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Dahomeyahosi
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Post Number: 49
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As an African it is always startling to find that black Americans feel a certain closeness to arabs in spite of their historical and current racism. Here is an article that gives us just a hint of how they really feel:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51298
Yes as Kola says in her book they do casually refer to black people as monkeys. |
Fortified
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Post Number: 248
Registered: 04-2006
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Many of us are aware of Arabs and their hatred of African people. I don't understand how Africans are the most hated, raped and pillaged people on earth. Is it jealousy?
Side note: However, I don't feel sorry for Condi Rice for the ridicule she is receiving. She is playing for the wrong team. Stay out of Is-it-real! |
Schakspir
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Post Number: 411
Registered: 12-2005
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World Net Daily is a far-right website that also loathes blacks, and makes a big to-do about black crime. Dont't trust that crap.
BTW, which black Americans feel close to Arabs? I don't know of any. |
Robynmarie
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Post Number: 90
Registered: 04-2006
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Black Muslims do feel a kinship with Arab Muslims.
I remember Louis Farakhan was buddy-buddy with Mommar Khadafi of Libya, for a minute.
To hear tell, Arabs hate everyone, blacks, jews, Americans, Europeans, Asians. :rolleyes:
Side note: I have a very good Arab friend who lives in Saudi Arabia. While she herself looks white, many of her family members are black. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2683
Registered: 02-2005
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Louis Farakhan is also good friends with Sudan's President Bashir---the Black Arab who is carrying out a genocide against Black Africans in Sudan.
Farrahkhan has reported to Black Americans that there is "no slavery" in Sudan.
Of course, with his "color"---he is not considered "Black" when comes to Sudan. He is a MUSLIM, not a black man.
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Fortified
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Post Number: 254
Registered: 04-2006
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He is a Trinidadian calypso singer named Eugene Walcott. He should have stuck to that! LMAO! |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2684
Registered: 02-2005
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Arabs are very nationalist, which is GOOD.
So are Japanese and Ethiopians.
Ethiopians don't like ANYONE...who isn't Ethiopian.
The difference is---the Arabs have a "religion" (Islam) that causes them to be very CONQUEST-hungry and to do incredible evil in the name of "Allah"--claiming it's what Allah wants.
You have no idea how Black Africans are treated by Arab societies---and now they are spreading in Tanzania, Sudan, Somalia, Nigeria.
Isn't it bad enough that we were their slaves for 1,000 years?
They FINANCE the Muslims in AMERICA to support their evil bullshit--claiming to be our "black brothers".
But the ARAB is our "bastard child" who hates us. Because our blood tinges his brow and keeps him from the whiteness he covets.
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Dahomeyahosi
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Post Number: 50
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Schakspir,
I've honestly never been to the World News site before yesterday but I don't agree with your assertion. Any source can produce trustworthy news. What you're saying is equivalent to stating that no news is trustworthy from them. If they reported that W is the president of the U.S. am I not to believe them? What they are reporting is consistent with everything I personally know to be true. In fact the article is much less blatant than typical Arab racism.
As far as black Americans feeling a kinship with arabs I can only speak of those black Americans I've met who feel this way. They were vocally against the Iraq war because of the idea of American imperialism being used to invade a country of "fellow oppressed brown people." Note I use their words here, certainly not my own. I also notice that a lot of black Americans, perhaps without knowing it, equate Arabic cultures and African cultures together. For example they will take on names such as Aaliyah, Aisha, Malik, etc. as African names. I am not making this up, as those holding these names have told me this. Also it was mildly amusing that Jesse Jackson and other blacks championed their cases of "racial profiling" after 9/11. Arabs would never do the same for blacks....I've yet to meet a black American who sees Arabs in the same light as they see other whites.
I didn't mean to imply that all black Americans feel kinship with Arabs. That is not true.
