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Serenasailor
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 559
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 06:25 pm: | 
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I didn't know that Julian Bond was married to a white woman. Is this true? |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 442
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 07:03 pm: |
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Hmmmmmm....don't know. Why? Is it important? |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 5206
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 07:28 am: |
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Serenasailor,
There are PLENTY Black socio-political advocates and purveyors of Black art who had and have non-Black spouses, significant-others and lovers. They include the following:
@ Thurgood Marshall
@ Maya Angelou
@ Richard Wright
@ Lorraine Hansberry
@ Harry Belafonte
@ Carol Mosley-Braun
Hell. Legend has it Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fell in love with and dayamnear married some White chick while he was in seminary school. (Imagine how American and even World history might be different THAT had occurred.)
Should THAT affect your perceptions of the merits of those foks efforts and contributions? *shrug* |
Shemika
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Username: Shemika
Post Number: 118
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 12:17 pm: |
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I think the main reason those bm into ww back then fought for civil rights was related to their anguish over their treatment and exclusion by mainstream society for being black. The ones like that today with more public liberties are easily appeased. As long as they can marry white and move into a predominately white neighborhood with their white wife or whatever else they're into they are satisfied. And give them a little job title and they are as arrogant, obnoxious, sexist and condescending towards blacks as a Dixie redneck. As far as they are concerned blacks have overcome and racism is no longer an issue, and they are hell bent on discrediting anyone “black” who claims otherwise. They have escaped blackness and no one else’s experience matters but theirs. |
Misty
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Misty
Post Number: 237
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 03:39 pm: |
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"Serenasailor,
There are PLENTY Black socio-political advocates and purveyors of Black art who had and have non-Black spouses, significant-others and lovers. They include the following:
@ Thurgood Marshall
@ Maya Angelou
@ Richard Wright
@ Lorraine Hansberry
@ Harry Belafonte
@ Carol Mosley-Braun
Hell. Legend has it Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. fell in love with and dayamnear married some White chick while he was in seminary school. (Imagine how American and even World history might be different THAT had occurred.)
Should THAT affect your perceptions of the merits of those foks efforts and contributions? *shrug*"
I agree ABM |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 238
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 03:53 pm: |
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"I think the main reason those bm into ww back then fought for civil rights was related to their anguish over their treatment and exclusion by mainstream society for being black. The ones like that today with more public liberties are easily appeased. As long as they can marry white and move into a predominately white neighborhood with their white wife or whatever else they're into they are satisfied. And give them a little job title and they are as arrogant, obnoxious, sexist and condescending towards blacks as a Dixie redneck. As far as they are concerned blacks have overcome and racism is no longer an issue, and they are hell bent on discrediting anyone “black” who claims otherwise. They have escaped blackness and no one else’s experience matters but theirs."
you make a good point also shemika...some TRUELY beleive that as long as they have the freedom to date or marry white women without being descriminated agaisnt for it that they have overcome racsim. You also have alot of black people who make the mistake of believing that the main, if not only reason racism exists is because of fear of black male sexuality and the fear of black men bedding white women. But in actuality, there's FAR more to racism and the reaosn blacks are descriminated agaisnt than this.
This is one of the reaosns you still have blacks who go to britain and claim that there is little to no no racism there because a black man can walk down the street with a white woman and not even be noticed.
but i doubt this would be true for Martin Luther King and Harry Belafonte. I still doubt that if Dr. Martin Luther King would sell out if he would ahve been allwoed to marry that white woman. had been allowed to marry white, i Belafonte still GENUINELY continues the struggle for civil rights for blacks. |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 443
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 04:01 pm: |
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"I think the main reason those bm into ww back then fought for civil rights was related to their anguish over their treatment and exclusion by mainstream society...............they are hell bent on discrediting anyone “black” who claims otherwise. They have escaped blackness and no one else’s experience matters but theirs."
