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Abm
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Post Number: 4875
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 02:26 pm: | 
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I obtained this from writer Jimi Izrael’s blog:
"I’ve said it before I’ll say it again: a lot of the problem with the gay and lesbian community (besides a consistent inability to raise the level of discourse about homosexuality from the horizontal to the vertical) is that they seem to want more rights than anyone has. They want to touch on people without being rebuffed? They want the right to talk to little kids about sexuality? They want the right to have “gay days” at sporting events (I cosign that, actually, because community is important to all of us)? But gays and lesbian have to understand that not everyone is comfortable with homosexuality, nor are they likely to be comfortable, and trying to impose conformity is going to lead to an inevitable backlash. I affirm all my gay friends and their right to be happy and to pursue happiness. But I retain the right to not be assaulted by anyone’s sexuality: I don’t have to participate in, be exposed to or affirm any behavior I find distasteful or that makes me uncomfortable, and neither do my kids. That doesn’t make me a homophobe. It makes me a heterosexual with a mind of my own."
http://www.jimiizrael.com/ji/2006/06/29/12.30.32/index.html#more
You agree with Izrael? That part of the problem straight foks have with homosexuals is not homosexuality itself but all the gay-centric politicking and social engineering that homosexual often appear to be asserting upon others? |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 757
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 05:11 pm: |
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All the homos need to take their asses back into the closet and keep that shit to themselves! |
Yukio
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Interesting, but illogical and self-centered. what rights exactly do gays want that heterosexuals don't already have?
Israel is off base, because he assumes that what heterosexuals do is not an assertion of heterosexual practices on homosexuals. That heterosexual practices, politicking, and socalled "social engineering" are framed as the norm precludes Israel from considering that heterosexuality could ever be considered offensive, or even uncomfortable to homosexual people.
He makes it a question of comfortability and therefore a question of tolerance. Black people, especially the older and more sophisiticated of us should be wary of this [this is certainly not an attempt to equate gays rights with that of black folk], for we know and some remember when white folk did not feel "comfortable" with us around them . . .
In addition, since this country is culturally heterosexual[thus the issue is not and has never been limited to the question of rights/ that it becomes a matter of rights means that the movement is itself conformist], it is difficult for many to consider that heterosexuality is not the standard but a norm among other norms with homosexuality being one among these. Since heterosexuality is considered the standard, Israel ignores the fact that homosexuals have to assimilate to heterosexuality [much like blacks have to assimilate to socalled white cultural ways in order to be accepted]. . . and this process, I suspect, would also be uncomfortable, off-putting, for homosexuals. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 9 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 05:36 pm: |
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And Mzuri, you need to crawl up under a rock and finish rotting.
Who are YOU...just because you're STRAIGHT....to be-damn people who have a different sexual orientation than yours?
Many of the best people on earth are HOMOSEXUAL, including several of my closest friends, and I'd save their lives before yours.
It's like you talk for claps or something.
GAY people ROCK!!!! and your fear of them is laughable.
Not to mention "Stank".
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 07:16 pm: |
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Are gays really the victims here? Are they called "heterophobes" because implicit in their lifestyle is the idea that they reject hetereosexuality? If they acknowledge their sexuality are they actually assimilated into the greater society, or are they co-existing with those different from them because they have no choice but to tolerate them. |
Mzuri
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Kola - Why the fuck are you always harping on me? I never said that I fear gays. I said homos/faggots/lezbos need to take their asses back into the closet and keep that shit to themselves. That is my response to ABM's post. That's my opinion and I have a right to express it. Who the fuck are you to censor my opinions. Fuck you!!! |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 08:07 pm: |
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Cyn:
They both co-exist with those different from them because they have no choic ebut to tolerate them, but they ALSO must assimilate because this society is culturally hetereosexual, accepted mores, etc...so it is a question of socalled tolerance, but also and more importantly POWER! Not only who is in culture but what culture is in control, for it is through culture that we view, interpret, and give meaning to everything! |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 - 09:33 pm: |
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Yes, but so much of what is an integral part of our culture has been contributed and is even controlled by gay people, specifically in the world of art and literature where gays wield plenty of power. And, politically-speaking, gays have also become a voting bloc to be reckoned with. To me, the only major grievance gays have is that they can't legally marry. Otherwise they are just another minority trying to deal with discrimination. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 01:13 am: |
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"Yes, but so much of what is an integral part of our culture has been contributed and is even controlled by gay people, specifically in the world of art and............ they can't legally marry. Otherwise they are just another minority trying to deal with discrimination."
This is very true. But you cannot reason nor inject logic and common sense into a rabid homophobe. It's just another form of racism and mindless bigotry. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 10:19 am: |
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The desires and dictates of ANY "majority" of people are considered the "norm". You can say that about the "majority" of housewives, college professors and Franciscan monks, for that matter.
