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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3027
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 01:55 am: | 
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...THE RACE
Kobe Bryant
Jay-Z
Montel Williams
Chris Rock
Dave Chappell
Make it eight,
Russell Simmons
Eddie Murphy
Martin Lawrence |
Rastafurious
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Username: Rastafurious
Post Number: 39
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 01:57 am: |
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Tonya
Tonya
Tonya
Tonya
Tonya
Tonya
Tonya
Tonya |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 387
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 02:01 am: |
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Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! |
Brownbeauty123
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Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 440
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 09:11 am: |
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What Jay Z do? |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 5072
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 10:13 am: |
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Tonya,
Okay. It seems from at least HALF of those you've listed above, miscegenation is what you consider grounds for banishment from Blackness. But what other criteria warrants such? Because, like BB123, I’m wondering why Jay Z made your Boot A Nikka hit list. |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 397
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 11:35 am: |
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Who even cares..? |
Va_sis
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Va_sis
Post Number: 85
Registered: 02-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 12:30 pm: |
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"What Jay Z do?"
Jay-Z, bless his heart, has always been an unattractive man...he's even admitted that before his rise to fame & fortune, he had a hard time getting women THAT HE DEEMED WORTHY.
NOW, he's rich as hell and money will make anybody look good, he only dates the model types.
You can guess what complexion & features they have. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 5077
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 01:12 pm: |
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Va_sis,
Hmmmmm...So then you PREFER that Jay-Z remained too ugly, ignored and poor to date?
*shrugs* |
Va_sis
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Va_sis
Post Number: 86
Registered: 02-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 04:11 pm: |
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Abm,
I PREFER that Jay-Z remained too (blah, blah).......as opposed to what, becoming rich and dating light/white model types?
I frankly don't care. I was just answering BB123.
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Yvettep
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1115
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 04:24 pm: |
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This reminds me of that Chapelle Show skit about the racial draft. If folks are kicking some Black men out then can we also put our votes in for men of other backgrounds who we want in in exchange? Johnny Depp? Bono? Bill Gates? Cynique, you can vote for Brad and I know many of you (tho not I) will want Bill Clinton... LOL |
Yvettep
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1116
Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 04:25 pm: |
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So, Tonya, you can maybe exchange David Shwimmer for Jay-Z! LOL |
Roxie
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Roxie
Post Number: 862
Registered: 06-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 04:42 pm: |
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.......guys who reward their mother's sacrafices by spitting in their faces and honoring their absent fathers.
......guys who had to struggle to accomplish their dreams yet turn around and discourage others from following their own dreams , like a fucking hypocrite.
.....and guys who step over the backs of their loved ones to get what they want.
Men like this, of all socio-economic classes must be bred out, regardless of color. They are our worst internal enemy. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1347
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 8 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 04:44 pm: |
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more foolishness...harry belafonte should be kicked out too since he married a white women and has spent much of his adult life working towards the betterment of black people...
while it is true that black men have dated white and almost white women to uplift their self-esteem and careers, I believe there are people who have done so out of love...and I also think that some black people, dark or light, aint worth shit and the fact that they are dark skinned makes them neither more authentic nor important than a light skinned black person...
we have black love and these fuckas dont contribute shit to the black community...only their presence, which could include bad parenting, abuse, etc....color aint enough to save us from stupidity...people need to affirm our color AND do work that uplifts us...without the work...we will have just dark skinned people, poor, ignorant, and on welfare!
Be clear, I am not at all associating color with intellect or work ethic. I am do the exact opposite...whether folk are dark or light, if they aint raising children with strong values that embrace black people and goals that black folk need to reach then color aint shit but color!
lets look at the color of connie rice and condi rice...which is more authentically black...should we go by color or work and service?
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4841
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 06:18 pm: |
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True dat, Yukio. Now, somebody tell me again, what did Chris Rock do to make the list? Huh, huh, huh? |
Yukio
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1349
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 10:23 pm: |
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that was an interesting post...alot of cussin...my bad! LOL! Maybe the crap has hit the fan?!
clarence thomas
r. kelley
ward connelly
John McWhorter
shelby steele |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3031
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 10:25 pm: |
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Yukio, it sounds like you are saying that all one needs to be considered black are good values, work ethic, acceptable service to the black community and/or a sound intellect--and that if a black person lacks these qualities he/she should not be entitled to what ever privileges comes with being black--all of which is absurd. Do you know how many hard working, intelligent white folks are out there providing service to uplift the black community even as we write? Should they be considered black? And how 'bout the millions of dead beat white parents with no values, ethics or service to their community--are they not still considered white and beneficiaries of white privileges?? Come on. Your post is sexy, music to the ears of many but y'no it makes absolutely no sense. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3033
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 10:32 pm: |
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Yvette,
("David Shwimmer for Jay-Z!")