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Dahomeyahosi
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Post Number: 51
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Fortified,
You asked why people almost universally view blacks as a bane. It's just my opinion but I think that the world over has a lack of respect for blacks because we have an overwhelming lack of respect for ourselves. Self-hate mars black communities the world over. That old saying about getting no love until you love yourself is true. If we worship at the alter of others then we are bowing at their feet, and they have no choice but to look down on us if they look at all. |
Inyaniso
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Registered: 08-2006
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Dahomeyahosi, I concur completely with what you saying, especially as it relates to self respect. But we do not wholly have a lack of respect for ourselves and who we are. I know that my entire family and most conscious Africans have extreme love and respect for who we are ethnically and culturally. But as to why other people feel they way they do about black people, continental or in the diaspora, that should not be something we waste any time over. They can feel any way they like, we have to concentrate on healing and empowering our selves.
In Canada many black Canadians do think that Arab culture is Black African culture, which is something I always try to educate my people on.
By the way I am new here, hello to all of you! |
Tonya
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Post Number: 213
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 04:11 pm: |
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HELLO INYANISO!! WELCOME ABOARD!! 
Dahomeyahosi,
((("You asked why people almost universally view blacks as a bane. It's just my opinion but I think that the world over has a lack of respect for blacks because we have an overwhelming lack of respect for ourselves. Self-hate mars black communities the world over. That old saying about getting no love until you love yourself is true. If we worship at the alter of others then we are bowing at their feet, and they have no choice but to look down on us if they look at all.")))
COULDN'T AGREE MORE! |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2693
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Dahomeyahosi,
TELL IT!
Because you are telling NOTHING but the truth.
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Kola_boof
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Hello Inyaniso.
Dahomeyahosi is from Benin and I am Half-Arab (but against the Arabs) from Sudan.
We have a Black American poster, Anunaki300 living in Kenya.
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Dahomeyahosi
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Hello Inyaniso and welcome,
Thanks is to ancestors that some of us escaped the vacuum of self-hate relatively unscathed. Yes there are some of us and I claim to be one as well. Honestly I can't imagine anyone would actually admit to being a member of the group of self-haters but we both know they exist in large numbers! But as far as things that I feel characterize groups as loving themselves and their ancestors I don't think we possess them en masse. I don't think any truthful person could assert that we do.
For example by and large beauty ideals look like other people. Our African governments ape European models (I have yet to get over the African judges wearing 18th century style British wigs) and our leaders repeatedly try to bolster and apply foreign concepts. We are replacing our own spirituality with those of others. We are foresaking our own languages while learning those of others. Our values are shifting from community to individual. I am chiefly referring to continental Africans because outside of Africa little has survived, for obvious reasons.
Of course you are right that it is more important to empower ourselves than to worry about how others look at us. But to me that empowerment means respecting what it truly means to be who are are and reflecting that on a daily basis. This, in turn, will combat the racist behaviors that we are confronted with. |
Schakspir
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Post Number: 412
Registered: 12-2005
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Dahomeyasi: Schakspir,
I've honestly never been to the World News site before yesterday but I don't agree with your assertion. Any source can produce trustworthy news. What you're saying is equivalent to stating that no news is trustworthy from them. If they reported that W is the president of the U.S. am I not to believe them? What they are reporting is consistent with everything I personally know to be true. In fact the article is much less blatant than typical Arab racism.
Schakspir: World Net Daily frequently hosts Michael Savage, a Jew whose racism (and anti-Semitism) surprasses that of most Arab slave-dealing bigots. That website is Ann Coulter's stomping ground. They can't be relied upon to present credible information. |
Inyaniso
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Thanks for the welcome, Tonya, Kola and Dahomeyahosi.
Kola I am from South Africa, but am currently going to school and working in Canada.
Dahomeyahosi, I hear you about the British wigs in African courts and that is just the beginning. South African politics drives me so crazy sometimes as they are so European in thought and practice. Although we are now supposedly 'free' all the same institutions exist. And although we Africans are the vast majority, white culture and thought reign supreme in practice. It is very frustrating but I have sympathy for those in government as they have to operate within a global system of white supremacy or face severe punishment. |
Kola_boof
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As African women, Inyaniso, the "motherseed", we must FIGHT the POWER....and because so much of that power comes from America/Canada....we must fight for the Black Americans and Black Canadians (Islanders of Trini, Jamaica, etc.)---much of the poison invading Africa comes from here.
