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Dagosauce
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 06-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 10:59 pm: | 
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I have been reading your posts and one theme rings clear. You bash todays African-American woman for trying "lighten" themselves with white features etc. The white woman is the percepted beauty standard. If this is the case, why are THEY going after darker tans, fuller lips and bigger hips/ass. NOT white womens features!? It seems this countries ideas are shifting to the brown beauty standard. So again I say...
You go Mulatto! |
Maze
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Username: Maze
Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 11:15 pm: |
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OK!!!!
You got that right.
I have like "one drop" of black blood IF that. So let the haters hate.
Hello board. My name is "Maze"...because I will AMAZE U.
I'm fine and you know this. Don't hate and please don't feed the African bootyscratcher.
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Semperfemme
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Username: Semperfemme
Post Number: 46
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:15 am: |
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Dago: Have you ever seen a Ganguro girl?
http://static.flickr.com/40/96831641_9a9ee4178f.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/botzbornsteinarticles/ganguro.jpg
Japanese chicks that want to be Black chicks. After Lil Kim bursted on the scene in the early 90's this look TOOK OFF. I guess they have new role models now like Beyonce, Keisha Cole, Mary J Blige, and others.
I'm glad I don't look that ridiculous though.
I'm blessed to have been born naturally black AND LOOK MA...I can keep my own hair color. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1464
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:20 am: |
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this is a foolish thread! |
Semperfemme
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 10:32 am: |
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Yukio- I took it as such, but I just wanted everyone to see the Ganguro girls. Come on now, tell me that ish is not funny. They look like a train wreck mixed with a crack head. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 269
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
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I think dago makes good points and dont think this thread is so stupid. The only thing i think that he should realize is that this "tan" beauty standard has been around for black people for ever....but he does make good points that i think you all either didnt address or looked over.....the beauty standard does seem to be shifting from white to brown quite a bit now and this is what i had always beleived and also the reason why i use to have no problem when i was younger with light skinned women being used to represent black women and being considered the most beautiful because i realized that they are borrowing features from all over the world to create the ideal. However, when i became a bit more "pro-black" (if that's what you want to call it)in my views, i started to see the delimma with this.
so his post does make sense however, i do think this light skin beauty standard for black women goes way deeper than multiculturalism and it comes from self hatred and white supremacy because this has been a beauty standard for us for 600 yuears now whereas whites are jsut starting to adopt it and that's where i kind of fall out wiht him at.
The only thing foolish aobut this thread is maz's comment about african bootyscratchers IMO. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 271
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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actually i read tons of studies that prove the beauty standard IS shifting that support this theory.
both articles proved that people all over the world found a racially ambugiious face most attractive. And when asked to create the ideal face, the face looked very similar to halle berry with slanted eyes and slightly darker skin. That was in one article
the other article found that when a group of whties and asians were asked to rate the best looking face and were given white face asian faces and faces that were partly white and partly asian to rate, they all chose the ones mixed wiht white and asian.
let me find the articles. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 272
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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here the articles are right here
Have you ever noticed that all those people considered by Hollywood and the media to be "most beautiful" look rather the same? Their faces are all very similar, they all seem to have interchangeable cute little button noses and chins; for instance, imagine superimposing the face of Halle Berry onto that of Tom Cruise; they would be a MUCH closer match, in terms of the relative proportions of the features, than if you were to superimpose either one of those faces onto that of some ugly bugger like baseball's Randy Johnson ( www.ardmoreite.com/images...ohnson.jpg ), or even the not unpresentable mug of yours truly.
I saw a British program about beauty on The Learning Channel which explored, among many other things, the studies of an American plastic surgeon named Stephen Marquardt. From the program and from Marquardt's stuff I extract the following for your consideration:
Human faces considered the most beautiful are those in which the proportions most closely equal the famous "Golden Ratio", that is, 1 to 1.61803. This is a ratio which appears again and again in the dimensions of all plants and animals on Earth. Look at the three sections of any of your own fingers; see how the section attached to the knuckle is the longest, the middle section is shorter, and the tip section is shortest? It so happens that if you take a ruler and measure them, the middle section will be approximately 1.618 times the length of the tip section, and the section adjoining the knuckle is 1.618 times the length of the middle section.
In a "perfect" human face, the apparent distance BETWEEN the eyes is exactly 1.618 times that of the apparent width of each individual eye; the height of the head is 1.618 times that of the width of the head; the distance between the mouth and the eyes is 1.618 times that between the mouth and the bottom of the chin; and so on. That such faces exist, though rarely, can easily be demonstrated through the taking of careful measurements, and it will surprise nobody that they are common in movies and the mass media (Berry, Cruise, George Clooney, etc.)
Of course other things contribute to the beauty of a face - youth, clearness of skin, absence of wrinkles, etc.; but the presence of the "Divine Proportion" (one of the ratio's many aliases) is an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM requirement. In other words, the more the proportions of ANY face diverge from 1:1.618, the uglier the face is, youth, clearness of skin and so on notwithstanding.
Marquardt has created a mathematical representation of a "Divinely Proportioned" human face which can be superimposed onto any appropriate photograph of a real face (that is, the subject must be squarely facing the camera at eye level, be a certain distance from the lens, etc.) He calls this "The Beauty Mask" and it is a ready-made and relatively easy-to-use tool for seeing how "Divine" any face is.
MARQUARDT ON RACE:
"The average or plain Caucasian face no more closely approximates the
Mask than the average or plain face from any other ethnic group. That
is, no ethnic group on average more closely approaches the mask than
any other and no ethnic group is more naturally attractive than any
other. Each group has individuals who closely match the mask, those
who deviate significantly from the mask and the majority who fair
somewhere in between.