No need to respond in depth to this shrill nonsense. This rhetoric is dated silly race baiting mindless drivel. It amazes me how this wannabe immature narrow minded pseudo black nationalists have all the racially correct explanations and condemnations of black peoples personal lives. It's so sad.
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Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1155
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 04:43 pm: |
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As far as they are concerned blacks have overcome and racism is no longer an issue, and they are hell bent on discrediting anyone “black” who claims otherwise. They have escaped blackness and no one else’s experience matters but theirs.
Well, this may (or may not) be the case with some. I'd have to argue with anyone who makes this claim about Julian Bond. I think the man is pushing 70--He's certainly earned the right to sit on his a** and do nothing just by that simple fact alone. Yet he is still involved in such causes as the nationwide living wage campaign. He also teaches young folks history at UVA. (Tho I think he's set to retire soon.) And he has been a consistent critic of Clarence Thomas, if I am remembering correctly.
My motto is to worry more about where a man's heart is. Rather than worry where his other organ is. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5208
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 04:51 pm: |
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Yvettep: "And [Julian Bond] has been a consistent critic of Clarence Thomas, if I am remembering correctly."
What do Julian Bond and Clarence Thomas have in common: They are both high-profile nikkas who've got White wives. |
Yvettep
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1156
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 05:05 pm: |
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ABM, more importantly (to me) are all the things they do NOT have in common. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5214
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 05:09 pm: |
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Yvettep,
Don't mind me. I'm bias.
I had a slight run-in with Bond a couple decades ago. And I been so NOT the fan of his ever since. |
Yvettep
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1157
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 05:18 pm: |
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Oooooo, boy, that's not right to tease like that. Do tell, do tell! |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 5219
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 05:45 pm: |
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Yvettep,
Aight...
Bond had finished giving a speech somewhere I just happened to be at (And, no, I was NOT there to see his a$$.). Anyway, as he's leaving, he and his entourage dayam near ran over a brotha without so much as common courtesy to say excuse me. I then "Hey. Can't you brothas at least say excuse me?." You know those nikkas had the AUDACITY to say to me "Man. Don't you know who Mr. Bond is?" I said what "What's that? Somebody who get's to bump into other people without apologizing?" We stared each other down for about 5 tense seconds, and then they scurried away.
I know it's not a big deal. And it happened over 20 years ago. But part of me has not been able to stand the sight of Bond's a$$ ever since. |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 445
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 07:50 pm: |
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"I know it's not a big deal. And it happened over 20 years ago. But part of me has not been able to stand the sight of Bond's a$$ ever since."
Awwwwww....c'mon ABM! You're still hatin' on the brother about a shove after 20 years??? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 446
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 08:16 pm: |
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”you make a good point also shemika...some TRUELY beleive that as long as they have the freedom to date or marry white women without being descriminated agaisnt for it that they have overcome racsim.”
That’s not true. What lead you to that conclusion? Dating or marrying a white woman has nothing to do with anything other than an individuals personal decision. I personally know of plenty black men who are married to white and non-black women. NOT ONE OF THEM IS UNDER THE ILLUSION THEY HAVE OVERCAME DISCRIMINATION, PERSONAL OR INSTITUIONAL RACISM!
The great statesman, abolitionist and life long warrior for the freedom of black slaves, Frederick Douglass, was married to a white woman. Being a former slave himself, I doubt very seriously if he ever believed he had transcended the dehumanizing viciousness of racism because he married a white woman.
”You also have alot of black people who make the mistake of believing that the main, if not only reason racism……But in actuality, there's FAR more to racism and the reaosn blacks are descriminated agaisnt than this.”
This I totally agree with. You are absolutely correct. There is a misguided and false belief that white racism against blacks can be simplistically reduced to fear of the big black dick. It is a component of white racism but it does not explain the totality of it.