I am a novelist who has faced the very severest punishment for the books I write----but there is NO EXCUSE to demur to White Supremacy or to believe that it will just somehow...go away.
As Audre Lorde left to us, "Our silence will not save us."
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Schakspir
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Dahomeyahosi
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Schakspir,
Well thanks for letting me know about the political orientation of that site. I may visit again. I like Ann Coulter because she's so out of touch with her insanity. Ok maybe like is not the right word....truth is she makes me laugh so hard sometimes my stomach hurts. I'm not a liberal by any measure but when I realize she's on the best-sellers list it confirms so many things about this country I never wanted to have to face. |
Dahomeyahosi
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Inyaniso,
What do you mean when you say face severe punishment? Do you mean in terms of monetary aid ? Or do you mean the punishment that comes in the form of foreign-backed "opposition" parties, militias, and coups?
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Schakspir
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Dahomeyahosi, right. The enemy of my enemy isn't necessarily my friend. |
Inyaniso
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Hi Dahomeyahosi,
I am referring to the foreign-backed opposition parties, the encouraging of civil unrest and the economic sanctions that can be put in place when a 'Southern' government won't play according to the demands of the 'West'. For example South Africa has adopted an extremely neo-con economic system. This is in line with the recommendations of European economist advisors who are sent to South Africa en masse from Sweden, the UK, USA etc. I can image what would happen if the South African governmemt said, "No we are not going privatize every aspect of our society". Because when our resources are privatized they are bought by Germany, Sweden, Canada, USA, etc. |
Kola_boof
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The real truth, Inyaniso, is that the WEST cannot maintain its wealth and comfort....unless it is involved in some way with Africa and its resources.
We have the upper hand, but we don't use it----because of "colonialism" we are too afraid, and because we have not properly raised our children, bound our communities, and in many cases have become "niggerized" (desire to be European)...we are weak to foreign-backed madness.
But still, we have the upper hand.
Now if African leaders would realize that and do exactly what you said----refuse to do things the White People's way---then the Whites would not like it, but they would find themselves forced to receive their "goods" by however we doled them.
I agree with Spike Lee's comment that it's bullshit when Blacks claim..."I'm just playing whitey's game until I can get up by my bootstraps."
Spike Lee came into the movie industry with the message for America--"fuck you"---stuck to it, financed it himself, became a big hit with blacks and was able to do and say what HE wanted to, AND was bankrolled by the Hollywood establishment, even though they thoroughly loathed him and the messages of his films.
It's the same thing. Many in Africa have the DELUSION that you must play by the European rules.
It's not true.
In my own work, I have told the establishment "fuck you"---I am topless on the back of my book jackets, I speak LOUDLY and without APOLOGY for my experiences and for what I perceive as the "psychic pain and wonder" of Black Women.
Africans told me "you can't do that"---but I have now been featured in 22 African magazines and newspaper in the last year and my books are finally selling in South Africa, Nigeria and Kenya.
The U.S. Publishing Industry detests it (my image), but I am SELLING and have gained a very strong following. I have now written for two major networks--NBC and ABC. Lectured at Universities---even though I have absolutely no education whatsoever. AND...I have never once stopped being Kola Boof---killer black evil bitch from Sudan and mother of all notions.
I'm just saying that the time has come....we must change our minds.
Africa doesn't have to accept the place of dishonor, and it really does STEM...all of it...from our people's self-doubt and self-loathing. We have been CRIPPLED mentally and spiritually by the Slave invasions and Colonial centuries of the Whites and Arabs.
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Kola_boof
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If you have time, there was also recently a wonderfully comprehensive lecture given in Lagos, Nigeria by the great writer/scholar Chinweizu.
