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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5127
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:16 am: | 
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Misty,
BET is own White industrialists who could hardly give a dayam about preserving any semblance of Black pride and solidarity. And Hispanics have supplanted Blacks as the nation's largest minority group.
But I will concede that the fact that the management and producers at BET see fit to make a non-Black Hispanic the host of its most popular youth-oriented show does highlight the argument Kola has made with respect to how ambiguities amongst Blacks regarding our color and colorism lead to some bizarre choices of what we are made to tolerate.
Because there's noway somebody who looks like, say, Wesley Snipes would be made the host of one of those Mexican(-American) TV shows.
NOWAYINHELL!!! |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 197
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
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I was on a messageboard and there were black women complaining that Julissa was on BET because she's a latina and not black. At first i had no problem with a hispanic woman being on 106 and park BUT when i really thought aobut what those women were complaining about and i couple that with the fact that spanish tv NEVER and i mean nver has a black person announcing ANYTHING and IF they have a black person on any of their shows they're usually somewhere in the background where its hard to see them.
And THEN when i read the responses on the messageboard that were written by hispanics it made me even MORE angry. There were hispanic women on there claiming that the black women were just jealous. One even claimed that black women were mad because they know their husbands will leave them for a latina anyday. This was the general response from the hispanics on tat board. So it made me think a bit. This is one of the USUAL responses to black womens anger over being wronged. "you must be jealous." Im also beginning to wonder if more and more non-black women are using this old age ploy in order to maintain their privilege over black women and to make it seem like black women have no valid concerns when they complain aobut being replaced by other races in the media. Do women REALLY feel the need to go to such legnths jsut to maintain one fut up on the gender hierarchy when we're ALL having to deal with sexism? It's really saddening to see women fighting over crumbs.
However, I take this into account. at first glance i thought julissa was a biracial black woman which alot of dominicans are....the only difference is they speak with an accent. I also have to take into account that an afro-latina may actually find it EASIER to get work in american show business rather than in their own countries where media racism is even WORST for blacks and native indigenous indians. So maybe julissa saw BET as her only outlet and i dont blame her.
But i still have to say this most afro-latins, black hispanics or whatever you want to call them may HAVE black ancestry BUT dont see themselves as black or biracial because of it and plus i've heard HORRIBLE stories of how dominicans (rather they have black ancestry or not) treat hatians so i highly DOUBT that a dominican would ahve a black american woman or a more visibly black woman than julissa up on one of their shows representing them.
i was GOING to say somethign else BUT i dont want this thread to be turned into another gender wars thread between black women and black men. I want the focus of the topic to remain in tact and plus im sick and tired of every single thread no matter what the subject is being deminished to that. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 198
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:19 am: |
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dam, sorry ABM, LOL i hadthe above post up and didnt know you had responded to my thread so i had edited some of it and yoour response ended up coming up before my post. LOL
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Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 199
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:21 am: |
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And your post is right on ABM, although i have to admit that Julissa DOES look like a biracial black woman. BUT i doubt most people will see her as a biracial black woman because the accent changes all of that in most peoples eyes.
If you're a biracial afro-latin, but you speak with an accent for SOME reason people (white folks, blacks and all dont see you as being biracial. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5130
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:28 am: |
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Misty,
I guess the ultimate questions to ask are "What IS Black culture and WHO should be the arbiters and purveyors of such?"
If being Black means just having the faintest of associations with Blackness (e.g., 1/4 or 1/8 Black), then there is going to be a LOT of confusion amongst us regarding what it actually means to be Black. And THAT assumes that such even matters at all to us, to begin with. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 202
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:28 am: |
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its a good thing that the post i made nothing changed in it becuase i decided agaisnt editing it....BUT the problem is it got deleted and put under your response to it |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5133
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:48 am: |
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Here's a picture of Julissa (second from right). I thought it might be interesting to show a picture of her between 2 BLACK people (1 male, 1 female).
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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2459
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 12:02 pm: |
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Keep on complaining and they'll have a couple of IRISHMEN on there and then where will you be? |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 206
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 12:38 pm: |
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I guess the ultimate questions to ask are "What IS Black culture and WHO should be the arbiters and purveyors of such?"
