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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 169
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 03:01 pm: | 
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...about color??
http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/Courses/hd412/Spring%2006%20course/Spring%2006% 20course/Spring%202006%20course/Skin%20tone/shades%20of%20meaning%20bigler%20199 7.pdf |
Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 719
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 03:06 pm: |
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Tonya, why are you motivating the latino/a looking Blacks to bring their self righteous complaining asses up in here to whine, bitch, and moan? |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 170
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 03:15 pm: |
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So they can kiss my black ass, that's why. |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2637
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 03:22 pm: |
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LOL!!!!!
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Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 5693
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 03:37 pm: |
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Kola,
Ditto. Tonya's response is funnier than HELL!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! |
Yvettep
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1216
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 06:16 pm: |
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Anyone here ever take the Implicit Association Test (IAT)? Go to https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/demo/selectatest.jsp (Scroll down to see the skin tone and race tests.)
Also, Malcolm Gladwell in "Blink" has an interesting spin on what (he thinks) is going on with people's responses. |
Sabiana
Newbie Poster
Username: Sabiana
Post Number: 13
Registered: 08-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 08:18 pm: |
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So this is set in stone?
Did they test every single black child in America?
Excuse me if this comes of as whining, bitching, and moaning. I'm not the one blinded by colorism.
So if I take this seriously, black children are taking lighter skin blacks in higher regard than blacks with darker skin tones. Tell me something new. So I guess, also, that this information is perfect justification of the resentment that women of darker skin feels towards of one of lighter skin tone. Of course, a woman with light skin is automatically stuck-up and wants to disassociate with anything black and feels superior to anyone of darker skin. Society tells her so. Of course there is not one thing you can do about it. We should just except things for the way they are. It's not your fault anyway.
This is truly sad. I feel for all of you. The only thing you can notice is a shade, the lack of melanin, and features. Instead of disbelieving the "massa", you just fallen into the inevitable argument of black indentity. I understand you have been shitted on by people of lighter color. It's perfectly reasonable for you to hate someone of lighter skin. Lighter skined blacks hate me just the same. Hell, light skin women have always had it easy! God, this would almost be funny if it were not for the truth. People on Earth like you are the reason children, untainted beings children are, even notice color. (It a guess who they learn it from) But I'm sure you'll just disregard my post as meaningless rants by a latino/a looking Black. Actually I don't look like one. I don't let anger, jealously, and resentment cloud my judgement and thoughts. Oh wait, I absolutely love white skin, a would climb any mountain to get. I wish I was just a light as my mother. I hate Africa and darker skin negroes. I love my great-great-grandfather and I have some Indian in me. I'm not really all that black. I also have wear fake weave down to my back to disguise my real hair. I am the perfect embodiment of a self-hating negress.
Society has made me what I am. Heaven forbid I consider my mother just as black as me or my father. Heaven forbid that I look at every black person, no matter what shade, how light, how dark, the same, I am already tainted by the powers that be. Too late! Fighting colorism is just a lost cause, instead of getting of my ass and actually doing anything about it, I'm typing this post instead, watching silently as the rift between black become deeper and more endless. The black community will always be Light Skin VS. Dark Skin. We will never move beyond this because of people like you.
(But of course this is just ranting, bitching, and ranting. Please don't take this that seriously.) HAHAHAHAHAHA! |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 177
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 09:59 pm: |
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Sabiana,
I think you need a hug, dear.....and a therapist...and I'm not try'na be funny.
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Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 720
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 10:07 pm: |
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I was about to say the same thing. |
Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 721
Registered: 03-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 10:11 pm: |
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Poor child did pour her heart out though. |
Sabiana
Newbie Poster
Username: Sabiana
Post Number: 15
Registered: 08-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 10:35 pm: |
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And obviously it meant nothing to you. SIGH.
But don't I deserve a Ocsar? (Giggle) |
Sabiana
Newbie Poster
Username: Sabiana
Post Number: 16
Registered: 08-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 03, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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Why do I try so hard? |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2642
Registered: 02-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 12:19 am: |
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Sabiana you need to take a XANAX and stay off work tomorrow.
We love you, girl.
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Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2643
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 12:20 am: |
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And...welcome to the family. 
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Sabiana
Newbie Poster
Username: Sabiana
Post Number: 20
Registered: 08-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 01:15 pm: |
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I love ya'll too.
You all just make me so DAMN frustrated at times. |
Mzuri
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 1154
Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 07:16 pm: |
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Yeah, take Saturday off - you've earned it. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 5710
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 04, 2006 - 10:04 pm: |
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Sabiana,
When you're just beginning to learn to swim, you don't go deep sea diving in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. |
Sabiana
Regular Poster
Username: Sabiana
Post Number: 27
Registered: 08-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 04:48 am: |
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Abm,
I'll take your advice. |
Fortified
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Fortified
Post Number: 240
Registered: 04-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 05, 2006 - 10:15 am: |
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I took that skin tone IAT test. My result:
Your data suggest little to no automatic preference between Dark Skin and Light Skin.
AHA! So it is possible! LOL! |
Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 243
Registered: 07-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 06, 2006 - 08:48 pm: |
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City teen's film shows racial rift
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/441270p-371641c.html
BY ERIN EINHORN
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
The camera zooms in on a sweet-faced Harlem girl, about 5 years old with her tightly braided hair pulled back, as she's asked to identify "the doll that looks bad."
She examines the white doll and black doll in front of her - identical except for their color - and tentatively chooses the black doll. It's bad, she says, "because this is black."