To date we have identified what seem to be three basic ethnic
variations from the Mask:
1. The Caucasian variation: This variation is generally applicable to
Europeans, Middle Easterners, Mediterraneans, and Eastern Indians.
2. The Asian Variation: This variation is applicable to individuals of
Asian heritage and to some degree to American Indians.
3. The African Variation: This variation is applicable to those of
African heritage and to some degree to individuals of Melanesian,
Micronesian, Polynesian, and Australian Aborigine descent."
There has been discussion on these boards about "Fat and Fat Acceptance." Given that the ratio 1:1.618 is also found all over the body, not just the face, it seems to me (dolphbar) that great bodily divergence from the Divine Proportion, whether caused by obesity or anorexia, will be generally seen as less attractive.
Finally, I chose this forum for this post because I believe that many WM (besides myself) think black women are extra-beautiful; I can't speak for what BW think of course, but perhaps this will elicit some interesting comments.
And now, the links!
"The Beauty Mask" website: www.beautyanalysis.com/index2_mba.htm
If you dig around a bit in this site you will find explanations and interactive demonstrations of the Golden Ratio, how it relates to the human face and body, and many other fun and fascinating things. NOTE: On this site the Ratio is often referred to by its common Greek name, "PHI."
Home page of the original Learning Channel tv program, "The Human Face with John Cleese": tlc.discovery.com/converg...nface.html
For those interested in math and/or Afrocentrism, specifically, what is the history of the Golden Mean, and who first quantified it, the Egyptians or the Greeks:
www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Pers...i/phi.html -- see the section entitled, "A Bit of history.../Phi and the Egyptian Pyramids?"
http://p200.ezboard.com/fmindkandysinterracialdebateandrelationsfrm1.showMessage ?topicID=871.topic
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Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 273
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:20 am: |
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here's the article where they rated the mixed white and asian faces most attractive
Actor Keanu Reeves and supermodel Devon Aoki have more in common than fame, fortune and good looks—both are also part Asian. Known in popular culture by the Hawaiian term hapa (meaning "half"), people with mixed Asian and European origins have become synonymous with exotic glamour. In Hong Kong and Singapore, half-Asian models now crowd runways once dominated by leggy blondes. In the elite world of Asian fashion, half-Asian is the new white.
The trend may seem little more than an effect of 21st century globalization. As more individuals of mixed descent achieve fame (think Norah Jones and Tiger Woods), it seems natural that society would embrace the mixed look. Media exposure, however, doesn't fully explain the perception of hapa beauty.
Eurasians may possess genetic advantages that lead to greater health and, as a result, enhanced attractiveness. That's according to a study, the first to find that hapa faces are rated as more beautiful than European or Japanese faces. Researchers say the finding may extend to other racial mixes as well.
The experiment by Gillian Rhodes, a psychologist at the University of Western Australia, found that when Caucasian and Japanese volunteers looked at photos of Caucasian, Japanese and Eurasian faces, both groups rated the Eurasian faces as most attractive. These visages were created by first digitally blending a series of faces from each race into "composites" to create average, middle-of-the-road features typical of each race. Past studies show that "average" features are consistently rated as more attractive than exaggerated features—such as an unusually wide forehead or a small chin.
The finding that Japanese and white subjects preferred mixed-race faces was surprising because, earlier in the same study, most volunteers rated their own race as more beautiful than others. That is, white people typically prefer whites when choosing an ideal image of beauty; blacks prefer blacks; etc.
So why might hapas be considered particularly beautiful? Evolutionary psychologists say it's because Eurasians and other mixed race individuals appear healthier. Humans, like other animals, look for markers of good genetic health in their quest for a reproductive partner. Take facial symmetry, for example: Studies show that, whether they know it or not, people prefer individuals with evenly spaced eyes and other signs of congruence. In evolutionary terms, these markers are associated with healthy conditions in the womb. Infants exposed prenatally to toxins or pathogens may develop facial irregularities and asymmetry. The human brain may be wired to avoid these overt cues of lackluster health, says R. Elisabeth Cornwell, a psychologist at the University of Colorado. "The signs of beauty are the signs of health," she says. Rhodes' findings seem to fit this paradigm: Participants in her study said the Eurasian faces appeared healthier, too.
Similarly, evidence suggests that half-Asians' diverse genetic ancestry would enhance health. According to evolutionary psychologist Randy Thornhill, at the University of New Mexico, "If you hybridize two genetically diverse populations—another way of saying you cross races—then you create more genetic diversity in the offspring."
Genetic diversity, or heterozygosity, is associated with a lower incidence of some diseases. Genetic diseases, such as hemophilia and Tay-Sachs, occur when a person inherits two copies of a defective gene. This is more likely to happen in isolated populations with little genetic diversity.
In 2004, Craig Roberts, professor of biology at the University of Newcastle in the U.K., found the first direct link between diverse genes and facial attractiveness. He examined genes of the major histocompatability complex (MHC)—a set of genes crucial to a well-functioning immune system. Photos of people with the greatest MHC diversity were rated more attractive than individuals with less MHC diversity. Here, actual health—the ability to resist infection—was linked to perceptions of attractiveness. Roberts believes this preference helps humans pick healthy mates.
Which features radiate both health and beauty? One may be the appearance of the skin. In a second experiment, Roberts found that women rated close-up photos of heterozygous males' skin as healthier than close-ups of homozygous males' skin, and these judgments correlated with ratings of overall attractiveness.
