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Fortified
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What does black look like? Is there a true definition of blackness in the esthetic sense or a broad spectrum. Africa has the greatest genetic diversity of all the continents, yet some of us want to put a stringent definition of what blackness looks like.
For example, we tend to assume that a black person with slanted eyes are mixed with East Asian in their ancestry, however members of the Tembu clan (I hate the word tribe) in South Africa (e.g., Nelson Mandela) have slanted-type eyes.
Then there is the issue with complexion, largely determined by genes controlling melanin expression. There are Native Africans with natural complexions comparable to bi-racials in North America.
Then what does 'black' look like? |
Abm
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Fortified,
It depends upon which Black foks you are referring to. For the most part, African Americans are descents of natives of Western Africa, and to a lesser degree Southern Africa. There certainly is some variety amongst Western and Southern Africa.
Now, I could be wrong about this: But doubt if they're are many NATIVE people from those African regions who look like Alicia Keys and Beyonce Knowles (especially when you add the plastic surgery and hair extensions). |
Urban_scribe
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Fortified wrote:
What does black look like?
This question presumes that Black is consistently defined throughout the world, at all times, as it is defined in America. Neither Black nor White is consistenly defined world-wide; nor can they be.
Using the Alicia Keys and Beyonce Knowles examples, in many places outside the USA neither would be viewed as Black, as it is defined in America. |
Fortified
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Post Number: 178
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 11:55 am: |
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Abm:
Now, I could be wrong about this: But doubt if they're are many NATIVE people from those African regions who look like Alicia Keys and Beyonce Knowles (especially when you add the plastic surgery and hair extensions).
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LOL! LOL! I'm talking about naturally without the enhancements. I have met Nigerian women who are as light as Beyonce and are not of mixed race (due to varied melanin expression).
U_S wrote:
This question presumes that Black is consistently defined throughout the world, at all times, as it is defined in America. Neither Black nor White is consistenly defined world-wide; nor can they be.
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This is true. However on this board, there seems to be a distinction among black folks based on esthetic. Why is that? |
Abm
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Urban_scribe,
Exactly.
For African Americans, Black is at least as much a social contruct as it is a geneological one (if not more so). That's why here a person can have only one Black grandparent yet still be considered Black. Elsewhere, such a rationale does/would not apply.
All,
But let's be clear: Race mixing is NOT the issue. The issue really is whether and how much one's appearance approximates the caucasian gives one advantages over others who's appearance is closer that of native West and Southern African. |
Urban_scribe
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Fortified,
Don't start me to lying! I have no idea. But if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say a lot of it stems from upbringing. That's not to say that any of us were raised wrong; as I have no way of knowing such things. However, it is to say that many of us have been misinformed throughout our formative years. That is evident. |
Fortified
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^^^^^And there's no denying it does. But are we solely at fault for this? How do we, ourselves, undo the social conditioning of "lighter is better" or "darker is better" and embrace our diversity as is? Surely we can't wait for the media to do this... |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 12:03 pm: |
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Fortified,
Sure melanin anomalies span the globe. But I wager the VAST majority of native, pure-bred Nigerian women are NOT lightskinned. |
Yukio
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I would say that it depends on time and place. Much of it is a social construct, because it is difficult to separate color and features from societal perceptions...
I see Beyonce, for example, as clearly black others may not. Mine is based on how this country has lynched, murdered, segregated, etc...people Beyonce's complexion [let me say before the color conscious police attack me that I am certain that dark skinned maybe the victims of the same more than someone's Beyonce's complexion/this, of course, doesn't change the main point does it. For within the range of blackness...the lightest black person will be lynched before the darkest white person] AND that within one family you can have a range of colors and these people do not exclude certain family members as less black [or authentic]because they are of lighter skin.
This range of color, as I see it, doesn't determine who is black or authentic looking. Like someone has already mentioned, I have met Nigerians and Ghanians who are light skinned and have presumed that I was one of them. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 12:35 pm: |
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ABM....it don't think its an anomoly. It often depends on region...we assume that all Africans are blue-black when they are a range of dark browns [yes some blue-black] and have a range of features, some within socalled european lips and nose.... |
Kola_boof
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I am from Africa....and you're FULL OF SHIT Yukio.
You leave out the fact that EUROPEANS and ARABS have raped, lynched, enslaved and created "half caste" people all over Africa.
