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Sunshinespirit
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Post Number: 6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 07:40 pm: | 
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Many of my sistas and brothas say,(if you have one drop of Black blood you are Black), I say, if that be so...one drop of White blood would make you white...or any other race...what do you think??????????????????????????????????????????
You know when they brought that law into effect, it was for a political reason...for votes...all Black i.e. Native Americans, Mexican etc.. men who voted where counted as 1/5th of a man...so it took 5 people of these groups to make 1 whole vote...whereas with White men they where counted...one man one vote....and a bi-racial male whose father was White...the child was considered White...hence the Grandfather Claus... |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 621
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 07:48 pm: |
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SunshineSpirit is new to this site Kola. Can you please explain to her the meaning of the "one drop rule". And how we as "Authentic Blacks" judge "Blackness" according to African Standards. |
Savant
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Post Number: 24
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 08:06 pm: |
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sunshinespirit, if a biracial male whose father was white was considered white in the south, as you state, countless black men in the jim-crow south would have had the vote, based on parentage alone. "biracial" men in the south were never considered white. the grandfather clause was used to disenfranchize black people, many who had white fathers and white "blood". |
Sunshinespirit
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 08:26 pm: |
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But...before jim-crow came around this was the rule...yes this rule was changed...my law professor broke this down to us...and one thing a Black History professor told me was EVERYTHING is about economic...and the vote Too...power in america is about race and money(ECONOMICS)... |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2347
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 08:50 pm: |
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Sunshine--I am not a "one dropist", so I definitely agree with you.
Cicely Tyson should get the same credit for her ONE DROP of "white blood" that Mariah Carey gets for her one drop of "colored".
I go with the African standard that black people must look "black" in some form of African sense---not in a Mulatto sense.
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Savant
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Post Number: 26
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 09:16 pm: |
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sunshine, please show me a link to any reference that confirms that a mulatto (i deliberately use the term "mulatto" rather than "biracial" to be historically accurate) in the south with a white father was considered white and therefore able to vote.
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Sunshinespirit
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Jim Crow’ laws
The American Civil War (1861-5) put a legal end to slavery and gave black men the vote in 1865. Yet despite this, black Americans were treated as inferior citizens.
In the South, the ‘Jim Crow’ laws, segregation laws that kept blacks and whites apart, controlled the lives of the black population. Black people had to use separate facilities for public transport, housing, hospitals, restaurants and shops. In 1896 separate public schools were ruled to be legal according to the constitution. This separation of facilities was considered acceptable as long as the facilities were equal in quality.
In the Northern states there was not a strict segregation policy. However, black people still experienced discrimination in jobs, education, housing and trade unions.
Few black citizens were able to exercise their right to vote because registered voters had to own property, which many blacks did not. In some states they had to pass a literacy test, which was fixed by white officials. Those who tried to vote were threatened or beaten.
http://www.learningcurve.gov.uk/heroesvillains/background/g6_background.htm
By 1876, republican supporters of reconstruction governments won only 3 states. In 1877, when Congress withdrew the troops from the South, white Democrats won control too. 1877 marked the failure of the reconstruction governments for the North.
From this time onwards, southern blacks were treated more and more like second-class citizen. Most serious, they were robbed of their right to vote. Some southern States prevented them from voting by saying that only people paying a poll-tax could vote. They made the tax so high that the blacks could not afford to pay. Some blacks tried to pay but the tax collector refused their money.
Besides, "Grandfather Clauses" were used to prevent blacks from voting. These clauses allowed the vote only to people whose grandfather had been allowed to vote in 1865 and most blacks had got the right to vote a year later, in 1866. It took away their right to vote. In Louisiana for instance, there were 164 088 white voters and 130 444 black voters before 1898. After Louisiana introduced the "grandfather clauses", there were 125 437 white voters and only 5 320 black voters.
Once blacks lost the vote, taking away their other rights was easy. A strict racial segregation was enforced on trains, in parks , in schools, in restaurants and even in cemeteries. Any black who dared to break these laws was likely to end up in prison or worse. In the 1890"s, there was an average of 150 blacks killed illegally and lynched.
http://www.skyminds.net/civilization/12_the_reconstruction.php
Check out "The Freedmen's Bureau (1865)"
Check out "Black Codes"
The South Carolina Black Code
South Carolina’s Black Code applied only to “persons of color,” defined as including anyone with more than one-eighth Negro blood. Its major features included the following:
http://www.crf-usa.org/brown50th/black_codes.htm
Check out these things about our history...
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Tonya
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 11:19 pm: |
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People don’t understand that “mulattoes” enjoyed freedoms that blacker folks did not. They were better educated and owned land/property (all compliments of their white fathers), which is the reason why almost all of “our” leaders were “fair-skinned”--and why the “black” upper class/elite is comprised TO THIS DAY of light-skinned blacks/bi-racial/multi-racial folks...
(And a handful of color-struck black men....And two or three black women.) |
Savant
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Post Number: 28
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 11:32 pm: |
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i am familiar with the black codes and the information you've cited, sunshinespirit. i still see no citations that reference that the "biracial" child of a white man was considered white or given the vote.
tonya, i take it there were no mulatto field slaves? am i to understand that all mulattoes were privileged because of their white fathers? |
Tonya
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Post Number: 25
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:07 am: |
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Savant,
I was just about to amend my post..even before I notice yours.
Correction: (all compliments of their white fathers IN MANY CASES.)
Of course some of them were ABLE to excel simply because they were “fair-skinned” which carries certain privileges to this day. And not many worked in the fields, partly due to the complaints that were made by them, who argued that their “fair” skin was too fragile to handle the duties of field workers. |
Abm
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Post Number: 5417
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:10 am: |
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Ladies,
Part of the reason WHY lighter skin affords one undue privileges is because Black foks as whole - THROUGHT THE WORLD - are too dayam WEAK. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:16 am: |
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...yep Abm. That's the ONLY reason why I admire the Arabs; they fight to the death--refuse to be niggers, it seems.
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Abm
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Post Number: 5420
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:20 am: |
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Tonya,
Okay. But I could hardly give a dayam about Arabs beyond whether and how they might effect me. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 27
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:24 am: |
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...tell me about it. Kola's argument on the other thread was pretty persuasive.
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Abm
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Post Number: 5422
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:30 am: |
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Tonya,
Honestly. My ONLY real concern about what's happening in Lebanon right now is some crazy Arab mofo's gone take the shyt out on America and try to blow up a commuter train I might be riding. Other than THAT, they can blow each other all to hell for all I care.
Because, on the real, mofos die by the MILLIONS for CRAZYA$$ reasons throughout the world EVERYFRIGGINDAY. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 28
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:36 am: |
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...LMAO!! ...I feel you, bro. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2370
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:37 am: |
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TONYA, please don't tie your entire feelings about Arabs to what I feel.
Always remember...that I have a very bitter, hateful, VIOLENT set of experiences that shape my background and my UN-willingness to support my Arab brethren.
If you can be more "fair"--and escape that box, then do so, my baby girl.
I love who you are and you may be able to bring peace where I could not.
I am totally and forever TRAUMATIZED and DEFORMED and HAUNTED by the Arab, and my birth father--a pure Arab--hated them profoundly and was a Heroin addict behind it.
They did untold, mercilous things against Africa and continue to do so---because it's institutionalized now.
And they are more barbaric than any White society.
One thing I will give whites----whites are "Interested" in blacks (curious) and do evil to them out of envy and feelings of rejection (from "the time before time began" when we through them into the sea).
Arabs have NO INTEREST in blacks and despise them---because that's their real mother.
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Abm
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Post Number: 5425
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 12:47 am: |
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Kola,
I've heard or read that Israel has a bit of a color or race caste thing going on too. Is that TRUE? |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2373
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 01:01 am: |
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ABM, Israel is a WHITE nation----so of course it's true.
