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Sunshinespirit
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 28, 2006 - 02:13 pm: | 
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What do you think about Global Warming...I watched the Science Channel on a current program about Global Warming...and the information was alarming!!! We can probably give the planet about 50 more years...and the crazy weather is going to keep getting worst...oxygen in depleting animals are becoming extinct...and when the ecogoly becomes unstable...people will become extinct as well...the condition of this planet make me think of movies such as "Soylent Green" |
Dahomeyahosi
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What you do to the earth, the earth will do to you. This is so simple but it's not consistent with the belief system of the people in power and therefore we have what we have. Science has proved something that Africans have known since the beginning. Westerners have replaced science for common sense and this is the result. I don't believe it's as dire as you stated but unless westerners get out of the Judeo-Christian mindset including the idea that the earth and its non-human creatures are here to solely to serve humans we will be headed that way. The earth is resilient but even the strongest woman can be taken down. |
Kola_boof
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I totally agree Dahomeyahosi
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Sunshinespirit
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Yes I agree too...I hope though that what they said..."50-100" years before they completely demolish the planet is not true too...I never knew the Judeo-Christian mindset had anything to do with them raping and striping the planet...I have notice that all racial groups except the White group live in harmony with the land...and I noticed the Whites have pilliaged and abused the land...I noticed they do not use the planet in a spiritual harmony with nature...but metorologist told "them" we had a global warming going on 10 years ago..."they" said it was no so...but today they say it is so...look at the changes in our weather this is what make everything inbalanced...this is what will continue to get worse... |
Tonya
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I buy into one of the greatest comedians' to ever live--GEORGE CARLIN--school of thought: the earth is going to shake us off like FLEAS and refurbish itself without giving us a second thought...when the time comes. |
Dahomeyahosi
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Tonya I hope George Carlin is right because while I hate to see people with balanced worldviews be taken down by those without balanced worldviews that is much better than the planet becoming entirely devoid of life.
Sunshinespirit the lack of respect for the environment demonstrated by people in the Judeo-Christian tradition stems from their belief that non-humans have no souls/spirits. I can't speak for all Africans but I know that where I'm from we believe that not only animals but also plants and objects have spirits. It is exactly these opposite beliefs that create the disharmony you spoke of. Some people don't believe in the spirit of the land and the respect that should be reciprocated for it...they cling to the silly idea of owning it instead. The lack of balance is a direct effect of their sense of entitlement and the idea that they can control things. We are now seeing how the control works.... |
Femrenoir
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 11:05 pm: |
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If someone would just give George a blowjob . . .
Then maybe we'd sign the Kyoto treaty to reduce greenhouse gasses. It was drawn up in 1997. In 2001 Bush announced we would never sign it - and we haven't.
Then maybe we wouldn't have oil company lobbyists running the environmental protection agency. Reports prepared by scientists were revised to change 'will cause' to 'may cause' etc., etc.
Maybe the world will be really nice and only shake off the money hungry, insane asshole fleas who have us in this mess!
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Semperfemme
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Dahomeyahosi: "Sunshinespirit the lack of respect for the environment demonstrated by people in the Judeo-Christian tradition stems from their belief that non-humans have no souls/spirits."
This is false. The lack of respect for the environment comes from a HUMAN desire to master the earth while making money along the way. God did not instruct us to pollute the air with monoxides, destroy the rain forest, or eliminate entire species but instead asked us to have tend to his creations.
But it is the sins of greed and gluttony that fuel the pillaging of our only home. Men are fallible, while God and his word is not and since he does offer us freewill, there will be those who will claim to speak in his name while doing the Devil's work in the dark.
But all Judeo-Christians are warned of false prophets, so those of us who have actually read the word and understand its meaning, know our mission is to protect this sacred home that God provided for us. Our Eden if you will.
http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/international/globalclimate.htm
The Catholic Church anyway, I don't know about Protestants. And yes, there is a difference.
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Sunshinespirit
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 12:28 am: |
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Dahomeyahosi...and...Semperfemme
Thank you for the insight...I am a child of God and I have a very different understanding than this, Judeo-Christians understanding...I know that my body is made of the same elements as the earth...and with the same percentages...2/3rd water like the planet...etc...and I do see that many of these people here are doing this for money and power...yet it is all of us who are suffering...such a sad, sad, sad, world...
