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Tonya
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The Lucrative Business of Black Leadership
By Earl Ofari Hutchinson
The headline in a leading Los Angeles black newspaper gloated "Community Leaders Support New Historic Driving While Black Bill." There were two things wrong with this. The bill by Black Democratic State Senator Kevin Murray that purported to attack the problem of racial profiling of minorities by law enforcement agencies in California was neither new nor historic. It was a terribly compromised bill that ripped the provision out of an earlier Murray bill mandating that police compile racial stats on unwarranted traffic stops.
Most experts agree that this is the only way to tell if police profile black and Latino motorists.
But the bigger thing wrong with the headline was that it presumed that the handful of black organizations pictured beneath the headline with names such as Zulu Men, Mothers in Action, African-American Unity Center, Black Agenda, and Black Ministers Conference could speak for all blacks. There was no indication who these groups represent and what their program is.
The arrogance of a handful of amorphous groups claiming to be the exclusive voice for blacks is the big reason many blacks ask, "Where are the black leaders?" "What are they doing for the community" They are talking about black leaders such as these as well as the NAACP, SCLC, Urban League, CORE, the Brotherhood Crusade, Jesse Jackson's Operation Push, black Democratic politicians, black ministers and celebrity activists.
Many of these leaders are mostly middle-class business and professional persons. Their agenda and top down style of leadership is remote, distant, and often wildly out of step with the needs of poor and working class blacks. They often approach tough public policy issues such as the astronomical black imprisonment rates, the dreary plight of poor black women, black homelessness, black-on-black crime and violence, the drug crisis, gang warfare, and school vouchers, with a strange blend of caution, uncertainty, and wariness. They keep counsel only with those black ministers, politicians, and professional and business leaders they consider respectable and legitimate and will blindly march in lockstep with their program.
Worst of all, they horribly disfigure black leadership by turning it into a corporate style competitive business in which success is measured by piling up political favors and corporate dollars. The sad thing is that it wasn't always this way. For decades mainstream black organizations such as the NAACP relied on the nickels and dimes of poor and working class blacks for their support. This gave them complete independence and a solid constituency to mount powerful campaigns for jobs, better housing, quality schools, and against police violence and lynching.
The profound shift in the method and style of black leadership began in the 1970s. With the murders of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Malcolm X, the collapse of the traditional civil rights organizations, the destruction and co-optation of militant activist groups, mainstream black leaders, politicians and ministers did a sharp volte face. They quickly defined the black agenda as: starting more and better businesses, grabbing more spots in corporations universities, and the professions, electing more Democrats, buying bigger and more expensive homes, taking more luxury vacations, and gaining admission into more country clubs.
They launched a frenzied campaign to establish themselves as the leaders of record for African-Americans. Their reward was more business and construction contracts, foundation grants, corporate contributions to their fundraising campaigns, dinners, banquets, scholarship funds and training programs. To keep the corporate dollars and political favors flowing smoothly, mainstream black leaders had to do several things.
- Monopolize leadership. They hold endless meetings, planning sessions, conferences, and confabs in which they back pat and self-stroke themselves with awards, plaques, tributes and testimonials. This enables them to better cut front and backroom deals, broker legislation and hatch schemes with politicians and business leaders on behalf of black communities but for their own personal gain.
- Pick low risk, high profile glitter issues. The NAACP's fight over the Confederate flag, the TV industry's white out of minorities, and the use of the word "nigger" are textbook examples of how mainstream black groups choose soft targets to get media attention, celebrity endorsements, and political prestige. These issues do not offend governors, mayors, city councilpersons, alderpersons, state and federal officials, corporate leaders and bank lenders.
- Media hogging. They frantically maneuver to command center stage at press conferences, get their pictures and quotes in news stories and features, and put their media spin on racial issues. This further solidifies their position as the annointed black leaders.
- Crush all opposition. They ruthlessly try to isolate, intimidate, and ostracize independent community activists who refuse to take their marching orders from them and are not in the hip pocket of politicians and corporate officials.
Those black leaders who turn leadership into a lucrative business transaction smother new, innovative local leadership, deaden social and political activism in black communities, and deepen cynicism of poor and working class blacks toward black organizations. This is a good business for them but a bad business for blacks.
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Earl Ofari Hutchinson is the author of the forthcoming The Disappearance of Black Leadership (Middle Passage Press, Los Angeles, April 2000; Call 323-298-0266 for more information.)