Ostensibly, evidence that Caucasians and Asians prefer mixed race faces counters a major tenet of mating theory: that we are drawn to partners who resemble ourselves, such as those with similar hair and eye color.
So does this new research explain the popularity of Brazilians, who frequently have blended racial heritage, as fashion models? That remains to be seen. Says Rhodes: "If a preference for mixed-race faces occurs for many different mixes, we could be more confident that it is tapping into something fundamental about human perceptions of attractiveness." |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 274
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 11:22 am: |
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my only problem wiht all this stuff though is that everyone else gets to benefit from black womens features but black women....we were teased for our lips, asses and dark skin for centuries yet when white women like angenina jolie have our lips and latina's like j-lo have our ass they're praised for it. Maralyn monroe back in the 50s was praised for having a full butt as well however black women were teased and still are teased by many for the same thing.
it's ridiculous...everyone is first in line to benefit from black women BUT black women themselves. |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1466
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 02:06 pm: |
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hmmm...i am suspicious with such socalled standards when white people not brown people are in power, so that this brown standard, which too problematic, is something that is acceptable during certain times of the month, a fashion statement, but not a real challenge to power.
The point is, there should be no damn standard of beauty....all groups should have beautiful people w/o having to at the end of the day meeting up to a european standard....
so that if you are brown, you need a european nose and hair texture... if you are asian, you have those features most european; if you are African, you have features that most european among Africans....at the end of the day, what we really see beyong the color is european features and in this case....this thread is rubbish and foolish! |
Abm
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Post Number: 5810
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 02:16 pm: |
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Yukio,
Don't believe the hype.
Sure there are some 'tanner' chicks floating around in the media.
But all you have to do is look at all of your media. Look at your TV, movies, magazines, etc., and the White-is-Right, Black-bettah-get-Back! standard is in full-effect.
In fact. If you looked at some of the TV/movies from the 60's - 70's, in many instance you'll see MORE real Black foks THEN than you do now. |
Renata
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Post Number: 1130
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 02:30 pm: |
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Misty, those ganguro girls are hilarious! But notice they don't have "black" afro hair....or HECK, even BLACK COLORED hair. I wonder even more what message we're sending with how we wear OUR hair. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 494
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 03:22 pm: |
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Abm --
"In fact. If you looked at some of the TV/movies from the 60's - 70's, in many instance you'll see MORE real Black foks THEN than you do now."
And what are "real" Black folks? |
Fortified
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Username: Fortified
Post Number: 257
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 03:29 pm: |
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^^^^^OMG not again! |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1469
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 03:36 pm: |
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ABM: I agree with you, outside of the "REAL" back folk comment. While I am sure somewhere I have white blood, I do not know of any white folk in my family not even by marriage, and some people here, though they have never, ever seen me, have called me light skinned, less black, etc...LOL!
In fact, there is nothing about my features that hint towards anything considered european...though in Kola's soap opera I looked like an Indian cat...LOL! |
Misty
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Post Number: 289
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 03:51 pm: |
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"Misty, those ganguro girls are hilarious! But notice they don't have "black" afro hair....or HECK, even BLACK COLORED hair. I wonder even more what message we're sending with how we wear OUR hair."
LOL, yep, i've seen this before they're quite ridiculous, however when i saw this 2 years ago i thought they wwrere trying to make fun of blacks by dressing up in black face....but then i had also heard stories form black swho had been to japan talking aobut how some asians try to sport dreadlocks and try to crink their hair to make it slightly liek an afro. so i dont know whats going on wiht these singers...but they look straihgt busted. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 290
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 03:57 pm: |
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"so that if you are brown, you need a european nose and hair texture... if you are asian, you have those features most european; if you are African, you have features that most european among Africans....at the end of the day, what we really see beyong the color is european features and in this case....this thread is rubbish and foolish!"
but yukio, its not jsut women of color having to look liek the "other" white women are being forced to do the same. teh only difference is white women who look like the other are still at the top of the marriage pool, whereas women of color trail behind in terms of being "marriage' material. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 04:40 pm: |
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Misty...not sure of your point. could u please explain it again?
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 04:57 pm: |
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By "real" I mean foks who look more African. Come on now, people. Are we so racially insecure that we HAFTAH front like Diana Ross' kid Tracey Ellis Ross on "Girlfriends" looks as Black as Roxie Roker's 'Helen' on "The Jefferson's" which aired a generation prior? |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 05:23 pm: |
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Exactly ABM.
They're so TEDIOUS in their disrespect for "Black" people.
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Abm
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Post Number: 5820
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 05:28 pm: |
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Kola,
You haftah be a little patient.
Because, honestly - and I know this will sound kinda snide and flippant - I think there are A LOT of alleged African Africans coming along today who hardly know what the hell a real Black person LOOKS like. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2805
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 06:05 pm: |
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Of course you're right ABM.
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Nels
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Post Number: 497
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The insecurity of some folk's blackness is starting to show. |
Nels
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Post Number: 498
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Abm --
"I think there are A LOT of alleged African Africans coming along today who hardly know what the hell a real Black person LOOKS like."
Having lived with some Nigerians during my college day's, I would certainly say that some folks would beg to differ. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, August 09, 2006 - 08:20 pm: |
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well...to each its own. I concur Nels. It is a fallacy that all Africans see REAL black people as Dark skinned black people. Now, I am certainly not talkin about Lisa Bonet as such.
