than whites and whites feel that mixing and marrying with asians won't kill the whiteness gene as much mixing or marry with a hispanic, a black or a woman from india. They've adopted asian women into the mix to be the new standard of womanhood for when there are no longer any more white people.
so with whites its aobout having your cake and eating it too...they dont want their race to die out and they still want to be the ones on top yet they loveto take a dip in the dark pool quite often. The way white men keep their race and their women on top and on a pedestal is by MARRYING them instead of jsut fucking them. Yet its the white women wiht tans and thick lips who are considered the most attractive. just liek for other races it's "mixed looking' or racially ambiguoys features that are considered attractive.
This tanned standard has been around for some time now though and guess who it started with? Josephine baker and coco shanel. whites started out wanting to copy josephine bakers tan when she went to europe, one of my white female literature professors explained this to us. So this standard isnt really all that new.
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A_womon
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whether you agree or not is not the issue you are entitled to your opinion as I am mine.
I say there is no one standard of beauty symmetry notwithstanding. symmetry is also relative. what is considered symmetrical by some may be diametrically opposed to your view of what is symmetrical.
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Misty
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ABM,
"In you last post you explain WHY Black foks - especially Black WOMEN - had better avoid getting swept up in the whole neo-brown beauty concept, which, btw, is still much more speculative than real."
I hear you ABM but i think it's pretty real because the tan standard has been around for quite some time but it's been around for blacks way logner than it';s been a standard for whites. With whites this standard wasnt born out of self-hatred but with blacks it was forced on us and we were made to feel ashamed for being so dark....whites CHOSE to surcome to the standard simply because they found it appealing whereas blacks were FORCED to surcome to it or else be completely excluded form everything. In other words we were shamed into accepting it.
"Because as long as there is some RACIAL delineation between those who ARE and are NOT Black/African and the NOT's do better than the ARE's, Blacks as whole will get no further than we are right now."
This part is so true!
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Cynique
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The beginning of the thread resonated with the the art of beauty. And symmetry is inherently constant, not relative. |
Misty
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plus,i honestly think the brown to tan standard of beauty is a more natural thing rather than a standard that was forced on us liek the white beauty standard was...there have been scientific studies that found that racially ambiguous people are healthir than others and are more likely to have facial symmetry than people who are "truely" white or "truely" black or "truely" asian.
although i do love beautiful smooth dark jet black skin becuase it's ahrder to see blemishes on the skin and the skin is also more even. Darker people also don't age as quick or wrinkle as quick...so dark skin does have positives of its own.
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Schakspir
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ABM: A_womon,
Indeed.
Who the hell wants some flatbutt, no lip having a$$ chick who's got a permanent light tan with pimples and can't dance or screw?
You can HAVE THAT.
Give me a sistah woman ANYDAY; Brown, Black or Blue!
Schapskir: You haven't been to Budapest or Prague, so how can you know what the hell you're talking about? Here's a hint: these white girls (who, by the way, are not my preference, no matter what your pal Kola says) can balance shot glasses on their butts. And they look fine--in a European/Caucasian way, that is. |
Kola_boof
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TO ALL:
As the old European saying goes and STILL goes:
Marry a White Woman
Have a Brown Mistress
Keep a Black Woman as your Maid
This is all utter bullshit about "brown" women becoming the new standard---as they have ALWAYS been/and are "exoticized", "exploited", "fucked" and "deserted"---and were/and are tragic in the fact that the illusion of "belonging"---FOR THEM---never overcomes the reality that their identity is a homeless one.
Cynique,
There is no such thing as a "universal" look for human beings----that's like saying there is a "center" of the universe.
In all your arrogance, can you imagine how the ambigous woman that ABM posted would look to human beings in Congo, Cameroon or Sudan?
To them...she would be another SPECIES (and for some, a "Dream fantasy")...but not even human.
In those countries, she would be called "WHITE".
So you see, there is no center of the universe.
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Kola_boof
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Good lord, Misty.
You're totally wrong in saying that "ambigous" raced people are generally HEALTHIER than other races----what hogwash!
Studies show that they are oftentimes unable to be treated for Chemo, for nervous system maladies and ESPECIALLY blood maladies-----because they are mixed.
A good example is the Baseball star whose daughter died because his white wife came from an EXTINCT ancient Jewish race, and when mixed with his black/indian blood, something in the blood couldn't coagulate--------she couldn't adapt to a new kidney, because she was mixed.
The pure Black, according to science---is the ONLY "pure" person on earth---and very difficult to locate, even in Africa.
There is no such thing as a "pure" white, as they are--according to science--a genetic deviant (missing a cell) that would otherwise make them Black.
There was a hugely publicized study on this very recently about the "WHITE GENE".
It weakens and dilutes anything it touches.
African hair (nappy hair) is PURE protein.
European hair is DEFICIENT in vitamin D and protein, which causes it to be very oily, to grow fast (like a dead person's) and to lack substance, making it straight.
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Abm
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Schakspir,
I have observed some strains of Eastern European chicks packing some righteous hind-parts. But they tend to have sort of cheap, shallow, Eurotrash look about them that don't really do it for me.
Not that there's anything wrong with being Eurotrash, mind you. |
Abm
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Kola,
Thanks for the assist.
I think foks here are confusing some momentary exotic interest and lust with sincere/earnest/enduring appreciation.
By all things I observe, the White man's goddess is a White woman.
And, hell. A White man might fawn over and fuhk a friggin' chimpanzee (Some probably HAVE, actually.). That don't mean he's gone idolize, glorify and MARRY the sucker. |
Abm
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Kola,
Btw: I think the baseball player you're referring to is the GREAT Rod Carew! |
Abm
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Kola,
I gottah admit though: The Brazilian chick I posted is somekinda fione. I mean, GOOD GOOGALIE MOOGALIE!!!! |
Mzuri
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Cynique - Is the golden triangle similar to the golden mean/ratio/section. What is the facial symmetry standard - your eyes being proportionately aligned with your mouth or what? Please elaborate. For the college dropouts. |
Misty
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"Kola,
Thanks for the assist.
I think foks here are confusing some momentary exotic interest and lust with sincere/earnest/enduring appreciation.
By all things I observe, the White man's goddess is a White woman.
And, hell. A White man might fawn over and fuhk a friggin' chimpanzee (Some probably HAVE, actually.). That don't mean he's gone idolize, glorify and MARRY the sucker."