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/9289/ |
Cynique
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A very telling testimony to how certain black leaders actually depend on racism to perpetuate a need for their existence. The race card is their ace in the hole, and the winner takes all. |
Kola_boof
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I will never forgive Earl Ofari Hutchison for his ignorant attack on Marita Golden's book "Don't Play In the Sun"---his assertion, as the light skinned son of a nearly white mother---being that "Colorism" doesn't exist and is blown out of proportion.
He needs to go to fucking hell.
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Tonya
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Cynnique, what are you talking about? I haven't heard a leader say a thing about race in almost ten years. I doubt if we're going to hear them say it for at least another ten. It doesn't seem to serve their interest any more... to say it. |
Tonya
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Hey Kola,
He must have done his homework--he seems to have changed his tune about colorism regarding the plight of black men.
Either that or he doesn’t realize that “internalized racism” is nothing more than another way of saying COLORISM.
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Black-on-Black Violence
By Earl Ofari Hutchinson, AlterNet. Posted June 20, 2006.
The murder of five teens in New Orleans is a cue to question the violence plaguing our cities -- and the internalized racism fueling the carnage.
When the FBI released its latest annual crime report showing that violent crime is on the upswing in many big cities, a bevy of law enforcement, officials, and criminologists prayed that the report was just an aberrant blip on the crime chart.
There was good reason to hope that: murder rates have plunged in big cities during the past decade, and there was every expectation that things would stay that way.
The recent slaughter of five teens in New Orleans and a desperate plea from Mayor Ray Nagin to send in the National Guard to help patrol the streets shattered that hope. While the murder rate in big cities is still lower than it was a decade ago, the terrifying reality is that in New Orleans and other big cities, the victims and their killers are almost always young black males.
In the 25 years of homicide records from 1976 to 2002 by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks are six times more likely to be murdered than whites, and seven times more likely to kill than whites. They are far more likely to be gunned down over gang or drug disputes. New Orleans police speculate that that was the reason the five teens were killed.
President Bush recognized that big city violence was a crisis problem. In his State of the Union Address in 2005, he pledged to shell out $150 million to youth education and violence prevention programs. It was well intentioned, but it was still a far cry from what was needed to stem the gunplay on urban streets. And as has been the case with other Bush initiatives, unveiled with much public fanfare, the attack on urban violence has fizzled out due to lack of money and lack of will to push it through. But even if the money and will were there, that would not get at the cause of why so many young blacks kill each other.
More police, prosecutors, "three strikes" and mandatory sentencing laws, the death penalty, and the nearly one million blacks behind bars have done little to curb this carnage. Despite the pet theories of liberals and conservatives, blacks aren't killing each other because they are violent or crime-prone by nature, because they are poor and oppressed, or even because they are acting out the obscene violence they see and hear on TV, films, and in gangster-rap lyrics.
The violence results from a combustible blend of cultural and racial baggage many blacks carry. In the past, crimes committed by blacks against other blacks were often ignored or lightly punished. The implicit message was that black lives were expendable. It would be no surprise if the killer or killers of the New Orleans teens had a long, violent rap sheet but continued to roam the streets.
Many studies have confirmed that the punishment violent blacks receive when their victim is white is far more severe than if the victim is black. This perceived devaluation of black lives by racism has provoked disrespect for the law, and has forced many blacks to internalize anger and misplace aggression onto other blacks -- especially those that are perceived as weak or defenseless.
Far too many young black males have become especially adept at acting out their frustrations at white society's denial of their "manhood" by adopting an exaggerated "tough guy" role. They swagger, boast, curse, fight and commit violent, self-destructive acts. When many black males indulge their murderous impulses on other black males, they are often taking out their pent-up frustrations on those whom they perceive as helpless and hapless. This is a warped response to racism and deprivation, blocked opportunities, powerlessness and alienation.
The Bureau of Justice Statistics noted that the other powerful ingredient in the deadly mix of black-on-black violence is the gang and drug plague. The resurgence of the drug trade in recent years and the flood of felons from prisons have made black gangs even bigger and more dangerous. Drug trafficking not only provided illicit profits, but also made gun play more widespread. Gang members used their arsenals to fend off attacks, protect their profits from predators, and settle scores with rivals. Broken homes, miserably failing inner city schools, and a chronic unemployment rate among young blacks -- which is double and triple that of white males in urban areas -- haven't helped matters.
Other than comedian Bill Cosby and some outraged local black leaders, mainstream civil rights figures haven't said or done much about the black carnage. The sight of the National Guard on New Orleans streets may be a temporary comfort to residents and city officials, but it's only that: temporary comfort.