Establishing and maintaining some prevailing sense of social order and decorum is a very natural and necessary part of human behavior.
Many otherwise fair-minded people, especially those of us who are raising children, are confused by and ambivalent about the extent to which we should allow ourselves to be exposed to certain manifestations of homosexuality.
Do I think gays/lesbians should be allowed to share healthcare benefits? Yes.
Would I want my five year old exposed to discussions about lesbianism and transexuality while watching Nickelodeon? No.
Do I support gays/lesbians being permitted to marry? Yes.
Do I want to see males wearing sunflower dresses to church? No.
But my biggest concern about open acceptance of homosexuality is the extent to which such might discourage men and women from attempting to bridge the sexual divide. Because I think the consequences of the majority men and women NOT replying upon each other for sexual gratification are dire. |
Shemika
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
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Well, my view of homosexuality is this: I don’t consider the practice of homosexuality to be the equivalent of “a people”, but simply a socially indoctrinated pattern of behavior. Individual “people”, unless deformed, are born physically designed to have sex with members of the opposite sex. If you must compromise a part of someone’s anatomy to mimic sex with them you are mis-utilizing their anatomy for your own thrill seeking intentions. -Just as people use their hands to masturbate. Its not real sex, but they are assimilating it to be in an attempt to derive sexual pleasure. They are not in love with their hands because they were able to derive sexual pleasure from them. Their hands were just a form of convenience, or a means to and end to assimilate the real thing.
Same goes for such sexual encounters. Using someone's anatomy as a human masturbation tool is not true sex as our bodies are built for.
Also, it's being normalized and validated by mainstream society as a diversion from the ongoing discrimination against blacks that they plan on doing nothing to eliminate. It also adds so much social confusion and discord that it serves to destroy the future of black cohesiveness and bloodlines, thus making blacks easier to isolate and victimize undetected amongst them selves in the future. Single black women will often have no grandmothers, aunts, cousins and close extended family to turn to as this generation dies out. And we are replaced by increasing numbers of these homosexual setups and other unstable, casual come and go encounters with strangers
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Shemika
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Also, if homosexuality becomes the norm everyone will eventually cease to exist. That's why you know it's not normal. But in the interim it’s going to do a good job of helping whites to eliminate the growth of the black population in more ways then one.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4887
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 10:59 am: |
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Shemika,
Do you think coitus is the the ONLY valid form of human sexuality?
I don't.
Do you believe that a man can sincerely desire to love another man and a woman can sincerely desire to love another woman?
I do.
You appear to place more emphasis upon the sex act itself than do I. I think ANY sex act is simply a manifestation of the attraction and desire living beings have for each other, regardless of whether they have the same or differing reproductive organs.
I do, however, think that homosexuality should NOT be the primary and most prevalent mode human intimacy. I believe that if and when that is true, we human being will as a whole suffer and die off.
And I don't know the degree to which homosexuality exists amongst Blacks. But if it is currently prevalent amongst African Americans, that might be more the CONSEQUENCE (e.g., exorbinant incarceration rates lead to more Black men engaging in gay sex and fewer available Black men compel many Black women to engage in gay sex) of maladies within our families and communities than it is the CAUSE of such. |
Shemika
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 11:40 am: |
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Reducing people to sex objects has nothing to do with love but rather an inability to appreciate other qualities in people outside of sex. And simulating sex is not the equivalent of an expression of love. True love respects the body for the purpose it was intended for as well as the bodies of others by not misusing them as the equivalent of high tech masturbation tools in a selfish pursuit of pleasure. |
Cynique
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As the human species continues to evolve, who knows what the future holds in regard to reproduction? The question of cloning certainly looms on the horizon, an alternative fraught withm the possibility of people creating new and improved versions of themselves without the benefit of a mate. Scientists say that this is a viable theory because a woman's egg is complete unto itself, and under the right conditions can mature without being fertilized, but the result would always be a girl. It's about thinking outside of the box, folks, and doing so might also prod us into considering the idea that homosexuals are actually a third sex. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 12:09 pm: |
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Shemika,
Straight foks probably are as likely capable of and inclined to engage in "Reducing people to sex objects..." as gays/lesbians are. No form of sex - even that between men and women - is in/of itself foolproof validation of love.
And if the only thing we did with our bodies was what they were biologically engineered for, sex and life in general would be quite boring, indeed. |
Abm
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Cynique,
That's an interesting perspective. It is one that offers many wondrous and yet monstrous possibilities. |
Jackie
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Post Number: 209
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The fact that Shemika and others along her line of thinking think that the population will cease because of homosexuality is utter nonsense and quite juevenille. This only demonstrates consternation and ignorance. Just as Nature produces homosexuals so will it produce heterosexuals. Last time I checked the world's population is cresting to 300 billion ?? Just as there is an equal amount of individuals whether gay or straight that choose not to procreate, there's an equal amount that will choose to procreate. I mean really, how does one think we should get rid of these nasty faggots and homos ? Hang'em, burn'em, dismember them ? Like I've stressed before whether you agree with homosexuality or not, it's going to be around long after we and our descendants return to dust. And GOD HELP one of your children if they turn out to be gay.