IN A HEARTBEAT!! LOL!! |
Prettybabygirl
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Prettybabygirl
Post Number: 372
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 5 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 14, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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I disagree with Yukio.
The more I examine this society, the more I am starting to agree with the guidelines about "race" in Kola Boof's autobiography. As Kola demonstrates, we cannot separate the mental from the physical, and skin color dictates how we are treated by both whites and blacks, the darkest experiencing the purest reactions to blackness.
Physical blackness is the greatest indicator of who is black, regardless of their brainwashing, self-hatred, etc.
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Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1353
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 12:40 am: |
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PBG:
Of course you can not separate the mental from the physical...but you can not judge a book by its cover either...
What of pure light skinned Africans? Are they less black than very dark skinned African Americans?
Tonya:
You started off right when you used precautious words, such as "sound like," but then you conclude with faulty questions that assume that your initial statements were in fact correct. They are not! In fact, they make "absolutely no sense!"
No, I am not saying that all it takes to be black are "good values, work ethic, acceptable service to the black community and/or a sound intellect."
My post had nothing to do with what white people do. Instead, it has to do with the fact that the color of a black person does not tell us if that black person will give to the cause. I asked a question about two black women. Relatives in fact! One light skinned and the other dark skinned!
A more interesting engagement with my post would have addressed the fact that they are from the same elite black family....and that while one is lighter, she is much more directly involved with the black community than her darker cousin, who is doing the dirty work of a conservative, tyrant of a president.
The point was that we have two black women who are both contributing to this country and their communities...and color is not the main determinant, but consciousness and ideology are. This does not diminish the significance and influence of color, it just shows that color is only a starting point...it is not the alpha and omega!
Is Troy dark enough? He is not the darkest brother in the world is he? Lets boycott AALBC because we got this light skinned brother--who is probably a half breed living as a black man--who has established a website for and about black literature, poetry, and non-fiction.
Lets do it! Sorry Troy! You been found out! I knew he was not authentically black when I saw that he is both light skinned and has good hair...its over! He and Beyonce's father could be kin...and we know she aint black! This site needs an enema!
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Prettybabygirl
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Username: Prettybabygirl
Post Number: 373
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 01:25 am: |
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That's just it Yukio.
"pure" light skinned Africans do not call themselves Black and we've heard tons of African scholars now who say that there is no such thing as a "light skinned" Black person.
You don't have to be Black to be African.
Troy Johnson is much darker than me. I still believe that Clarence Thomas is blacker than him, genetically.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3038
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 03:57 am: |
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Maybe I got Troy Johnson wrong because, if I'm not mistaking, and I doubt that I am, the picture that I saw was of a dark-skinned kinky-headed black man. He may have had a couple wave cap waves, I don't know, but he looked nappy headed to me. Perhaps it wasn't Troy Johnson but the man that I saw is a black black man. Anyway, you DIDN’T mention white people, I did--and you are still missing the point. What about all the faceless, nameless middle class white women that have done just as much, if not more, than Connie Rice has done for the African American community...those that will never get credit (from us) for what they do--they "give to the cause." Bono and Angelina Jolie and George Clooney all give to the cause. The biggest contributors to the cause are white people; giving to the cause has NOTHING to do with color?
Consciousness and ideology are components yes, but experiences are what form consciousness and thus determine blackness. Black experiences are the heart. If you want to get down to it, they are indeed the alpha and omega!
Big ups to our esteemed brother and creator of this magnificent informative jewel of a site, Troy Johnson. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1354
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 10:34 am: |
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Tonya:
No. That is not Troy Johnson.
Have I misread your prior post? Or are you using some dirty tactics to buttress your points?
Were you making a point?
Or, where you asking me a question based on my post?
It seems that you tried to do both. But I ask you, how would I get a point derived wrongly from my own post when I know what I meant?
If you had a point, you should have stated it directly rather than build off my post which had nothing to do with white people!