Olive skinned Jews are not as cherished as White Jews. The Black Ethiopian Jews are literally despised.
But as a "black woman"....I would rather live in Israel...than in Palestine, and I have lived in both.
Living in Israel is very much like living on Long Island in New York. There are some white racist Jews, but overall, I felt as though I was in a "military state" version of America.
Jewish men pursued me FREELY (although I dated only one man--a black Eritrean)...and there are Black men living there in Israel with Jewish mates as well.
In Palestine, however---I am the "sister" and the "abeed" (nigger). Islam damns my sex and Black Skin stigmatizes me on the streets--I am invisible, "tolerated". In crowds they nod to me, but in private they curse me and remind their sons---not to choose me. All because they are my children and they hate their mother. They're just Mulattoes who want to be White---and will sacrifice me at every turn. I hated living in Arab countries----other than Morocco, which CAN BE quite wonderful, actually, but Osama fucked that up. But I was a Queen in Morocco.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 29
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 01:04 am: |
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Kola,
“whites are "Interested" in blacks (curious) and do evil to them out of envy and feelings of rejection (from "the time before time began" when we through them into the sea).”
I read about this in one of Dr Francis Cress Welsing’s books. She didn’t mention a sea. But she wrote extensively about how the first white people were driven out of Africa--rejected by their black mother--which gave rise to the contempt and jealousy and hate that they feel towards us; and the lack of esteem that they have for themselves; thus their reason for treating us the way that they do. (I can’t remember the name of the book to save my life though, lol.) |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2380
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 01:17 am: |
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Phemkut...the white worm of everlasting evil (a serpent)....slithered afoot and impregnated Asli Nalla (the first human being),
thus ending "the thing before time began"---which according to Cushitic Hebrew pass-it-down was that time when our first ancestors (who were not human, but came here from the SUN) could LIVE HUNDREDS OF YEARS and could FLY.
They lived in the "garden" that our father called "The Kiss of God's Wife", but that White men named "Aithiop"...or "Ethiopia".
Asli Nalla challenged the CREATOR that she could live without her magic powers outside the garden.
She became a human when she lay on a rock and bled "the red dragon"---the first menstration and the beginning of the Human Stock.
The word Asli is an Ahmeric Ethiopian word meaning "First" and "Charcoal".
In the DOCUMENTARY "The Real Eve" you may have noticed that they used the name "Asli" at the beginning when showing the first Eves---all of whom were blue black in the documentary, but in real life were darker---they were "Charcoal".
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2381
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 01:19 am: |
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Africa and Aithiop are GREEK words meaning "black".
Africa's real name is "The Kiss of God's Wife". That is what we called our land in the Nilotic valley before the Caucasoids brought their names.
"Kush" is a Cushitic Hebrew word that means "wife's kiss", "sacred".
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 01:24 am: |
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I READ THAT SOMEWHERE TOO!! OOOH! LET ME GUESS! "FLESH AND THE DEVIL"!! RIGHT?? PLEASE TELL ME I'M RIGHT! |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 01:38 am: |
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Kola,
If the Palestines (and Arabs as a whole) so want to be White and its the White Jews who run Israel, why don't the Arabs/Muslims embrace Israel?
Is it mostly an ethnic thing or a religous one? |
Savant
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tonya, so there were no mulatto fieldhands? every mulatto worked in the big house, is that it? so i'm to believe that the "complaints" of mulatto slaves actually were taken into consideration, particularly a complaint about the supposed delicacy of their fair skin?
have you read any of the slave narratives?
what manner of revisionist history is this? |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 2382
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 01:58 am: |
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How can a Muslim embrace a JEW in the middle east, ABM?
And you saw that Dodi, an Arab Egyptian wanted to marry Princess Diana. But wanted to date IMAN on the "down low"--not "out of doors".
A Jewish man would have dated IMAN in broad daylight in public.
TONYA---it was "Long Train to the Redeeming Sin".
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:02 am: |
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Kola,
I know. Just mostly trying to tease-out the views you're expressing here.
So even though Arabs want to be White, religion trumps color.
Did Iman date Dodi on the DL...or any Jews in broad daylight? |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:04 am: |
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Kola,
If a Jew - White, Brown or Black - were to renounce his or her faith "become" become Muslim, would he or she be accepted amongst Islamic Arabs? |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:07 am: |
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No, Iman knew better than get involved with Arab Muslim men, though even Osama would have killed for her.
Religion trumps color...unless you're black.
There are Jews who have become Muslim. They are about as accepted as a woman like Mariah Carey would be accepted in the Black community as a "black wife". The MEN will accept her.
A Jewish male would never/could never do that in the middle east.
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Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:10 am: |
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Females have no power---so they can pretty much be changed into anything.
In ISLAM we have the rule of what is"captured by the right hand"----which in Islamic religion is what made it OK for Osama to have me.
Any woman of your enemy's, "Captured by the right hand"---is fair game for sexual chattel.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 32
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:12 am: |
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(((“tonya, so there were no mulatto fieldhands?”)))
Did you read my post, Savant? I said there weren't MANY. I didn't say “NONE.” And ease up off the attitude! It ain't that serious, man.
(((“so i'm to believe that the "complaints" of mulatto slaves actually were taken into consideration . . .”)))
You’re to believe whatever you like, boo. I’m only telling what I KNOW. And don’t ask me to pull no links BECAUSE I don’t roll like that. I only post links when I’m trying to shut some fool up. And I already told you. It ain’t that serious. Pull ya own.
And, no, sweetie, I haven't read the slave narratives though I purchased a copy (a book) and just haven't gotten to it yet. Thanks for the reminder.  |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:15 am: |
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((((TONYA---it was "Long Train to the Redeeming Sin".)))
Oh, okay. I knew it was one of them. I was going to guess that next. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:16 am: |
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Very true rom a British newspaper---
The Qur'an forbids a Muslim man to have sexual relations with a woman who is married to someone else, except for "those (captives) whom your right hands possess" (4:3). This is the Qur'anic term for a woman captured in warfare and kept as a slave. Thus there is nothing preventing a pious Muslim male from having, as the Indo-Asian News Service rather luridly terms Kola Boof, a "sex slave." So while it is likely that some will, or will try, to take the fact that Osama had a sex slave as evidence that he is not a fervent Muslim, in fact it establishes nothing of the sort.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:33 am: |
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Kola,
It's interesting how SELDOM the Qur'an is cited in public. At least in WESTERN media.
I'm gonna have to stop bvllshyting and read that sucker some day SOON. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:40 am: |
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ABM, got this from my publicist's email.
Kola,
Information on the "Adam Carolla" Show.
Produced by Jimmy Kimmel.
It airs M-Fr. in 10 West Coast cities---including L.A., San Diego, San Francisco, Oakland....., mornings 6 a.m. to 10 a.m.
People can listen IN on the internet through the San Francisco station:
http://www.1069freefm.com/
Kola you promised to be on at 6:20 a.m.
Adam says he will be nice to you and don't worry. The show is comedy, seuxal innuendo and pranks. If you're a good guest, then the show's Producer Jimmy Kimmel will want you on his ABC late night talk show.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:48 am: |
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Kola,
Sounds like you should be fine, then. |
Savant
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it ain't that serious? hmmmm....
i take the history of our people very seriously, particularly when it involves distortions and misconceptions.
a personal idiosyncracy, perhaps? |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:51 am: |
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Yeah.....IN FACT---I might eat his up!
I've never been given the opportunity to cut lose and be KOOL ROOM Kola before.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:54 am: |
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Kola: "I've never been given the opportunity to cut lose and be KOOL ROOM Kola before."
Oh dayam. There goes AMERICA.
Well, hey. It's been a good 230 years.
Hahahaha!!! |
Kola_boof
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LOL!!!!
ABM, I have an important meeting in the morning so I have to go to bed, but I sure look forward to seeing you, dear friend.