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 04:42 am: |
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You know, I've heard and read that part of the problem is the federal government is littered with foks who believe we're nearing the Apocalyse. Thus, it doesn't really matter what we do the environment. Because the LAWD's coming back REAL soon.
Though that seems farfetched, it would help explain why mofos act like they don't give a dayam about the environment. |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 10:31 am: |
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Though that seems farfetched
Not as far-fetched as you think. Google the name John Hagee and note who some of his supporters are... |
Abm
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Yvettep,
Just one of the MANY reasons why we've gotta sever religion from politics. Because some foks God sure has a way of bringing he devil out of 'em...and the rest of us. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 01:48 pm: |
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I'm almost to the point where I think we need to sever "religion" from EVERYTHING.
I prefer spirituality, but then ABM you know about my river.
This all goes back to environment and how selfish and shallow we've become---THE MORE WE KNOW, it seems.
Perhaps it's inevitable.
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Dahomeyahosi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 04:09 pm: |
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Semperfemme the designs of a religion can be seen in the action of its adherents. The desire that you speak of is not universally human and I can certainly vouch for that. It is peculiar to the subset of humans who have a Judeo-Christian (or non-spiritual) outlook. I admit I have never read the bible, koran, or torah but I can see how they drive you to be disrespectful of the land and its inhabitants and I've read of specific passages in the bible, koran, and torah that reinforce these beliefs. Here is a link on Christian beliefs which reiterates everything I know to be true:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/animals/christianity1.shtml
The link you posted is nice but it does not reflect the reality of the way Christians behave. |
Dahomeyahosi
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Sunshinespirit I agree completely. Balance is what is necessary and when we see ourselves as outside of the cyclic replenishing that everyone and everything needs, disasters occur. |
Dahomeyahosi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 04:16 pm: |
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If I understand correclty ABM and Kola have said we should sever religion from politics. I never understood this stance because at the base of any government are laws and laws must be derived from a common ethical standpoint. Spirituality/religion seems to provide the natural foundation for this. If the world were perfect we'd all practice the same one but it isn't and that's why it's hard to weave spirituality into a state without alienating some. But in spite of these obstacles wouldn't it be ideal to see your state reflect your spirituality ? |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 04:25 pm: |
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Dahomeyahosi,
As a "WOMAN"---I want church and state SEPARATED as much as it can possibly be done.
SUDAN is a good example of a place where what you describe is IMPOSSIBLE--because of the 200 different tribes/ethnic groups and because of the barbaric sexism of "Islam" (as I experienced it).
The problem with religion is that it hinges quite a bit on EMOTION and SUPERSTITION (ditto spirituality) and is the most powerful force within the "innocent" ignorance of the living.
I want that there, because it brings us love and beauty---but I also like the cold, clinical objectivity and rationalism of LAW, and I like it to be as impartial as is possible.
I do, however, go each day to the river and bare my breasts, Dahomeyahosi and PRAY and have fellowship with the earth, the river and my womb.
Many find this insane---but I prefer my religion to the ManMade religions.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 04:45 pm: |
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Dahomeyahosi,
What happens when some president or prime minister's "God" demands that we do something that our rational mind advises against? What if "God" tell us to bomb Russia? Should we do it?
Often foks view of "God" leaves very little room for negotiation and consensus. In fact, some foks God wholly discounts the humanity of other foks altogether. In a country and society of people of differing races, nationalities and creeds, we simply can NOT afford to have some single, narrowly interpretation perspective of how EVERYBODY'S is suppose to think, believe and live.
All you have to do is consider what is occurring in the Middle East to understand WHY we should attempt to keep separate God & Government. |
Dahomeyahosi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 06:44 pm: |
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Kola,
Yes Sudan is one of the many nations that reduces the appeal of theocracy. But we all know how the borders of that nation came about. As a woman, ideally I do not want my spiritually separate from my government but I do acknowledge that "my" place no longer exists. I guess it was a purely theoretical and therefore useless question but imagine Kola if you lived in a state where those around you adhered to the same womanist ideas that you find comforting. Would you not want those ideas to be reflected in the laws of the land? Where I am from if a husband was found guilty of beating his wife all of the women of the village beat this man. That reflects our belifs. Along the same lines if I were a devout muslim I imagine I'd find solace in a place like northern Nigeria.