ABM, if you reread my first post to you, you see that what you said is in part the whole gist of my post. What you said is really not that different form what i said....i simply realize thaty the white BEAUTY standard is old news but i also sais white women are still idolized more as being the ideal for womanhood since they're considered marriageable. I may not have said it in those words but if you reread the post you will see that ive been saying somehting similar to this all along.
as i said there's a difference in being considered marriageable and being considered attractive.
here's the post im refering to
"ABM, men sawm to brazil, asia and africa for prostitutes quite a bit and when you top it off with the fact that most people considereed beautiful are either tanned, naturally tanned, caramel or brown, along with having thick lips and other exotic features you see that this idea that "whitness" is out as far as the beauty standard goes does make since.
I think this is a matter of whites wanting to aquire the exotic and to aquire what they consider beautiful but at the same time wanting to maintain white priviledge. Because the majority of men who go to these countries dont end up marrying the women they fawn so much over. so you're dead on when you say this.
"I’ll tell you why? Because it’s ONE thing to admire some exotic brown beauty. It’s quite ANOTHER thing to want to glorify, marry and REPRODUCE with’em."
whiteness is still the standard for women but not for beauty. theres a difference in being considered marriageable and being considered beautiful.
notice asian women arent in the media half as mcuih as hispanic and black women. Plus you dont have half as many asian beauty icons as you do other races. However, white men are still more likely to marry them than they are to marry other women of color because alot of asians are lighter than whites and whites feel that mixing and marrying with asians won't kill the whiteness gene as much mixing or marry with a hispanic, a black or a woman from india. They've adopted asian women into the mix to be the new standard of womanhood for when there are no longer any more white people.
so with whites its aobout having your cake and eating it too...they dont want their race to die out and they still want to be the ones on top yet they loveto take a dip in the dark pool quite often. The way white men keep their race and their women on top and on a pedestal is by MARRYING them instead of jsut fucking them. Yet its the white women wiht tans and thick lips who are considered the most attractive. just liek for other races it's "mixed looking' or racially ambiguoys features that are considered attractive.
This tanned standard has been around for some time now though and guess who it started with? Josephine baker and coco shanel. whites started out wanting to copy josephine bakers tan when she went to europe, one of my white female literature professors explained this to us. So this standard isnt really all that new."
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Kola_boof
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MISTY---
If you ever watch the motion pictures that Josephine Baker starred in ("Princess Tam Tam") she was a dark skinned black woman.
NOT TANNED like the postcard art that has been created and the photos to lighten her.
She was considerably darker than Lynn Whitfield who played her.
Bricktop was tanned (lightskinned).
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Kola_boof
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"JouJou", another Josephine Baker film, that really shows how BLACK she was in real life.
This is why my sister SPRING was so disappointed after collecting the POSTCARDS and lightened posters as a teen and then finally saw the film "Princess Tam Tam" and blurted out, "She's not beautiful--that's just a regular black lady!"
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Misty
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Kola
“You're totally wrong in saying that "ambigous" raced people are generally HEALTHIER than other races----what hogwash! “
Not saying it s true that racially ambiguous people are ALWAYS healthier, however most studies prove that those who are mixed race are more likely to have symmetrical faces. A symmetrical face is a sign of good health.
“:Studies show that they are oftentimes unable to be treated for Chemo, for nervous system maladies and ESPECIALLY blood maladies-----because they are mixed.
A good example is the Baseball star whose daughter died because his white wife came from an EXTINCT ancient Jewish race, and when mixed with his black/indian blood, something in the blood couldn't coagulate--------she couldn't adapt to a new kidney, because she was mixed. “
Not saying this is not true..it’s my first time hearing it
“The pure Black, according to science---is the ONLY "pure" person on earth---and very difficult to locate, even in Africa. “
Right, I know everyone comes from Africans but you know what i mean when I say someone who is “pure” white. I’m talking about your average features that are attributed to the people that we label white…features that are father from the “typical“ features that Africans posess.
“There is no such thing as a "pure" white, as they are--according to science--a genetic deviant (missing a cell) that would otherwise make them Black.”
Right, but again, it’s the same as I said above.
“There was a hugely publicized study on this very recently about the "WHITE GENE".
It weakens and dilutes anything it touches.
African hair (nappy hair) is PURE protein.
European hair is DEFICIENT in vitamin D and protein, which causes it to be very oily, to grow fast (like a dead person's) and to lack substance, making it straight. “
Rather deficient in protien or not I believe all hair types have advantages of their own.
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Abm
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Misty,
I think we agree. So then I'll ask you something: If the Eurocentric standard is maintained, what REALLY has changed other than we're occassionally seeing more women in media who do not appear to be Wholly white?
If dayamnear +96% of White husband have White spouses, what REALLY is changing other than maybe some more overt and sanctioned Black and Brown cQQchie poppin'?
Nothing.
Sure they may shore up some of their numbers with lighter Asians and Hispanics. But that's about as off-White as they're gonna go.
White men are no more or less turned on by non-White women than they ALWAYS have been. There's NEVER been a shortage of White who had the 'Fevah'.
Still. As long as White dominance prevails, non-White beauty will be considered much more the exception than the standard. |
Misty
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"JouJou", another Josephine Baker film, that really shows how BLACK she was in real life.
This is why my sister SPRING was so disappointed after collecting the POSTCARDS and lightened posters as a teen and then finally saw the film "Princess Tam Tam" and blurted out, "She's not beautiful--that's just a regular black lady!"
it's a shame they felt the need to lighten her pictures jsut because she was considered a beautiful black woman. Just goes to show how much they can fool people if they're not trying to pretend that only light women can be beautiful then they're trying to paint the dark beautyies lighter...LOL |
Cynique
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Speaking of arrogance, Kola Boof, there is such a thing as a universal look that is considered appealing by all people from all races! Again it has to do with how the facial features are arranged and how well molded they are. It has nothing to do with skin tone, eye color, hair type. Large, slightly slanted. wide-set eyes and a short nose as opposed to a long sharp one, curvacious lips and apple cheeks are found in every race! Even babies will show a preference to a face that exhibits these characteristics when they are tested. |
Kola_boof
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MISTY:
Not saying it s true that racially ambiguous people are ALWAYS healthier, however most studies prove that those who are mixed race are more likely to have symmetrical faces. A symmetrical face is a sign of good health.