You keep me focused and positive just by your acceptance.
Thank you.
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Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 02:58 am: |
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Nite-nite
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Abm
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Nite, babe.
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 08:22 am: |
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((("i take the history of our people very seriously")))
It takes YOUR people's history seriously...'perhaps'. So, as far as I'm concerned, no, it ain't that serious.
((("particularly when it involves distortions and misconceptions. a personal idiosyncracy, perhaps")))
Nothing personal, babe. Not for me.
P.S., you haven't said a word to refute it *wink* |
Savant
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 27, 2006 - 09:53 am: |
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our people, tonya---people of african descent in the western hemisphere.
i am watching how the "new racism" and white supremacy circa 2006 is waging an ideological war and winning. a three-pronged ideological war waged during the latter part of the 20th century, an attempt to incite internecine antagonism and war between black men and women; a slow, steady erosion of key values and institutions (family, a reverence for learning and education) and now, an apparently successful attempt to fragment the community along spurious lines of color, complexion, parentage. drive a wedge within the african american community along color lines so that we engage in fruitless and destructive questions regarding who is black, who is "authentic", etc. and why? all because a host of white women in the 70's/80's decided to carve a safety niche for their mulatto children, coined the phrase "biracial" with its attendant ideology, the handmaidens of white supremacy intent on boosting the numbers, mindful of the shifting demographic of whites (declining numbers, flagging birthrates) and the need to create a population of "honorary whites" aligned to white supremacy.
while we are engaged in counterproductive arguments, engaged in revisionist history that undermine our unity and identity as a people, whites look on with glee, all too eager to nod agreeably as we parrot in lockstep: "light skinned blacks are less "authentic"", "biracials aren't black". so we land on an ideological mindfield that has us questioning "was frederick douglass black?" "what about dubois?" and we reconstruct and distort our own history in order to unknowingly do white folks bidding----accept uncritically the pablum they feed us, the questionable "house slave" vs "field slave" dichotomy, etc. we accept this fiction and ignore the fact that the fear of slaves poisoning massa is prescient throughout primary sources. whites were in deathly fear of their black slaves poisoning them. and just which slaves were these? the "field slaves" or the "house slaves"? who was in close proximity to 'ole massa? the so-called mulatto houseslave who had access to the food, who indeed cooked the food placed on the table? who prepared the food on the table and cut and shaved up the glass, camouflaged the poisonous herb within the meal? john hope franklin's most recent, meticulously researched work cites countless instances of so-called mulatto and quadroon slaves employing cunning means to escape slavery. read franklin's profile of the typical runaway. read the slave narratives, starting with b.a. botkin's "lay my burden down"---one of the first, if it's still in print.
there is an ideological war being waged and we are unwittingly aiding and abetting our own destruction. white supremacy's endgame will see us at each others throats, doing their bidding as we wound and kill each other over spurious nonsense.
but carry on.
let us all do massa's bidding... |
Abm
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Savant,
I'm really not a stickler for enforcing writing rules. At least not here.
But I gottah say it's a tad DIFFICULT to read a post as lengthy as your last one here that does NOT include any capitalized words. The lack of capitalization makes it appear as though you've written one confusingly HUMUNGOUS run-on sentence.
Again. Don't really wanna play English teacher. I just would like for whatever you (or anyone else) post here to be understood.
Now to address what I THINK is the point you're making: I think essentially 2 things must happen to resolve this colorism issue:
1) Those Black foks who have the most power, presence and profile - be they rich & famous and the favored lightskinned (with good hair, keen features, etc.) - will likely have to make some gestures to ACTIVELY/OPENLY assert their love for and connection with others, especially those of us who feel especially aggrieved.
2) Darkskinned Black foks are going to have to begin to wholly LOVE and CELEBRATE their darkskin, big lips and nappy hair. And that INCLUDES embracing EVERYTHING having those qualities entail.
3) Darkskinned Black foks must learn to NOT hate and resent lightskinned Black foks simply/solely because they are...lightkinned.
I believe when all those begin to occur, en masse, we're going to begin to get over the colorism issue. |
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I think it's sad in this day and age folks still are colorstruck....and this message board STAYS on the lightskin vs. darkskin bullshit.
I really don't know what to tell ya. I'm very brown and my husband is black. ***shrugs shoulders*** I could give no damn about yella, red, brown, black when it comes to Black Americans. In the white man's eyes, you'll always be a NIGGER.
I'm still not understanding exactly HOW being colorstruck is benefiting anyone? I mean really, it's not that crucial for real. Black Americans are a skittles bag of colors. You are what you are and you should love the skin you're in WITHOUT hating anyone elses. THat is so damn stupid.
Pure fuckery.
Like a mufucka is special because they're light with green eyes and that mousey brown color hair. AND? Or....you're better because you're so "afrocentric" with your locs while rocking neo soul in your CD Player. AND?
Being proud of who you are should come from within. I am NOT ashamed of my skintone. In fact I love my golden bronzed skin....as I love my hubbys smooth, dark chocolate skin. NEVER IN LIFE will I hate or try to prove how "black" I am. EVER.
Fuck outta here with that bullshyt.
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Rachel
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Sorry, I made a typo I meant to say I am very light brown.
Carry on! |
Tonya
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Savant,
I respect your view, though I disagree that we (AAs) are at war. I disagree that you and I are engaged any kind of argument, counterproductive or otherwise, also. The only thing antagonism about our discussion was your attitude (which has changed and I appreciate that).
What I stated is THE TRUTH. Not as some white man/woman presented it to me...as Dubois and Douglass themselves have told it. And let’s not forget about Wright and Baldwin and Toomer and Hughes and Hurston and Walker and Shange and Angelou and Larson and Morrison, and Thurman and Fanon…and our very own Kola Boof…and Baraka and Doip and Bambara and Delaney and Sertima and that ain’t even all of them--not even close. Not hardly. |
Abm
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Rachel,
The issue REALLY, at it's core, is less about color or even beauty.
It's really about POWER...who's perceived to have it and who's perceived to be controlled, wield and disabled by such.
As I said before, as long as Black people as a WHOLE trail whollya$$behind White foks throughout this country and about this entire planet, there will be some sort of debate about color.
Why?
Because it suit those in POWER for such to exist. |
Rachel
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^^^
You're damn right and it's a damn shame that some blacks still fill as though they need the white man's approval for shit.
I post at another board and an issue was brought up about making the board more diverse.
Uh...for what? Why the hell do blacks ALWAYS feel that we have to let others in? Can't we just have something to ourselves? The board is an intelligent one with great, thought provoking topics, profound statements and logical theories. WTF could whites do to make it any better?
If blacks realized that if they stopped spending so much damn money on grills and 26 inch rims they could REALLY do something to uplift the race! Whites NEED blacks, it's not vise versa. WE spend more than any other race in AMerica. We are the ultimate INGIT ASS CONSUMER of anything.
Democrats don't have to do SHYT to prove they're trying to make things better because most blacks will automatically vote Democrat. Make them mufuckas WORK for that vote....and stop thinking that all smiling whites are our friends.
Soooo far from the truth. |
Tonya
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Rachel,
The issue REALLY, at it's core, is less about color or even beauty.
It's really about POWER...who's perceived to have it and who's perceived to be controlled, wield and disabled by such.
As I said before, as long as Black people as a WHOLE trail whollya$$behind White foks throughout this country and about this entire planet, there will be some sort of debate about color.
Why?
Because it suit those in POWER for such to exist.
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...EXACTLY Abm. I second all of that. |
Savant
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Abm--point well taken about the lack of capitalization. I will refrain from my characteristic lower-case in the future.