An impassioned Mayor Nagin put it best: local residents and community groups must put their foot down, say enough is enough, and take back their streets. That's still the best way to stop the violence.
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/37858/ |
Cynique
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I didn't say "race", Tonya, I said "racism", a word that comes out of the mouth of almost every black leader on a regular basis, as they strategically place the "race card".
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Tonya
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When was the last time you heard one of them say racism?
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Kola_boof
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No..Tonya, he has not changed his tune AT ALL.
Black on Black violence is NOT the same as "colorism".
One is a criminal act--mostly reached the same way White on White violence is reached.
The other is a Social/Pathological behavior code.
They are not the same thing and Hutchison, because he is not colorist himself (supposedly)--completely refuted and attacked Marita Golden's book and the entire issue of "colorism".
PROBABLY from guilt this nearly White mother and he benefit from it.
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Ntfs_encryption
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"I didn't say "race", Tonya, I said "racism", a word that comes out of the mouth of almost every black leader on a regular basis, as they strategically place the "race card".
True. But be careful, as I noted in another post, you're making too much sense here. You're only going to confuse them even further. Sometimes a dose of the truth is not always as effective as we would like for it to be.
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Kola_boof
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READ FOR YOURSELF TONYA:
Color Wars
By Earl Ofari Hutchinson,
author of
Wednesday, May 19, 2004; Page C04
Marita Golden has written a fascinating and frustrating book. Her target is the intraracial warfare that supposedly rages between light- and dark-skinned blacks. My frustration starts with the title, "Don't Play in the Sun." This was the perennial warning that Golden's mother shouted at her. The meaning was clear: The sun would further darken her skin and make her an even greater object of contempt and scorn by whites and light-complexioned blacks.
My mother shouted the same words at me and commanded that I wear a cap when I went out to play. Though my mother warned me not to play in the sun, she did not deny her blackness. She was light enough to pass for white but angrily rejected any suggestion that she do so. She did not thumb her nose at darker-skinned blacks, and that certainly included my very brown-skinned father.
In Golden's view, those with dark skin are not just Ralph Ellison's "Invisible Man" but also Richard Wright's "Outsider." They are perpetually banished to the outer fringe of society. Dark skin damns you to a life sentence of dirty jobs, poor education and failed relationships. As Golden bluntly puts it, "Light skin equals privilege, power, and influence."
That's much too big, broad and sweeping a generalization to be taken as anything more than opinion based on raw anecdotes, gossip, suspicion and belief. There's no solid proof that all, or even most, whites make fine distinctions between blacks of different shades. In America the one-drop rule renders that impossible. Anyone with any trace of black ancestry, no matter how light they are, is considered black and can be whipped by the lash of racial persecution. In fact, for every light-complexioned black, such as Secretary of State Colin Powell, who attains fame and success, there are many more dark-complexioned blacks, such as national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. They have reached a pinnacle of fame and success and live a privileged life.
Golden blames white society for saddling a curse-of-Ham complex of self-hatred on blacks: "Whites constructed the color complex and imposed a system of rewards and punishments to uphold it, and its insidious results shape nearly every aspect of life in this country, working hand in glove with racism." She passionately argues that the color complex, and the vicious stereotypes it conjures, have proven most devastating for dark-skinned black women.
The stereotypes were permanently burned into the minds of many Americans in ads, films and early television sitcoms. In "Amos 'n' Andy," Sapphire was shrill, domineering and bossy; Mama was boozy, ignorant and crude; Widow Parker was a scheming gold digger on the prowl for men and money; and Madam Queen was a sexually loose con artist. In "Gone With the Wind" and popular product advertisements, Mammy and Aunt Jemima were depicted as fat, dark-skinned, bandanna-wearing, eternally suffering and patient earth mothers (to whites).
Yet a strong case could be made that light-complexioned women have also been the victims of vicious racist and sexist stereotypes. The very light-complexioned Nina Mae McKinney in "Hallelujah," Lena Horne in "Cabin in the Sky," Dorothy Dandridge in "Carmen Jones" and Fredi Washington in "Imitation of Life" were all depicted as tramps, whores or exotic temptresses. The image of the sexually immoral black woman has been firmly enshrined in the popular mind by light-, not dark-complexioned, black women.