I live by his edict, sisters:
http://proofmagazine.i8.com/whats_new.html
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Tonya
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I thought this was an interesting article, though I'm not sure if any of it is what you all are talking about---please don't shoot me if I'm off base, lol:
News
GLOBAL AFRICANA
How colonialism shaped post-Uhuru Nigerian and South African histories
By Ali Mazrui
Half a century separated formal independence of South Africa in 1910 and the formal independence of Nigeria in 1960. These two countries have since become the giants of Africa. Nigeria excels in human resources; it has the largest population of any country in Africa. South Africa excels in mineral and material resources. What other factors distinguish the most influential African countries?
In the 20th century, Africa had two types of European colonies: those with large numbers of white settlers and evolved a racial hierarchy, and those African that were overwhelmingly indigenous. Their white populations consisted mainly of colonial administrators and temporary residents.
The most important white-settler model was, of course, South Africa. On the eve of World War II, South Africa had indeed become the largest concentration of white people on the African continent.
Extensive white settlement in an African country was good news for the economic infrastructure, but bad political news for race relations. South Africa evolved into the most industrialised nation in Africa. But it also became the worst case of racism and apartheid.
In contrast, the most important African country without a large European population was Nigeria. The absence of European enterprise and developmental skills deprived Nigeria of a more modern economic base and infrastructure. But it also spared Nigeria the agony of racism and subsequent racial conflict.
The political formulation that most shaped Nigeria was Lord Lugard’s policy of Indirect Rule, seeking to decentralise power to local chiefs and "native authorities".
The political policy that moulded South Africa most fundamentally was apartheid, seeking to segregate the races socially and territorially. What did indirect rule have in common with apartheid?
Theoretically, both policies were based on a belief that Africans could best be ruled through their indigenous institutions. In Nigeria indirect rule resulted in preserving the "native" political institutions of northern Nigeria. In South Africa, the policy resulted in creating Bantustans with separate "native" authorities.
Both indirect rule and apartheid were based on a profound distrust of the potential Westernisation of Africa. The doctrines aspired to protect the cultural authenticity of Africa. But on this issue, Lord Lugard was more sincere than South Africa’s Veorwoed. Lugard’s indirect rule was genuinely based on the British cultural tradition of political gradualism. The apartheid ideology also valued cultural continuity and regarded Westernisation as a potentially disruptive force.
Lord Lugard never used the term ‘separate development’ in relation to Nigeria, but his policies did de facto result in Northern Nigeria’s development in a different way from Southern.
On the other hand, Veorwoed and his successors never used the term indirect rule relative to white control, or the relationship between the Central Government in Pretoria and the Bantustans. But in reality that relationship was indeed a form of indirect rule.
In the final analysis, Lord Lugard’s motives differed from those of the architects of apartheid.
The designers of apartheid started from a point of disrespect for Black people while Lord Lugard respected the kings and princes of Nigeria within the confines of an imperial order. The architects of apartheid started with segregation at the micro-level, micro-apartheid. But the ideology ventured into macro-apartheid by attempting territorial creation of racial homelands.
In contrast, Lord Lugard believed in amalgamation instead of territorial fragmentation. It was he who united Southern Nigeria with Northern in 1914, thereby creating the most populous country in Africa. Lugard believed in relative cultural autonomy for the different ethnic groups of Nigeria rather than territorial compartmentalisation.
South Africa has had two stages of independence: independence for whites in 1910 and independence for all South Africans in 1994. Some of the worst conflicts in South Africa occurred before the attainment of full independence. Such conflicts ranged from the Anglo-Boer War of 1899-1902 to the anti-apartheid struggle from the 1960s.
If South Africa’s worst conflicts were before attainment of full independence, Nigeria’s worst conflicts were after the end of colonial rule. This has included the bitter Nigerian Civil War of 1967-1970, the anti-Igbo pogrom of 1966 that triggered the civil war, and the communal and religious conflicts that have plagued independent Nigeria ever since.
Another contrast between Nigeria and South Africa concerns the role of the military in politics. Apartheid South Africa had been in wars to defend apartheid, but had never experienced a military coup domestically. Even today, it is arguable that South Africa may be conflict-prone, but not coup-prone.