Regarding your points: Many of our people who are "light-bright" etc., have shown their love for and allegiance to all of us. Light-skinned and/or white-appearing black folks have no control over their parentage or their physical features and coloring. Those among them who have been consistent and unwavering in their love for and dedication to the race should not be excoriated on the basis of something they have no control of. Certainly the old "divide and conquer" ploy of instigating and initiating an "authentic/inauthentic" divide at this juncture in our history is counter-productive and potentially disastrous. We can interrogate and contest the ideology of colorism without attacking and laying waste to those within our ranks. Because to do so could well propel us on a slippery slope that might result in a bloodbath mirroring the worst of what has been suffered on the African continent. It is not so far-fetched to suggest that the same could play out on these shores. White supremacy would gladly welcome such a purging---very much in keeping with its overall agenda. For make no mistake--the agenda is black annihilation. And we see it waged on all fronts...
We must embrace the totality of who we are as a people--the dark and the light---embrace and extol our darkskin, nappy hair and big lips without establishing a pecking-order of "blacker-than-thou", rather a hierachy that affirms and valorizes a blackness of the spirit, an undying love and devotion to our people---a people of myriad and varied beauty.
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Rachel
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EXCELLENT POST, SAVANT!!!
The house nigga/field hand mentality is getting on my damn nerves. |
Tonya
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((("The only thing antagonism about our discussion was your attitude (which has changed and I appreciate that).")))
My bad..
I meant to say: "The only thing ANTAGONISTIC about our discussion. . ." |
Savant
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I don't get it, Tonya. If you realize this---that white supremacy will never concede power....that it will morph and make minor concessions but maintain the concentration of power in white hands on a global level, despite the cooptation of people of color provided with nominal "white privilege", why then promote their agenda?
It is their intention to exacerbate the wounds of colorism. They will inflame and incite our weaknesses and our "issues" for their own purposes, just as they have sacrificed some of their white women in order to create a caste/class who will be tied ideologically to white supremacy. The sophistication of the game has reached a level of unparallelled cunning and duplicity. Global white supremacy is in the process of creating a privileged, managerial class of people of color (of all nationalities, ethnicities, etc.) under the rubric of "multiculturalism", giving the lie to the fact that racism is still extant. Witness the face of the "new racism", y'all. Our analysis is going to have to be uncommonly astute to grasp what is in the making. The ideological warfare that is now in place will have us lay waste to each other, if we are not careful. This century is pivotal---we will either survive or be annihilated (genetically, spiritually, etc.) |
Savant
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Tonya, my sista...
Beloved, witness the names that you cite. DuBois and Douglass---one a mulatto and the other having considerable "white blood". And Toomer, our gifted brotha who "passed", riddled with contradictions and Hughes, also with white forebears---one of his "biracial" ancestors stood valiantly with John Brown at Harper's Ferry. (Witness the faces of those brothas who shed their blood at Harper's Ferry. Have you seen the pictures of those black men who sacrificed their lives---the dark and the light, the "mulatto", the "pure-blood"---all pure of spirit!). Is Shange less "authentic" than Angelou? What about Larson, a mulatto and Morrison, our valiant "red" sista? Is Thurman more authentic than Fanon, who wed a white woman? Is Countee Cullen (who was gay, as was Hughes) more authentic than Angelina Weld Grimke? What about Sertima who clearly bears the mark of a fairly recent white ancestor? And which Delaney are you referencing? Beauford? Martin? the Delaney sisters?
You can't reference Dubois and Douglass and then challenge/do violence to the unity of our people based on spurious issues of hue and complexion. We are one people, forged out of the crucible of slavery and white supremacy. Our people's history is singular. We must tread with care or we will court disaster... |
Abm
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Savant,
First. I think the degree and the sufficiency of how lightskinned Black foks have extended themselves to remedy the colorism issue is quite debatable. You and I could go on ad infinitum point-counterpoint on instances where Whiter-looking Black have helped and harmed Black fidelity.
Also, I said that such gestures by lighterskinned Blacks would have to occur in CONCERT with certain things occurring amongst darkerskinned Blacks. Truly, we "Blacker" foks are in many respects as complicit in the color tumult as lighterskinned foks.
I don't think ANYONE here is advocating the establishment of a colorcoded hierarchy. I think, though, the issue remains whether and the degree to which such ALREADY exists AND whether our current social paradigm will initiate and facilitate some much needed and mutually-beneficial CHANGES, those which would thwart your more dire speculations. |
Savant
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I'm not speaking in absolutes, Abm. I rarely do that and certainly recognize that there are lightskinned black folks who have done emotional violence to our people.
I also agree wholeheartedly with your point that we "blacker" folks have been just as complicit in the colorism pathology. There is more than enough blame to go around. All of us are going to have to dig ourselves out of this morass...
Certainly my "dire speculations" aren't assuaged by discussions of "authenticity/inauthenticity". And the kind of fruitless and frankly mind-boggling debates that take place on some boards regarding whether or not a particular historical black figure was indeed "black" give me pause.
The question is what meaning does the "divide" hold if Jada Pinkett Smith has the same physical appearance as the next sista who might have the white momma? Are we to gauge the "authenticity" of our people on the basis of parentage or fidelity/affinity/dedication to black folks en masse? The celebrated "Turn-em-loose" Bruce Wright, who so rankled white folks with his stance on the bench, had a white momma. August Wilson had an absentee white daddy, yet chronicled the panaramoic and majestic beauty of our people on the American stage and exalted us all.
What I find particularly instructive is to explore just when the term "biracial" arose. When and why did it gain currency? To whose advantage? Who was in the forefront of that movement? We uncritically adopt these terms yet fail to interrogate their ideological ramifications or analyze the historical context which gave rise to them. So "biracial" trumps "mulatto" and we accept it with nary a raised eyebrow? The same folks are defining both terms. And for the same purpose, objective... |
Tonya
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Savant,
((("Beloved, witness the names that you cite.")))
That was to counter your assertion that I learned the truth about colorism/classism from white people----I never said that they were/are Authentic.
And look. I respect your view, I really do. I believe that you mean well. I just do not agree that it's all the white man's doing. I know for a fact that black people are as racist as whites...that some of them uphold white supremacy because it benefits them as members of the black community...and that people, regardless of race or color, are going to look out for their best interest, even if it interferes with others'. |
Abm
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Savant,
This can be a bit of a "Which came first: The chicken or the egg?" argument.
I'll go back to what I said; the issue is that of POWER. Perhaps the reason why some inject finer points upon whether and the degree to which one is of a particular origin is in RESPONSE to the emphasis OTHERS imbue upon such.
Is one asserting his or her heritage simply as a form of personal and familial pride? Does one do so primary to assert control over others? Or does he or she do so in response to the presumed harmful effects of others doing the same?
I think it's helpful to understand the genesis of these colorist and ethnocentric assertions in order to have a chance at reconciling them.
And I don't know who invented "biracial" or what his or her intended purpose was. But I generally believe that African Americans can be a fairly accepting and inclusive people IF/WHEN they've smartly divined that being such does not bite them in the a$$. |
Savant
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Tonya, of course it is not all the white man's doing.
There are true, real enemies among us, but all of them do not have lightskin, nor are they all "biracial". Many of them are black---"authentic" in appearance---with black spouses, no less.
Black people cannot be "racist" regardless of how complicit they are with white supremacy or how relentlessly self-promoting and self-aggrandizing. We can be prejudiced, biased, colorist, self-destructive. We can do evil to each other at the bidding of the white man and take delight in our undoing as a people. We cannot be racist, however, because we do not have access to the institutional and ideological infrastructure that buttresses global white supremacy.
And here's the kicker: many of us do the bidding of white supremacy unknowingly, innocently. We can be ever so well-intentioned---truly love our people---but the stance we assume aids and abets the agenda of white supremacy.
Why now is the most feverish and volatile debate about colorism, "biracials", etc.? Why all of a sudden is the "one-drop-rule" under attack? And why are white folks so eager to dispense with it? And we so eagerly pick up the mantle, failing to critically interrogate their motivations?
