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Yvettep
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Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 09:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 09:40 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That is an ugly form of harrassment and she needs to stop. Somebody ought to slap the shit out of her and I bet she'll stop pulling on people's hair. Either that or someone who as access to the old hag should corner the bitch and start running their fingers thru her hair, pulling on it and asking if it's a wig. I'm about to put a voodoo spell on that Baba Wawa bitch. Anyone care to join me?
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 10:07 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I do not know voodoo, but I'll sign one of them petitions y'all been talkin about! LOL

Yup. The woman is clueless. A shame that a reasonable intelligent person who has grown up in this country can be her age and still be so ignorant.
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 10:47 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't know voodoo either, but I'm about to learn!
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 11:25 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay. But here's my IDEAL response this: Black women STOP slavishly straigtening their own hair and plating some anonymous Korean chicks' dead hair atop your head.
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 12:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"But here's my IDEAL response this: Black women STOP slavishly straigtening their own hair and plating some anonymous Korean chicks' dead hair atop your head."

Owwwwwwwwwwwww.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 12:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Black women STOP slavishly straigtening their own hair and plating some anonymous Korean chicks' dead hair atop your head.

But my sense is that BW would have been just as fascinated (and displayed that fascination just as inappropriately) had guest hosts been sporting "natural" styles.
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 12:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Perhaps. But I'll bet Brandy (you, Mzuri and most other Black women) would be less bothered by what Walters did IF the hair Brandy had atop her head had naturally grew from HER head.
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 01:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yvettep,

Did you see the recent "Something New" (starring Sanaa Lathan)? There's a scene in there that is similar to what what you've presented here.
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 01:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM, I am not sure, but my thinking is that I would have been even more incensed had BW commenced to handling someone's 'fro.

I have to be really diligent with my daughters about this. When their hair is in a single or double puff, or one gorgeous large afro (which we call "freedon hair") they get all sorts of reactions. Including folks who want to touch it.

To me, that is just incredibly inappropriate and a huge encroachment on my daughters' personal space. What immediately comes to my mind as an analogy is folks (complete strangers!) who feel no hesitation to reach up and (try to) rub my husband's bald head. Or, when I was pregnant with my girls, who felt they had the right to rub my belly!!!

I am having trouble putting my sense or feeling about this into words right now, though. But trust I would have felt the same way regardless of hairstyle.

(No, I haven't seen that movie. I'll have to rent it.)

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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 01:27 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yvettep,

I can understand why you wouldn't want foks, especially STRANGERS, feeling up you and your kids.

Why do you think foks want to touch your 'fro or puffs? Could it be, partly at least, because we so frequently SEE them?

Also. Do White women frequently touch each other's hair and pregnant bellies?

I think they do.
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 01:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I want Freedom Hair!!! When I was very young - 12-13 I went to see my GreatGrandMother and she used to love to commentary on my crazy ass hairdos. I had my hair parted and braided and puffed in all sorts of whack configurations. Now that was some Freedom Hair. LOL.

Anyway, ABM - The Koreans aren't selling us natural hair anymore - it's all synthetic. It's nylon or something. I personally don't use those products - but one of my hobbies is African wrap doll making - and so I use the micro-braids and the other packaged Korean hair on my dolls. It's synth-hair!
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 01:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yvette - You don't need voodoo, you need Kung-Fu. Girl, someone would be in store for either a beatdown or a very severe cursing out if they ever touched my hair, my stomach, my children or my man's head. They can kiss me or they can shake my hand. Maybe hug me if it's appropriate. Touching me otherwise is totally out!
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 01:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mzuri,

So lemme see if I understand you: Black foks are SO economically feeble and culturally bereft that we've gottah buy FAKE hair...from Koreans (who basically consider us to be ignant and inveterate shoplifters)?
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 02:06 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Girl, someone would be in store for either a beatdown or a very severe cursing out if they ever touched my hair, my stomach, my children or my man's head.