Also, again, lets not get caught up with the rape and enslavement of Africans either. This is true, but if you go to North Ghana and tell dem folk who are indeed light skinned, my complexion in fact, that they are not REAL Black people then they would laugh first....because they identify with their tribe not race...then they would laugh again...and look at you as a foolish American confusing being African with race and color...
I will stop here, for I have done this too many, many times and it bores me! |
Nels
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Post Number: 499
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:19 am: |
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Yukio --
Good assessment. |
Abm
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Yukio,
What PERCENTAGE of naturally, NON-MIXED lightskinned Sub-saharan African Black people are there? Can you product ANY on this subject OTHER than some off-handed anecdotal reference?
Really. I'm HONESTLY like to know if their are any material numbers/percentages of such people who look like, say, hip-hop singers Ashanti and Chris Brown. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2809
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He can't ABM,
Because this is why the mixed Ethiopians and Somalis call themselves "Ethnic Ethiopians" and "Ethnic Somalis".....while the majority populations of Ethiopia and Somalia are called "Black Ethiopians"/"Black Somalis".
Of course, you know which group is featured regularly on television to give the illusion that people like Yukio like to project in their desperation to continue the white man's coda: "You don't have to be black to be black."
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Kola_boof
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However, to be white---you MUST be white.
Which is how the whites retain world power.
You know, ABM---you love math.
I have been trying to get people to realize that if we AFFIRM the very blackest of our kind--then we automatically affirm ALL that is black or touched by black.
But if we can only affirm the image of the mulatto, then what we are reiterating is White Supremacy and the notion that all that is touched by Whiteness is good by association, and all that is wholly Black is defective.
Until we, as a people, choose the very blackest of us as our crown--we will always be on the bottom.
The whites have used this common sense to great domination and I greatly respect them for it. The whitest, blondest, bluest eye is their crown.
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Abm
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Kola,
I know he can't.
Hey. I'm sure there are myriad shades of native African Blackness. I'm sure there are reddish browns, milk chocolates, dark chocolates, coal and even blue Blacks.
I have (admittedly to a very limited degree) observed as much.
Still. I've YET to witness ANY evidence that there's ANY material number/percentage of NATIVE, NON-MIXED sub-saharan Black foks who would qualify as being lightskinned, at least by American/Western standards.
But I really respect Yukio's opinion, even (if not ESPECIALLY) when we disagree. So I'll always offer him the chance to enlighten me.
But this Nels character I have as much use for as I do a stray piece of gum that sticks to the bottom of one of my new shoes. |
Abm
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Post Number: 5837
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Kola,
Concur wholeheartedly with your theory of why why must elevate our darkest, most African Black women and I will champion it as best my rhetorical skills can facilitate.
Because I agree the glorification of lightskin diminishes ALL people who share some discernable measure of Blackness.
However, my greatest fear is that our arch-adversary will be the very people we seek to elevate. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2813
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 11:56 am: |
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However, my greatest fear is that our arch-adversary will be the very people we seek to elevate.
Well, ABM, it's no different than getting black women to embrace their own hair. It won't happen without plenty of kicking and screaming.
I was BANNED from the "Napturality" Hair board.
Niggers have to be RE-taught.
And how could they, the animals under the doormat, not be the most self-hating of us all?
As you saw with "Flesh and the Devil", my intention was to re-inform them of the truth about who they are to the world. And in that book, I presented the possibility that we ALL (of all shades) could benefit and none of us be hated or destroyed.
Someday, we will turn away from our master's image.
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Yukio
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ABM: You are correct. I can not. I haven't done the research. Your question is really the wrong question.
The point is not about numbers in the first place...it is about self-perception!
My point is simply that there are Africans who are, for example, Jill Scott's or Toni MOrrison's complexion, who would not consider themselves to be anything but African....not mixed and not even necessarily "black." That they see their tribe or ethnicity first not black.
As I said, I am NOT talkin about a lisa bonnet or any of her "biracial" lookalikes.
I don't even know what lightskinned means. I am no where near bonnet's, prince's, vinn diesel, etc...complexion but people still consider me "light skinned." I have never been considered to be biracial. I am the same complexion as Nigerian actor Chiwetel Ejiofor [brother that played in the Inside Man with D. Washington]. Both of his parents, by the way, are Nigerian.
Kola, as usual, misrepresents me. She lies! I aint said nothing about mulattoes and I, as I have always, agree that we need to affirm the "blackest of our kind."
In fact, my very first comment was that this thread was foolish! Then I explained why! So how and why would I "project in [my] desperation to continue the white man's coda: "You don't have to be black to be black." The is clearly the opposite of what I had stated!
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Kola_boof
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But YUKIO, Chiwetel Ejiofor is lightskinned because of the RAPE of African women in Nigeria---not because Africans just naturally come in that color. Ditto for those Africans who look like Jill Scott and Toni Morrison.
And you never acknowledge that, which is important.
And you're a liar yourself--because in all these years, I've never once seen you say/agree/represent that we need to affirm the "blackest of our kind"---meaning---hold them as the STANDARD of blackness, just as whites practice self-preservation by holding the WHITEST, BLONDEST, BLUEST EYED as the Standard for Whiteness.
The MANTRA of your posts has ALWAYS been, for years: "You don't have to be black to be black".
In two days, you will be claiming that there's no way to determine who is really BLACK----
---which to me is PLANTATION bullshit!
If you go to Africa, you will discover who is REALLY black and that some...are blacker/purer than others.
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Abm
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Kola: "I was BANNED from the "Napturality" Hair board."