A three-pronged agenda that I once sincerely believed would never come to fruition, certainly not at the close of the 20th century: 1) the growing antagonism and estrangement of the black man and woman 2)the erosion of key black values including the strength of the extended family and the black male/female dyad as well as the traditional respect for learning, education and 3) the growing, internecine wedge taking root among us based on differences in color tone and complexion. Three extraordinarily dangerous phenomenon that have taken root in our community. And we're fueling the flames, promoting the dissension... |
Abm
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Savant,
I'm not sure I buy that "Black people cannot be 'racist'". Because it seems to me if you help to enable and maintain a racist system, you TOO are a racist, even if you are Black.
But (although I generally eschew most conspiracy theories) your "three-pronged" agrenda argument is, indeed, interesting. |
Savant
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Abm, there have always been those among us who had the white daddy. We have always been plaqued with colorism, the "my grandmomma was Cherokee with hair down her back..." litany, the "do you press/relax your hair?" interrogation on the playground. The difference was that bottom-line, we knew we were all "black". The "red/yella nigga" would lynch as good as the black one. Walter White crouched behind that couch, rifle in hand, when the white folks came hunting for them "white niggas", am I right?
A group of disgruntled white women in the late 70's and 80's decide to carve out a safety niche for their mulatto children and in doing so, lay the groundwork for the ideology of "biracial"---a new designation. Now, as to why there was an increase in interracial marriages between BM/WM predominantly during those decades, we need to explore what came prior---the decade of the 60's and what that decade was about in terms of a heightening of consciousness, despite our misteps---a pivotal decade and one that white supremacy took considerable measures to undermine, to neutralize. With the dispersal and destruction of the most troublesome and incendiary black revolutionary organizations, white supremacy set upon a new endeavor---the undermining of the nascent black-centered consciousness that had taken root in our communities. How else to do so than to proffer up the Holy Grail of white pussy?
And it worked, Abm. The last trump card of white supremacy played with cunning and deadly accuracy.
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Hey guys....good morning...you know the indigenous people of North America called...the Pale face White man...spiritless...and he called the Black African Slave...the dark skinned White man...Arabs are negative towards Jews because...Abraham's son Ishmael son of an Ethiopia mother Hagar, was cast out of Ir because Sarah was afraid of Ishmael hurting Issac...or being favored above Issac...and the color thing was not why I asked the question in the beginning of this...thread...I just wanted to know how everyone thought about it...truly no one chooses to be who or what they are...people get together and we are all the product of those unions...90% of the worlds population are people of colour, they have melena (which is life) hummmm, so if melena is life, and Jesus or yeshua is life, then GOD is BLACK....only 10% of the world's population is White...so I say THEY truly ain't ruling shyt...white is the absence of color...black is the presense of all color...now matter what they say to us...why do I think it is so F_ _ ked up for us Black fok...because the evil one is in power, and GODS children us are whom the evil one is seeking to devour...so let's Love one another, up lift one another, and be one mind with JEHOVAH... |
Abm
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Savant,
Assuming what you say about the origins of "biraciality" are true, how and why could such a malevolent plot work UNLESS there were ALREADY some serious cracks within the armour of African American solidarity? |
Savant
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The trajectory of white supremacy will up its A-game in terms of sophistication and duplicity. New ideologies will be given lip-service---"multiculturalism", "a level playing field"---"racism" will become passe, didn't you know? Old wine in new bottles, meanwhile business as usual. Make minimal concessions and insure that a class of black folks (of all colors, with key elements from the burgeoning "biracial" caste who have been throughly indoctrinated and acculturated )is accorded enough ersatz "honorary white" status to lull the most of us into believing that there is indeed a "level-playing" field. on a genetic level, whites know that an infusion of a certain amount of black blood strengthens their constitutions so no harm there, certainly. meanwhile, the systematic annihilation of black folks enmasse is underway while siphoning off the vestiges of black genetic strength. (why the interest in the human genome, folks? the inroads regarding mitochondrial DNA? newsflash: there is no such thing as disinterested science....)
Abm, all of us unwittingly "enable" a racist system, having internalized racist doctrine despite a relentless attempt to contest and dismantle racism. But to actually be racist in the surest sense of the word entails the power to manipulate and have at ones disposal a host of institutional apparatuses that can impact folks lives in real, critical ways. And we don't wield that power.
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Abm
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Savant,
I agree we all to varying degrees enable the racist status quo. But I'd only label a Black person a racist IF he or she ACTIVELY, WILLFULLY and POTENTLY supports the management of such.
For example:
@ Some might include Condi Rice amongst, perhaps, the most potent forms of Black racists.
@ However, I likely wouldn't count the Black wait and janitorial staff at the White House as racists. |
Savant
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The trajectory of white supremacy will up its A-game in terms of sophistication and duplicity. New ideologies will be given lip-service---"multiculturalism", "a level playing field"---"racism" will become passe, didn't you know? Old wine in new bottles, meanwhile business as usual. Make minimal concessions and insure that a class of black folks (of all colors, with key elements from the burgeoning "biracial" caste who have been throughly indoctrinated and acculturated. Note that this "biracial" group, for the most part does not have the ideological and cultural affinity of the mulatto of generations past. It is the white mother who is the key instrument of indoctrination and the perpetuation of white supremacy... )is accorded enough ersatz "honorary white" status to lull the most of us into believing that there is indeed a "level-playing" field. On a genetic level, whites know that an infusion of a certain amount of black blood strengthens their constitutions so no harm there, certainly. Meanwhile, the systematic annihilation of black folks en masse is underway while siphoning off the vestiges of black genetic strength and vigor. (Why the interest in the human genome, folks? The inroads regarding mitochondrial DNA? Newsflash: there is no such thing as disinterested science. To what end genetic engineering? Watch how this unfolds...)
Abm, all of us unwittingly "enable" a racist system, having internalized racist doctrine despite a relentless attempt to contest and dismantle racism. But to actually be racist in the surest sense of the word entails the power to manipulate and have at ones disposal a host of institutional apparatuses that can impact folks lives in real, critical ways. And we don't wield that power.
And yes, there were "cracks" in the armor of black solidarity---class and color fissures. Do you remember the ideological and physical warfare waged between US and the Panthers? ("Pork-chop nationalists vs. revolutionary nationalists, anyone? Y'all forgot that?) White supremacy wouldn't have been able to make such deadly inroads if there hadn't been fissures and tensions already brewing. But the point is the intent was to exacerbate, encourage and heighten to an extreme degree. And we succumbed, as we so often do....because our LOVE for each other is so tenuous.
And we're doing the same shit now---on these threads, in these forums. Wounding each other behind bullshit that is fodder for our undoing. Our "authenticity" lies within our spirits---the spirit of Harriet and Vesey, of that high-yella sista under slavery who pretended to be a white MAN in order to get her and her beloved black man out of slavery.
We dishonor our ancesters with the tenor of these discussions. And it pains me deeply... |
Tonya
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Savant wrote:
Tonya, of course it is not all the white man's doing.
There are true, real enemies among us, but all of them do not have lightskin, nor are they all "biracial". Many of them are black---"authentic" in appearance---with black spouses, no less.
Tonya responds: Agreed.
Savant:
Why now is the most feverish and volatile debate about colorism, "biracials", etc.? Why all of a sudden is the "one-drop-rule" under attack? And why are white folks so eager to dispense with it? And we so eagerly pick up the mantle, failing to critically interrogate their motivations?
A three-pronged agenda that I once sincerely believed would never come to fruition, certainly not at the close of the 20th century: 1) the growing antagonism and estrangement of the black man and woman 2)the erosion of key black values including the strength of the extended family and the black male/female dyad as well as the traditional respect for learning, education and 3) the growing, internecine wedge taking root among us based on differences in color tone and complexion. Three extraordinarily dangerous phenomenon that have taken root in our community. And we're fueling the flames, promoting the dissension...