THIS IS MORE BULLSHIT.
Do you even understand what SYMMETRY is???
Are you saying a NORDIC face (white angular) is more Symmetrical than a GAMINE (round Nilotic/Asian) face?
SYMMETRY means that all the features are BALANCED on the face in proportion to the others.
= If you have a flat wide nose, then a set of thick catepillar-shaped lips, high cheekbones, eyes one COIN/Quarter apart and all these features spaced apart creates SYMMETRY.
There is equal SYMMETRY in all races and groups of human beings.
The IBO of Africa with a flat wide nose, large lips, high cheekbones and eyes slightly far apart has just as much SYMMETRY as the Scandinavian with a ski-slope nose, no lips, high cheekbones and eyes equal distance apart.
THAT is symmetry.
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Abm
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Cynique: "Large, slightly slanted. wide-set eyes and a short nose as opposed to a long sharp one, curvacious lips and apple cheeks are found in every race! Even babies will show a preference to a face that exhibits these characteristics when they are tested."
Who sponsored such studies? The International Association of Biracials Beauties? |
Abm
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Kola,
What they don't get is even their CONCEPT of facial symmetry is going to have some racial or nationalistic bias. |
Kola_boof
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CYNIQUE:
Speaking of arrogance, Kola Boof, there is such a thing as a universal look that is considered appealing by all people from all races!
NO CYNIQUE....I just explained what Symmetry is, on which I agree with you...
but what there is that is not being acknowledged is a SELECTIVE MEDIA "projecting" of what exactly can and cannot be accepted as "universal"----and as the film that TONYA posted proves---these messages are encoded and passed on like poison at birth. Even children respond to them.
Though there is some truth in the nature of "symmetry"---there is a LARGER TRUTH in the fact that we are programmed and told what to think is beautiful by those who possess the most POWER....be they white men or mulattos.
RARELY do we ever see representations of what Authentic Black people believe is beautiful, and when we do---the symmetry present in it is overlooked to digress on the basis of race, colorism and other SOCIOLOGICAL pathologies.
There is a much larger picture than what you all are willing to acknowledge and explore.
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Kola_boof
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ABM:
Kola,
What they don't get is even their CONCEPT of facial symmetry is going to have some racial or nationalistic bias.
Exactly ABM. I had to re-post your most important deduction as I wish I could have summed it up so bluntly and rightly. Thank you. MISTY doesn't even understand what "SYMMETRY" is--as she thinks mixed individuals have more than any other group--which is impossible.
How does one compare CHINESE SYMMETRY to SLAVIK SYMMETRY?
SYMMETRY means "PROPORTION" in relation to other features.
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Abm
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Kola,
This is sorta like that hair issue we've discussed on another thread. We've been so deluged by Whiteness that even our most basic points of reference are tainted by the European.
You're going to have a devil of a time reaching a lot of African Americans because, unlike most of us, you can see the world via a non-Whiten purview. |
Abm
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Kola,
For me, I have to actively deconstruct many basic erroneous presumptions and inferences.
I now try to ACTIVELY look at dark Black women. (And, no, I'm not looking to step out on Destined.) Understand. I have been attracted to and have dated darkskinned sisters. But I admit that a lighter-color sistah was more likely to catch my casual glance.
Why? Because if you were a certain shade, unless there was something about you that especially stood out, I might have never really noticed how beautiful you actually are.
I'm SURE that that is the thing with many - if not MOST - Black men. It's not so much we can't admire and appreciate the beauty of darker women. But we've been so condition to ignore them that we never give them (and ourselves) a chance. |
Maze
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Well, if it isn't the African bootyscratcher herself.
Hello RACIST ASS COLORSTRUCK MAN-FACED KOLA.
You know, Kola Boof, I know no one has told
you this, but you are not the ONLY woman
in the world.
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Moonsigns
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Cynique is on point, because individuals who are considered "beautiful" or "more attractive" than most have a symmetrical facial structure --regardless of "color".
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Kola_boof
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You know, Kola Boof, I know no one has told
you this, but you are not the ONLY woman
in the world.
OR at least that's the rumor....that's
been going around.
Now if you don't mind, you hairy ass
Italian Cracker CREE-HOLE bitch---
I can't dance to that music you're
playing.
And you---FRANKLY--haven't got enough
ass to get on stage with Mama, so you
need to sit down and stop sounding
"and dancing"----like a broken record.
Give me regards to Mzuri, would Ja?
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Kola_boof
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ABM, God bless you for
such WISDOM:
Kola,
For me, I have to actively deconstruct many basic erroneous presumptions and inferences.
I now try to ACTIVELY look at dark Black women. (And, no, I'm not looking to step out on Destined.) Understand. I have been attracted to and have dated darkskinned sisters. But I admit that a lighter-color sistah was more likely to catch my casual glance.
Why? Because if you were a certain shade, unless there was something about you that especially stood out, I might have never really noticed how beautiful you actually are.
I'm SURE that that is the thing with many - if not MOST - Black men. It's not so much we can't admire and appreciate the beauty of darker women. But we've been so condition to ignore them that we never give them (and ourselves) a chance.
This is not just for you, ABM,
but is what we ALLLLLL must do.
NOTE Moonsigns and her incessant
failure to acknowledge that symmetry
has several varieties.
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Maze
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Talk your shit Kola Boof.
Thats why your man left you for me.
You also a fraud ass lying jungle bitch
who needs to go back to Africa where
nobody can notice you STINK LIKE SHIT.
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Serenasailor
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Maze/Mzuri you are just some silly bitch who thinks that having yellow skin is beautiful and she herself doesn't want to be associated with us dark-skinned Negroes.
Puleeze Mzuri/Maze GET A LIFE!!! |
Mzuri
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SS - You need to stop making unsubstantiated allegations that you don't have a clue about and take your QUEER CORNHOLE FUCKTARD ASS and contact MrGameFAGGOT so that he can stop spamming this forum with his bullshit propositions for you.
PISSANT WANKER BITCH. |
Maze
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I'd rather be a smart business
minded woman like Mzuri
Than be a Colorstruck fucktard
like Kola Boof.
At least Mzuir is intelligent
and doesn't lie to us.
She isn't so desperate for a
man she has to put naked pics
of herself on a public message
board every 5 minutes.
Kola MAN-face is a mulatto but she hates
mulattos! What a hypocrite fraud ass
liar!!!