LOL! Well, that is why I say I have to stay vigilant. And that's why I said folks TRY to touch my husband's head: Homie does not play that! LOL

You know, I think part of what bugs me is a personal space issue, and people (especially White people) not respecting that there are cultural and other differences of norms for personal space.

Another part, however, is a sense of entitlement that seems to come with some White people touching your hair. I do not care that you have never seen an afro: What gives you the right to satisfy your curiousity by touching my hair???

The same right you had to lift up my lips to check out the condition of my teeth back in the day? The same right you had to go to a zoo or world's fair or "curiousity exhibit" and look at my ancestors' bottoms?

Maybe that is reaching and I'm looking too deeply into this. I do not know if White women touch each others' hair or not. I have not seen this, and I do not watch The View in order to see if BW just runs her fingers through everybody's tresses or if it was just these two Black women. Or ask every White guest if their hair is "really theirs."

But it is possibly a similar sense of (inappropriate) entitlement or ownership that also makes folks feel they have the right to caress pregnant women's bellies. (ANY pregnant woman--Black White or Other.) If I were not pregnant, would these same strangers come up to me and touch my mid section? I think not. Then why do so when I am pregnant?

It's the idea of not seeing my autonomy and wholeness as a person who has a right to my own body and personal space.
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 02:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Off topic: African wrap doll making

Do you sell these?
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 02:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM - Yes, the shit is synthetic. Which is why my suggestion on the problem of Black hair care providers being displaced by Koreans (in the other thread) was that we should contract a Chinese factory to make it for us ourselves. Don't get me wrong - you can still get human hair products - but the majority of the crap that is used now is nylon.

Yvette - It also has much to do with people not being trained in the arts of common courtesy. When I was little, I was taught how to sit and eat, etc and as I got older I pursued the niceties of polite society on my own. But most ppl nowadays behave as though they were raised by wolves. It's sad.

My little African wrap dolls. This might be lengthy. Anyway, I'm not really a crafty type of person although I am a master seamstress and I operate an interior decor business. I'm creative - but not really crafty. Anyways, several years ago it was in my heart to make African dolls, with different skin tones and hairstyles, dressed in African fabrics - and I could visualize the dolls, but didn't have a clue about how to make them.

So I caught HGTV Carol Duvall show one morning and there was a lady named Angela and she made African wrap dolls and showed how to make them and it was on. I went out and bought glue guns, African fabrics, stuffy fiber, hair, beads, shells, everything. And I started making the dolls and everyone loved them. People could select their favorite fabrics, etc. and some were buying 5-10 at a time. I even had contracted people to take orders for me and they received commissions. It was a real successful business.

Here's a quick snap of one that's not quite complete - to give you a general idea - she doesn't have her beaded necklaces and bracelets yet - she's about 14 inches tall. They are faceless because we are supposed to be able to see ourselves in the doll. And I only make them for fun now. My other businesses have taken over!







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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 04:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yvettep,

Perhaps what you describe is to some degree some sign of disrespect. But I FREQUENTLY see women (Black-White, Black-Black, White-White, etc.) touching each other in ways/places that could be considered some form of personal infringement. So although I agree foks shouldn't intrude upon each others' space, I'm not sure its always a race issue, per se.

And here's me just jumping way out of the box for a sec...and this is slowly, but oh so surely, evolving into a personal crusade of mine: I really WISH Black women would STOP all the dayam straigtening and hair extending and - at least on occassion - wear their OWN gotdayam natural HAIR!

So, on some level, I'd almost RATHER some clueless White chick marvel at and admire YOUR NATURAL hair, even if some of them get stupid enuff to want to touch it.

Why?

Because it's YOUR GOD-given hair. It one of the few things that BLACK foks have that nobody else has. It should be worn and celebrated and treasured - in all its NAPPY glory - every bit as much as that of some (usually bottled) blond White chick and some raven-haired Asian.

I'd love to see a world when they are as envious what you can do with your hair as so many sisters are about what non-Black women can do with theirs.