Tonya:
Yeah. Well what were the excuses for it in the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's? Colorism Disputes are not new you know, remember the paper bag and such? It's just that, now, we are finally verbalizing them which is a good thing. It's sort of like when you hold a fart for too long, you see...once you let go, you've got a major combustion. That's probably where those fuels and flames that you're talking about are coming from. I know it sounds silly, trifling even, but I'm serious. And think about it. How else should people settle disputes? |
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Condi Rice provides a cautionary tale for us all. She is the embodiment of the face of what I call the "New Racism"--the recipient of the fruits of affirmative action, extraordinarily well educated and brilliant to boot. Condi's placement in such a position of power heralds the trajectory and future "window-dressing" of white supremacy in the 21st Century. They will co-opt our best, like Condi---many who will willingly promote the agenda of global white supremacy at the expense of our people. And lo and behold, Condi ain't yella, neither is she biracial. Although there will be those who will come after her who will be "biracial" and serve the same agenda. Just as there are those like Clarence Thomas, who physically is as "authentic" as you can get--- yet remains an incorrigible enemy of our people, as far removed from the "inauthentic" yet ideologically and culturally "black" Thurgood Marshall as you can get.
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Kola_boof
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Is anyone going to mention "The Boule", Jack and Jill Clubs, Brown paper bag "Blue Vein Societies"?
If you watch BET or attend an NAACP PARTY or look at t.v. commercials right now (where biracial children are always cast in the role of "black children"), the Mulatto and Biracials are used to reiterate White Supremacy. They act as a "buffer" to keep black people, especially black women and children who LOOK black from being seen--invisible.
People like Savant don't notice this.
Look at Rachel---claims she's so sick of all this division, but then said---you can't hate Beyonce for "making rich" by feeding White Supremacist images to millions of little black girls who can never be white, indian or latina----and shouldn't be made to WANT to be, but do want to be "blond" and "whiter" because of BEYONCE'S never-ending "messages" about blackness.
Mary J. Blige and Michael Jackson are guilty of perpetuating the same images. The CONSTANT MESSAGE IS----"it's better to be MIXED, not BLACK. Black looks are ugly, mixed looks are beautiful and more acceptable, because they're closer to white."
WHEN WILL PEOPLE LIKE SAVANT FIGHT AGAINST THAT?????
And if we who are "BLACK" and love it and want to remain true to our race....how do we fight for the humanity and identity of BLACK black people without separating from those who are....NOT LIKE US?
And let's not LIE to ourselves, folks.
You did not come here from Africa as 36 shades---nor would Mulattoes, Mixed persons, Biracials be considered "black" in a natural Black society.
It was the WHITE SLAVE MASTER who decreed that anything "touched by blackness" is defiled by it. Hence the one drop rule. The White SLAVE MASTER created the Mulatto and the Biracial/Multi-racial and he set them ABOVE the "blacks" and branded them superior. The Blacks, because they were slaves or colonized, went along with it....and were CONDITIONED thereafter to accept these mixed people as their Superiors.
So the real truth is....we are not the same people---but Mulattoes have no place else to rule, so they want to claim blackness.
Harry Belafonte could never lead a white nation--but he calls himself "black" (and lives in an all-white world---his biracial children BOTH married whites like he did) so that he can be KING over the niggerstock. Claiming that he represents "blacks" and is a "Black man".
What I see, SAVANT....are high yellow, mulatto and mixed folks LORDING OVER the true blacks and usurping their identity.
How do you expect me, an African mother, to go along with this----and why do you detest me just because I don't have the "slave mentality" that says ANYTHING can call itself by my name?
Mulattoes, biracials, mixed people are out for THEMSELVES---and they are a PART OF the White Supremacist power structure and only black when it's convenient.
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LETTER TO KOLA FROM A YOUNG
BLACK WOMAN:
And why should LIGHT SKIN be the standard of "BEAUTY" for the BLACK RACE???
Dark skin *should* be the standard of beauty within the black race. Think about that. within the BLACK race.
if the first law of nature is self preservation...why on God's multicolored earth should BLACK people not place dark skinned BLACK women at the top of the totem pole as it relates to what is considered most beautiful? there is something very much wrong with the nature of *us* that our race raises up light skinned women as the standard of black beauty. the world sees that we do this, and i beleive in my heart that this a major reason is why we are not respected as a race.
if they can not love themselves..it is eviddence that they are unlovable..not respectable
look..i am not what is commonly considered "dark skinned" by other black people. i am Chaka Khan, Toni Braxon colored. and yet, i am perfectly OK with being told "you should not be the held as the standard of our beauty" the Alek Weks, and the Grace Jones' are to be our *standard* doesn't mean..you don't have beauty...but you are not representative of the pinnacle in black beauty.
so if i'm ok with this...why shouldn't lighter skinned women be? i have my theories...but for now, i'll leave them in my head where they are.
**Now how can you all continue this conversation on COLOR until all these questions are answered---and why are you so afraid to "get blacker"?
Why are the Yellows/Biracials/Mixies HOLDING ON to their Light Skin and Slick Hair....if they are so BLACK????
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Abm
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Savant,
How do you inspire one to love oneself WITHOUT acknowledging what he or she is?
What do you do when what you are is very different from that which is glaringly celebrated at each/every turn?
What do you do when those whom you want to love and embrace buttress the very notions and philosophies that reject who and what you are?
Then how do you prepare you CHILD to survive and to thrive in such a world? |
Abm
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Savant,
Indeed.
It's often the lightest of Black foks who most ardently seek to prove themselves to be Black.
And often it's the darkest of Black foks who most utterly succumb to White supremacy.
PS: Though, ironically, both sell-out Clarence and fight-the-power Thurgood had/have non-Black wives. *shrugs* |
Kola_boof
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Thurgood Marshall isn't fighting any POWER, ABM.
He wants EXCHANGE---not change. He wants his place in the system where he can be an "honorary" white man, but fellowship with blacks.
And notice how none of these famous black people want to give birth to BLACK CHLDREN????
How can you all be so BLIND?
You just glance over that like it's nothing at all.
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Savant
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Kola, who is promoting and perpetuating a certain image of "Blackness" in the media? Who greenlights these commercials and deliberately pairs a darker brotha with a "biracial" appearing sista? To what end? To whose purpose?
Challenging and contesting colorism involves striking a deathblow to those who profit from it and are deliberately promoting it. It is white supremacy that stands to profit from the infighting that is fast spiralling out of control.
No, Kola, we did not come here fiddy-leven different hues but the widespread rape of black women brought forth the range in phenotype that marks African Americans. And I'm sure that you, Kola, of all people, know that we have never forsaken or turned our backs on our blood. The fruit of our womb is our blood, regardless of hue. (Ironically, the "one-drop-rule" served to pivot and slap the white man on his ass by providing a basis for unity in the black community that transcended color, hue, complexion, parentage. Why is the white man circa 2006 so eager to dispense with the "one-drop-rule" all of a sudden?)
What are we to do with our kinfolk, Kola? We span the light and the dark---all from the same mother. Our history in this country has not been the same as yours, Beloved. I feel your rage and your anger ---much of what you say I agree with. But we cannot undo our history in this wretched hemisphere. We are who we are---a new people of African descent whose face does not always mirror yours.... |
Kola_boof
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Someone explain to me---
How does a "Black" person not want Black Children?
And why are there SO MANY like this? The majority in fact.
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Kola_boof
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SAVANT:
And I'm sure that you, Kola, of all people, know that we have never forsaken or turned our backs on our blood.
KOLA:
BULLSHIT!!!
You turned your backs on those Blue Black WOMEN in the 1920's...the ones that you BRED off the planet so you could be lighter!
You erected goddamned institutions that DISALLOW "black"-looking black women to this day.