Kola I wish you not put your photo up,
it's giving me the creeps.
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Mzuri
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Maze - You too can be business minded just like me. Just go sell some furniture at eBay for about seven years, develop some standalone websites to sell other durable goods, refine your online ventures until they are running on autopilot - parlay your proceeds to set-up some real world businesses that require a minimal amount of effort and you'll know everything you need about operating smart business. |
Moonsigns
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Kola:
"symmetry has several varieties."
Moonsigns:
There is no such thing as a "variety" of symmetry. Something is either symmetrical or not...proportioned or not...balanced or imbalanced --there are absolutely no gray areas. However, there are a variety of facial features among differing ethnic groups, and the color of one's skin does not influence the symmetry of their facial features. That explains why beautiful and unnattractive people can be found in every ethnic group.
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Misty
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“THIS IS MORE BULLSHIT.
Do you even understand what SYMMETRY is???"
Kola, you’re the one who’s not even understanding a word I’m saying here. Yes I realize what symmetry is and didn’t need it explained to me… why wouldn’t I understand what symmetry is when im the one who started this topic in which it BLATANTLY explains what facial symmetry is…..my only point iks this, according to studies that I’ve read, people who are of more “mixed race” ancestry tend to have more symmetry in that their face is symmetrical on both sides and all of the measurements like the lip to chin ratio, eyebrow to nose ratio, eye to eye ratio etc are all in sync with one another and come closest to the symmetry scale.
"Are you saying a NORDIC face (white angular) is more Symmetrical than a GAMINE (round Nilotic/Asian) face? "
Nope, where did you get that from….in none of my posts did I ever say that or even IMPLY that whites had more facial symmetry than Africans. So i dont get why you would come up with that.
"SYMMETRY means that all the features are BALANCED on the face in proportion to the others."
I REALIZED this a long long time ago…LOL
= If you have a flat wide nose, then a set of thick catepillar-shaped lips, high cheekbones, eyes one COIN/Quarter apart and all these features spaced apart creates SYMMETRY."
Right I don’t doubt that....never did |
Misty
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I think we agree. So then I'll ask you something: If the Eurocentric standard is maintained, what REALLY has changed other than we're occassionally seeing more women in media who do not appear to be Wholly white? “
ABM, it’s the BEAUTY standard that has changed…white women are NOT the beauty standard anymore. How can they be the beauty standard when the majority of the white women who are considered beautiful by the public are not even full white or either have strong tans and thick lips and other features that make them look less white? There are very few white women now who poses the “typical” white woman look that are beauty icons. White women are the symbol of status, that’s what they are it doesn’t mean they still represent the image of beauty altogather. They are also seen in a more favorable light because white men set them up as women who are supposedly t “good” women who are docile, more lady-like, less pushy, and less sexually aggressive. White women are still able to remain on the pedestal not necessarily because they’re seen as more attractive but because they’re sene as more moral and as the symbol of status, they're also seen as more respectable women. Been respectible doesnt nessesarily mean a person is more attractive..there are tons of attractive women who are disrespected everyday. In other words white women are seen as marriage material. White women are also white mens meal ticket into white priviledge.
“Still. As long as White dominance prevails, non-White beauty will be considered much more the exception than the standard.”
Me and you have to agree to disagree on this part because as I;’ve said time and time again, there’s a difference in being considered attractive and being considered marriage material. Plus it’s only natural that white mena r emore likely to marry within their “race” being that they’re raised around them and that’s what they’re use to….interacting with other races is always more strange to people than being around their own…. These ARE their mothers, sisters and daughters, so of course they're oging to treat them with more respect. so it also has to do with comfort…yes the white woman is still the white mans goddess but not always in terms of beauty. Not only are white women a goddess to white men but they’re considered goddesses to all races even if people don’t see them as the msot attractive.
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Sabiana
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Maze, why, by God, to you have to post that stupid avatar of the drunken stripper on everything you post? (or is it you?) |
Brownbeauty123
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Misty, I disagree. White women are STILL the beauty standard. You have Nicole Kidman, Charlize Theron, Jennifer Anniston, Cameron Diaz, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Hillary Duff, Britney Spears...and just about every nameless bland blonde hair model you see in Vogue. Sadly that All American look is still in demand.
"ABM, men sawm to brazil, asia and africa for prostitutes quite a bit and when you top it off with the fact that most people considereed beautiful are either tanned, naturally tanned, caramel or brown, along with having thick lips and other exotic features you see that this idea that "whitness" is out as far as the beauty standard goes does make since. "
So, society goes from admiring "light" Caucasions to "dark" Caucasions.
That still means Black women get little to no representation for our beauty.
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Mzuri
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Sabiana, I'll be glad when you're initiated so you'll have a clue. LOL!!! |
Sabiana
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Vous chien stupide avez fait face ŕ la chienne! Ze board iz a mystery I have vet to discover. What iz, this, intiation? Do we meet for, ah! yes, coffee? Do you have a life? |
Serenasailor
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Exactly, Brownbeauty! You are on point. The fact is that for western society "Whiteness" is still the standard of beauty. No matter whether it is Bloned haired Caucasions or Dark Haired Caucasions "Whiteness" is still the standard of beauty.
What is sad is when non-white ppl standard of beauty is "whiteness". Because every race should have their own distinct standard of beauty. And their standard of beauty should mirror the features of their race. Black ppls standard of beauty should be Black(As in African feautures) Asians ppl standard of beauty should be Asian(As in Asian features) etc.
Halle Berry should not be the standard for Black ppl because she is not fully "Black".
Kristin Kreuk should not be the standard for Asians because she is not fully Asian.
Aishawryi Rai should not be the standard for Indians because when most Indians are dark-skinned and dark featured.
Giselle Bunchen should not be the standard for Hispanics/Latins because most Hispanics are of Indian(Mestizo) or African(Mullatto) decent.
White supremacy says that whiteness is not just the standard for beauty. But for humanity. Which is sad. Because should no one race should have the market for humanity. White ppl have put themselves on the same level as God. Which is not only arrogant but dangerous.
So like Shemika said in the earlier post when you worship white ppl or Caucasion features you are practicing a form of Idolatry |
Doberman23
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i think that chick that abm posted was hot, but i can't tell until i seen a behind shot. what the hell are you guys talking about anyways... i don't feel like doing a bunch of reading, better not be that colorism stuff, cuz if it is i'm going to the next topic. |
Prettybabygirl
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Hey Misty,
You said that "Mixed race" people tend to have better symmetry than Black or White people.