In fact, your point is already implied in my post since I was talking about black people, and therefore their experiences as black people are taken for granted. One of my points was that you are sinking in very deep water when you create a hierarchy of blackness based on color.
With that said, I clearly agree that consciousness, ideology, and experiences are essential to being black.
Experiences can be a touchy subject, however. I remember when I took a class in African American history, and a foolish black man said something like, "I don't need to take this class cause I been catchin hell all my life!"...the class laughed...but he was barely 20 yrs old and ignorant. As the class progressed, he didn't know nothin about his own town [i went to school in NC], nothin about black people in his state, and shit about this country... he had anecdotes that showed racism but not a context and since everyone had a story it could easily become a feel good moment[a la Oprah] before the professor brought us back to the lesson and the meaning of all of these experiences...
I know the three white people you have identified are rich and have given time and money, but the biggest contributors are dead! I don't even know how you quantify such a thing anyway...
These people are still white and benefit from white privilege...yes, yes, yes...BUT as both of us have stated, I aint said shit about white folk...so again, your points and posts are well taken and I agree with them, but they aint got shit to do with mine!
So why use my post to mask your very valid points? Why make me seem like the bad guy...LOL! You say, "it sounds like you are saying...all of which is absurd....Your post is sexy, music to the ears of many but y'no it makes absolutely no sense."
And then, how fortunate we are, you unmask you intent...out of the closet if you will and admit that I aint said shit bout white folk and that indeed you had. Thats was nice of you. But then again you state: you are still missing the point.
Of course I am! Your point was hid is malice! LOL!
Anyways, if you have a point make it rather than try to appropriate mine as a means to soil my post and uplift yours.
It is a shame you have to use such dirty tactics to make your very vaild points! The shame!
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Yukio
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1355
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 10:39 am: |
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PBG:
I think Kola would disagree with you. At any rate, I am neither a geneticist nor do I base blackness on genes. I based it on history and the experiences of black peoples as groups. So I will respectfully leave it there. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2454
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 11:02 am: |
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They might be happy. Put it in writing! Put it in writing! They might chortle.
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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3044
Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 01:04 pm: |
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Sorry bro--didn't mean any dirty tactics--I swear that wasn't my intent. 
My first post was poorly written which probably added to your misreading my second one--sorry for that too. Really, I meant no harm. Besides, Yukio, it’s me, Tonya (??). Ease up brother--I ain’t out to cause you no trouble.
Yukio:
I ask you, how would I get a point derived wrongly from my own post when I know what I meant?
Tonya:
I was referring to my point--( i.e. service to the black community and "giving to the cause" having nothing to do with color)--which was made to counter your implications suggesting that it's better to measure Authentic Blackness by work and service rather than color. You wrote: "lets look at the color of connie rice and condi rice...which is more authentically black...should we go by color or work and service?"
Yukio:
One of my points was that you are sinking in very deep water when you create a hierarchy of blackness based on color.
Tonya:
I'mmm creating a hierarchy??? Please Yukio. The hierarchy was created on the plantation long long ago and was notably sustained by blacks all throughout history...during slavery, after slavery and till this very day. How dare you say that I created this hierarchy? I'm just a proponent of preserving the blackness that this light is right hierarchy has pretty much desecrated.
Yukio:
These people are still white and benefit from white privilege...yes, yes, yes...
Tonya:
Dont' know what you meant by this statement and I'm not trying to pull anything dirty, okay? Let me just point out that so do light-skinned blacks, they benifit from color privileges also--therefore their services and “giving to the cause” are not that far off from white people’s in the sense that both parties enjoy privileges gained through the oppression of black people. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3045
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 01:57 pm: |
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Yukio, are you saying that this isn't Troy Johnson?
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/1/11607.html?1149219897 |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3048
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 02:59 pm: |
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Oh and Yukio...we have to both backtrack and acknowledge the fact that black people in this and other countries are not monolithic..