That's an actual site? If so, why were you banded? Were you deemed to be too RADICAL?
Yeah. The hair thing is NUTS. Depending on how you look at it, it seems like a wholelottah something over nothing. And yet it's really at the crux and core of how ALL Black women are made to feel about themselves, Good and Bad. |
Abm
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Kola,
Funny. I don't really have a problem with an African people viewing me as not being totally Black. African American is at least as much a socialogical classification as it is a genealogical one.
But I will say this to all Black foks, be they Black, Brown, Red or off-White: We were ALL defeated by the European.
What the hell we gone do about THAT? |
Kola_boof
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ABM,
I have no problem with African people viewing me as not totally black, either. 
Many Sudanese call me "Half-breed", "Been-to Girl!"
It doesn't bother me at all, because I understand, and I know where my LOYALTY lies---which is with them. My White Arab father was GREATLY rejected by Dinka and Nuer, yet he never stopped trying to do their bidding and to produce BLACK SONS. I would tell you about his sons, but it's better if you read my autobiography to understand.
Anyway....I was kicked out of "Nappturality Hair Board" for telling the yellow and biracial women over there that they're not BLACK. Of course, the dark skinned black women understood exactly what I was saying, and though shy, were in agreement (which is what SCARED the "leaders")----and, of course, the Yellow/Biracial women want to hold ALL TITLES.
She wants to wax on about her "white and Indian" blood, but then be called "The Black woman" as well. Like the white woman---she doesn't even see that she is crowding the Black woman out of her own identity, thus advancing the denigration of black people.
And of course they just can't see how ANYBODY wouldn't be absolutely impressed with them being High Yellow or Mixed. I must be jealous--and need to get on back to Africa.
But more and more, I realize that the "Dark skinned blacks" NEED Africa. They need their real mother to come, and that's been the problem all along.
So they were outraged and kicked me out.
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Yukio
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And you never acknowledge that, which is important.
I have written on this very subject in the past Kola. What are you talkin about? In this very thread, I stated "Also, again, lets not get caught up with the rape and enslavement of Africans either[because thats not the point]. This is true, but if you go to North Ghana and tell dem folk who are indeed light skinned, my complexion in fact, that they are not REAL Black people then they would laugh first....because they identify with their tribe not race...then they would laugh again...and look at you as a foolish American confusing being African with race and color..."
Again, to restate my point: light skinned Africans, such as people the complexion of Chiwetel Ejiofor, would not consider themselves less African, less black than Africans that are darker.
I believe that we can affirm the darkest of Africans w/o saying that those that are lighter are NOT REAL black people! Clearly, the original Africans did not look like Chiwetel Ejiofor, but he is still a real black man, a real African[born in London], from real African parents.
Your are a liar. I have never said: "You don't have to be black to be black." You say this because I embrace people of African descent. Yes, if Halle Berry wants to call herself black then I will do too! When Pearl Cleage calls herself black I will too. My history includes continental African history, but also, and most intimately African American history. And in the U.S., light skinned people have caught hell, because here they niggers! They are black people.
You can say that the darkest caught the worst hell, and this I agree with. But the lightest, unless they could pass, were still considered black and treated as such!
Like ABM says, and this is really my mantra--"I will say this to all Black foks, be they Black, Brown, Red or off-White: We were ALL defeated by the European....What the hell we gone do about THAT?"
And we can't do shit about that if you keep trying to create a standard of blackness!
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Abm
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Kola,
A few years back, Destined was doing business with an African woman. They formed sort of a bond, so they started spending time socially. Well, during the course of the discussion, the African woman said something to the effect of African Americans being a 'lost' or 'homeless' people.
Destined was hurt by this. And became righetous indignant.
How can some chicks who's here trying to hustle business from African Americans dare say we're 'lost'?
In part because of that - but mostly OTHER - reason their dealings came asunder.
But I think Destined would now concur with her.
I think what'll have to happened between African Americans and Africans is some communal acknowledgement and acceptance of our having been COLLECTIVELY defeated by White people, and, thus, we have an utter need to find some common ground upon which we can ensure that such does not continue.
What do you think about the creating a single language that ALL Black foks would be obliged to learn? |
Kola_boof
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Your are a liar. I have never said: "You don't have to be black to be black." You say this because I embrace people of African descent. Yes, if Halle Berry wants to call herself black then I will do too! When Pearl Cleage calls herself black I will too. My history includes continental African history, but also, and most intimately African American history. And in the U.S., light skinned people have caught hell, because here they niggers! They are black people.
Then how I am a liar when you just said it????
If you are saying that Pearl Cleage (who looks WHITE) is "black"----then you are saying that you don't have to be black to be black.
That's EXACTLY what you're saying.
You just proved that I am not a liar.
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Abm
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Question: How do we unify Black foks throughout Africa and the rest of the world WITHOUT a conqueor? |
Kola_boof
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ABM----as I state emphatically in my autobiography.
We are ALLLL LOST.
Not just "Black Americans"----but ALL BLACKS, worldwide, including those in Africa----are LOST.
And I have had to fight Africans down on this, but it's true.
Even the AFRICAN...is lost.
Black Americans are "orphans"---because their MOTHER was raped and driven to insanity.
Both the mother and the child are LOST and neither can truly REDEEM itself without the other.
When I say this, however...both AAs and Africans reject it. That we need each other in order to defeat the SYSTEM of our shared master.
And until that system is crushed, neither of us can be healthy or prosper. FEW listen to me.
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Kola_boof
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But that's what I'm advocating, ABM.