Kola pointed out that all people of all groups have some form of Symmetry.
But Misty, I agree with you 100% that White is the "marriage standard" and having some type of color is the "beauty standard". On that part, I'm with you.
Moonsigns,
Kola said the exact same thing you just said. By saying "varieties" she indicated exactly what you said. So stop tripp'n.
Maze,
You need to sit the fuck down. You ain't impressing nobody in here, male or female. We could give a damn about you looking like an Italian.
In fact, I bet most of the people in here, probably including Moonsigns, find you less interesting because of it.
You got OLD at about post #4. Plus we all know you're Mzuri.
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Prettybabygirl
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Post Number: 469
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Abm,
As usual---you da man. 
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Mzuri
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PBG - I asked you nicely yesterday to keep my NAME out of your dick-sucking shit-eating hemorrhoid-breath MOUTH! WTF don't you understand? |
Prettybabygirl
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Post Number: 471
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Mzuri, why do you trash up the board with all this cussing and name calling 24/7? You're gross as fuck.
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Mzuri
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You must like it since you keep provoking me, BITCH. If you would keep MY NAME outta YOUR MOUTH like I asked you to yesterday then I wouldn't even address you at all. You're always instigating some bullshit with me and then you whine when I check your cry-baby cock-brained ass. FUCK FACED POP TART! |
Mzuri
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http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/179/14459.html#POST62123 |
Prettybabygirl
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Whatever Mzuri/Maze.
SMH
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Moonsigns
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Post Number: 1314
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Prettybabygirl:
"Kola said the exact same thing you just said. By saying "varieties" she indicated exactly what you said. So stop tripp'n."
Moonsigns:
After reading my comments regarding symmetry, Kola wrote: "NOTE Moonsigns and her incessant failure to acknowledge that symmetry has several varieties."
So, tell your girl to stop "tripp'n" --she's the one who "failed" to understand the point I initially communicated regarding symmetry --and, OF COURSE, she was trying to make it another issue regarding colorism. Which, obviously, it's not about--AT ALL!
And you actually work for the Washington Post?! LMAO!
Prettybabygirl to Maze:
"You need to sit the fuck down. You ain't impressing nobody in here, male or female........ In fact, I bet most of the people in here, proably including Moonsigns, find you less interesting because of it."
Moonsigns:
Thank you, for once, you gotta it right!
And I seriously doubt Mzuri needs to be anyone but herself --and she isn't the first poster to dislike Kola, and she won't be the last. You just need a scapegoat.
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Abm
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Misty,
What are our points of reference and comparison? What Black features are we referring to? Is it eyes? Lips? Cheekbones?
Are you asserting that no wholly/authentically White person can have big eyes and full lips and cheekbones? That these features were never considered a part of the White beauty paradigm?
And if you’re saying they were not, when did this alleged transition of beauty standards from White to Off-White occur?
Look at pictures of some of the biggest female movie stars going as far back as the 1930’s. Many of your Golden Age Hollywood actresses had features that could be deemed somewhat African or Black.
Hell. Part of the lure of Marilyn Monroe was she had the body, style and movement that could make White AND Black men bay at a Full Moon.
You say even though the beauty standard has darken, the marital criteria White men are the same. Well then, what good or benefit is there to being considered attractive or beautiful if you’re going to be forsaken for women who supposedly are LESS beautiful? Hell. What sense does such even MAKE...OTHER than for darker women to be objectified, exploited, raped and then abandoned?
What women would truly want to possess such beauty?
I could continue to assert there has been no real change in the beauty standard. But to advance the discussion, I will momentarily assume the palette of feminine beauty appears to be broadening if you will concede the following:
A) It is TOO EARLY in our history to determine that this beauty broadening is PERMANENT.
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B) That darker Black women of African descent receive NO tangible benefit from this alleged broadening.
PS: And if White men put White women on a pedestal (which I’m not sure ever really happened to MOST White women) it’s NOT because White women are more docile or moral than other women. They do so because it is from White women that they can reproduce White children (especially sons). |
Kola_boof
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I look forward to the day, 5,000 years from now, when women's value/worth is not determined by how they LOOK.
I would love for my sons to seek women for WHO the woman is as a person and be IMMUNE to whatever she looks like.
I really do wish that "symmetry" alone was the standard for LOOKS---then we'd have a much broader and inclusive panorama of what is beautiful.
One thing I do know my sons will not be seduced by......are large breasts/breasts period, because to them, raised on the riverbanks, breasts are like elbows (and notice MOST African men cannot be seduced by breasts)......and my sons won't be seduced by very light or white skin, because to them, it goes against their father re-entering the world.
Yellowish to Yam to brown is fine.
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Abm
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BB123,
I agree.
There is by NO MEANS any shortage of the glorification of the traditionally WHITE female visages. I really wonder WHAT media some foks are actually looking at.
When I take my daughters to Borders, I loathe their entering the magazine section because of all the glossy White chicks emblazoned on their covers.
Sure some of them might appear to have fuller lips and eyes. But ain’t NOBODY confusing Charise Theron, Gwyneth Paltrow, Paris Hilton and Kate Moss with in ANY WAY being connected with Blackness. |
Abm
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Post Number: 5851
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Ladies,
Defining beauty is much more elusive than some alleged facial symmetry. Sometimes it’s when something that’s off-kilter if not ASYMETRICAL that bring out or accentuates one’s overall look.
And there are myriad women in this country who have FLAWLESSLY symmetrical faces that men hardly bat an eye at. Why? Because they’re “too black” and their hair is “too nappy”. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2825
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And why is everyone trying to claim Angelina Jolie for some "tanned" list.
Without her makeup, she's FISH-BELLY WHITE.
It's her dark eyes, dark hair and BLACK LIPS that make her "acceptable" to the whites-----because----she's the TYPE that TRUMPS the Golden Brown Mixed woman you all claim is the new beauty standard.
Angelina Jolie is the white people's ANSWER to women like Halle Berry and Jennifer Lopez.
Just as Sophia Loren was their answer to Lena Horne.
And they would still place NICOLE KIDMAN above Angelina Jolie.....anyday of the week.
Don't delude yourselves.