and so ideology is not AT ALL essential to being “African American.” It isn’t now...and we were probably ignorant to believe that it ever was.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4844
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 03:41 pm: |
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We can all disagree about what "blackness" is and who meets the test for it, but nobody is the final arbitrator. It's all subjective. And my subjective opinion is that anybody courageous enough to claim their blackness when to do so will guarantee them so much injustice and pain, has earned the right to "pass as black". Everybody keeps saying that race is an artificial concept and that black skin is just one barometer of the negroid stock, and this is true. There is no general consensus among 25 millions slave descendants about what constitutes blackness as it exists in America. All of those indignant voices with political agendas can only speak for that segment who accept their contrived idea of what blackness truly is. Or is a mixed person really obligated to ignore their other blood lines. Acknowledging their black blood is at least an act of honesty. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3050
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 04:08 pm: |
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Yeah but acknowledging it doesn't make a person black…no more than if I were to acknowledge the few drops of white blood that I may have would make me white. To many African Americans--way more than we like to admit--some mixed people just are not black. If a person doesn’t look black to a great many of us…that person isn't black. The thing is Black people have always been too polite to say this. It is one of our dirty little secrets--a part of that taboo. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4845
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 04:18 pm: |
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There are 2 types of mixed people; those who choose to embrace their blackness by living as a black person and those who choose simply to acknowledge their blackness but live instead as a mixed person. It boils down to the intangible that is an individual's mind-set. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3054
Registered: 07-2005
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Agreed.
And there’s the kind of African Americans that choose to view some people's blackness according to how they look. This constitutes a very substantial number of African Americans--most usually don’t express it out in the open.
It's called political correctness. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4846
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 05:09 pm: |
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I don't understand what you're saying, Tonya. Are you contending that the majority of black people keep how they view mixed people a secret because of political correctness?? I disagree. I don't think the majority of black people are that discriminating. They accept any black person who says they're black and who acts in accordance with what they say. It's no big deal. Except to a minority of people like you. |
Prettybabygirl
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Username: Prettybabygirl
Post Number: 375
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 05:21 pm: |
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A rapidly growing minority.
Hell, I don't even think it's a minority.
Did anybody get the "message" in Morrison's novel "PARADISE"?
I never got it until last week when an ex boyfriend pointed it out to me.
I got a chill when he told me. That's why I believe it's not a minority.
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Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 403
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 05:39 pm: |
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To many African Americans--way more than we like to admit--some mixed people just are not black. If a person doesn’t look black to a great many of us…that person isn't black. The thing is Black people have always been too polite to say this.
This type of thinking is a perfect example of why people should not smoke crack or do drugs. IT DESTROYS BRAIN CELLS..!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4848
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 05:48 pm: |
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Oh, so you have a boyfriend now, "prettybabygirl". Is he black or white? Or Cuban. And is the average black person really reading out-of-print books by Toni Morrison?? We are all treading a slippery slope when we venture to speculate about what the MAJORITY of black people from coast-to-coast, from-east-to-west, from north-to-south are thinking, or how they act upon what they think. The one thing they seem to have in common is that their priorities are very materialistic in nature and that The White Man is their main nemesis. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3056
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 05:55 pm: |
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Cynnique:
I don't think the majority of black people are that discriminating.
Tonya:
I think the majority of blacks are no different than any other groups of people when it comes to race and color. I don’t see why an adult would think otherwise, unless he/she is helplessly naïve. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 404
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 05:55 pm: |
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”We can all disagree about what "blackness" is and who meets the test for it, but nobody is the final arbitrator. It's all subjective………….There is no general consensus among 25 millions slave descendants about what constitutes blackness as it exists in America. All of those indignant voices with political agendas can only speak for that segment who accept their contrived idea of what blackness truly is…….”
Uh oh…..there you go Cynique! Making sense again! I’ve mentioned this before. Although your objective commentary is accurate and irrefutable, you’re only going to confuse some of the readers. Your statements are a compelling articulation of reality and common sense. Unfortunately, there are a few readers who will mindlessly challenge it with twisted logic that is shelved out of a putrid swamp of intellectually bankrupt black nationalism and self delusionment.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3057
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 06:05 pm: |
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Okay Yukio. Think what you like, even though none of it is based on logic or reason, which is a tad surprising coming from you.
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Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1358
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 06:07 pm: |
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So, now I am illogical. LOL! Evidence please? |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1359
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 15, 2006 - 06:10 pm: |
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Tonya:
I was referring to my point--( i.e. service to the black community and "giving to the cause" having nothing to do with color)--which was made to counter your implications suggesting that it's better to measure Authentic Blackness by work and service rather than color. You wrote: "lets look at the color of connie rice and condi rice...which is more authentically black...should we go by color or work and service?"