When you see women in Africa who are as light as Beyonce---that is EXACTLY what you are seeing. You are not seeing a "Black" woman, but a Half-Caste.
But since America has so thoroughly taught you that YOU are inferior and that "blackness" by itself is inferior---you move heaven and earth to place your MASTER'S sperm in front of your own.
How could someone with so much intelligence not know better? You're nothing but an AGENT for your Master's LIE.
And it's extremely tragic how the majority of you will do anything---tell yourself any lie imaginable---to make an excuse for why YOU can't be black.
Lynching, murder and segregation DID NOT create Beyonce, The Rock, Vin Diesel, Alicia Keyes-----black people's self-hatred did. Their hatred for children who look ALL BLACK and their desire to be mixed and to live vicariously through mixed children.
The whole onion of white supremacy that Black people have embraced and embedded in their own psyche is exactly what you exault. You will NEVER be any good to black people until you can acknowledge our bastardization and the FACT that it is preferred to our natural looks.
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Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 01:17 pm: |
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Interesting question. But I'm sure some poster will emotionally argue their personal definition of what someone black is "supposed" to look like (according to their own personal taste and politics) without any regards to modern scientific and anthropological genealogical facts. Standby.....
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Kola_boof
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Ntfs:
Interesting question. But I'm sure some poster will emotionally argue their personal definition of what someone black is "supposed" to look like (according to their own personal taste and politics) without any regards to modern scientific and anthropological genealogical facts. Standby.....
Kola:
That's exactly what people like YOU and Yukio always do--because you're YELLOW people trying to make excuses as to why you can't/won't get blacker--but want to be considered just as black as the Authentic Black People.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 01:33 pm: |
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Kola,
I agree.
I mean, sure there could be SOME small percentage of native Black foks who are light in pigmentation. But there's no way in hell I'm going to buy there being an material percentage of NATURALLY lightskinned native Africans. Unless they are, as you say, "Half-caste".
And I agree we need to start trying to construct some reality simply to make us feel better ourselves within this Eurocentric world. |
Kola_boof
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ABM,
What "MEN" like Yukio and Nfts don't seem to respect....is that I am an African mother.
I have been taught that I am a "wombbearer" and "motherseed" of the Tulat. My will becomes the "bloodberry".
I am literally FIGHTING for the existence of my "black babies"---my God Given African children with black skin and AFRICAN hair--not "good" hair, but "God's" hair---AFRICAN hair.
I have aborted a white man's baby inside me---because it wasn't by a black man, and my BIRTH father told me to have no children but by a Black man!
They ignore that my own father was a White Arab and that I don't want anymore of this destruction and desecration of my continent or my people.....or of Black Americans (who are mine, too) for that matter. We have been bastardized and programed to self-destruct enough.
But this is the problem with mulattoes.
This is how NORTH AFRICA (where I am from) was totally bastardized and destroyed by INVADING BLOOD.
From one side of their mouths they decree that they are Black and Proud-----but then they don't want to be black or have African hair. They want to ignore and make invisible....the true Africans.
What they should do...is designate another race for them, as we are not the same people anymore.
I feel absolutely NOTHING but "distrust" for Jennifer Beales and Vin Diesel. I don't want Tiger Woods for my son!
I want Denzel and Malcolm. BLACK men.
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Abm
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I meant "...we need to STOP trying to..." |
Kola_boof
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And I don't care how "yellow" Malcolm X was---no need to remind me----the fact is, he endeavored to become Blacker and he said it PUBLICLY.
He's mine.
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Schakspir
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"I am from Africa....and you're FULL OF SHIT Yukio.
You leave out the fact that EUROPEANS and ARABS have raped, lynched, enslaved and created "half caste" people all over Africa.
When you see women in Africa who are as light as Beyonce---that is EXACTLY what you are seeing. You are not seeing a "Black" woman, but a Half-Caste.
But since America has so thoroughly taught you that YOU are inferior and that "blackness" by itself is inferior---you move heaven and earth to place your MASTER'S sperm in front of your own.
How could someone with so much intelligence not know better? You're nothing but an AGENT for your Master's LIE.
And it's extremely tragic how the majority of you will do anything---tell yourself any lie imaginable---to make an excuse for why YOU can't be black.
Lynching, murder and segregation DID NOT create Beyonce, The Rock, Vin Diesel, Alicia Keyes-----black people's self-hatred did. Their hatred for children who look ALL BLACK and their desire to be mixed and to live vicariously through mixed children.