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Kola_boof
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And there are myriad women in this country who have FLAWLESSLY symmetrical faces that men hardly bat an eye at. Why? Because they’re “too black” and their hair is “too nappy”.
Which is what I tried to tell Cynique and Moonsigns.
Symmetry is meaningless in a colorist system.
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Abm
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Kola,
So then Jolie is the beauty 'antidote' to Berry?
Hmmmmm? I think that's a concept I've sorta vibed on but hadn't quite reach the conclusion you present here.
I can definitely SEE that, though. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 749
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Everyone thinks Angelina Jolie is mixed, when she's not. She's White. She looks great now because of the nose job, and the Hollywood glamour. But before she hit it big, she literally looked like a piece of shit on a platter. But now, she looks fantastic--girl made an awesome transformation. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2832
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Brownbeauty123,
You got that right. I saw those photos of Angelina in high school and college. MY GOD! (though, to me, she was still very cute, because I like ETHNIC looks and she looked very JEWISH).
But anyway...plastic surgery has helped both she AND HALLE.
Now which one has the more alluring personality?
I say ANGELINA. She's very awesome to me.
Now which one is prettier to me?
(1) Take away Angelina's LIPS and she's rather bland.
(2) Look at how Angelina's ALREADY "aging" and look at Halle holding up nicely.
I say that Halle is prettier, although I wish
she had some HEIGHT.
But then to my eyes---Lauryn Hill and
THIS woman are more beautiful than Angelina
or Halle.
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Abm
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Post Number: 5862
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BB123 & Kola,
I remember seeing a picture of Jolie when she was 12 - 14 years old. Dayam. She almost had sort of a ET in a wig-type thang going on there.
I agree, she done come UP.
And, to be honest, the truthful part of me would take Angelina over Halle without hardly looking back. |
Abm
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...But then, that has as much to do with how I feel about Halle as it does with Angelina (Well, that and I'd kinda like to know the kinds of THANGS Angelina did to steal Brad from Aniston...Sorry. I'm a guy. *shrugs*). |
Abm
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Post Number: 5864
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Kola,
I agree that in a FAIRER world the woman in your picture would be consider AT LEAST as beautiful as Jolie or Berry, if not more so.
She a bonified, absolute STUNNER!!! |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2836
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ABM, I don't blame you.
If I were a man I would take Angelina over Halle as well, because she's far more alluring, self-depricating and interesting than Halle is.
Halle Berry and Dorothy Dandridge, both, have always been two of the most BORING, sex-less movie stars there are---though I do actively support Halle and love her penchant for taking chances with film roles.
Brad Pitt (who once lived with Robin Givens) has always been a sucker for "exotic-type" women and after a few years with Aniston, he probably caved in and went back to what he really likes.
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Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 750
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ABM--if I were a dude or bisexual--I would go for Angelina as well.
I don't care how much hoopla the media makes over this woman. Halle Berry is so damn wooden to me, & she lacks sex appeal. There's nothing adventerous, mysterious, or remotely interesting about her at all.
Angelina Jolie on the otherhand seems more like a real person. And very ginuine. There's actually life behind her eyes, unlike Ms. Berry. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 751
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Damn Kola, I was just saying the same thing. Wow.
Halle is really just a normal woman, who miraculously got trapped in an exceptionally attractive body. She is very lucky she looks the way she does cause that is all she has going for herself. You would think somoene who is viewed as being so universally beautiful would lead a much more interesting life. |
Abm
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Post Number: 5870
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Kola,
Yeah. Halle's boring. There's really nothing sexy about her.
I remember thinking how she had ZERO chemistry with Pierce Brosnan in that last 007 movie. And if Pierce Brosnan can't make a chick look sexy, she really need to start looking for different work.
Dandridge I really know JACK about save the whole tragic lightskinned actress tale that's been ubiquitously told about her.
I wonder if Halle would (and Dorothy would have) benefit from getting herself some regular ol' brotha who wasn't trying to be prettier and more famous that she is.
I recall seeing a picture of Pitt and Givens hugged up. I guess it was around when she was on the "Head of the Class" and he was, well...secretly doing gay porn, I guess.
Now he's major movie star and she's firmly absconded in his jump-off archives. Ah. But such is life, in the world of Black & White. |
Abm
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Post Number: 5871
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BB123,
If you were bisexual, I'd "go for" you and Angelina...together.
Hehehehehe!!! |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2842
Registered: 02-2005
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LMAO!!!!!!!
ABM is so devilishly charming. And for women who love "truth"---he's refreshing.
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Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 752
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LOL
Angelina Jolie is a freak, and a confident one at that. Before she was super super famous, I remember reading articles about how she fucked tons of her female fans, and enjoyed every minute of it. It seems now that she's a bonafied A lister, her handlers seem to have downplayed her bisexuality and are trying to make her appear more "straight"--I guess its to appeal to a mainstream audience. |
Moonsigns
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Post Number: 1316
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Kola:
"I would love for my sons to seek women for WHO the woman is as a person and be IMMUNE to whatever she looks like."
Moonsigns:
That's wishful thinking, because a huge part of being interested in someone depends on how they appeal to our sense of sight. And though I'm a woman, I surely can't "look past" certain physical features --I am highly visual --as I was created to be! I must like what I see, especially when sex is involved. It's only human nature.
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Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 753
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Beyonce is another woman I don't think is sexy. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2843
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Moonsigns,
Couldn't "LOOKS" be #5 on the list instead of #1 when it comes to women????
That's what I'm saying.
Some of my BEST MEN were the ones who weren't that cute.
And to be honest---I've ALWAYS been a babbling fool for the Professor with glasses on type. Smart men, intellectual, knowing Math and slightly square could always get me faster than the FOOTBALL, basketball Jock star.
And yet the "smart guys" always avoided eye contact with me.
I do admit---I don't like overly nice guys.
I need a little domination from my man.
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Kola_boof
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I'd rather my son marry Hilary Swank than Beyonce is what I'm saying.
And I mean that.
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Abm
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BB123,
I think Beyonce's even less interesting than Berry. But I've gottah do Beyonce over Halle. Because she seems Blacker. And she's young enuff for me to better train in "the ways of the FORCE". *wink*
PS: To me, the alltime LEAST interesting Black female media star by a WIDE margin is Janet Jackson. I mean, that chick makes me long to watch paint dry in slow motion. |
Abm
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Kola,
Hillary Swank was working with some righteous booty in "Million Dollar Baby". I mean, really, her POW-POW seemed almost worthy of including in a Fitty Cent.