Golden insists that the color complex has had a pernicious global creep. She describes with anger and disgust how Nigerian women dump bleaching potions, with all their dangerous health effects, on their skin, and how in Cuba and Brazil, the police routinely profile dark-skinned blacks, while longstanding workplace prejudices relegate them to the dirtiest, most menial jobs and often exclude them from top governmental posts. Many African women may pine to be slim, light-skinned and have straight hair, but that's hardly the universal beauty standard in most African countries, including Nigeria. Golden admits the light-is-beautiful look is mostly an urban phenomenon and limited to younger African women.
Golden contends that even women who revel in their blackness aren't immune from racial confusion. A case in point is tennis superstar Serena Williams, whom Golden gushes over for redefining beauty standards. She celebrates Williams as a big, brash, black and athletic wunderkind who wears form-revealing outfits that flaunt her "backside, her Black, her African, derriere," and who has transformed her dark skin from a badge of shame into a badge of pride: "Serena Williams is by her public presentation asserting that brown to black women are sexual, and feminine." But what about Serena's Goldilocks hair extensions? Golden does an about-face from her earlier rant against black women burning, bleaching, dyeing, curling, weaving and extending their hair in an eternal hunt to ape the blond-and-beautiful white beauty standard. Now Golden seems to accept Serena's blond hair simply as part of her redefinition of beauty standards. In other words, dark-skinned women can be big, pretty, dark and blond, too.
Golden, like many black women, is convinced that European beauty standards have so mesmerized black men that they regard white women and light-skinned black women as trophies that fulfill their desire for power, status and acceptance in the white-dominated world. But that ignores the fact that many prominent black men -- athletes, entertainers and successful professionals -- have married or are married to brown- or even dark-skinned black women. They evidently did not pick their mates solely on the arbitrary standard of skin color.
In the book's ending, "Letter to a Black Girl I Know," Golden admonishes blacks "to stop believing in the color complex and passing it from generation to generation." It's a touching close, but there were countless black men and women of earlier generations who didn't believe that light or white skin automatically meant truth and beauty. They wore their blackness not as an emblem of shame but as a badge of pride. Golden ignores, minimizes and, ultimately, dishonors the proud legacy those black men and women left.
© 2004 The Washington Post Company |
Tonya
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Yeah Kola--but he's calling it internalized racism--and that's what I equated with colorism.
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INTERNALIZED RACISM
Internalized racism occurs when people targeted by racism are, against their will, coerced and pressured to agree with the distortions of racism. Each of us targeted by racism fights, from childhood on, as long and as hard as we dare, to maintain a sense of ourselves as good, smart, strong, important, and powerful. However, in our societies, racist attitudes are so harsh, so pervasive, and so damaging that each of us is forced at times to turn racism in upon ourselves and seemingly agree with some of the conditioning, internalizing the messages of racism. We come to mistreat ourselves and other members of our group in the same ways that we have been mistreated as the targets of racism.
Examples of internalized racism appear everywhere, for example:
Racism has made us think of ourselves or each other as stupid, lazy, unimportant, or inferior.
Racism has made us criticize or verbally attack each other, using the racist messages of our societies, or allow others in our group to do so.
Racism has made us physically attack or kill each other, playing out our rage about racism at one another.
Racism has made us put our individual well-being last. Racism has made us unable to think about our physical and emotional health, making us vulnerable to heart disease, high blood pressure, obesity, diabetes, HIV/AIDS, ulcers, and more.
Racism has made us criticize and beat our children in misguided efforts to "discipline" them and keep them from openly displaying pride or pleasure in themselves (attempting to make them less vulnerable to racism, but instead leaving them more beaten down and enraged).
Racism has made us feel hopeless, despairing, and angry, which can make us vulnerable to the lure of alcohol and other drugs for "relief" from those feelings, even though we know that this does additional harm to ourselves and our families.
Racism has made our various racial groups fight with each other over what seems like a scarcity of resources; racism has made us fight each other in gangs.
Racism has made some of our group join racist institutions and take part in carrying out their racist policies against our own people.
Racism has made us feel disconnected from other members of our group, or divide or categorize each other by behaviors or lifestyles, believing that some of us are "better" or "more legitimate" than others and that what some others do is "not part of" our cultures.
Racism has made us place higher value on members of our group who appear more white, and denigrate those who have darker skin, kinkier hair, or other "less white" features. We also do the reverse--we target those with lighter skins as not being "black enough," not legitimate persons of color.
We are not to blame for any of these attitudes or behaviors, but we can increasingly understand them and take steps to end them and to heal the damage done to us by racism.