Conquering via revolution.
Right now today---the T.V. is conquering us as bloodily as any musket. And with greater precision and higher kill rates.
Our children's minds are like JELL-O.
Look at the situation with "black dolls".
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Kola_boof
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ABM---nearly every "public figure" Black person also feeds the Conquering.
Diana Ross reaffirms the message of our inferiority when she sings in Central Park and brings a "White man" up on stage (out of a SEA of 1 million blacks) to kiss and sing to.
Cuba Gooding (and countless black men) arrive at the OSCARS with a white wife on their arm.
You know BET.
But each FRIDAY, when the newest movies are released......the WHITES are almost always paired with other whites.
A White Scientist/Mathmetician is shown and celebrated.
Blacks are worshipped for JUMPING...and throwing a rubber ball into a round hoop.
This is how the CONQUERING is done.
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Abm
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Kola,
What Black foks HERE don't get is we're a small part of a SHRINKING percentage of people. We've already been overtaken by Hispanics. And I predict within a generation or so, we'll likewise be overwhelmed by Chinese and Eastern Indians.
If we TRULY have any interest in surviving as a people and a culture, Africa is really the only place on EARTH that can help facilitate such. Why? Because there are A BILLION BLACK people there.
Moreover, African is the most resource replete continent on the planet.
Our looking down upon and rejecting Africa is not only foolish. It's hereditary and genealogical SUICIDE. |
Abm
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Kola,
So then you're basically saying there must be some fullscale, allout WAR against our treacherous Black media figures. |
Abm
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Kola,
If THAT is what you're saying, I concur.
Funny. Spike Lee asserted this in "Bamboozle"...and Black foks KILLED him for it. |
Kola_boof
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Kola,
So then you're basically saying there must be some fullscale, allout WAR against our treacherous Black media figures.
I did it in my autobiography. Took on everybody---Mary J. Blige, Diana Ross, 150 black men, including Spike Lee and MYSELF.
We HAVE to.
And BTW---"Bamboozled" was a great film, though it missed the mark because of Lee's "colorism" in how he casts black women.
He's not willing to go ALL THE WAY---but his film "School Daze" proved that he's quite aware of just how far we will eventually have to go.
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Abm
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Kola,
I agree that what's ironic about Spike is he don't quite realize or acknowledge that he's guilty of the same color bias that he laments in his films.
It's sort reminds me of the Matrix. Some of us know better than others that the worlds a facade. Yet they get caught up in being overwhelm by and succumbing to it.
I think 50 or so years from now, IF we ever begin to advance beyond the point we are now, Spike, for all his professional/personal flaws, is going to considered one the truly great artists of this epoch. |
Abm
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Kola,
It's funny to include your beloved Diana Ross amongst those you've taken to task. And we've argued about Michael Jackons for similar reasons.
WOW...I suppose we must kill the 'gods' of ours past, huh?
Question: Which of YOUR 'god' will you let live? |
Kola_boof
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A true GOD can rebound from shame.
I've been on my knees, ABM, with men's sperm running down my face and kissed their feet. And look at me---I'm not ashamed, I don't hate men and I'm stronger than ever.
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Kola_boof
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I DO Love Diana Ross---but like I wrote in the book---she's a "supreme sell-out".
I love Naomi Campbell, but I also stated in that same sentence with Ross, that Campbell is a "supreme sell-out".
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Kola_boof
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It's not about who they dated.
And Diana's case--after Berry Gordy, she became EXCLUSIVELY for the white man.
Truth is---from 1970 to 1995, she could have had any black man she wanted!
Just like most black male stars could have any Black goddess they want, and won't acknowledge a single one.
PEOPLE don't grasp the reason that Denzel Washington is so incredibly LOVED no matter what his flaws-----
It's because by marrying Pauletta, he AFFIRMED all of us...every last one of us...in one fell swoop.
I could give a shit if he's fucking Sanaa Lathan and Eva Mendes in secret.
He still DELIBERATELY used the "MEdia Machine" to promote in his films and in his marriage and role as "Father"----an image that we desperately need---that of US as a whole unit, normal and healthy.
His choosing Pauletta said, "I LOVE black children, I love Africa--I love my people!" And most important of all..."I love the black woman."
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Abm
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Kola,
I really get your point about Denzel.
And well said. |
Abm
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Kola,
I asked you which of your 'gods' you will allow to live to ponder how much of YOUR past, your heritage, even that of your immediate leniage and history will you allow to survive. |
Abm
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Kola,
And I ask that because as you ask others to evolve, how will and must you? |
Kola_boof
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Kola,
I asked you which of your 'gods' you will allow to live to ponder how much of YOUR past, your heritage, even that of your immediate leniage and history will you allow to survive.
This is a great question, but I don't understand what you're asking me.
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Abm
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Kola,
Basically. What amongst the core of yourself, your history, beliefs, even your physical, mental and spirtual being are you willing to let go of in order to go forward.
Or. Were you born today, how might you CHOOSE to be different? |
Kola_boof
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ABM,
I don't know how to answer your question. I think if I could let go of "America"--but I don't have the courage to do that.
I also think I have grown into a who I want to be (perhaps I'm set in my ways?).
As for evolving....I will evolve by dying and leaving behind children, ABM.
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Abm
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Kola,
Is there are part of you that believe you should let go of America? If so, why?
I love my daughters to death. But I admit there's a part me that laments not being able to pass some manly standard and banner to the next generation.
There are things of men that women can never really feel and know. You know? |
Kola_boof
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ABM, why not adopt a son?