The whole onion of white supremacy that Black people have embraced and embedded in their own psyche is exactly what you exault. You will NEVER be any good to black people until you can acknowledge our bastardization and the FACT that it is preferred to our natural looks."
Spoken like a true half-caste herself!
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Schakspir
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 05:26 pm: |
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"This is how NORTH AFRICA (where I am from) was totally bastardized and destroyed by INVADING BLOOD.
From one side of their mouths they decree that they are Black and Proud-----but then they don't want to be black or have African hair. They want to ignore and make invisible....the true Africans."
Much of North Africa, especially Libya, was light-skinned even in ancient times. Egyptians, who were black, depicted Libyans as white-skinned. |
Grind
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They ignore that my own father was a White Arab and that I don't want anymore of this destruction and desecration of my continent or my people.....or of Black Americans (who are mine, too) for that matter. We have been bastardized and programed to self-destruct enough.
Kola,
If you're really worried about further bastardizing blacks, the best thing that you, as a mulatto, can do is to breed with your fellow mulattoes and NOT breed with blacks.
I want Denzel and Malcolm. BLACK men.
Funny that you name two very OBVIOUSLY mixed guys as examples of your ideal "black men." If I didn't know better, I might think Kola the pro black mulatto was really a mulatto supremacist in disguise, a la Farrakhan, Elija Muhammad, et al.
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Kola_boof
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But of course----you would never know that "I" was a mulatto if I didn't tell you I was.
And therein lies all that's important.
As the Africans decree: "It's the part that's SHOWING that we trust."
And my father would only marry a CHARCOAL woman, because he wanted "Black" SONS.
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Kola_boof
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I will fight...to the death...for the BLACKS.
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Serenasailor
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My father was the exact same way Kola. He himself is a very light-skinned, half-white looking man who wanted black children so much that he married my mother and charcoal black woman. My grandmother(his mother) hates my mother and we all know why. My parents were from the "deep south" (Atlanta). In the south light-skinned blacks and dark-skinned blacks did not mix. Your light-skinned blacks set up there own schools, churches, and social clubs just for them.
And Denzel a mixed guy. Grind I think you need to clean your glasses my brotha. There is nothing mixed about Denzel. Granted, he is not as authentic looking as Seal. But he is authentic non the less.
Now Malcolm X was mixed and he admitted it. However, he strived to be Blacker by marrying and having children with an authentic Black woman.
So Grind your arguments do not "fly". |
Grind
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But of course----you would never know that "I" was a mulatto if I didn't tell you I was.
So what. There are Polynesians with brown skin and nappy hair who I would probably mistake for American blacks if I saw them walking down the street. That doesn't make them people of African descent.
And anyway, you know damn well that mulattoes of your phenotype in Sudan don't consider themselves of the same stock as unmixed black Africans. The differences between them and "authentic" blacks are VERY salient in their minds, as well as the minds of unmixed black Sudanese for that matter.
So all you're telling me is that American blacks are too ignorant to identify mulattoes of your phenotype.
And therein lies all that's important.
Wrong. Race (in the tribal sense) to me is about COMMON DESCENT. HALF of your ancestors are ARABS, sista. |
Yukio
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I am from Africa....and you're FULL OF SHIT Yukio.
Slow ya roll! I'm not as naive as others who assume that everything that comes from an African about Africans or blacks people is correct! Thats actually foolish fool!
Dare I say, this website is predominantly African American, and we don't even think the same about color and race!
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Kola_boof
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But what are you going to DO about Kola Grind????
And Serena--thanks for "getting it".
We have to start SOMEWHERE.
The important thing is that Africa and "Black People" shall not perish.
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Yukio
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The worse part, as usual, you foolishly assign entire beliefs to people without them having ever saying anything...
Let me breakdown what I said to ABM:
ABM....it don't think its an anomoly. This should be self explanatory, right? It means I aint sure!
Then I said:
It often depends on region...we assume that all Africans are blue-black when they are a range of dark browns [yes some blue-black] and have a range of features, some within socalled european lips and nose....
I said a range of dark brown...I didn't say anything about folk beyonce color...the first sentence that where I wasn't addressed that issue. I was differentiating blue-black folk from dark brown folk like Denzel and still brown but lighter Gabriel Union.
Anyways, you and I have done this before. I don't accept your notion of blackness, and you don't accept mine. Thats that!