HEALING FROM THE DAMAGE INFLICTED BY RACISM AND INTERNALIZED RACISM
To heal from the damage inflicted by racism and internalized racism, we need to tell our stories--how racism has affected our lives, what has happened to us and to our people. We need the chance to openly express our feelings about our experiences of racism. When we do this, the damage done by racism begins to dissipate. We start seeing ourselves as good, smart, strong, complete human beings. We feel and act more powerfully and hopeful about ending racism and other oppressions. We treat each other more respectfully and cooperatively.
For this healing process to work well, we need someone to listen attentively--someone who is sincerely interested, who stays relaxed while we express our emotions, and who encourages us to use the process of emotional release--crying, laughing, trembling, and so on. Any two individuals can agree to take turns listening to each other, without interruption, for a specified amount of time (for example, half an hour each), encouraging each other to share our experiences fully and release our emotions.
United to End Racism has found that safety for healing from internalized racism builds when people meet not only in pairs but also in support groups with others from a similar background or heritage (for example, African or African descendant, Indigenous, Asian or Asian descendant, Chicano/Chicana, Mestizo/Mestiza, or Arab or Arab descendant). In these support groups each member has an equal amount of uninterrupted time to share experiences of racism while the others listen attentively. The support group leader encourages the person talking to express his or her thoughts and feelings. The leader welcomes and encourages the tears, trembling, raging, and laughter that often occur spontaneously as people talk about their struggles with racism.
When we first participate in these groups, internalized racism may cause negative feelings about each other (feelings of distrust, dislike, upset with, and so on) to surface. Members of the group have to make an agreement to not act on the basis of those feelings that would keep us separated from each other.
Questions such as the following can help members of support groups begin to identify and focus on internalized racism:
What information about yourself would you like others to know--about your heritage, country of origin, family, class background, and so on?
What makes you proud about being a member of this group, and what do you love about other members of this group?
What has been hard about being a member of this group, and what don't you like about others in this group?
What were your early life experiences with people in this group? How were you treated? How did you feel about others in your group when you were young?
When people are given a chance to talk and express their feelings, internalized racism is directly challenged. As emotions are released, people's negative feelings about themselves and others in their groups begin to disappear. People are able to think more clearly. They can reach for cooperative relationships more easily. Once groups of people have had a chance to meet separately in this way, greater unity and participation are possible when they join with larger, more diverse groups of people.
Support groups can be used in many settings--at the workplace, at school, in religious settings, in the neighborhood. Support groups are increasingly helpful for the participants over time. As the participants get to know each other, they become closer to each other, more supportive of each other, and more open. Even two people can have a support group, taking turns listening to one another. Support groups can also be used for non-race-based groups, such as women, young people, and working-class people.
(Click here to download a pdf version of "Internalized Racism.")
http://www.rc.org/uer/InternalizedRacism.html |
Ntfs_encryption
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"Yeah Kola--but he's calling it internalized racism--and that's what I equated with colorism."
Yawn.......ohhh boy...hmmmmmm....what time is it? Is the news on...?
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Tonya
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Kola:
READ FOR YOURSELF TONYA:
Color Wars By Earl Ofari Hutchinson,
author of Wednesday, May 19, 2004; Page C04
Tonya:
Oh, I don't doubt he said that bullshit--NOT AT ALL.
I'm saying he seems to be backtracking for black men.
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Kola_boof
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You know what, Ntfs_encryption
----we already know that your White ass wouldn't have an interest in what REAL black folks are talking about these days
...you being a MOON-glow CREE-HOLE Custardy Bastard and all
....so maybe you should take your CHALKY white ass to a freeway over pass and MAKE some news.
Ugly Nigger-white motherfucker!
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Tonya
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I second the hell out of that!!!