I LONG for the day when REAL Black hair is so celebrated and treasured that you have as many White and Asian chicks trying to get Afro Puffs as you have sistas getting bone-straight perm jobs.
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 06:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Okay. But here's my IDEAL response this: Black women STOP slavishly straigtening their own hair and plating some anonymous Korean chicks' dead hair atop your head."

It was the woman's REAL hair. And it wasn't straightened either.
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 07:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Maybe that is reaching and I'm looking too deeply into this. I do not know if White women touch each others' hair or not. I have not seen this, and I do not watch The View in order to see if BW just runs her fingers through everybody's tresses or if it was just these two Black women. Or ask every White guest if their hair is "really theirs."

I regularly watch the View enough to notice that she ONLY does this to African American guests. Not just Brandy and Tanika--but Diana Ross and a few others as well.


"Okay. But here's my IDEAL response this: Black women STOP slavishly straigtening their own hair and plating some anonymous Korean chicks' dead hair atop your head."

It's an invasion of a person's privacy to touch another woman's hair without consent regardless of whether or not it's real or fake. That is a very intrusive thing to do. And considering Barbara only does this to African American women, its very culturally insensitve. Not only was the woman NOT wearing a weave NOR a wig, it wasn't straightened either. It was her natural kinky hair, that had been colored. She automatically had this idea that all Black women wore weaves/wigs when in fact they don't, and Tanika proved her wrong.

"So lemme see if I understand you: Black foks are SO economically feeble and culturally bereft that we've gottah buy FAKE hair...from Koreans (who basically consider us to be ignant and inveterate shoplifters)?"

What about women who are going through chemo, and have NO hair? Women wear weaves/wigs for various reasons and shouldn't be looked down upon for doing so. I know lots of women including myself, who wear them occassionally and go back to wearing my real hair. I don't see the big deal at all.

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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 07:23 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Because it's YOUR GOD-given hair. It one of the few things that BLACK foks have that nobody else has. It should be worn and celebrated and treasured - in all its NAPPY glory - every bit as much as that of some (usually bottled) blond White chick and some raven-haired Asian.

I'd love to see a world when they are as envious what you can do with your hair as so many sisters are about what non-Black women can do with theirs. "


but that happens already ABM....ive seen quite a few white women ask black women "how did you get your hair to do that." I especialy witnessed this from white girls in highschool and middle school. Also, when i went natural white women started asking me "how did you get your hair to do that" more and more. When i went natural i was able to do certain styles that i couldnt before.

I've even heard white women say to black women "i wish i could do that with my hair."

The only problem is BLACK women don't see this. In most cases it's US who cant see the beauty in ourselves. It seems whites often see more beauty in us than we're able to see and recognize in ourselves.

the same is true also in the case of lips.....blacks tease eachother about having big lips but you see white women puttiung on lip stick that makes their lips look larger (yes they actually have tha now) and even going as far as to get lip implants. It's not only white women because white men have been the only ones to compliment me on my "full" lips as they called it (mind you my lips arent even full when compared to most other blacks).
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Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 07:05 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BB123 & Misty,

Sure there are SOME sistas who wear their natural hair and there are some non-Black chicks who'll try to rock a 'fro. But BOTH are in the MINORITY.

The VAST MAJORITY of Black women who wear wigs and hair extentions do NOT do so to disguise recovery from Chemotherapy. The VAST MAJORITY of Black women I know and see either straighten their hair or don straighten hair pieces.

I SELDOM see White, Asian or other non-Black women donning anything that is remotely CLOSE to that of a hairstyle that requires some semblance of naturally Black or African hair texture. If White women SINCERELY wanted to frizz their hair to look like that of a Black women, there would be BILLIONS being made by beauty companies and stylists from the shyt.

But I DO believe if Black women more frequently and proudly wore their natural hair, more non-Blacks would be trying to get nappy perms. Sorta like what Misty describes about the "lip" thing.
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Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 08:38 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM, God bless you for accepting us, King.