Why is it I go to an NAACP function and every single Black man in there has a wife who looks like a goddamned Arab or an Octorooon????
WHY IS THAT, SAVANT??????
Lightskinned Black Americans have ALWAYS...ALWAYS prohibited the "presence" of a Black BLACK woman and right along WITH the Slave Master----you taught Darker blacks (MY CHILDREN) that they could be "o.k." if only they'd breed lighter, if only they'd conk their hair. Just the other day---Mzuri, and a few other "yellow" people----were lamenting how GROSS/Unnatural/Disgusting it is for Jaime Foxx to kiss Fantasia.
In other words----if they got rid of their "black nappyheaded ass ol mama" they'd be mov'n UP.
That bitch ass Walter White at the NAACP offered up "Lena Horne" as the answer to Hattie McDaniel.
Well why not a woman who looked like Angela Bassett? Why did it have to be a damned IMITATION White woman when 90% of the blacks in this country in 1940 could pass for West Africans?
How do you explain that away???
BLACK PEOPLE are often the ones perpetuating these "colorist" images that we see in the media....
And get one thing straight---there are some YELLOW folks that I see as "black people". We have Yellow/orange/crepe/reds that I consider "Black"....
But not Vin Diesel, not Mariah Carey, not Jennifer Beales, not Nicole Richie's white ass....this shit is getting WAAAAAY out of hand.
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Savant
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Kola, we are being assaulted with media images that are promoting our annihilation. On an ideological level, "black" is hated (I have a gut sense that the black man is feared but the black woman is detested) thus every attempt is being waged to eradicate "blackness" from the face of the earth. The problem is that genetically they cannot survive without vestiges of black genes encoded into their system. Thus we witness the promotion and encouragement of interracial unions between black men and white women primarily. (White men desire the physiognomy of the black male and will attempt to derive it through crossbreeding over time.)
Because of this agenda of global white supremacy---eradication/annihilation of black life and blackness on all fronts---any dissension that can erode what vestiges of unity we have will be leapt upon and attacked viciously. It is because we are so wounded that we are so vulnerable and so prone to these dangerous tendencies.
Kola, when I say that "we have never forsaken or turned our back on our own blood", I mean that as a people we have not shunned or banished any child that issued forth from a black womb, regardless of how that child was conceived or what color that child bore. |
Abm
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Savant,
I think, to some degree, a wise Black person views himself not only as whole individual solely unto, for and about him or herself; but ALSO as a part of a movement or continuum of humanity.
From that perspective, one should then consider the following:
@ Which direction should a people and society go?
@ Are we currently moving in such a direction?
@ And am I helping to effect what I presume to be that most desired destiny?
I think if you to a degree embrace and assert that perspective of life, you can find solace both within what and where you are right now on this planet and, perhaps, what your future and progeny will be.
Kola,
I hear you. But, if I were unaware of where Thurgood REALLY stood, I wouldn't have mentioned the race of his wife to begin with.
I agree Marshall (and Belafonte) could NOT have had complete love and admiration for Blackness via his mating choice. |
Kola_boof
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SAVANT---
let me back up and apologize.
Because it is dawning on me that you feel "rejected" by me.
I don't mean to do that.
I realize that even if your skin is yellow---you are my blood and my husband,son,father.
I worship Malcolm X, who was called "Red Rooster" in my land.
I am not rejecting "YOU".
I am just upset that my very chocolate handsome sons...are teased by the Biracial kids at their school for having "African hair" and "cocoa skin". WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE--because they are "BLACK" men.
I want the society to CHANGE.
I'm tired of seeing every movie feature a high yellow woman as a "beautiful black woman"----as if "I" don't exist. I can't accept that message, because it is ALSO part of white supremacy, and I do not feel that Creole women represent the beauty of "BLACK" women. That's two totally different looks.
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Schakspir
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Kola keeps on whining and whining and whining and whining and whining about mulatoes, as if they run America's racist institutions. Well, I have news for you. They don't. In fact, they don't control anything--whether in North or South America, or Europe, or the Middle East, or Asia. If one seriously wants to defeat white supremacy, one would necessarily go to the heart of the matter, which is--white supremacists. ALSO NOTE THAT SOME PURE BLACKS ARE THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF WHITE SUPREMACISM, AND YES, MANY OF THOSE ARE FEMALES. |
Kola_boof
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Schakspir,
You're not willing to have TRULY "Black" children and we all know that.
A BLACK black woman can't be YOUR woman---oh yeah, because you---have no power.
Which is why YOUR REMARKS are taken with a grain of salt.
You're just like your goddamned father.
TALKING BLACK but getting lighter with each generation...ON PURPOSE.
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Kola_boof
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And bottom line---I won't be ruled by Mulattoes, nor none of my children.
EVER.
That's for niggers.
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Savant
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Kola, Beloved...
There is no need to apologize.
I feel no sense of personal rejection because I intuitively sense that you have a fierce love for our people.
Neither is my skin tone--be it dark or light--the impetus for the stance that I assume on this issue. My position does not issue forth from any personal "complexes" or "issues" but from a critical examination of a trend that disturbs me greatly and a harbinger of things to come---a deliberate attempt to fragment/cleave the black community along color lines, with potentially disastrous and fatal consequences. |
Tonya
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Abm, whew! Thanks.
I was headed for an intellectual SMAAACKDOWWWWN, jack! If not for you (and Kola) I would have had to change my screen name.....to Charles.
...Good looking out, bro.
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Abm
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Tonya,
Well, uh, I didn't know I was doing any good deed. I was just expressing my opinion.
But, okay: You're welcome! |
Rachel
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Aiight Kola...I seen my name being typed by ya long fingers so let me clear this up, dearie....
....You damn right I'm sick of the ignit ass color division. It's stupid as hell and no matter what shade of brown you are, you are still a NIGGER to whites. I give no fuck about them putting lighter skin blacks on tv to appeal to their kind.
At the end of the day to a peckawood, ya black. At the end of the day TO ME....ya black. My point was all this harping about who's beautiful, who's better LS VS. DS...I mean...who gives a fuck? Me saying that Beyonce is a white barbie doll has nothing to do with me hating on her color or her ability to whore herself. I was just making a observation. If she was as black as a damn skillet...I'd STILL DAY SHE WAS A WHITE BARBIE DOLL because her skin tone ain't the issue...it's her actions and mind. If she a hoe, she'd be one whether she was pastey cracka white or sooting midnight black AND YOU KNOW THIS.
Hell, you yourself KOLA WHORED YOURSELF and I don't hate on you....and if I did it wouldn't be something as trivial and petty as the shade of ya damn brown skin.
All the other topics meshed into this...I'm not talking about. I'm talking about blacks, that think they're some how better because they're lighter...or darker when in fact you're just a black person.
hell, a rose is just a damn rose. |
Kola_boof
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Rachel,
I could give a fuck about what WHITE PEOPLE SEE...what WHITE PEOPLE DECIDE....that's for plantation descendents like you.
I said NOTHING about you calling Beyonce a white barbie doll--------can you read?
I said that you excused the images she presents to little black girls by giving the STANDARD NEGRO EXCUSE---"we can't hate on her because she's making bank".
I don't agree with that bullshit.
Little black girls shouldn't be made to feel that they have to sew blond horse hair in their heads and put in fake blue eyes (ala Mary J. Blige) just to be attractive----and women like Mary J., Beyonce and OTHERS shouldn't perpetuate such.
I don't believe in "WHORES"---but yes, I've owned up PUBLICLY to any and everything I've ever done in my life, and you may as well be on notice, that I have no SHAME about anything I've ever done---so you might as well be putting on lipstick when you say "WHORED".
And the fact remains...what YOU think is "Black" is because you're an American and a former slave--and because of how you see things--your progeny is likely to FADE and become less and less black, because you don't truly understand or respect the humanity of "Black People" to begin with.
What I think is "Black"...is because I'm an African and know better.