Post-colonial Nigeria, on the other hand, has been both conflict-prone and coup-prone. In South Africa the soldiers have been engaged in various clashes over the years, but the decisions to go to war were invariably made by civilians. In Nigeria, however, there have been both civilian-driven conflicts and militarily sponsored conflagrations.
Moreover, Nigeria has experienced more post-colonial years under military rule than under civilian. On the other hand, South Africa since 1910 has not experienced any military take-over, though leaders like Kruger and Smuts were initially soldiers before they became politicians and statesmen.
* The writer is chancellor of Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture
Half a century separated formal independence of South Africa in 1910 and the formal independence of Nigeria in 1960. These two countries have since become the giants of Africa. Nigeria excels in human resources; it has the largest population of any country in Africa. South Africa excels in mineral and material resources. What other factors distinguish the most influential African countries?
In the 20th century, Africa had two types of European colonies: those with large numbers of white settlers and evolved a racial hierarchy, and those African that were overwhelmingly indigenous. Their white populations consisted mainly of colonial administrators and temporary residents.
The most important white-settler model was, of course, South Africa. On the eve of World War II, South Africa had indeed become the largest concentration of white people on the African continent.
Extensive white settlement in an African country was good news for the economic infrastructure, but bad political news for race relations. South Africa evolved into the most industrialised nation in Africa. But it also became the worst case of racism and apartheid.
In contrast, the most important African country without a large European population was Nigeria. The absence of European enterprise and developmental skills deprived Nigeria of a more modern economic base and infrastructure. But it also spared Nigeria the agony of racism and subsequent racial conflict.
The political formulation that most shaped Nigeria was Lord Lugard’s policy of Indirect Rule, seeking to decentralise power to local chiefs and "native authorities".
The political policy that moulded South Africa most fundamentally was apartheid, seeking to segregate the races socially and territorially. What did indirect rule have in common with apartheid?
Theoretically, both policies were based on a belief that Africans could best be ruled through their indigenous institutions. In Nigeria indirect rule resulted in preserving the "native" political institutions of northern Nigeria. In South Africa, the policy resulted in creating Bantustans with separate "native" authorities.
Both indirect rule and apartheid were based on a profound distrust of the potential Westernisation of Africa. The doctrines aspired to protect the cultural authenticity of Africa. But on this issue, Lord Lugard was more sincere than South Africa’s Veorwoed. Lugard’s indirect rule was genuinely based on the British cultural tradition of political gradualism. The apartheid ideology also valued cultural continuity and regarded Westernisation as a potentially disruptive force.
Lord Lugard never used the term ‘separate development’ in relation to Nigeria, but his policies did de facto result in Northern Nigeria’s development in a different way from Southern.
On the other hand, Veorwoed and his successors never used the term indirect rule relative to white control, or the relationship between the Central Government in Pretoria and the Bantustans. But in reality that relationship was indeed a form of indirect rule.
In the final analysis, Lord Lugard’s motives differed from those of the architects of apartheid.
The designers of apartheid started from a point of disrespect for Black people while Lord Lugard respected the kings and princes of Nigeria within the confines of an imperial order. The architects of apartheid started with segregation at the micro-level, micro-apartheid. But the ideology ventured into macro-apartheid by attempting territorial creation of racial homelands.
In contrast, Lord Lugard believed in amalgamation instead of territorial fragmentation. It was he who united Southern Nigeria with Northern in 1914, thereby creating the most populous country in Africa. Lugard believed in relative cultural autonomy for the different ethnic groups of Nigeria rather than territorial compartmentalisation.
South Africa has had two stages of independence: independence for whites in 1910 and independence for all South Africans in 1994. Some of the worst conflicts in South Africa occurred before the attainment of full independence. Such conflicts ranged from the Anglo-Boer War of 1899-1902 to the anti-apartheid struggle from the 1960s.
If South Africa’s worst conflicts were before attainment of full independence, Nigeria’s worst conflicts were after the end of colonial rule. This has included the bitter Nigerian Civil War of 1967-1970, the anti-Igbo pogrom of 1966 that triggered the civil war, and the communal and religious conflicts that have plagued independent Nigeria ever since.