MZURI...I LOVE THAT DOLL!

I collect dolls like that.

And I sure didn't know you're a seamstress. I need to hire you to make some clothes for me (and at 6'2 with NOW 38 DD titties and a plump booty, I really am serious). Nobody makes clothes that FIT me. Especially pants!

I'll be in touch eventually.

Of course, we really don't like each other--but I admire your talent.


Hi Prettybabygirl, Tonya, Renata, Roxie, Crystal, NGO :-)












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Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 08:45 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM's really right about what he's saying.

And I might add that if black women cultivated their own natural beauty--that millions of little black boys wouldn't receive the "sublimal message" from their black mothers that black women (people) are INFERIOR for having that hair--therefore conditioning their children to SEEK OUT the authentic Euro-tresses on the scalps of white people.

If a black mother is indicating that she always wanted White Women's hair and that her's isn't worthy of having fresh air hit it---then why shouldn't her son go out and Pander To the thing that his mother WORSHIPS?

ABM is more than right on this.




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Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 09:44 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks about the doll Kola. They really are cute, but people either love them or hate them.

I started sewing at the age of five, all of the women in my family are master seamstresses and I started out making little doll clothes. At that time our sewing machine was the old timey one with the foot pedal (not because electric machines weren't invented yet, but because the machine had been in the family and we continued to use it). And as I got older I learned to make dresses, pants, jackets, etc.

As a child, most of my clothes were either made by the family (beautiful clothes embellished with lace and all sorts of elaborate details) or ordered from catalogs but when I got into my teens if I needed some tight little pants to capture an admirer's attention, I'd hook them up myself. Little skin tight pants. LOL.

Anyway, I still sew from time to time, and I make alterations to store bought clothes. And I make curtains and pillows and such for my own home and occasionally for an interior client if it's something I need done in a hurry and don't want to wait for my drapery lady. But I don't sew clothes for my friends or as a business. It's much too time consuming. And the little dolls require no sewing at all - I use stitch-witch (iron on seam adhesive) to finish up the edges of the dresses of the dolls.

You can go to any tailor and they can custom make your clothes for you. Either take some bolts of fabric or a fabric sample or let them know you want wool, silk or whatever type of fabric you prefer. You can even take your favorite outfits and they can reproduce those for you. And there's an oriental gentleman on eBay that custom makes clothes. You send him your measurements and he makes your clothes and sends them to you. I can't recall his eBay name but if that's something you'd be interested in let me know and I'll find him for you :-)
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Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:29 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM,

Initially, you thought that the Black woman who was on the View's show was wearing a weave/wig which was the reason it sparked Barbara Walter's curiosity as to whether it was hers or not. And you also assumed, her hair had been straightened or that she was wearing some Koreans woman's hair--when in actuality she was not. She was wearing her natural kinky hair, that was all hers. Barbara is basically going around touching, patting, women of color's hair regardless of whether it's theirs or not. I find it culturally insensitive since she doesn't so this to her White guests. Many White women in Hollywood are just as guilty of being just as fake as the Black women: Breat implants, Butt injection, fake teeth, tans, lip implants, botox, hair extensions, contacts. She doesn't question their beauty.

Abm, you always tell Black women to wear their real hair yet you salivate over women like Beyonce Knowles and Melissa Ford who NEVER wear their own hair.
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Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:49 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah ABM, quit salivating over Beyonce and Melissa. It's so unbecoming. LOL.
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Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 05:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ladies,

You can truss-n-beweave it is NOT Beyonce's and Melissa's "hair" (nylon or natural) I'm salivating over.
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Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 08:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As much as you despise & discourage Black women from wearing weaves I'd think you'd be turned off the MOST by Beyonce & everything she represents when she wears her silky straight Blonde European lacefront wig in videos and magazines. And if Beyonce's European wig is the last thing on your mind, then why should other women's hair be the first? Since you're gonna salivate over them anyways...
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BB123,

First. Unlike you, I do NOT wholly loathe Black women straightening and extending their hair. If sisters regularly wore their nature hair pattern and mixed it up with some straightening or extensions (and even coloring), I think that would probably fine.