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Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1399
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:01 pm: |
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abm...you're old! I'll call you Sir ABM for now on! |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1158
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:12 pm: |
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Thanks, ABM--I was hoping for a little more action (but I can understand your lingering sense of ill-will). Maybe you can beat up a little on Yukio for calling you old. LOL |
Femrenoir
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Username: Femrenoir
Post Number: 84
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:17 pm: |
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I know we say it doesn't matter, but when a person has the 'juice' to marry whomever and chooses to marry someone in their own race, I think it speaks to their commitment to the betterment of it and belief in it. Seems old fashioned these days, but JB really is old so . . ! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5223
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 11:55 pm: |
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Ntfs,
When dat nikka apologize, I'll let it go.
Yvettep,
They were punks. So that was as far as it would go.
Yukio: "I'll call you Sir ABM for now on!"
The "ghetto" in me is inclined to say that's what your momma called me lastnight. |
Prettybabygirl
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Username: Prettybabygirl
Post Number: 396
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 12:19 am: |
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Abm, HA HA HA!!!!
Sir. 
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Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 240
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 12:20 am: |
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"The great statesman, abolitionist and life long warrior for the freedom of black slaves, Frederick Douglass, was married to a white woman. Being a former slave himself, I doubt very seriously if he ever believed he had transcended the dehumanizing viciousness of racism because he married a white woman. "
Ntfs, i realize this already......plus in my first post i even stated that i doubt martin luther king would sell out if he could have married that white woman....and although it got jumbled up, i also said that harry belafonte still continues the struggle for black civil rights eventhough he married white. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 241
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 12:21 am: |
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"That’s not true. What lead you to that conclusion? Dating or marrying a white woman has nothing to do with anything other than an individuals personal decision. I personally know of plenty black men who are married to white and non-black women. NOT ONE OF THEM IS UNDER THE ILLUSION THEY HAVE OVERCAME DISCRIMINATION, PERSONAL OR INSTITUIONAL RACISM!"
Ntfs, pay attention to my wording. Notice i said
"some TRUELY beleive that as long as they have the freedom to date or marry white women without being descriminated agaisnt for it that they have overcome racsim."
Put the emphasis on the "without being descriminated against" part and you'll see where im com,ing from.
In america, most black men(unless they're rich) are still descriminated agaisnt for marrying white women, So no your friends probably WOULDN't feel that way. However,I HAVE heard people black men, white men, white women, blakc women, etc. claim that because a black male white female relationship doesn't face any descrimination then little to no racism exists.
Keep in mind most of the people who claim this are british or either from some other part of europe where interracial relationships aren't frowned upon. But, to me their view of racism is VERY limited because there are still tons of race problems in the very places these people claim have advanced so much. Maybe in these countries, the racism isn't against interracial couples but it comes in other forms. However, people overlook the other forms that racism comes in because their perspective on racism is limited to the big black dick....LOL.
The idea that racism is based on fear of black male sexuality is very much intertwined with the idea that if a black man doesnt face descrimination for being with a white woman then racism has died out.
even you admit that there are many who beleive that racism is based mainly on fear of the big black dick. So you should be able to see where im getitng this from , especially now that i've put what i said into better perspective.
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Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 244
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 12:43 am: |
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Ntfs,
i had a friend read this thread and he claimed that my posts to you came off as mean....LOL...i couldnt figure out what in the world he was talking about but just letting you know it's not my pont to come off as harsh or mean to you or anyone on this board in case you get that impression as well.. |
Robynmarie
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Post Number: 63
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 07:27 am: |
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MAYA ANGELOU???
Say it ain't so!
I thought her second husband was Nigerian. Is there a third? |
Robynmarie
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Post Number: 64
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 07:28 am: |
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Frederick Doughlas too  |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 984
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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Twenty years ago? God you're old ABM! |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 450
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 01:45 pm: |
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"In america, most black men(unless they're rich) are still descriminated agaisnt for marrying white women, So no your friends probably WOULDN't feel that way. However,I HAVE heard people black men, white men, white women, blakc women, etc. claim that because a black male white female relationship doesn't face any descrimination then little to no racism exists."