But I warn you---if you do---you better make sure he's younger than 3. It's very important to start with a fresh baby, otherwise.....
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I love my sons to death...but I wish I had a daughter, too! LOL
Yes, a part of me wants to let go of America, because it's the ENEMY. America is the creator of all that is against my race and my people. It's very painful.
But then...I am Americanized now. I LOVE America.
I have freedom of speech, freedom of marriage/sex, freedom to vote and write my books, be myself.
I love American people---because I am one.
I am TRULY..."Black American" in a sense. Though I do everything to make sure my sons don't become LIKE "black Americans".
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Abm
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Kola,
I think Destined and I will adopt a son. Though we're getting older. And I don't want to be that 60-something father at his kids high school graduation.
Also, there are some issues within myself - my blood - that I feel a son would help reconcile, after I'm gone.
I think you know what I mean.
I most DEFINITELY understand and appreciate your ambivalence about America. It's like it would be the very worst place on earth, were it not for EVERY PLACE ELSE. |
Kola_boof
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HaHa!!!!! Exactly.
And I'm SOOOO GLAD you're going to adopt a son.
But I'm telling you---if you get one too old, then there will be VERY LITTLE you can impart, no matter how much you BOND.
A child's "persona" is SET by age 6.
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Kola_boof
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And ABM---60 is not old anymore. Especially for a man.
You should reconsider this and get a son that you can MOLD.
I would want him to be a "chip off the old block".
You're a GREAT MAN. Of which there should have been more. I'm not just saying that.
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Renata
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Kola:
"I must be jealous--and need to get on back to Africa."
This caught my attention more than anything. It's ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS to me that people will bitch and moan about how black they are....and then use the name "Africa/African" AS AN INSULT. How stupid is that? If they REALLY thought of themselves as black as they SAY they are, they would be thinking of visiting Africa themselves. |
Abm
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Kola,
Destined wants the kid to be a baby as well.
I understand and mostly agree with that.
But Black boys are the least likely to be adopted. Especially the older ones. So part of me thinks I should give an older kids a better break than his birth parents left him with. |
Yukio
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If you are saying that Pearl Cleage (who looks WHITE) is "black"----then you are saying that you don't have to be black to be black.
This s unfortunate! And it shows your disregard [or ignorance] for people who call themselves African Americans and African American history. It also shows your arrogance in the face of the real past of violence and exploitation that black people who are not the darkest of our kind but still black in this country endured at the hands of white supremacy.
Kola, in this country race and being black, whether you agree with the one-drop rule or not, was not about color. It was about power: coercion and economic exploitation based on lies, subterfuge, and hypocracy. Regardless of what you think being black is and is not, in the US white folk did not and do not follow such ideas.
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Kola_boof
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And what forms of WHITE SUPREMACY have women who look like Pearl Cleage dealt out---
Why don't you EVER mention or acknowledge THAT SHIT!
You're always taking up for some WHITE-look'n bitch but you never ever mention the suffering and invisibility of the TRUE BLack ones.
FUCK YOU, YUKIO...and all the other SNOT-bastard motherfuckers like you!
And NO...what I disregard is your slave masters ONE DROP RULE, not the experience of AAs.
I know all about the HISTORY of this country, and as usual, you ignore Black People's HAND in their own downfall.
These Yellow/White people in AMERICA are yellow ON PURPOSE---it's not by circumstance (slavery ended 135 years ago, the majority blue blacks were WIPED OUT afterwards); but by the design of self-hating black folks.
So don't hand me that bullshit.
And the only way for BLACKS to survive is going to be to purge those that are against them.
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Kola, please know that Pearl Cleage is the daughter of Rev. Albert Cleage, pastor of the renowned Shrine of the Black Madonna in Detroit, Michigan.
Albert Cleage was among the first black clergyman to glorify the visage and image of the Black Madonna and Christ in his church back in the 60's, when such things were considered anathema and tantamount to blasphemy. The Shrine of the Black Madonna was the center of black nationalist activity as well as the site of absolutely stunning painting of the Black Madonna and Christ, painted by renowned black artist Glanton Dowdell.
Rev. Albert Cleage's ties and connections to the nationalist community (including the Republic of New Africa) are far-reaching. Anyone familiar with the history of black radical politics in Detroit--not to mention the reclamation of the Black Christ and the black theology movement---is familiar with the Cleage family.
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Savant
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Brothas like Albert Cleage, Richard and Milton Henry, General Baker, John Watson, Glanton Dowdell and others too numerous to mention were the locus of revolutionary activity in Detroit, with ties to every single black radical organization that took root in Detroit including the Panthers, the League of Revolutionary Black Workers, the Republic of New Africa, etc. These legendary activists---many who paid dearly for their political insurgence--had ties to radical black organizations nationwide and worldwide.
Pearl Cleage's "lineage" is beyond reproach, as the daughter of an unwavering and, I dare say, legendary black nationalist theologian/activist. |
Kola_boof
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I know the WHOLE story of Pearl Cleage, Savant.
And while I've loved and supported her writing, and even mentioned her as one of my "mothers" in my short story collection-----I still KNOW that her looking White has allowed her to benefit from COLORISM (there's no way that it couldn't)----and I truly believe that her "NATIONALIST" father was the typical COLORSTRUCK Black American man who talked LOUD AND BLACK....but married so as to make sure his kids would come out looking more like the "acceptable cats" than like Black men.
How else would such a Nationalist have White-looking children???
And I truly believe that.