And your white slave master can't tell me SHIT!
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Rachel
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Yes, I read quite well, Ms. Boof. I read you LOUD AND CLEAR and right now you're PROJECTING.
Stop it, with the quickeness.
No little black girls shouldn't be made to feel like they need to look more white. Fuck what the media says, that should be done with the parents instilling pride in their child. EVERYTHING STARTS AT HOME. You train a child up, instill positive things into that child he/she will have a healthy self image.
FUCK THE SHADE. You are too colorstruck on the shade...like I said, you're projecting. You're bitter because ya Arab Egyptian grandmother rejected you because of your skin color and probably for the most part of your life YOU saw it as a hinderance....so you look at everyone else and spout off your McCarthy like rantings about BLACK BLACK folks, mulla-mutts, etc.
And about you being African....so what? Baby, I don't have a white slave master...YOU did...you fucked his white ass every night like a belly warmer, got preggers with a MUTT and aborted it. YOU NEEDED WHAT HE COULD PROVIDE FOR YOU...JUST LIKE A DAMN SLAVE.
Living in a glass house, you should be careful where you hurl you stones, chick.
So how the fuck can you judge anyone? Damn you and your AFricaness....because that means SHIT when your ass is lusting, living and behaving just like the rest of the NIGGERSTOCK you detest.
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Kola_boof
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I have just one question for you Rachel.
What are YOU gone do about Miss Kola Boof, BITCH?
On what Holiday are you gone kick my motherfucking ass? You cotton mouthed.....MOUSE!
After all I've been through in life....
you really think I'm sitting up worrying
about some insecure brokedown
WhYY-N-CH with
a rolling neck and TIME to study MY life
when she ought to be living her own?
Open your Bible right now to the part where GOD decreed:
---THOU SHALT NOT FUCK WITH KOLA!!!
FUCK YOU and AMEN!!!
And the next time I fuck General McCarthy I'll be sure and call your name while he's
licking my asshole.
Got-damned Syphilis-brained lop-tittied
milk-breath Nugget-Y-nigga bitch!
GET A MOTHER AND START OVER!
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Kola_boof
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Oh, and your mother is the "Chick"---
she laid your stank ass after all.
Now go for your midnight walk:
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Rachel
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Uh...you need to chill you ugly ass bitch.
LOL @ you thinking hideous pic of you is cute. Hoe you look like a black Rocky Dennis....Mask face trout mouth dookey ass trick.
Do you have that bone disease like Andre the Giant? Hoof and Mouth disease having LUSTING SKANK...your bone structure in your face looks damn near deformed, lol. Are you sure your mammy was a Somali princess or a damn HORSE?
At any rate, you dirty, nasty ass sasquatch....you THINK more of yourself than what you are, lol. Why don't you do use all a favor, Rocky...fly on down to Sudan with ya ashy neck ready.
BTW...I wouldln't touch you with Jesus' fingers, hoe. No TELLING how much white man's nut done seeped out of your asscrack onto your unwashed, slingshot, funny shaped body that you haven't washed off IN YEARS.
Yousa fat ass, UGLY ASS BITCH that double talks and hates her very essence....and you KNOW THIS.
KICK YOUR ASS? LOL...for a hoe that claims to have gone through so much...you sure have meltdowns easily. MUST BE THAT MUTT STOCK...blame ya mammy.
Toodles...till later
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Rachel
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BTW, you lunatic ass troll hoe....I must have touched a nerve....good. You need some of your own truth thrown back at that hard ass BRICK FACE.
LOL. |
Kola_boof
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OK, Rachel. I'm an Ugly Horse-looking SHREW who's just jealous of you and needs a good a good telling out to set me straight.
Now step.
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Lil_ze
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rachel, you are my kind of woman. everything you have said about this ugly dog is true.
a hypocrite of the first sort. such a "proud african", who sleeps with, and gets impregnated by the WHITE MAN, and then has the nerve to get on this board and talk to our people like we need to be taught something.
rachel keep up the good work. atleast you have the ability to see through the lies and jealousy of this "proud african". |
Brownbeauty123
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So anywho, is Beyonce mixed? |
Savant
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Laila Ali is more "mixed" than Beyonce...
whatever that means. |
Brownbeauty123
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They're BOTH mixed. What's your point? |
Savant
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Rosa Parks was "mixed" too...
So was Malcolm X.
Malcolm's mother was even "whiter" than Tina Knowles, am I right? |
Brownbeauty123
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Have you reached your point yet? |
Schakspir
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Kola: Schakspir,
You're not willing to have TRULY "Black" children and we all know that.
A BLACK black woman can't be YOUR woman---oh yeah, because you---have no power.
Which is why YOUR REMARKS are taken with a grain of salt.
You're just like your goddamned father.
TALKING BLACK but getting lighter with each generation...ON PURPOSE.
Schakspir: you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Speak of the devil, anyways--you've been shacking up with Julio, the motherfucking lawn boy, and now here you are ranting your ass off(again, again, again)about making pure chocolate babies. African children don't need a nutty motherfucker like you, who posts pictures of her filthy ass on message boards, rearing them....If I knew that you were my mom, I would call the cops. |
Kola_boof
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Well when are YOU going to take me out on a date, Schakspir????
And I'm a very good mother! How dare you.
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Schakspir
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BTW, this thread is totally idiotic!!!!!! |
Savant
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Is Nona Gaye "mixed"? |
Brownbeauty123
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Hmmm...what do you think? |
Lil_ze
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my question is why the hell are so many of you worried about who is "mixed" and who is not? who cares.
brownbeauty, do you think about anything else other than your african idol "the liar-kola boof", or who is light skin or who is "mixed"?
some of us relly need to get past these non-issues. |
Savant
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Is Phylicia Rashad "mixed"? Or just her sister Debbie Allen? |
Savant
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Well, Brownbeauty, Nona's mother is just as "mixed" as Beyonce's. In fact, Nona's mother is more "mixed" since Nona's mother is biracial.
So I guess that makes Nona more "mixed" than Beyonce or Laila Ali? |
Savant
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Is the writer J. California Cooper "mixed"? She certainly looks it to me.
What about Nikki Giovanni? Sonia Sanchez? Angela Davis? Kathleen Cleaver?
Was Brotha Huey Newton "mixed"? What about Elaine Brown?
What about Louis Farrakhan? Is he "mixed"?
Hell, for that matter---what about the Honorable Elijah Muhammed? |
Brownbeauty123
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They're BOTH mixed if they're from the same bloodline. Do you think Phylicia and Debbie are supposed to be carbon copies of one another ? Mixed ppl can come out looking more or less like anything...
"Well, Brownbeauty, Nona's mother is just as "mixed" as Beyonce's. In fact, Nona's mother is more "mixed" since Nona's mother is biracial.
So I guess that makes Nona more "mixed" than Beyonce or Laila Ali?"
Why you keep comparing all of these mixed people together like they're all supposed to look the same or something?
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Brownbeauty123
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"Is the writer J. California Cooper "mixed"? She certainly looks it to me.
What about Nikki Giovanni? Sonia Sanchez? Angela Davis? Kathleen Cleaver?
Was Brotha Huey Newton "mixed"? What about Elaine Brown?
What about Louis Farrakhan? Is he "mixed"?
Hell, for that matter---what about the Honorable Elijah Muhammed?"
Who pissed in your cheerios? |
Savant
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Is Muhammed Ali "mixed"? Was Joe Louis?
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Brownbeauty123
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Have you ever heard of *google*? |
Savant
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Have you ever heard of "tongue-in-cheek"? |
Lil_ze
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has anyone heard of the same thing over and over again? what the hell is the point of all this? someone please explain how it is relevant who is "mixed" or not? how f*cking stupid!!!!!
whats supposed to happen when you find out who is mixed? is someone going to take away their "black status card". agian, whats the point of all this? |
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