That's a very tough question and it's ahrd to deifne what black culture is...ive really never been able to truely define it.
"If being Black means just having the faintest of associations with Blackness (e.g., 1/4 or 1/8 Black), then there is going to be a LOT of confusion amongst us regarding what it actually means to be Black. And THAT assumes that such even matters at all to us, to begin with."
well i do think black AMERICANS rather biracial or black or 1/4th should identify as black in order to keep solidarity and to have more people who identify with the black cause...they along wiht lighter skinned black people DO face some descrimination for bieng black although not to the same extent as more visibly black people....the only problem comes when they are the main ones being represented as blacks to play black roles. This is happening mainly in the case of women. black womend ont really get to play their own roles anymore because halle and beyonce are the top black actresses. as well as that biracial woman from crash still cant think of ehr name i dont know why).
so all im saying is there should be more fairness in who's chosen to play black roles.
if a biracial woman can play a black woman why cant a black woman play a biracial woman?
it's simply a matter of whites keeping control over black people.
BUT, i DO think black americans have more unity because of the one drop rule than blacks in brazil do. Brazil doesnt have a one drop rule and they're having WAY more problems than we are. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 894
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 12:42 pm: |
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Julissa looks about as Black as Mariah to me. What's the big deal??? |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 207
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 12:42 pm: |
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ABM, thanks for the pictures.
to me julissa looks like a biracial black woman ESPECIALLY in this picture.
http://www.nastack.com/my_weblog/images/julissa.jpg
now keep in mind that my message above was speaking in terms of blakc AMNERICANS...although i myself see black latins as black they're an even tougher subject to takle because most people just dont see them as black and they dont see themselves as black iuf they have a spanish accent.
so i dont know what to do about them really.
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Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 208
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 12:45 pm: |
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not in the picture i jsut posted mzuri.....pluis to me she's more visibly black than mariah...especially when i saw her on 106 and park....she even had a black dominican accent. there's a difference i notice in the accents of black dominicans and those who aren't visibly black.
I say its a big deal mzuri because they would NEVER let a black american replace THEM, plus they wouldnt even let a more visibly black person than julissa from their OWN culture do anything on their stations and JULISSA is only getting a break because she's in america. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 210
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 12:51 pm: |
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so my question is why should we allow them to replace us on tv. if they dont even want to be identified or represented as one of us?
why is the onus always on BLACK people to be more accepting and to take whatever people throw our way, when these other races or cultures are FAR less accepting than us?
that question goes to both mzuri and chrishayden.
why do WE have to be the oens letting other peole represent us as black americans when others arent expected to do the same? |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 895
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 12:56 pm: |
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DON'T WATCH B.E.T.!!! THE END. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 211
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 01:02 pm: |
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I dont watch BET...my brother keeps his t.v. on that station most of the time so im bound to catch a glimpse of it.
my main stations that i watch are the food network and liftetime movie network......i almost NEVER turn to BET. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 461
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 01:12 pm: |
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I thought Julissa was Puerto Rican.
Anywho, Julissa does look like many biracial (black&white mixture) Black women in the United States; her and the mulatto R&B singer Mya resemblance is like sisters.
http://www.askmen.com/women/singer/57_mya.html
"Im also beginning to wonder if more and more non-black women are using this old age ploy in order to maintain their privilege over black women and to make it seem like black women have no valid concerns when they complain aobut being replaced by other races in the media. Do women REALLY feel the need to go to such legnths jsut to maintain one fut up on the gender hierarchy when we're ALL having to deal with sexism? It's really saddening to see women fighting over crumbs. "
They're just mimicking what they've witnessed men say to black women when we voice our opinion on several related issues like this.
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Mzuri
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Post Number: 897
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 01:14 pm: |
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Okay. Tell your brother not to watch B.E.T. No one's forcing y'all to watch it and if it bothers you that much, there's 200 other stations you could watch.