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Kola_boof
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No---you're right, YUKIO. I am an African, and I don't accept your notion of "blackness" and you don't accept mine.
But mine is more reflective of what people in Africa, overall, feel...and it's also more reflective of what your ancestors believed when they arrived in this country 500 years ago.
YOU are the anomaly. Not me.
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Grind
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And Denzel a mixed guy. Grind I think you need to clean your glasses my brotha. There is nothing mixed about Denzel. Granted, he is not as authentic looking as Seal. But he is authentic non the less
Serena, bro, how are you defining "authentic?" Washington would definitely stand out in a crowd of unmixed west Africans. |
Kola_boof
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And I reiterate:
I am from Africa....and you're FULL OF SHIT Yukio.
You leave out the fact that EUROPEANS and ARABS have raped, lynched, enslaved and created "half caste" people all over Africa.
When you see women in Africa who are as light as Beyonce---that is EXACTLY what you are seeing. You are not seeing a "Black" woman, but a Half-Caste.
But since America has so thoroughly taught you that YOU are inferior and that "blackness" by itself is inferior---you move heaven and earth to place your MASTER'S sperm in front of your own.
How could someone with so much intelligence not know better? You're nothing but an AGENT for your Master's LIE.
And it's extremely tragic how the majority of you will do anything---tell yourself any lie imaginable---to make an excuse for why YOU can't be black.
Lynching, murder and segregation DID NOT create Beyonce, The Rock, Vin Diesel, Alicia Keyes-----black people's self-hatred did. Their hatred for children who look ALL BLACK and their desire to be mixed and to live vicariously through mixed children.
The whole onion of white supremacy that Black people have embraced and embedded in their own psyche is exactly what you exault. You will NEVER be any good to black people until you can acknowledge our bastardization and the FACT that it is preferred to our natural looks.
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Grind
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But mine is more reflective of what people in Africa, overall, feel...
What about Sudanese mulattoes, like you? They sure don't consider themselves to be the same stock as unmixed black Africans. And you know this! |
Prettybabygirl
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RIGHT ON KOLA! |
Prettybabygirl
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Grind, it seems to me that Kola's fight against "Mulatto Sudanese" has been one of her most vicious.
Are you going to ignore that fact in trying to win a losing argument?
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Grind
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Grind, it seems to me that Kola's fight against "Mulatto Sudanese" has been one of her most vicious.
Are you going to ignore that fact in trying to win a losing argument?
Prettybabygirl,
What losing arugment? No one has refuted a single point that I have made. Kola is full of shit on this matter. She would have you believe that people "all over Africa" consider dark mulattoes (like her) to be of the same "race" as unixed black Africans, when she knows that where she comes from, no one (except Arabs) believes this. |
Kola_boof
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Kola Boof is a MULATTO:
But also the HIGHEST RANKING WOMAN
in the SPLA....not the "Arab" side of
the SUDANESE War.
Queen Kola
Originally called "Agent Nya Miuokda" by her SPLA commanders, Boof was later dubbed "Agent Queen Kola" and worked spy missions and channeled weapons to Commanders Athor and Yaka's camps in Buoth, Waniek and Pariang. Though "sexism" and political disagreements have at times strained Boof's relationship with the SPLA (in 2002 they had a falling out over Boof's glamorous "public" spectacles in the U.S. and U.K.), Kola Boof remains a member of the SPLA and documented her work for the organization in her 2006 autobiography, "Diary of a Lost Girl". Ms. Boof's poem "Chol Apieth" was used to memorialize SPLA founder/leader John Garang at his state funeral in 2005.
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Grind
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But also the HIGHEST RANKING WOMAN
in the SPLA....not the "Arab" side of
the SUDANESE War.
Kola,
And I certainly applaud you for that. But just because John Brown fought and died to free black slaves doesn't make him black, does it? |
Kola_boof
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GRIND:
What losing arugment? No one has refuted a single point that I have made. Kola is full of shit on this matter. She would have you believe that people "all over Africa" consider dark mulattoes (like her) to be of the same "race" as unixed black Africans, when she knows that where she comes from, no one (except Arabs) believes this.
KOLA:
You're full of shit, GRIND.
ANYONE ON THIS BOARD...can tell you that on about 300 occasions--I have spelled out the Color/Racial designations in SUDAN.
FACT---I have "NEVER" told anyone on this board that I am an "Authentic Black". There's a whole thread where I explained that I am not but am MIXED.