Depends on where they are. If they live on the West Coast, a bm/wf relationship will probably not generate as many stares or open hostile comments as they would if they were in Idaho, Utah, Texas, Virginia or South Carolina. Although those areas are experiencing more bm/wf relationships than they did thirty years ago. But racism takes on many forms. Tolerance of bm/wf relationships is not necessarily the ultimate litmus test for racism.
"Keep in mind most of the people who claim this are british or either from some other part of europe where interracial relationships aren't frowned upon. But, to me their view of racism is VERY limited because there are still tons of race problems in the very places these people claim have advanced so much. Maybe in these countries,.........that racism comes in because their perspective on racism is limited to the big black dick....LOL."
I agree. And for the record, there is a growing tide of intolerance for non-whites in Europe. There was a time when non-whites and blacks were a novelty in Europe. But because of a massive immigration influx of Moroccans, Algerians, black Africans, Asians, Indians and Slavs, to white European countries (e.g. Germany, Spain, France, Russia, Italy, Netherlands,et al) racism and racial violence is has been steadily growing .
Germany just hosted the World Cup Soccer Games ( the Germans are in total denial about the racial climate in their country) there were fears that racists and neo-Nazis would use that opportunity to attack non-white visitors, or even players, during the games. In fact, there was a program on Bryant Gumbels HBO program, “Real Sports”, not long ago that dealt with the racism that black soccer players endure in Europe. Over the last few years, as more African soccer stars are recruited to play for European clubs, making outrageous racial taunts and throwing bananas of the playing field at them, has become a favorite activity for white fans in Europe. When I saw the game film clips, I was stunned speechless to see the level of open hostility and racial bigotry directed at the black players. This was not the Europe I knew of. It looked more like a White Citizens Council recruitment rally in 1963. It was bad -real bad!
So the smug and somewhat arrogant belief by white Europeans that their countries are morally superior to the US in terms of racial issues is a myth. There was a time when blacks were seen as curiosities and sympathy was accorded to them because of the violent racist climate in America. Black jazz musicians, writers and artists made Europe their home at one time because they could not longer tolerate the mindless racism and discrimination that was imbedded in America culture. That is not the case today. Those days are quickly fading. You can witness the growing climate of intolerance and racism in Europe each day because of their liberal immigration policies. The white Europeans can no longer make that claim of racial tolerance and acceptance. As a result, I’m sure bm/wf couples are now experiencing hostility that may not have existed thirty or twenty five years ago.
”The idea that racism is based on fear of black male sexuality is very much intertwined with the idea that if a black man doesnt face descrimination for being with a white woman then racism has died out.”
Understood. But like you have suggested, because we see more tolerance for bm/wf or bm/non-black fm relationships, that is not necessarily a fair and accurate criteria for stating racism no longer exists.
”i had a friend read this thread and he claimed that my posts to you came off as mean....LOL...i couldnt figure out what in the world he was talking about but just letting you know it's not my pont to come off as harsh or mean to you or anyone on this board in case you get that impression as well..”
No problem. I didn’t think you came across as rude or harsh. I always welcome a different point of view. Differences of opinion is what makes this board interesting. Diversity and difference of beliefs is fine as long as it does not descend to the level of profanity and vicious personal attacks. There is no need for that. And thank you for taking the time to explain your point.
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Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1403
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 10:36 am: |
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ABM: And the ghetto in me would laugh and say if u doing my mama you owe me some allowance for such and such a years.....! Pay up Nicca! |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5252
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 10:55 am: |
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Yukio: "And the ghetto in me would laugh and say if u doing my mama you owe me some allowance for such and such a years.....! Pay up Nicca!"
Okay. Here's quarter.
Now, Go away kid. You bother me. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1406
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
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cheap skate! |
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