Otherwise, start an IHATEJULISSA petition. I'll sign that one too. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 213
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 01:20 pm: |
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never said i hated julissa because i dont...I dont see why protesting being misrepresented has to turn into hatred
I cant tell my brother a dam thing because he's too freaking hardheaded
and like i said....i rarely even catch a glimpse of BET...as i said in the other post......i watch lifetime move network and the food channel and that's only WHEN im home. im raredly even home msot of the time anymore. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 462
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 01:26 pm: |
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Mzuri, I stopped watching BET several years ago on a regular basis. The videos just got too raunchy and the majority of the content was catering towards Black men & not women. All the shots of nekkid asses & tits in rap videos is purely for men's entertainment pleasure and I couldn't stomach anymore of it. Every now and then I tune in to catch a video, live performance or an interview by an artist that I really like. But it's not on regular rotation like it used to be.
There has been some positive changes on BET. Recently the last episode of the late night BET Uncut was aired. I'm not sure if it got cancelled because of all the negative press. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5134
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 01:30 pm: |
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Misty,
The Dilemna of the One Drop Rule is although it appear to create solidarity amongst Black foks (Note I say "appear"), it ALSO leads to Halle, Beyonce and Thandie Newton (of "Crash") being made the token "Black woman" in most of your great film opportunities. Because, as you yourself has noted, even though one drop makes you Black, it often appear the FEW drops of "Black" blood that you have, the better.
Now, from a cultural standpoint, I'd have less an issue with Julissa's skintone and MORE an issue with how grounded she is in African AMERICAN culture and styling.
But, hey, it's crazy. 'Cause take Sen Barak Obama. He has NO real African American heritage in that none of his ancestors were American Slaves. Yet I doubt ANYONE'S going to "disqualify" Obama as an African American.
I guess the "onus" is on Black foks to be more accepting of others because we choose for such to be. I guess the mindset is part born from our having been enslaved, excluded and denied. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 215
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 01:30 pm: |
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BrownBeauty, i do see a slight resemblance.
"They're just mimicking what they've witnessed men say to black women when we voice our opinion on several related issues like this."
the reason i doubt that these women are just mimicing black men is because most of them were racist LONG before a black man came along and plus they DO have an agenda to uphold which tries to uphold them over black women. Women aren't mindless drones in all of this. They often participate in the oppression of other women as well as their own....and accusing other women of being jealous is just one of the tactics they use. they do this because they know if the owmen at the bottom keep protesting things will eventually change and they will no longer be able to be worshiped as the only true image of womanhood.
Believe me women can be VERY crafty...never underestimate our powers. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 463
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 01:32 pm: |
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"the reason i doubt that these women are jsut mimicing black men is because most of them were racist LONG before a black man came along and plus they DO have an agenda to uphold which tries to uphold them over black women. Women aren't mindless drones in all of this. They often participate in the oppression of other women as well as their own....and accusing other women of being jealous is jsut one of the tactics they use. they do this because they know if the owmen at the bottom keep protesting things will eventually change and they will no longer be able to be worshiped as the only true image of womanhood"
Very true. Black men so often as well use the very same "jealous, bitter, insecure" argument. We stand alone on this one. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 02:15 pm: |
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interesting thread. Here are some things to consider:
1. the most obvious:
Domincans are people of African descent, and therefore black. I don't, of course, accept Kola's notions of blackness.
2. She could easily be mistaken as a light skinned African American.
3. You can not measure what portion of a person is black. So it makes no sense to say that a person is 1/2 black and 1/8 black. this is as archaic as as using the one drop rule as a means to determine if a person is black. Scientists have proven that there is no such thing as race and that you can have the darkest person and this person can be genetically less african than a lighter skinned person.
4. Hip Hop is the product of people of African descent of the Americas: Another understanding of African American culture...there are black and white cubans, puerto ricans, domicans, and panamamians who are more culturally black than many african americans who have been here for centuries...this of course would depend on one's notion of culture, but if we are talkin about BET...and hip hop, I think this argument holds...
5.Finally, if we consider that hip hop (the staple of 106 and Park's countdown and that the damn show is in spanish harlem [duh!]) is the product of African American and Spanish and British Caribbean ingenuity then one needs to step back and get ya hip hop history together....BX and Harlem Stand UP!