Anyway, do you get my point? He's saying that black-on-black-crime is a result of internalized racism. But since internalized racism and colorism is basically the same thing, how can it be wrong when Marita Golden states it as a problem (mainly for black women)---but then he turns around and uses essentially the same argument to make his case concerning the plight of black men? Y'know? |
Cynique
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Needless to say, I have no problem with you at all, ntfs. No one view should be allowed to monopolize this board. Certain posters just lose it when others grow tired of the instant replays of their sermons about the dreaded COLORISM. We are not of one mind on this site and if somebody gets heckled, that comes with the territory. |
Cynique
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Tonya, every public utterance by black leaders about how blacks were treated in New Orleans made reference to racism. Any mention made by black leaders regarding the racial profiling involved with the "driving while black" dilemma is always attributed to racism. The removal of the black Bush staff member suspected of accepting bribes without his having a hearing was deemed racist by members of the Black Caucus. Just to name a few instances. |
Abm
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Just last night I had a very interesting discussion with several friends (one of which has her own radio show) who've worked for assorted politicians and social advocacy groups. To a man/woman, they all said the very WORSE organizations to work for were founded and head by BLACKS. Because no only do the Blacks leaders lie, deceive and manipulate as much - if not more so - than Whites, they more often do so WITHOUT providing the potential returns/benefits that Whites do. They say the vast majority of Black foks they've known who've volunteered to help Black leader end up disappointed, disillusioned and damaged. |
Yvettep
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You know, ABM, I received a similar response when I said to someone a few years back that I might want to teach at a historically Black college/university after I graduate. I heard horror stories of the very deception, disillusionment, etc you spoke of above. I think I would still love to work at a Black college, though.
Of course at this point I would just love to go somewhere where I can actually get a j.o.b., but that's a different story! |
Abm
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Yvettep,
Well. One of my friends said the key is to have a clear and realistic idea what one expects to achieve and get for him/herself and to be willing to assert that PRONTO. And you must be capable of sidestepping and the backstabbing flunkies and confront the head man/woman. If you do those, you have a much better chance of having a mutually beneficial experience.
I suppose the same advise would apply at a Black college.
Good luck with your job search! |
Yvettep
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Good luck with your job search!
Thanks! |
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 01:18 pm: |
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Earl don't have to let these people speak for him--he can get out on his own and take actions or start an organization.
Oh, but then again lets see what it does for you. Fred Hampton, shot dead in his bed. Martin Luther King, head blowed off. Medgar Evers, head blowed off. Malcolm X, head blowed off. Huey P. Newton, shot, jailed, drove crazy. Eldridge Cleaver, beat down.
People talk about Farrakhan--let him appear in public without 100 bodyguards and see how long he'd be breathing.
Speaking out on behalf of black people gets you targeted, harassed and killed.
Let's look at our Black organizations. All of them are controlled by white folks. That's why they are so anemic (they do it through the donations)
Being a REAL black leader is hell. Being a fake leader, judas goat, overseer, what have you is where you can get some crumbs. And even these people deal with death threats, harassment, being insulted and humiliated in public.
I see many complaining but I see damn few jumping out there. If it is so good and lucrative, go to it! |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2437
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 01:26 pm: |
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Why would anybody worth their salt want to lead black people, anyway? You are cowardly, petty, traitorous, mealy mouthed, back biting corrupt and you don't know what you want. You complain constantly and do nothing about anything. You can't wait for the first chance to sell out. You have no loyalty even to family and you hate your own personal selves. You will follow a white man or woman into hell. If God came and said he was going to pronounce judgment on white folks for what they done to you you'd be screaming and crying with your arms around their ankles "Please lawdy! Please don't take him!" But you'd throw your own mothers in jail for shoplifting a candy bar.
In fairness, history and society have conspired to make you this way. You have seen what those who are not this way get--you would have to be superhuman to escape it but you are human, all too human.
Black people have the kind of leaders they deserve from what I can see. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4819
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 03:12 pm: |
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Well, too bad you aren't a black leader since you are so flawless, chrishayden, and you certainly have definite ideas as to how everybody should act and think: just like you. |
Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 319
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 03:40 pm: |
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"Why would anybody worth their salt want to lead black people, anyway? You are cowardly, petty, traitorous, mealy mouthed, back biting corrupt and you don't know what you want. You complain constantly and do nothing about anything. You can't wait for the first chance to sell out. You have no loyalty even to family and you hate your own personal selves. You will follow a white man or woman into hell. If God came and said he was going to pronounce judgment on white folks for what they done to you you'd be screaming and crying with your arms around their ankles "Please lawdy! Please don't take him!" But you'd throw your own mothers in jail for shoplifting a candy bar.
In fairness, history and society have conspired to make you this way. You have seen what those who are not this way get--you would have to be superhuman to escape it but you are human, all too human."
The same applies to Americans in general, not just black Americans. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2442
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 03:43 pm: |
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Cynique:
If everybody thought just like me America would either be a paradise or a hellhole--you decide.
If I was a black leader the first thing I would do is place you under pimparrest-- |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4824
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 04:02 pm: |
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I decided. It would be a hell hole. Because your insufferable ego would be the devil to pay. |
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