YUKIO can tell you that much!
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
But it's impossible to claim that ARAB-imposed "racial" designations are AFRICAN when they are not.
You are trying to claim that the SLAVE Progeny in SUDAN are upholding African traditional folkways and mores with regard to color and race.
That simply is not true.
WHO IS BLACK...is answered very simply and swiftly in AFRICA.
What ARABS and their SLAVES do is a whole other story that doesn't represent African Peoples.
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Prettybabygirl
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FACT---I have "NEVER" told anyone on this board that I am an "Authentic Black". There's a whole thread where I explained that I am not but am MIXED.
YUKIO can tell you that much!
I remember that thread, too. I also recall Kola explaining this all through her autobiography that she is a "mixed" North African Black who fights fully for the Blacks.
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Grind
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I've got to step out of the house, but I'll be back to reply later. |
Kola_boof
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I REITERATE,
as I've told people on this
board for 5 Years.
KOLA BOOF is Half ARAB, a
MULATTO by DNA.
YET...whereas Halle Berry
and others lacking MELANIN
are not considered
"BLACK" by Africans.....
there isn't a single nation in
Africa--INCLUDING SUDAN--where
anyone would blink or think twice
at me calling my chocolate skin
and nappy hair
BLACK.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2268
Registered: 02-2005
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While I have championed the "notion" that we need to create a designation IN AMERICA, especially, for people like India Arie and Denzel Washington to call themselves "AUTHENTIC BLACKS"...for the purpose of affirmation and so that more of that type can be born
---I have not claimed to be an "authentic black".
EVERY BOOK I'VE WRITTEN, POINTS OUT CLEARLY THAT I AM HALF ARAB and SPEAK ARABIC.
It also points out that my father was opposed to what he called "the bastardization" of African peoples and the assimilation of Blacks in Eurocentric cultures.
I stand for the same thing.
And with all the self-hatred, the celebrating of Black women degrading themselves with "blond wigs"--the celebrating black teens with fake blue eyes, the demonizing of "nappy hair" and "Africoid" features....and the colorist practices of BET and the DISALLOWING of those people with black looks-----we really do need a social phenomenon that CELEBRATES and acknowledges the BLACKNESS of "Black People"....especially in the face of a White Supremacist Structure that parades, encourages and affirms MIXED-NESS, MULATTO DOMINATION AND BREEDING OUT of black people.
As an African woman---mixed or not---I will fight for that which symbolizes and epitomizes Africa, blackness and the Black African aesthetic.
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Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 545
Registered: 03-2006
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Can someone provide me a link to a tribe in Africa where individuals are as light as Beyonce or Alicia Keys with NO admixtures or fusions of different races whatsoever? Is there proof of this? People are always refering to alleged tribes in Africa or individuals they know who look European but are NOT mixed yet show no proof. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 551
Registered: 03-2006
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Got this from another forum.
Pure Black West African Girls
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2274
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You can't really say "PURE".
I would use the word "authentic"---meaning genetically, culturally, politically, HOMOGENIZED.
But no one can measure "purity", and they don't look like their families are pure.
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Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 552
Registered: 03-2006
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East Africans: Ethiopian Girls
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2276
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 09:18 pm: |
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THOSE ARE "ETHNIC" ETHIOPIANS,
HERE ARE PICS OF
"BLACK" ETHIOPIANS
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2277
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"More Black" Ethiopians
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Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 488
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 04:41 am: |
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”That's exactly what people like YOU and Yukio always do--because you're YELLOW people trying to make excuses as to why you can't/won't get blacker—“
Naw! Not really. How can I make excuses for not getting blacker??? What exactly do you mean? No one has ever mistaken me for anything but a black man! I wouldn’t get very far attempting to pass myself off as a Filipino, Mexican, Chinese or Russian. Trust me!
”……but want to be considered just as black as the Authentic Black People.”
Wow! Ok……ummmmm….I’m not sure what you mean. We may not agree politically about certain issues, but I doubt if anyone would consider either of us anything but black! I mean, I’ve been black all my life and never had a problem with it nor has anyone mistaken me for not being black. And exactly who are the “Authentic Black People”???? Just curious……
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Tonya
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 10:10 am: |
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Kola,
"While I have championed the "notion" that we need to create a designation IN AMERICA, especially, for people like India Arie and Denzel Washington to call themselves "AUTHENTIC BLACKS"...for the purpose of affirmation and so that more of that type can be born
---I have not claimed to be an "authentic black". "
I'm confused. How are you different (*appearance-wise*) from India Arie and Denzel Washington and the two authentic West African Girls that BB posted?