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 5137
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 02:30 pm: |
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Yukio,
This whole notion that there's no such thing as race confounds me. Because here we are on this site regularly talking about issues that are specific to being Black and/or African American. We focus on what it means to be and live as a Black person YET there's "no such thing as race"? What does such an argument really mean as a PRACTICAL matter?
I don't know. It seems to me that arguing there is not such thing as race is pointless given how we as human being have LIVED over the 1,000's of years.
Now. The issue of degrees of Blackness is really less about being Black per se and MORE about whether/how valued one's manifestation of humanity is in juxtaposition to that of others.
Fine. We can say anyone who's of the slightest African descent is Black. But we'd be fools to argue that the value and quality of life of all people who have some degree of Black blood are essentially equal. THAT is really what the argument and problem is.
The message that BET (and most of American media) is trying to send about Black female beauty is pretty obvious. Ultimately, it's up to BET's viewers to decide whether such is reflective of that which they prefer to receive. |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 550
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 04:26 pm: |
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I asked that question long time ago. BET is just trying to do what white society wants black men to do. Breed themselves out. So they use women like Julissa as a tool. She is Black but not "too black". Therefore Black men will kill themselves just as they are doing now to breed "whiter looking children". Its a SHAME!!! |
Fortified
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Username: Fortified
Post Number: 142
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 04:48 pm: |
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Why do people keep referring to Latinos as a race? Latino is NOT a race. It is an ethnicity made up of multiracial individuals--which includes black.
106 & Park had Free and AJ. Big Lez used to host another video show (she is a dark skinned former dancer). It is okay to have a Blacks of various shades on TV. We are a diverse people. |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 08:46 pm: |
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"Scientists have proven that there is no such thing as race and that you can have the darkest person and this person can be genetically less african than a lighter skinned person."
How are they going to say that there's no such thing as race, then turn around and explain who could possibly be genetically less or more Blacker between a darkskin and a lightskin individual? There should be no difference at all if "race" truly doesn't exist. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 08:50 pm: |
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“This whole notion that there's no such thing as race confounds me. Because here we are on this site regularly talking about issues that are specific to being Black and/or African American. We focus on what it means to be and live as a Black person YET there's "no such thing as race"? What does such an argument really mean as a PRACTICAL matter?”
Yukio:
You are, it seems to me, equating or unnecessarily relating race to being black or African American. It is a scientific fact that there is only one race—the human racism. The belief that there are different races presumes that there are biological differences among groups that constitute different racial groups. There are none.
When you say ”here we are on this site regularly talking about issues that are specific to being Black and/or African American” you are addressing the particular experiences, in many cases, of African Americans or blacks in the U.S. not race. In fact, we often talk about racism—the placement of assumed racial groups into an inferior status based on that assumption.
Throughout much of history the notion of race was arbitrary. In fact, the notion had different meanings in different regions of the world. The transatlantic slave trade helped to redefine the notion of race. Then what was considered black was codified in law, so as to maintain slavery, control the slaves, and maintain the political and economic power of the slavocracy.
“I don't know. It seems to me that arguing there is not such thing as race is pointless given how we as human being have LIVED over the 1,000's of years.”
Yukio:
Well, it is not an argument it is the truth. While truth doesn’t change the consequences of our history, it helps us better understand it. It also helps blacks, whites, and whoever place the economic, social, and political status of black people in the realm of history and white supremacy. To show that race is a myth destroys the shibboleth that we are biologically inferior, that we are genetically inclined to criminality, that we need socalled “white blood” to be successful, that we need to act white to be successful. Most importantly, showing that race is a myth illustrates that the success of white people is directly related to the way they have exploited people and through this exploitation they have bamboozled us into believing that there is something wrong with us and that we do not have power within us and our culture to do what is best for us.
Now. The issue of degrees of Blackness is really less about being Black per se and MORE about whether/how valued one's manifestation of humanity is in juxtaposition to that of others.
Yukio:
agree.
Fine. We can say anyone who's of the slightest African descent is Black. But we'd be fools to argue that the value and quality of life of all people who have some degree of Black blood are essentially equal. THAT is really what the argument and problem is.