Another contrast between Nigeria and South Africa concerns the role of the military in politics. Apartheid South Africa had been in wars to defend apartheid, but had never experienced a military coup domestically. Even today, it is arguable that South Africa may be conflict-prone, but not coup-prone.
Post-colonial Nigeria, on the other hand, has been both conflict-prone and coup-prone. In South Africa the soldiers have been engaged in various clashes over the years, but the decisions to go to war were invariably made by civilians. In Nigeria, however, there have been both civilian-driven conflicts and militarily sponsored conflagrations.
Moreover, Nigeria has experienced more post-colonial years under military rule than under civilian. On the other hand, South Africa since 1910 has not experienced any military take-over, though leaders like Kruger and Smuts were initially soldiers before they became politicians and statesmen.
* The writer is chancellor of Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture*
http://www.eastandard.net/hm_news/news.php?articleid=1143956393 |
Chrishayden
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Apparently you Africans don't know where you live yet.
We don't live in African or Arabia. We live in America with Rush Limbaugh, George Bush and David Duke.
But you know that. You ain't gonna say nothing about them. You know if you don't keep to the company line you will get deported. That is why they let you over here so you can set yourselves up as the genuwine thang and tell us how to think.
I see those negroes over there dying their hair blond and marrying white women. I know the score.
Maybe you should ask Amadou Diallou and his mother how they made out?
You know there is a way out of your dilemma. When you can't talk right, just don't talk at all.
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Kola_boof
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I beg your pardon, CHRIS---I have talked ad infinitum on the radio about George Bush's rotten ass and called his Presidency "a regime"----in my autobiography I talk about how I wouldn't vote for him---what more can I say????
Just because I don't like the Arab Empire and am PRO-ISRAEL does not confirm your assumption that I'm for Bush.
And I honestly don't believe that Rush Limbaugh, BUSH and David Duke are major threats to Black America.
At the end of the day, you're still standing on a Podium with a bunch of Latinos talking about, "My brown brothers and sisters."
The Democrats are going to PIMP both minority groups as usual and offer us a "Welfare Check" and a Stevie Wonder Monument.
Just like in Africa--I believe that Black Americans are their own biggest threat.
I believe our problems as blacks ANYWHERE---are MOSTLY "internal"---not outside.
I could give a shit about the government or what Rush Limbaugh's racist evil ass is talking about.
David Duke is doing FAR LESS damage to us than BET is doing.
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Kola_boof
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And if anyone notices the PATTERN of conversation in the posts by the "Africans"----we happen to be more concerned with US AS A PEOPLE----than with what the WHITES are doing.
Whether George Bush is in office or Hillary Clinton----our suffering and destruction will be the SAME.
I believe that IN AMERICA...we give the Whites too much power by obsessing over them....when we should be together having our own community and debates, disagreements, family meetings as "blacks".
Other minority groups, you will notice, talk the same way Africans do. Amongst ourselves about "US". Fuck the white people!
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Tonya
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(((("David Duke is doing FAR LESS damage to us than BET is doing.")))
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
When are we gonna get it. The only power the white man has over us is what we constantly give him. We worship every aspect of him---there's where he gets the power to do what ever we allow him to do. Black people could rule the world if they wanted to. We just have to let go of our sweet white Jesus. |
Abm
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Dahomeyahosi,
I LOVE Ann Coulter! Because she unapologetically recounts what White Americans who have POWER think and feel.
And she quite effectively unmasks much of the blantant duplicity and hypocrisy of White liberals.
I think I would like and trust Coulter MORE than I would Hillary Clinton.
Kola,
Africa has NO upperhand BECAUSE it has NOT developed the means by which to effectively and competitively PRODUCE and DISTRIBUTE from what it has.
Again. That's why I often harp on Black people becoming scientists, engineers, mathematicians and the like. Because it is THAT class of citizen who will allow Africa to best utilize what it has.