Both India and Denzel have two black parents yet they have just as much white blood as you do, despite that fact that you have a white Arab father.
How are you less authentic than either one of them? |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1429
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 01:36 pm: |
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Kola:
But mine is more reflective of what people in Africa, overall, feel...and it's also more reflective of what your ancestors believed when they arrived in this country 500 years ago.
YOU are the anomaly. Not me.
I am the anomaly? I don’t know if your perspective is more reflective of what Africans on the continent think. If it is, how does it change what I think? Christians think Muslims are crazy and going to hell. Muslims think something nothin nice about Christians. Who is right? Shit…many people still think the 3/5th clause meant that blacks were 3/5ths of a person.
And what Africans and enslaved Africans believed long ago we really do not know. I wasn’t there nor were you. I’m not caught up in the origins game, anyway. I do know that enslaved Africans and their ancestors—my tribe and what is called African Americans—had and have a range of beliefs about blackness. These are all immersed in our particular history of almost four hundred years, and this history and the families and values and ideas of blackness that we have established are as legitimate though not as old as some Africans.
Let me move on!
You know I love you, but, as Thumper says, I’m a have to cut you! Your behavior towards me is disingenuous. I’m gonna go ol skool on you:
On July 25, 2006 - 01:11 pm, you wrote:
I am from Africa....and you're FULL OF SHIT Yukio.
You leave out the fact that EUROPEANS and ARABS have raped, lynched, enslaved and created "half caste" people all over Africa.
When you see women in Africa who are as light as Beyonce---that is EXACTLY what you are seeing. You are not seeing a "Black" woman, but a Half-Caste.
On Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 06:13 pm, I wrote:
I said a range of dark brown...I didn't say anything about folk beyonce color...the first sentence [was] where I [had] addressed that issue. [Then,] I was differentiating blue-black folk from dark brown folk like Denzel and still brown but lighter Gabriel Union(This should have clear the issue up! I wasn’t talking about Beyonce).
Anyways, you and I have done this before. I don't accept your notion of blackness, and you don't accept mine. Thats that!
On Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 06:17 pm, you wrote:
And I reiterate:
I am from Africa....and you're FULL OF SHIT Yukio.
You leave out the fact that EUROPEANS and ARABS have raped, lynched, enslaved and created "half caste" people all over Africa.
When you see women in Africa who are as light as Beyonce---that is EXACTLY what you are seeing. You are not seeing a "Black" woman, but a Half-Caste.
I had already said that I had moved on from the Beyonce color issue and was talking about the range of dark brown a lighter brown like a Gabriel Union. I say disingenuous…
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Worse, on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 06:38 pm, you have the audacity to tell Grind what I can tell him/her. So now, you acknowledge that I know something about you and that I could speak on your behalf? I could. Yes Grind. She is correct. Kola has admitted that she is mixed…many, many times, for many years!
But Kola…you could also tell people that I know that Europeans and Arabs have raped and enslaved Africans. Now, would I say half? No!
Long ago Before many of these New Folk have come here I wrote many dissertations [LOL] on these issues that should have told you and pre-empted you from saying much of the rubbish you now sling at me! Furthermore, if I mentioned that Africans were enslaved and raped, that would not change the fact that I was not claiming that a significant number of Africans were Beyonce’s color. All I said was that I didn’t think it was an anomaly. That’s it! It aint rocket science! In fact, aint shit anomalous about rape, enslavement, and lynching, Kola! But that is another story!
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Jah
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wow, kola and her lies how can you qusetion the fact that these west african girls from ghana are not pure. this is how the majority look. there is nothing mix about them. you ambiguously put africa into one category which is wrong. africa is a continent and all the people doesn't look like sudanese so stop this kind of nonsense. maybe you can fool others around here because they haven't been to africa but my father is nigerian and my mother is african american therefore i have had the opportuinty of experiencing both worlds. and i have seen many mix africans and they don't look anything like you. i think you are so struck on color that you wish everybody will be black like the sudanese which i think is a dream that will never come true. here is a pic of miss ghana 2006 who is pure black with black parents. except for the weave. ps if you were the same color as helle will you be preaching the message of breeding blackness just curious. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2304
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 03:22 pm: |
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NO...that is not how the majority of girls in GHANA look.