Me:
Yes. I was suggesting that “it's better to measure Authentic Blackness by work and service rather than color,” but my comments pertained to black people not white people. In the same post that you quote I wrote,”people need to affirm our color AND do work that uplifts us...without the work...we will have just dark skinned people, poor, ignorant, and on welfare!” Here in, I am making two points. One, we need black people who will do the work to help their own. Two, to not do the necessary work and service and to restrict black love and blackness for that matter to dark skinned people would lead to poor dark skinned babes. This latter point is reference to the black couples, like Beyonce and Jigga, that some of you have maligned. The larger point, of course, is that regardless of the color of black people, if we do not create opportunities for eachother, educate eachother, and uplift eachother, black people—dark and light—will be impoverished and angry and imprisoned. Much of what we are seeing in the making now!
Tonya:
I'mmm creating a hierarchy??? Please Yukio. The hierarchy was created on the plantation long long ago and was notably sustained by blacks all throughout history...during slavery, after slavery and till this very day. How dare you say that I created this hierarchy? I'm just a proponent of preserving the blackness that this light is right hierarchy has pretty much desecrated.
Me: Fall back! I wasn’t talking about you. Remember, I was defending my initial point, which was directed to the site in general not you my dear.
Me: I wrote, “These people are still white and benefit from white privilege...yes, yes, yes...” because you said, “And how 'bout the millions of dead beat white parents with no values, ethics or service to their community--are they not still considered white and beneficiaries of white privileges??” Remember? I was responding to your post, Tonya!
Tonya:
Dont' know what you meant by this statement and I'm not trying to pull anything dirty, okay? Let me just point out that so do light-skinned blacks, they benifit from color privileges also--therefore their services and “giving to the cause” are not that far off from white people’s in the sense that both parties enjoy privileges gained through the oppression of black people.
Me: I agree that light skinned blacks benefit from color privileges, but to argue that “their services and “giving to the cause” are not that far off from white people’s in the sense that both parties enjoy privileges gained through the oppression of black people” is wrong to say the least!
To be clear, the history of African Americans in the US is one of race first and then color. In layman’s terms, when they went to lynch a niggah…a niggah could be light skinned, dark skinned, or socalled mulatto, but he wasn’t gonna circumvent that noose or get a job, a loan, etc…...unless, of course, he could pass as white. This doesn’t deny color privileges, but it makes clear that the notion that light skinned blacks being not far off from white people is egregious!
By the way, are you equating black people with dark skinned black people?
Yes. The man in that link is Troy. He is also Beyonce’s complexion. There are other pics…that show his complexion. LOL! Actually, I am not black either, because Troy and I could be kin…LOL!
Tonya:
Oh and Yukio...we have to both backtrack and acknowledge the fact that black people in this and other countries are not monolithic..
Me: Speak for yourself. I have never, ever claimed that black people are monolithic…in fact, if you knew me better, you would never have made such a statement.
Tonya:
and so ideology is not AT ALL essential to being “African American.” It isn’t now...and we were probably ignorant to believe that it ever was.
Me:
I never said that ideology was essential to being “African American.” When I used the word ideology, I used it to refer to some set of political ideas that influenced the individual to do something. You can call it a philosophy, belief system or what have you. I am in no way trying to be academic.
Now, using ideology differently, I do think that ideology is essential to being African Americans. There are dark and light skinned black people who call themselves American first and black second. There is an ideology, I think, behind this way of self-identification. There are those you call themselves Negro—such as Stanley Crouch. Again, there is a particular ideology behind this. And there are various ways to interpret the use of African American; all with some sort of ideology behind them. Let me give you an example:
African American: a person of African descent and an ancestor of slaves in the U.S.
African American: a person of African descent and an ancestor of slaves born in the Americas, including North, South, Central America and the Caribbean.
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Ntfs_encryption
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"There are those you call themselves Negro—such as Stanley Crouch. Again, there is a particular ideology behind this."
Awwwwww....you don't meant that!? So you think bro Stanley would refer to himself and other blacks as "Negroes"? |
Yukio
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Ntfs_encryption: This is documented... |
Brownbeauty123
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Yeah, Jay Z is very colorstruck. In his lyrics he raps about his love for "redbones".
His past lovers were:
Blue Cantrel (biracial; black&white)
Rosario Dawson (multiracial; black/hispanic/??)