What bothers me is Black women going her ENTIRE lives feeling as though if their hair isn’t straightened or pressed, they basically has little reason to live.

As Kola inferred, everytime you press or add straighten hair to you head, you’re artificially INFLATING the value of the hair and overall beauty of those who hair is naturally straight. Yet you wanna get pissed when A LOT of brothas conclude “Hell. Why should I settle for Toneshia’s fake stuff when Holly’s is REAL!!! Plus I can have a shyt load of FUN tugging her shyt while I’m hitting it from the back!!!” (Sorry. But that IS the kind of shyt that goes through brotha’s minds.)


I’ve ALREADY said no one has any business intruding upon someone else’s space and person. So I’m in NO way condoning what Walter’s done. But, again, I think SOME of that odd behavior is the product of so FEW Black women actually donning their OWN gotdayam hair these days.

And noticed this: Brandy seemed much less comfortable with what Barbara did than did the other Black woman (Sorry. I don't know who she is). Why? Because the other sista could PROUDLY declare it was HER HAIR. And, if you listen really closely, via her clever response to Barbara the sista subtly but quite effectively told White female AmericaI’m dayam proud of and comfortable with what the hell is MINE and don’t your a$$e$ wish that you had it too...BEEEYATCHES!!!


My young sista. If yawl REALLY want Black men to start loving and appreciating you for what you REALLY are then you’re a$$e$ are going to have to start loving and appreciating your dayamselves...your nappy hair, et. al.
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Love your naps, gotdammit!!!
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ABM,

Where did you get the idea that I WHOLLY loathe women straightening and pressing their hair when I shared with you that I do it as well from time to time?

In that pic, her hair is natural but the rest of it is weave.
"As Kola inferred, everytime you press or add straighten hair to you head, you’re artificially INFLATING the value of the hair and overall beauty of those who hair is naturally straight. Yet you wanna get pissed when A LOT of brothas conclude “Hell. Why should I settle for Toneshia’s fake stuff when Holly’s is REAL!!! Plus I can have a shyt load of FUN tugging her shyt while I’m hitting it from the back!!!” (Sorry. But that IS the kind of shyt that goes through brotha’s minds.)"

If Black women were losing out the way you explained it, then we wouldn't be the main consumers of hair weaves. Didn't earlier you state that Beyonce's wig is the LAST thing on your mind when salivating over her?
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"My young sista. If yawl REALLY want Black men to start loving and appreciating you for what you REALLY are then you’re a$$e$ are going to have to start loving and appreciating your dayamselves...your nappy hair, et. al."

I have really really long thick coarse hair midway down my back. You don't know how many times men have said when I blowdry it out natural & wear it in public, "you look good, but I'm not feeling all that nappy hair on yo head baby girl. you got too much hair to wear it nappy like that. if you just perm that shit it'll be the bomb." So it's a two-way street. Both Black men and women suffer from the Nappy Head Complex.
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BrownBeauty you are so hard headed.

I believe that like Kola said, "Black Men" will begin to love nappy hair--when their mothers RAISE THEM to love nappy hair.

By wearing fake ass horse weaves, black women condition their sons, just as Kola said, to seek out a real white woman.

It has to start somewhere and that's what Abm is saying.

Do you understand what a little black child sees when black women come down the street in a long blond weave??? The get the message that white women are superior, because we want to look like them so bad.








**Kola--what is going on with you? I posted a thread called "IS SHE FIRED?" Hopefully you can clear these confusing news reports up.


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Mzuri: "...quit salivating over Beyonce and Melissa. It's so unbecoming."

"Hate" is such an UGLY word. Hahahaha!!!


BB123,

Okay.


PBG,

Hey...I tried. *shrugs*

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