Yukio:
Agree.
"The message that BET (and most of American media) is trying to send about Black female beauty is pretty obvious. Ultimately, it's up to BET's viewers to decide whether such is reflective of that which they prefer to receive."
Yukio:
I’m not in complete disagreement with you. Nevertheless, this question of blackness based on color completely disregards what I stated before. That hip hop is not African American in the first place. And that while many black people look at Julissa and have a problem, people in New York City—birthplace of hip hop and 106 and Park—know the history of history and it wasn’t African American. It was African American, West Indian, and Puerto Rican from the very beginning. This is not to discount that BET is colorstruck. It was colorstruck before Julissa! Remember, Donny Simpson and his light eyes…and that other foine azz host, who was also light skinned (was it Rachel). In fact the only dark host that had was the earthy, natural funky sista who covered alternative black music. Her stay was brief…but she was marginalized, but I looked for her…YUM! BTW, Julissa is off 106 and Park. The new host is even lighter! So, don’t confuse my criticism with not being aware of what is going on…I am quite aware and always have been…
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Abm
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
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Yukio,
You can call it "race", creed, ethnicity or nationality. That's really NOT the issue.
The reality is human beings DO make distinctions amongst themselves. Often those distinction are based on differences of skin tone, proportions and arrangement of facial features and eye and hair color. And OFTEN the effects of making such distinctions are pivotal, profound and even dire.
I am not sure that the myth of White Supremacy can be intellectualized into oblivion. Because I believe race was, is and likely always will be the product of the quest for essentially 2 things: Money and Power. And as long as THOSE are desired and pursued and those who do such determines that making and buffeting racial (or sex-gender, class, religious, etc.) distinctions enables one to garner wealth and power, race (as a social, if not genetic, construct) will continue to exist.
I agree that the origins of hip-hop include those who are not Black descendants of American Slavery. And, yes, BET has always favored brandishing fairer manifestations of Blackness, particularly with respect to Black women. Is BET is going TOO FAR into that direction? I don't know.
Again. Ultimately, it is up to the viewers to decide whether BET presents that which they feel represent what they are or want to be. And maybe the "want to be" part is the criteria that BET's management and producers have smartly divined. |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1365
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 02:24 pm: |
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You can call it "race", creed, ethnicity or nationality. That's really NOT the issue.
Yukio:
Right, which is why it is important not to conflate what it means to be "black" with race. Not to conflate the experience of a particular group with race. You started this thread using language designating her as a "non-black Hispanic," so I made it a question of culture, as related to hip hop culture and its origins.
Caveat:
[Are we really black when there are some africans who claim that african americans do not have a culture, are lazy, and are white people with dark skin? That is really not about race but culture and the particular history of African Americans in the U.S., which is similar but different from Colonialism]
And at the same time, I agree that BET is color struck and that the displacement of dark skinned folk for lighter, regardless of socalled nationality and ethnicity, is suspect and demonstrative of this.
The reality is human beings DO make distinctions amongst themselves. Often those distinction are based on differences of skin tone, proportions and arrangement of facial features and eye and hair color. And OFTEN the effects of making such distinctions are pivotal, profound and even dire.
Yukio:
To say that there is not biological foundation for those distinctions is NOT to say that people do not make them for their own self-satisfaction or aggrandizement.
I am not sure that the myth of White Supremacy can be intellectualized into oblivion. Because I believe race was, is and likely always will be the product of the quest for essentially 2 things: Money and Power. And as long as THOSE are desired and pursued and those who do such determines that making and buffeting racial (or sex-gender, class, religious, etc.) distinctions enables one to garner wealth and power, race (as a social, if not genetic, construct) will continue to exist.
Yukio:
There is no disagreement. Well not exactly! LOL! I have shown how race was based on the pursuit for money and power, in fact, when I discussed briefly how black as a racial category was codied in law. I would alter your point about the myth of white supremacy, because they are supreme. I do not disagree with that...I disagree with the notion that they are supreme because of their their biological make-up and culture--what people generally understand as race.
Their supremacy is based on exploitation, murder, and cultural imperialism not some physically or biologically superiority.
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