Aaliyah (light complected; they dated for 6 months before passing her over to his best friend Damon Dash)
Beyonce Knowles (light complexion)
There were rumors that he was just "fucking" Foxy Brown. With that being said, they have a very close & loving friendship. Not sure if they were ever *really* lovers.
Notorious B.I.G had a thing for light complected women as well. Lil' Kim said that he was part of the reason she went into the "transition" on her appearance. |
Prettybabygirl
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Rosario Dawson was never with Jay Z.
Her was chasing her, and she received tons of gifts and money from him, but they were never an item. Read her interview in REDBOOK a few years back.
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Brownbeauty123
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Well, we do know what "type" of girls he's most likely to pursue. |
Abm
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BB123,
What "type" is that? Those who have vaginas? |
Brownbeauty123
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Yes. And they must be lightskin. Jay Z has made it no secret that he loves "redbones". |
Prettybabygirl
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Jay Z is ugly as shit.
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Abm
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BB123,
Okay. But, to be somewhat fair, Jay-Z is NOT the darkest Black person HIMSELF. I mean, maybe it's the lighting. But he appears to be about as lightskinned as Beyonce...if not lighter. |
Brownbeauty123
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He truly is.
Nas hit it on the nail when he said he looks like that damn camel for Newport cigarettes. |
Schakspir
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"Tonya:
I think the majority of blacks are no different than any other groups of people when it comes to race and color. I don�t see why an adult would think otherwise, unless he/she is helplessly na�ve."
It also depends on the reigon. Tonya writes as if the part of the country she lives in represents the whole, and that's not true. Parts of Black America(regionally speaking)are more color conscious than others, esp. Louisiana, Ohio, South Carolina, I would assume, and others. |
Brownbeauty123
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"Okay. But, to be somewhat fair, Jay-Z is NOT the darkest Black person HIMSELF. I mean, maybe it's the lighting. But he appears to be about as lightskinned as Beyonce...if not lighter."
He used to be darker before he got money.
No, he's not the darkest out of the bunch. But I was just saying what type he usually pursues lightskin/biracial/mixed type of girls. He desperately wanted their approval moreso than any other shade of women. Jay Z has openly admitted that he's colorstruck himself.
He's so damn ugly I truly couldn't care less what he likes. I don't want him. Nas is more my type.. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"Ntfs_encryption: This is documented..."
Yeah, I know. I was just playin'. I've been following Stanley’s writings for many years. I've always been baffled by his insistence on calling black people "Negroes". It's hard to judge or determine what people are thinking sometimes. |
Abm
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BB123,
Ugly or not. Jay-Z's a WINNER...through & through.
Just ask the lovely Beyonce. |
Lil_ze
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when the hell are we as a people going to get past this light skin dark skin foolishness?
our people who have lighter skin (beyonce, Aaliyah, kareem-abdul jabbar, angel davis etc), are no less "black" than michael jordan or wesley snipes. its so simple to look at some of our people and declare they are not "black" or "authentic", because they are light skinned.
again, you can have two dark skin parents who give birth to a light skin child. also you can have two light skin parents who give birth to a dark skin baby. those of our people who are light, are no less "black" than ANY of us.
can we please wake the hell up!!!!! |
Cynique
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To me, JZ is not ugly. He's just an average looking guy. His height is a plus and his eyes are his best feature because they have a soulful quality that alternates between shyness and boldness. And I'm sure he has other hidden talents that keep Beyonce shoutin "Yes, Jehova, you da man!" |
Abm
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Cynique,
Dang, girl. Sounds like Beyonce ain't the only hot chick who'd let Jay-Z...cut. |
Tonya
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THE DEFINITION OF A BEAUTIFUL LIGHT/MULTIRACIAL/COLORED WOMAN:
http://www.koolcelebrities.com/artists/alicia_keys/11.shtml
http://www.koolcelebrities.com/artists/alicia_keys/5.shtml
http://www.koolcelebrities.com/artists/alicia_keys/10.shtml
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FOR ALL YOU SLOP FETCHERS-----
ALL YOU COMPLACENT PUSSSILLANIMOUS BUTTBOYS-----
THAT ARE HELL-BENT ON WOLFING DOWN THE MAN'S SHODDY LEFTOVERS---
AND CAN’T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. |
Brownbeauty123
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Lil' Ze, it's not that often that two darkskin Black ppl produce a lightskin child--please stop preaching that mess. Unless they're mixed themselves. But not between two unmixed Black folks usually their children come out brown or dark like them. Most lightskin ppl usually are a product of one or two lightskin parents. Every celeb you named are a product of that; Aaliyah--Lightskin Mother; Beyonce--Lightskin Creole Mother/Darkskin Father. I'm not familiar with the others but I'm sure it's pretty similar to the others.