And she's got some fairly big eyes and lips, to boot.
Hey. Maybe Hillary's got some of that 'Black' in her that Misty seems so enamored with. |
Abm
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BB123,
For awhile, there was some Asian chick floating around bragging about how she's still bumpin' cQQChies with Jolie, Brad Pitt et. al.
But I haven't heard anything from her recently.
I guess Jolie's management either bought her off. Or had her killed. |
Moonsigns
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Kola,
"Looks" could be #1 instead of #5, but, again, I think it depends on the person. I, like you, really like intelligent men--professor types--but they still must have a nice face. They can't be too nerdy or "square" that they aren't smooth when the situation permits. I've encountered a (rare) few men in my lifetime that have that sweet balance of intellect, charm, sex appeal and a face that drives me mad --but if a man doesn't have a nice face/body that I can enjoy and appreciate during intimate moments, I wouldn't be interested in anything but a friendship.
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Misty
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ABM
Now that im done with my paper I can address your comments…but before I address them I want you to keep in mind ABM that im not just talking aobut typically black features….I’m talking aobut “ethnic features” period. Im’ refering to darker features that people of color posess such as Asians, native Americans, blacks, etc.
“What are our points of reference and comparison? What Black features are we referring to? Is it eyes? Lips? Cheekbones?”
I’m mainly refering to lips and tans and cheekbones are something I really hadn’t considered but yes high cheekbones aren’t something attributed to whites either , blacks and native Americans are far more likely to have high cheekbones than whites…and the majority of whites with these features are mixed with something themselves.
“Are you asserting that no wholly/authentically White person can have big eyes and full lips and cheekbones? That these features were never considered a part of the White beauty paradigm? “
ABM, here’s where I believe your thinking contradicts itself. You as well as a lot of others rant and rave about how black women with “white” features are being chosen of darker black women. If you’re going to TRY to deny that thick or full lips are a black feature then you may as well deny that blue eyes or green eyes are white features since there are a small minority of blacks who naturally posess these features. When I define black features and white features, I’m defining them according to the amount of people within a given race who posess these features. Lets be honest now, the majority of whites do not have thick lips (especially not whereas the majority of blacks do. This is especially true for “pure” (and when I say pure whites im referring to whites who have had little to no mixed race ancestry since they came out of Africa). If blue eyes and blonde hair can be labeled a white feature simply because you have more whites who posess this feature than you do blacks then why cant full lips and high cheekbones be labeled black features?
And please don’t even try to convince me that every black person with green eyes is mixed race. What about the fact that the first albinos were African and we all know albinos naturally have blue eyes and blonde hair without having to be mixed race, however they represent the minority of blacks therefore we don’t attempt to deny that blue eyes and blonde hair are white features. Plus, as I’ve spoken of a long time ago on this board, I was watching the PBS station one time and they showed where this secluded African tribe who had had little to no contact with outsiders was poping out babies with blue eyes, and green eyes and straight hair. Most of the babies were still dark though and they were having these babies by AFRICAN men. Also, according to biologists, Africans straight form Africa have the most genetic diversity without even having to have interaction with outsiders , meaning we can be unmixed and posess these traits.
The nmost genetic diversity can be found within ONE small African tribe. How do you think all of these different races came from US in the first place ABM? How were whites able to get blonde hair and blue eyes in the first place if their parents didn’t posess within their DNA the ability to produce children with these features? How in the world did all of these different nationalities come form us in the FIRST place?
“And if you’re saying they were not, when did this alleged transition of beauty standards from White to Off-White occur?”
As I’ve stated in my earlier post that you and a lot of others happened to look over, it happened with Josephine baker and white women in Europe wanting to tan when they saw her.
“Look at pictures of some of the biggest female movie stars going as far back as the 1930’s. Many of your Golden Age Hollywood actresses had features that could be deemed somewhat African or Black. “
Right, my POINT exactly, that actually adds to what I‘ve been saying all along…and this is just exactly what I stated in an earlier post…..I think you’re misudnerstanding and misreading what’s right there in bold face black in white in my posts.
“Hell. Part of the lure of Marilyn Monroe was she had the body, style and movement that could make White AND Black men bay at a Full Moon. “
Right as I’ve already pointed out…also rather or not these women have any black heritage is beyond the point…the point is their black features (those features that the majority of blacks have but few whites have) were still a part of what attracted men to them. And who knows, Monroe may just have a black, a Hispanic or asian or Italian (yes Italians are not full white) ancestor somewhere far back, but again this is all beside the point. Because, regardless of rather or not this is true the point is it was her “ethnic” features that was part of her allure. Although most whites would refuse to admit this, this is the truth. No she didn’t have a tan and yes she was pale, however she still possessed those “other” features that made her slightly exotic to the public eye.
You also have to realize ABM that even as far back as maralyn Monroe, white women were figuring out ways to make their lips look larger. In fact the redder the lip stick is the larger it makes a womans lips look. Red lipstick is outdated now because now women have likpstick that enhances the lips without it having to be red. They have new forms of lipstick that still enhance a womans lips making them appear larger yet the lipstick come sin all colors now. However back in monroes time they used red lipstick for this purpose.
“You say even though the beauty standard has darken, the marital criteria White men are the same. Well then, what good or benefit is there to being considered attractive or beautiful if you’re going to be forsaken for women who supposedly are LESS beautiful? Hell. What sense does such even MAKE...OTHER than for darker women to be objectified, exploited, raped and then abandoned? “
I was simply stating the OBVIOUS facts and not reading any benefit into it. Just because someone states facts doesn’t always mean they believe these facts will benefit them.
I could continue to assert there has been no real change in the beauty standard. But to advance the discussion, I will momentarily assume the palette of feminine beauty appears to be broadening if you will concede the following:
“A) It is TOO EARLY in our history to determine that this beauty broadening is PERMANENT.”
Nope its not, this has been happening for quite some time but I think most historians as well as cultural psychologists have refused to aknowledge it and this is why you have so many people who have brought into the idea that white women were always the beauty standard to white america….YES white try to make people believe they are the beauty standard but when push comes to shove they don’t truly believe it themselves. They siply having a way of making weakminded minorities believe they’re the shit. It’s minorities who TRULY believe in the white beauty standard to the fullest, not whites….How can a white person believe in their own beauty standard when they’re trying to tan, build their butts up in the gym and also trying to make their lips appear thicker as well as some even going so far as to get lip IMPLANTS?????