I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with your David Duke & BET juxtaposition. For today, truly "The fault lies not in the stars, but in ourselves." (Shakespeare's Julius Caesar)
All,
I don't believe any/everything created by Whites should be discarded. If the shyt works, I say KEEP it. And where possible, make it work BETTER.
Right now, we're all communicating in English. A WHITE language. Should we all STOP communicating simply because we're "aping" the White man's language?
Should we not build (much needed) roads in Africa because to do some would require our utilizing design plans and concrete that were created by Whites?
Black people throughout the world must begin to become much more PRACTICAL about our societies and cultures. Such will require our archiving MANY of our treasured customs/beliefs into ANTIQUITY, maintaining and improving certain criteria that WORK and creating NEWER, FRESHER AND BETTER ways of getting things done for our individual and collective benefit. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"Just like in Africa--I believe that Black Americans are their own biggest threat.
I believe our problems as blacks ANYWHERE---are MOSTLY "internal"---not outside.
I could give a shit about the government or what Rush Limbaugh's racist evil ass is talking about.
David Duke is doing FAR LESS damage to us than BET is doing."
Thank you! I could not have articulated that better! You are right on the money with this one. High five...bap!
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Inyaniso
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Good afternoon all,
Kola, I read the lecture by Chinweizu which is on your Proof Magazine site. WOW! I had never heard of him before, which is disappointing on my part. I have started reading more on him and 'Negrophobia" and "What is a Nigger?" which really took me aback, in that what he says is so true yet still beyond many Black people!! Thanks for introducing his work to me.
Inyaniso
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Kola_boof
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You're welcome Inyaniso,
Chinweizu is a very close friend of mines and truly a "Great Lion" and a legend of African literature.
If he had not stood up for me--my books would not be published in Nigeria.
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Dahomeyahosi
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ABM,
I like your thinking on discarding what is bad and keeping what is good. That is common sense and can be applied to all customs whatever their source. We are all speaking English here because it is the most common language in North America, where we all live. The situation here has little in common with the African situation.
In Africa we are foresaking teaching our own languages in schools (alongside the European/Arabic ones) and also refusing to write our own novels in our own languages. Writers like Ngugi wa Thiong'o and a few others are leading the charge in "legitimizing" African languages by writing with them but others like Soyinka and Achebe do not see the urgency. Africa is home to over half of the world's languages and a language is so vital to a culture. Some languages are extinct for various reasons and others are in the process of becoming extinct. I know how much of my culture is woven into my language. How people speak to each other says everything about who they are. There are things that can not be translated. And I don't want us to die that way...ever.
As far as roads and general technology those are not the domain of whites. They never have been and never will be. It is my wish that the average African put as much energy into demanding roads and technological infrastructure as we put into demanding European skin bleaching products.
Many black people throughout the world don't honor African traditions and have no recollection or ties to them. These are not the black people I am talking about. Those of us who are African have made some poor decisions about which traditions to discard and which ones to keep. That is the problem. No place on this earth is static. Our traditions changed for thousands of years but they do not all have to disappear and they certainly do not have to be demonized, especially by Africans ourselves. Demonizing your own ancestors is the purest form of self-hate and nothing more, especially in a place where ancestors are traditionally revered and honored.
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Dahomeyahosi
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Inyaniso,
Yes African governemnts are under a lot of pressure to jump in the direction the west tells us to. It's convenient for me, an expat, to sit here and give my opinion so I'll do it!
I think that African governments are damned in either scenario....that is whether they take the "advice" and lose the resources or if they take the risk of upsetting their more powerful "economic alies and investors." For this reason I'd like to see more of the latter going on. I don't want to see governments take the route of people like Mugabe and be reckless about it but there is a way to do it. Very carefully and very selflessly...with the intentions of the African people first and foremost.
I just finished a book by Thomas Friedman about the new wave of globalization and how Africa is by and large not a part of it in any substantive way. It was disturbing but I think most of the current damage is self-inficted as so many others in the thread have said. Africa can not afford to entirely sit out this round. I don't think Africans trust ourselves to make good decisions so we take an easier, less honorable, way out time and time again. |
Tonya
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Dahomeyahosi, I wish you'd post more. I really appreciate what you have to say--your posts are very interesting, very informative!