We both know definitions of insanity are relative. Personally I don't believe one can live in the U.S. without being insane to some degree. But I am from Benin and left as a teenager so my views are jaded. Insanity and other culturally or even individually defined concepts are some of the reasons why I don't believe in objectivity. It is comforting to think that laws can be impartially enforced and applied. I understand the appeal of such an idea. But I can't think of a situation/state where this has ever been the case. Money drives the enforcement of law here and in many other places. Objectivity requires a certain kind of blindness and the loss of other senses. This does not truly exist. Emotion, now that gives birth to the most beautiful things. I prefer it and the honest passion that it brings.
I think spirit/spiritually keeps us sane enough to function. At least it keeps ME sane enough to function and I need spiritually a lot more than I need these American laws.
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Dahomeyahosi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 06:56 pm: |
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ABM,
I hear what you are saying. I think people who have authentic communication with supernatural beings have the burden of honestly communicating the information they are given. Those they give the information to are burdened with listening only to authentic conduits. Where I am from there are many people who perform this duty. Some are authentic, some are not. And those who are inauthentic usually find themselves in a new professions because no one listens to them after it has been proved that they are untrustworthy.
I know that it sounds insane but some Moroccans and Algerians I've spoken to think the U.S. is just as Christian driven as the middle east is Islam driven. I do believe that it doesn't make sense to have theocracy in heterogeneous populations but one could argue that some regions of the Middle East are overwhelmingly Islamic and therefore it makes sense that their governments reflect this. I suppose the question become whether or not you truly believe spiritually heterogeneous societies are optimum. I do not.
And yes everything breaks down when people become ethnocentric, refuse to stay within the borders of their ancestors, and go off to convert foreign people and territories. Clearly that is what has allowed the world we now see. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 06:57 pm: |
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Dahomeyahosi...I see what you are saying, you are talking about the "Stool". And yes, I agree, sister.
No one has spoken to me like that---IN A LONG TIME. 
You're right about spirituality.
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Kola_boof
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the U.S. is just as Christian driven as the middle east is Islam driven.
THIS IS A FACT.
A TOTAL FACT.
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Kola_boof
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Is your country Benin or Togo?
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Abm
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Dahomeyahosi: "And those who are inauthentic usually find themselves in a new professions because no one listens to them after it has been proved that they are untrustworthy."
Well. What I've observed over the years is MANY inauthentic conduits of GOD becoming quite powerful and persuasive.
Dahomeyahosi,
I concede I am in no position of adequately contrast the degree to which America is a 'theocracy' versus any other Arab/Islamic nation. And I wonder whether your Algerian and Moroccan friends are anymore capable of such.
I think the US Constitution is mostly a secular document. But will concede the manner to which US laws are engendered, enforced and interpreted likely always will to varying degrees be subject to errant religiosity.
Again. The problem with injecting religion in government is the possibility of a nation being hijacked by some dangerously radical interpretation of 'GOD's' law. This is particularly problematic IF the high priests of such are FEW in number. If he or she starts to use religious teachings to become some fatalist crackpot, millions of people are doomed.
I ultimately believe that people should as best they can attempt to keep GOD OUT of government and IN their homes, hearts and spirits. |
Abm
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Kola,
If the US government truly were as Christian as the Middle East is Muslim, could YOU do what you do here? |
Dahomeyahosi
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Kola I am from Benin and yes I was referring to the keepers of the shrines/stools. |
Semperfemme
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Dahomeyahosi:
Did you notice that the same website you gave me also divided up the different branches of Christianity? Something I asked you to take into consideration in my first response? It gives you a full outline of the Catholic stance on the treatment of animals or did you only read the first page and hope I wouldn't skip to the second and third? (The website also lists Anglican and Protestant views)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/animals/christianity3.shtml
Third, I'm glad you've met ALL the Christians in the world so you can see how we ALL behave in regard to our environment. I'm glad you're not just basing your synapsis on a quick google search and the misbehavior of the right-wing Bush administration.
"Semperfemme the designs of a religion can be seen in the action of its adherents"
That's convoluted logic and you know it. Apply it to anything else and someone is sure to get their little knickers in a bunch.