Also ABM, if this is a such a NEW thing then why was part of the allure of several past white beauty icons the fact that they had other "exotic" features...features thaty wseren't typically white (as YOU yourself even recognize because you stated it). So if this was happening back in maralyn monroes day, then why in the world would it be a new concept...this some of this was happening even BEFORE her day, but ti was made msot evident in HER particular time era.
Whites don’t have as much self esteem as they let on, thery’re simply smart enough to know how to play it off to MAKE themselves appear better than everyone else…they’ve always been good at this and in all honesty I in a way admire them for this. If they’re don’t feel they’re attractive they MAKE others believe it which in turn keeps them at the top. Its so funny that they had been laementing aobut big behinds and how big behinds are so unattractive yet when soemoen who looks close to them (Jennifer lopez) comes out with a big butt, their true feelings come out. Again, a prime example of them not believing in half the shit they talk. Even as far back as the Victorian days white women wore dresses to make their butts appear more round and full. The same for white men but it’s pretty obvious that white men tend to have lower self esteem than they let on.
Also, ABM keep in mind that I’m NOT saying that whites want to look PURE black or PURE native Indian or PURE asian but my point is….the MIXED or diverse, ethnic look has become the beauty standard for them whereas we still have a lot of people of color who are stuck back in the old ages believing white is the shit. As I posted articles to prove it, msot people find the MIXED race features more attractive than they do same race features….even IF most of the women in the media whoa re upheld as beautiful are white, I truly don’t think most whites believe the shit they try to promote. Again, both studies I posted found that when whites and Asians were asked to point out an attractive face, the majority of whites as well as the majority of Asians picked the mixed race white and asian face…..Also, as I stated, the other study found that the face believed to be the most beautiful was one that was racially ambiguous. As I stated the picture that they came up with to represent beauty was a woman halle berry’s color with slanted eyes and dark black hair and a round face and thick lips.
Also do you know who is considered the most beautiful woman in the world now…..it’s a medium brown skinned Indian woman about the same color as halle berry maybe darker, with thick lips and jet black hair.
I’ve said this before and I will say it again, it has always been whites who have complimented me on my full lips, I’ve never had a black person say my lips were beautiful. Instead blacks tease each other for having these features.
“B) That darker Black women of African descent receive NO tangible benefit from this alleged broadening. “
I agree
“PS: And if White men put White women on a pedestal (which I’m not sure ever really happened to MOST White women) it’s NOT because White women are more docile or moral than other women. They do so because it is from White women that they can reproduce White children (especially sons).”
I’m not saying white women ARE, but im talking about the perception that white men have of them.
so no to clear it up im not saying the beauty standard is a black woman...i'm saying its more of a racially ambiguous tan to brown woman.
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Kola_boof
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I’m mainly refering to lips and tans and cheekbones are something I really hadn’t considered but yes high cheekbones aren’t something attributed to whites either , blacks and native Americans are far more likely to have high cheekbones than whites…and the majority of whites with these features are mixed with something themselves.
MISTY...this is so untrue.
Swedes, Nordics, Finnish---these WHITE people are legendary for having high cheekbones, and unlike Italians, they are the WHITEST PUREST of Whites.
In fact, the "ARYAN" Blond White is almost certain to have a set of very high cheekbones.
How were whites able to get blonde hair and blue eyes in the first place if their parents didn’t posess within their DNA the ability to produce children with these features? How in the world did all of these different nationalities come form us in the FIRST place?
Misty, Educate yourself:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501728. html
Also do you know who is considered the most beautiful woman in the world now…..it’s a medium brown skinned Indian woman about the same color as halle berry maybe darker, with thick lips and jet black hair.
Rich, High-brow "GAY" White men made that announcement and they make these announcements all the time. Don't forget that it's usually a White Blonde woman who is named.
Back in 1983, the MEDIA announced that supermodel IMAN was the most beautiful woman in the world---and the announcement was meaningless for everyday black women.
MOST Americans have not even heard of the Indian woman that was annointed with this title (her name escapes me)---which is also meaningless.
Back in the 1950's--Elizabeth Taylor was named the most beautiful woman in the world----but MARILYN MONROE still reigned supreme as the world's sexual and beauty ICON.
Misty there has always been a "sexual" fascination with the MULATTO woman on the part of White Men and White People.
It's no more stronger today than it was 500 years ago, however.
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Misty
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koal i thik you miss the fact that monroe had some features that wore more "ethnic" than elizabeth taylors....she had a plumper more round ass while taylors ass was as flat as a pancake, a wider mouth, thicker lips and plus she never was a true natural blonde...her true hair color was dark brown |
Misty
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plus kola, i can jsut as easily show you an article that says whites came from the albionos of a certain african tribe, THEN migrated to europe. also, that article you sent me, i know all aobut that argument but it still doesnt explain why there are african women in secluded tribes producing white babies and babies wiht white features. So that finding isn't as final as alot of peole think.
but i do agree wiht you when you say this
"Misty there has always been a "sexual" fascination with the MULATTO woman on the part of White Men and White People.
It's no more stronger today than it was 500 years ago, however."
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Misty
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and about the cheeckbones, check out this article...it explains why certain groups ahve high cheeckbones...they're saying peole who come from warmer climates tend to ahve higher cheeckbones
"If you look at the typical northern Mongoloid, they have features conducive to existance in a cold and windy environment, like Mongolia or Siberia. However, a significant number of Africans also have high cheekbones, "slant" eyes and yellowish brown skins...The Kong-San of South and South Eastern Africa are examples. Some very tall, very dark and very Negritic Africans called Dinkas also have high cheekbones, slant eyes and so on. In fact anywhere there is extreme sunlight and extreme cold, these features developed (check my pictures of Africans http://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire http://community.webtv.net/barnubianempire "
http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/709
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Mellany
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how can a black woman give birth to a white baby with white features
check this out on:
http://www.realtalk.us/my_category.asp?main_cats_id=7&sub_cats_id=22 |
Misty
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mellany, your link isnt showing up...but could you pos tthe article on ehre?
peace |
Renata
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Kola, her name is Aishwarya Rai. She was in "Devdas", which was a spectacular movie...if you like Bollywood films. |
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