ABM, his money is the winner. And I really don't consider Beyonce the measure of a woman. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"....it's not that often that two darkskin Black ppl produce a lightskin child--please stop preaching that mess. Unless they're mixed themselves."
Uhhhhhh....ok...is that important somehow? Just curious...... |
Lil_ze
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brownbeauty, i don't know what your experience is. two dark skin parents can produce a light skin child. how often it happens is debatable. my point was that noone that i named is any less black than anybody else. this unmixed nonsecse that you talk is true "mess". who the hell are you to say that some of our light skin people are any less black than anyone else? do you or anyone else have any proof that our people who are light are any less black or authentic? if so bring the facts. |
Abm
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BB123,
Jay-Z is an exceptional performer and business man.
And don't go hatin' on Beyonce cause she's bagged a successful Black man. Maybe one day that will happen for you too. |
Fortified
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Men who should be kicked out:
Cam'ron
Snoop
Jaheim
Charles Barkley
Wesley Snipes
Women who should be kicked out:
RemyMa
Jackie-O
Khia
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Mzuri
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I don't feel that Jay-Z is ugly, he's just a plain jane like most of the rest of us. LOL! |
Brownbeauty123
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ABM, maybe one day YOU will become one
"Uhhhhhh....ok...is that important somehow? Just curious......"
Did you completely skip over the content of Lil Ze's post? The one who introduced this subject in the first place |
Azmera
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What gets me about all that has been said is that we are black people still have a slavery mentality when dealing with skin color. No matter how much education we get or how much knowledge we think we have gained we can't get passed the paper bag test can we. When do we just base blackness or being african american on whether or not the person has any percent of african or black in them for if you are going to go there then go on and do the if you have any black ancestors you are black. Because it can go either way if you have any white then why can't you be white also for most african-americans/ blacks/negroes have some white or native american in there back grounds hardly any of us that have been here in this country since slavery are all african. And some coming out of africa aren't all african either for it was colonized by the white man for just as long as the americas' have been or longer. That's why it is in the shape that it is in. To me if you aren't going to kick people out of the race for anything it should be what they are or aren't doing to help black people first, africans' second and the world third. If you aren't about nothing or aren't trying to do anything but make money sleep with any and everyone and buy things then we don't need ya. |
Mzuri
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Hello Azmera & Welcome!!! 
We're not really trying to kick anyone out of the race, we're just being facetious. I never gave any thought to the white man mixing with Blacks over in Africa. But I guess you have a point. We're all mixed up regardless of where we are. |
Azmera
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I know that it's all in fun and all that. It's just that I think we as black people sometimes make way to big of a deal out of skin color because to the most racist person it's not about how light or dark you are for you can be light, bright and damn near white and they would still hate you. We have to look deeper and see what and where the person is coming from with whatever they say and do for there are some people that probably should be kicked out of our ethnic group and the human race all together also. |
Mzuri
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Well, fasten your seatbelt - the subject of skin tone is one of our favorite topics. But you know that already - huh? LOL |
Azmera
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yea I find that skin color and relations between black women and men are our favorite topics when we as black people get on the computer either in chat rooms or message board. For it's like that's what everything to us boils down to. For the topic can start out as something else but it ends up being one of those 2 things when all is said and done for the most part. I just figure some how can take things to a bigger plane than what we usually do is all. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"yea I find that skin color and relations between black women and men are our favorite topics when we as black people get on the computer either in chat rooms or message board. For it's like that's what everything to us boils down to."
This is very true. I personally find this skin color obsession among blacks to be disgusting and offensive. There is no excuse for it. And I do not buy into the tired 25 brain cell argument that it is the white man's fault. But there are certain instances where it may apply. This is a fact that is irrefutable. But as an individual, you are free to resist the mindless preoccupation with another persons skin color. THIS DISGUSTING MINDSET IS NOT GENETIC! YOU HAVE A CHOICE! How is that so? I am black and so are a number of my friends and we all reject the divisive antagonistic good/bad color index that is advocated and encouraged by a few fools on this board. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SAY NO!!!
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