It's so DISGUSTING how you all try to pretend it's an ACCIDENT that these people look white.
It's NOT.
Have you seen August Wilson's child? But he supposedly loved black people so damned much.
How about this Octoroon bitch in California, Betye Saar with the "African" artworks----she and her entire family look WHITE.
If you LOVE black people, then why are your fucking children WHITE as SNOW!?
Please don't preach to me about Albert Cleage or the great Senegalese nationalist, Leopold Senghor for that matter.
You're fulla fucking shit!!!!
BRING ME SOME GODDAMNED BLACK
BABIES AND STOP TALKING SHIT!!
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Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2863
Registered: 02-2005
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WE NEED A NEW
FUCKING REVOLUTION
FOR "BLACK PEOPLE"
ONE THAT IS RUN BY
AND COMMANDEERED BY
"BLACK PEOPLE"
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Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2864
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 11:32 pm: |
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WE NEED A NEW
SON.
NOT SOME DAMNED
"NIGGERSTOCK" WHO
HATES HIS OWN SHADOW
AND TALKS CASH SHIT, BUT
MARRIES WHITE WOMEN AND
MAKES WHITE ASS CHILDREN
WHILE CLAIMING HE'S SO BLACK
AND PROUD.
I'M SO SICK OF THESE
MOTHERFUCKERS.
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Schakspir
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 466
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 01:41 am: |
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Kola:
WE NEED A NEW
FUCKING REVOLUTION
FOR "BLACK PEOPLE"
ONE THAT IS RUN BY
AND COMMANDEERED BY
"BLACK PEOPLE"
Schakspir: YEAH!! LET'S HAVE DAFFY DUCK AS OUR NEW LEADER!! |
Schakspir
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 467
Registered: 12-2005
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"And what forms of WHITE SUPREMACY have women who look like Pearl Cleage dealt out---
Why don't you EVER mention or acknowledge THAT SHIT!
You're always taking up for some WHITE-look'n bitch but you never ever mention the suffering and invisibility of the TRUE BLack ones.
FUCK YOU, YUKIO...and all the other SNOT-bastard motherfuckers like you!
And NO...what I disregard is your slave masters ONE DROP RULE, not the experience of AAs.
I know all about the HISTORY of this country, and as usual, you ignore Black People's HAND in their own downfall.
These Yellow/White people in AMERICA are yellow ON PURPOSE---it's not by circumstance (slavery ended 135 years ago, the majority blue blacks were WIPED OUT afterwards); but by the design of self-hating black folks.
So don't hand me that bullshit.
And the only way for BLACKS to survive is going to be to purge those that are against them.
Miss Towelhead Twat of 2006 won't can the shit, will she?
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Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 509
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 02:50 am: |
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Schakspir --
Do you (really) know how you sound? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5903
Registered: 04-2004
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Kola,
One would logically think that someone who were radically and rabidly in support of Black people would choose to reproduce BLACK-LOOKING people.
That's, ironically, largely WHY we always differ about Quincy Jones. |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2874
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 02:04 pm: |
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I've said it before, ABM----you're right about Quincy Jones.
I don't deny it at all.
And BTW, though no one would believe it, I am a HUGE FAN of Pearl Cleage. I love her as a person and I have all her books. She's one of my favorites.
I simply and violently disagree with Savant and the Japanese-named Yukio on this issue, and see it as a major reason that blacks cannot rise----the fact that most of their leaders/top people are only top because of WHITENESS and continue to produce more Whiteness.
Where I once loved August Wilson's plays, I now feel insulted by them....because he was basically "visiting his black side like a grave". But living white.
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Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2875
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 02:09 pm: |
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Huey Newton was a "black nationalist" who already LOOKED White...and married a white woman.
He had "wild sex" and "violently beat" a long list of dark skinned and yellow Black Panther women, however.
So what does that tell you about "nationalists"?
Eldridge Cleaver wrote articles about how ugly black women are---how superior white women are----and he married the White-looking Kathleen Cleaver, but then left her for a white woman.
What's the difference between him and his slave master?
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5923
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 03:32 pm: |
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Kola,
You're right about the Panthers. I remember after reading Eldridge Cleaver's "Soul On Ice" thinking how GLAD I was that a crazy mofo like that didn't get anywhere NEAR actually leading any material numbers/factions of African American.
That's nikka was just flatout psychotic!
PS: Nice way to deflect attention from your nikka Quincy. I ain't mad about you doing it, 'doe'. Hahahahaha!!! |
Schakspir
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 478
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 12:05 am: |
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Abm: That's nikka was just flatout psychotic!
Schakspir: Yep. He made both Tupac and Biggie (and even 50 cent) seem positively sane. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 512
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 03:35 am: |
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Kola --
"the fact that most of their leaders/top people are only top because of WHITENESS and continue to produce more Whiteness."
You're fighting a loosing battle, period. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4908
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 03:39 pm: |
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Back in the day, there were rumors floating around that Huey Newton was gay and that a lot of his wanton erratic behavior could be attributed to this and, oddly enough, nothing in his later life ever reversed these rumors. Eldridge Cleaver was a shock-jock. "Soul on Ice" was really an ego trip, and its immense popularity reinforced Cleaver's macho black man image, a reputation that in the ensuing years gradually dissipated, leaving in its place a paper tiger, declawed by age and neutralized by a fleeting notoriety. He died a rueful, impotent figure, whose death was relegated to newspaper blurbs appearing in the back pages of the obituary section. His fascinating book, nonetheless, was a milestone in black literature because it tread into uncharted territory. |
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