They're usually a lot darker than that.
They look like Akosua Busia.
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Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2306
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 03:28 pm: |
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And as for MISS GHANA 2006
This is NOT what the women of GHANA look like at all.
But the goal is to present "a knock-off" what will be acceptable to Westerners and Black Americans.
Everyone here knows that this is not what "Ghana" actually looks like.
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Grind
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Username: Grind
Post Number: 70
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 04:32 pm: |
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Kola,
Bottom line, your people, Sudanese mulattoes, do not consider themselves to be the same race as unmixed blacks. You say that despite their mixed heritage your people are accepted as blacks by unmixed black Africans all over the continent. I can neither confirm nor deny this. I tend to doubt it because there are black African tribes that don't even consider dark skinned, nappy headed pygmies to be HUMAN, let alone the same race as themselves. Anyway, even if what you say is true, it is a foolish belief IMO, for the simple fact that it would lead black Africans to UNILATERALLY accept as "brothers" people who generally hate their guts. It's as stupid as black Africans accepting Somalis as "brothers," knowing how much Somalis despise them. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2314
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 04:43 pm: |
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Grind,
MY PEOPLE are not Sudanese mulattoes.
My mother was Oromo Somali...not Sudanese.
My father was Arab Egyptian.
They were murdered for speaking against slavery.
I was raised by Black Americans, and quite honestly, feel more like a "Black American" than like a Sudanese---and I LOOK like a Black American.
Furthermore----the "ARABS" (whether black or white) don't constitute African standards for blackness, tribalism or anything else.
You should check your IMPERIALISM at the door and stop trying to JAB ME just because you're offended by something I'm saying.
CERTAINLY my beliefs would bring out an emotional response in you---as I'm going against everything you've been taught/raised/conditioned to believe.
BUT IT DOES NOT MAKE ME RIGHT.
It only makes me "ME", Grind.
You're free to do and believe whatever you wish---just as I am.
My agenda is no more specious than yours.
But at least I have one--whereas most humans are at the mercy of the agendas "programmed" for them.
I will now continue on with my quest for World Domination BY BLACKS.
PEACE
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Grind
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Username: Grind
Post Number: 71
Registered: 04-2006
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I apologize, I did not know that your mother was Somali. But ultimately, it doesn't matter, does it?...Sudanese, Somali, Egyptian...none of the mixed race populations in these places consider themselves the same race as unmixed black Africans.
CERTAINLY my beliefs would bring out an emotional response in you---as I'm going against everything you've been taught/raised/conditioned to believe.
Errr...like what?
BUT IT DOES NOT MAKE ME RIGHT.
It only makes me "ME", Grind.
You're free to do and believe whatever you wish---just as I am.
My agenda is no more specious than yours.
Fair enough. |
Kola_boof
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Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2322
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 05:20 pm: |
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Some of us, GRIND...are aware that we've been BASTARDIZED as I keep telling you.
My Arab father married a CHARCOAL black woman, because he said he wanted "Black SONS"---to restore the Blackness to the Kolbookek family.
This is why I always tell mulattoes---"Get blacker".
There are millions in Egypt, Somalia and Sudan who KNOW they are not "Arabs"--we were conquered and raped.
SOME of us KNOW what a real "Black" man is.
I can't come to America and encourage MORE of this shit, because it breaks down the Black unity and destroys the bloodberry.
Race is a social construct---but COLOR is not.
I acknowledge what you are saying, KING.
And again--I apologize for being shitty to you a week ago.
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Serenasailor
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Post Number: 619
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2006 - 06:30 pm: |
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Ms. Ghana looks like a West African Black to me. However, I would not know what a typical one looks like. She could also pass as a Black American. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 4862
Registered: 01-2004
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am i srtill banned |
Cynique
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Post Number: 4864
Registered: 01-2004
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I didn't realize I had posted the above message. I was testing to see if posters with AOL as a carrier were still locked out. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 253
Registered: 02-2006
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"But let's be clear: Race mixing is NOT the issue. The issue really is whether and how much one's appearance approximates the caucasian gives one advantages over others who's appearance is closer that of native West and Southern African."
so true! |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 466
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 29, 2006 - 07:19 pm: |
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Not that it matters, but this entire thread looks like an uphill climb, to say the least. The "black look" has been cemented (into the mind) by the Jewish-run mainstream media. And so it goes. The prophets of false images. |
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