Examples:
Most middle eastern terrorists are Muslim hence, all Muslims are terrorists
OR
Some African men violated pre-teen virgins in hopes that it would cure their HIV hence, all African men are disease spreading rapists
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Semperfemme
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By the way, the Catholic church is the founding father for all the other denominations listed on that site.
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Semperfemme
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Kola_Boof: I don't know how our nation became so polarized, considering the fact that the signers of the Declaration did not want religion to be an aspect in our government.
When do you think this shift occured?
Maybe it was inevitable considering our puritanical roots. |
Dahomeyahosi
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Semperfemme I don't have to meet all of the Christians of the world to come to these conclusions. Even a blind woman can see that "Christian" nations are the most disrespectful towards the environment and other creatures.
Just to give you an idea of where I'm coming from consider the land mass now called the U.S. during the 30-40,000 years that non-Christians inhabited it and consider it now. She could do without 400 years of Christian love and caretaking. Consider the "industrialized", filthy countries of eastern and western Europe and compare them to the parts of central and western Africa which are outside of the realm of the westernized capitals. The values of the Hopi natinon, as battered as they are, are still evident in the fact that the modern tribal complex uses solar power. Europeans and north Americans love to go to Africa to get a taste of the beauty they've managed to destroy. Christians came up with the idea of reserves and national parks because they can't live side by side with anything natural without danger of destroying it. The values of the Masai are still evident in their refusal to be to produce livestock as if they were machine parts, and let themselves be led by the profit motive.
There are a couple of Christian countries that have somewhat balanced views toward environmental reciprocity and reciprocation like some of the Nordic ones. However the overwhelming MAJORITY of Christian countries are places where the populace refers to anything that is not a concrete jungle as "undeveloped" as if nothing is complete without being stripped of its true face.
Africa is a big continent. The small percent of South African men who rape children is no larger than the percent of sickos who show up on Dateline weekly without any HIV excuse. These men are in no way numerically large enough to draw any meaningful conclusions. However the overwhelming MAJORITY of "Christian" nations have contributed grandly to the mess which has resulted in global warming and other suicidal results. If over half of muslims were indeed terrorists you could draw the same conclusions but you are comparing two incomparable proportions. Muslims make up over 1 billion of the earth's people. I have yet to hear of 500 million terrorists.
My husband always says let your words be your prayers, let your actions be your religion. The actions of Christians and their religion are compatible....blatantly disreguarding the value of anything outside of their own species and failing to understand that they are commiting suicide until the scientists tell them so. Do scientists hold more sway than your own God ?
The French, Portuguese, and Italians are overwhelmingly Catholic and fit the suicidal mold. The French used Benin as a dumping ground to improperly bury nuclear waste and use nuclear power as their major source of energy. The Catholic Belgians ripped the congo wide open in their thirst for the minerals of the earth. This is not the behavior of a people who love "Eden." If these are the respectful Catholics you speak of they do nothing more than follow hypocrisy as a way of life. But I must admit this makes sense for people who set aside a couple of hours one day a week to be Catholic.
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Kola_boof
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KOLA:
Dahomeyahosi...I see what you are saying, you are talking about the "Stool". And yes, I agree, sister.
No one has spoken to me like that---IN A LONG TIME.
You're right about spirituality.
Is your country Benin or Togo?
Dahomeyahosi:
Kola I am from Benin and yes I was referring to the keepers of the shrines/stools.
KOLA:
Thank you. I knew I was right. It's very sad that "Black Americans" have been COMPLETELY separated from the legislate of "The Stool" (slavery had to exise it or they would have been unruly like the Haitians and they would be UNITED today via The Stool)--though we don't have that in my country either.
It's good that you are in America. Do you have children here?
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Dahomeyahosi
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Kola I don't have any children here and couldn't imagine raising any. Every African mother here has extreme courage, especially those of us who got a taste of the schools and culture as youth ourselves. I could've been sucked into being something that would disgust my ancestors so easily so I, since my husband refuses to leave this land permanently, I won't be having children.
And yes some of the people Haiti and Bahia, Brazil are amazing in their survival skills. I wanted to visit Brazil but was so homesick I went back home instead. Maybe I'll make it there someday. Have you been? |
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