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Dahomeyahosi
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Tonya, Thanks that was unexpected. This is a very interesting board and I know we'll continue to learn from each other.
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Inyaniso
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I am currently watching a CBC documentary on Cuba and why they are considered a 'third world' success. It's called 'Cuba:The accidental revolution'
1)They are economically self sufficient
2) Everyone has access to education
3) They are producers of food,culture and medicine(which ties into #1)
4)What they produce is for their people(Unlike many African countries that gear production to export while their people go hungry)
4)They use their environment to their benefit ie solar power, using wetlands to clean water
Cuba is not the IDEAL, but I feel it provides so many ideas as to how Black people can become self-sufficient
I concur with what Dahomeyahosi and Kola about Black people being our own worst enemies. Chinweizu also speaks to how Black people always bow to Europeans/Whites to tell us how to proceed.
What we need is a shift in the culture of self and a move towards a culture of US or WE, which is what many people on this site have espoused. How do we put this into motion when our leaders have a case of Negrophobia and work against their own people in the quest to seek White approval?
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Kola_boof
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Inyaniso,
As I tell Black women all the time:
"Give birth to a new son."
Now take that one sentence and go into the LAYERS of it---think about what a mother is and what her power is. Think about the knowledge you have and how we have traditionally given birth to what the "ruling dogma" required----rather than to what WE OURSELVES needed.
So much of our downfall is because we have very UNDER-developed women who lack a "vision" and lack the courage to put OUR CHILDREN before our MAN.
As African women, we know this is true, as the "MAN" has always been "the drum" and last word---infantilized, catered to and ALLOWED to fail us in every way.
As females, our greatest POWER is that we are the primary SHAPERS of first thought, first belief and we have the power to...give birth to the people that we need.
If we are women WITHOUT PURPOSE and integrity; without a COMMUNAL goal---then we will produce children (sons) who are without purpose, integrity or a Communal goal.
Of course, our own special Self-hate makes us think we are unworthy of wielding the power I describe.....but all women DO IT one way or the other.
We have not been doing it a good way.
At this moment...worldwide...the Black Man is leading us the wrong way. Just as in the slave trade. HE is the principle "decision-maker" and HE is the one who we OBEY in our patriotism and our desire to be branded "good"....and yet His desires are often nothing but dreams of mimicking the white man's image, aping and repeating the white man's deeds.
We need a new son.
And we need black women who are DEVELOPED fully as personalities----doesn't matter if it's a $2 prositute, a Nobel Prize winner, a homemaker, a nurse, a school teacher-----we need women who RECOGNIZE these social/political strategies (which is the job of women to pass information ON to other women--just as you do the White Man's "Word of Jesus Christ"--there are other messages that black women need to be circulating) and are willing to instill THEIR WILL (as women) into their sons and embed the "expectation" that the mother's VISION will be carried out.
Our #1 MANTRA is an ancient one----"If my father dies, I will give birth to him again."
In other words--the black man MUST EXIST, and must exist AS HIMSELF. His most prized possession is his own reflection, the WOMB of his being---the Black woman. Through our children, we live forever. Without Black children (I said BLACK children), we are dead forever.
And then we work our way from that understanding.
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Dahomeyahosi
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Kola, oh yes it is so true. When I think of the African wife I think of someone beaten back, someone small and meek. But when I think of the African mother I think of power. So many male African leaders were/are really only second fiddles to their mothers. There is a reason why the Yoruba say there is no deity greater than mother. The honor of the mother is such an African institution, one of the great ones I never want to see die.
Now having said I'm too much of a coward to have children but I am a professor of one of the "stem" disciplines and that's the best contribution I can make at this time. Because Inyaniso in order for everyone to have access to education we have to have educators. America has an amazingly competitive higher education system. Africa will have to build one on our own African soil before we get anywhere. So those of us who want a world class education that will build a world class Africa will no longer have to escape to some other continent.
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