The "nice" doll is nice "because she's white," the black girl says.
And which doll, she is asked, is the doll that looks like you?
The camera then settles on her young, serious face as she slowly slides the black doll forward.
"People are just amazed," said Kiri Davis, 17, the Manhattan public school student whose powerful short film about race, self-esteem and cultural identity has stunned audiences and educators, and won the hearts of film festival judges around the nation. "Even at 4 and 5, you can still tell what America values and what it doesn't."
Fifteen of the 21 black children in a Harlem day care center who take the "doll test" in Davis' seven-minute film choose the white doll over the black one.
The film - "A Girl Like Me" - re-creates Kenneth Clark's 1940s doll test that was used to fight school segregation in the landmark Supreme Court case Brown vs. Board of Education. In Clark's studies, he and his wife, Mamie Clark, found that the majority of black children they tested chose white dolls over black dolls and ascribed negative attributes to black dolls.
Five decades later, Davis, a senior at Manhattan's Urban Academy High School, assumed things had improved - especially in black cultural meccas like Harlem.
But her film, punctuated with black teen girls discussing their relationships with their skin, their hair and their community, illustrates how the converse is true. Her study was conducted in 2005.
"You can tell someone all you want about standards of beauty and how they're affecting someone's self esteem and yada yada yada," Davis said. "But until you figure out a way to actually show someone, that's when I think people really get the message."
A "Girl Like Me" was produced through Reel Works Teen Filmmaking, a nonprofit organization based in Brooklyn's Prospect Park YMCA that paired Davis with a mentor, taught her basic skills and then helped her to market her film.
The driven filmmaker made a splash this summer at the Tribeca Film Festival. The film also won the audience award at the Silverdocs festival in Silver Spring, Md., and the Diversity Award from Media that Matters, a nonprofit Internet and traveling festival that screens films about social issues.
The film has made a mark in the educational world where it has been shown to grad students at the Bank Street College of Education and to administrators in the city Education Department. It may have had its most significant effect at Boys and Girls Harbor, the organization that granted Davis access to kids in Harlem.
There, teachers are rethinking their curriculum and educational approach. When Bernadette Wallace, the director of pre- and after-school services, screened the film for her staff, she said, "Some of my teachers had tears in their eyes. They couldn't believe it."
Originally published on August 6, 2006 |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2744
Registered: 02-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, August 06, 2006 - 08:52 pm: |
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Tonya, this really deserved its own thread.
On the real.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 257
Registered: 07-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2006 - 02:30 pm: |
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A Girl Like Me
7:08 min
CLICK HERE TO WATCH FILM:
http://www.mediathatmattersfest.org/6/a_girl_like_me/
Youth Documentary
Kiri Davis, Director, Reel Works Teen Filmmaking, Producer
Winner of the Diversity Award
Sponsored by Third Millennium Foundation
ABOUT THE FILM
More About A Girl Like Me from Director Kiri Davis
For my high-school literature class I was constructing an anthology with a wide range of different stories that I believed reflected the black girl’s experience. For the different chapters, I conducted interviews with a variety of black girls in my high school, and a number of issues surfaced concerning the standards of beauty imposed on today’s black girls and how this affects their self-image. I thought this topic would make an interesting film and so when I was accepted into the Reel Works Teen Filmmaking program, I set out to explore these issues. I also decided to would reconduct the “doll test” initially conducted by Dr. Kenneth Clark, which was used in the historic desegregation case, Brown vs. Board of Education. I thought that by including this experiment in my film, I would shed new light on how society affects black children today and how little has actually changed.
With help from my mentor, Shola Lynch, and thanks to the honesty and openness of the girls I interviewed, I was able to complete my first documentary in the fall of 2005. I learned that giving the girls an opportunity to talk about these issues and their experiences helped us all to look deeper and examine the many things in society that affect us and shape who we are. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 278
Registered: 07-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 07:20 pm: |
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The light-skinned/dark-skinned conflict, straight vs. kinky hair conflicts that many Baby Boomer black Americans thought were left behind after the ‘60s and ‘70s clearly are still at play.
--BlackAmericaWeb.com
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/dolltest809
This evidence is sure to produce a second wave of concern, but I am not so sure it is right to be concerned because I do not believe, nor have I ever seen evidence, that white people actually believe that they have superior looks. . . .What I find most interesting and provocative about "A Girl Like Me" is that young black women feel that they suffer from stereotypes about being "loud, obnoxious and less than intelligent." When one steps away from the news, "The Oprah Winfrey Show" and any of the true-crime documentaries (which always feature a wide array of minorities in law enforcement), it is easy to see how those stereotypes are not only held in place but continually projected. Black entertainers, like those spewed from the world of hip hop, are maintaining a strong lead when it comes to proving that minstrelsy is an equal-opportunity endeavor.
--Stanley Crouch New York Daily News
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/442089p-372363c.html
My opinion Stanley Crouch: http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/141561
I think this is something of a condmenation of our society. Our society teaches children as young as 5 years old to consider black skin "bad" and white skin "nice." The MLW diary's author links this to the complete abandonment of black Americans after Katrina hit, which at the time I felt showed quite starkly that the Bush Administration cared not one whit for blacks. Together, these two snapshots of blacks in America really show that our society has not escaped racism. I have always felt that until our society can face up to our slave past we will have a hard time overcoming racism in America.
--Culturekitchen.com
http://www.culturekitchen.com/mole333/blog/deep_deep_racism_in_american_culture_ the_doll_t |
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