ABM- actually most anti-gay people focus on the sex act when it comes to gays and their lifestyle. A sexual and repressed perversion I think that lies within.
Shemika- In your eyes, chocolate would be a selfish pursuit of pleasure. High tech masturbation tools!! That's a new one. I think you should get out a little more. LOL ! I agree with ABM, life would be quite boring if we only did what our bodies were biologically engineered to do.
God save me from your followers |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 02:05 pm: |
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The question of cloning certainly looms on the horizon, an alternative fraught withm the possibility of people creating new and improved versions of themselves without the benefit of a mate.
As the technology stands now, cloning (or "somatic cell nuclear transfer") the egg would have its DNA removed, and would merely be a "package" for the DNA material from the cell donor--who could be male as well as female. I think what you're talking about, Cynique, is a different hypothesized technique--I can't remember what it is called: but it is where an oocyte is induced to spontaneously begin dividing--and so, of course, it would necessarily be XX and any infant that may be born as a result would necessarily be genetically female.
At any rate, it is not likely that human cloning could ever create an exact version of the cell donor, like in the movies. That is because the embryo's prenatal environment would be different than that of its donor. And any child that might be born would have a much different rearing environment than the donor (e.g., different parents, living in a different time period, raised by different parents, etc).
Right now the procedure is too wasteful to be practical for human SCNT: I can't remember the exact #s, but for every successful creation of an embryo, dozens (if not more) never make it. Then for every successful embryo created, dozens are not able to implant in the uterus or be carried to term or be born. Then there are all sorts of problems with the offspring--for instance having a shorter lifespan than those born the old fashioned way.
But it is likely that many, if not all, of these barriers will eventually be overcome. Other countries, in particular, are not as squeemish as our own (or, at least as our current national government) about exploring the science behind this technology.
As a sci-fi fan myself, I agree that such a situation would create some intriguing possibilities for our possible future. Not that I think sex and sexual reproduction will go out of style any time soon, tho! |
Brownbeauty123
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Why do lesbians use dildos, and strap-ons since they're supposed to love pu$$y so much? |
Yvettep
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But sorry for the off-topic diversion. LOL
On the topic, I think it is just not possible to have a meeting of the minds on this issue (just as I think it is not possible to have a meeting of the minds on the abortion issue) because so many people on both sides have such strong emotions.
But I do have one question: For people who feel there is a danger that "homosexuality" will somehow "take over"--How, exactly, will that happen?
Will folks just "choose" to "turn" gay? If so, then our natures as people attracted to the opposite sex must not have been very stable to begin with, right? |
Brownbeauty123
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Shemika,
You have individuals like Angelina Jolie who are bisexual that eventually decide to adopt or procreate with a man to have children.
Then there are lesbians couples where one partner will become impregnanted by a man so they can raise a family. I think Rosie O Donnel, and Melissa Etheride had partners who did something like this. |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 02:14 pm: |
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Why do lesbians use dildos, and strap-ons since they're supposed to love pu$$y so much?
BB123, perhaps you should ask lesbians about this, although while you're at it you should ask heterosexuals why they engage in a full range of sexual expression besides plain ole penile-vagina penetration. My guess is that lesbians do not "love p****," but enjoy having sex with other women--an entire woman and all parts of her body that comes with her. |
Brownbeauty123
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I agree Yvette,
then you have bisexual people who do procreate and raise families just like heterosexual individuals do. |
Brownbeauty123
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Yvette,
I was hoping someone on this board who was a lesbian could explain it to me.
I figured the reason why a woman would be a lesbian is because she doesn't want to be penetrated by a "penis". |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 02:26 pm: |
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BB123, I don't know about posters on this board, but there are many gay and lesbian folks (incl Black folks) who blog. I do not assume they have addressed this issue specifically, but if you do not know lesbians in your personal circle who you might feel comfortable asking this question that might be the next best thing. (You might try doing a google search, or try one of the blogging search engines, like Technorati.com.)
My assumption has always been that a woman who is a lesbian is sexually attracted to other women. Like heterosexual women, there is probably a full range of specific desires regarding what types of stimulation a lesbian enjoys and prefers. So, I assume that a woman who enjoys penetration with sex toys by her female partner doesn't want to be penetrated by a man. |
Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 02:54 pm: |
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From what I gathered, the woman who is receiving pleasure by a strap-on or dildo is usually "bisexual". Which explans her desire to want to be penetrated by a penis.
The one who is giving the pleasure with the usuage of a strap on is a full blown lesbian. Men don't do anything for them. They are very masculine in appearance and demeanor. Like a Rosie O Donnel or Ellen DeGeneres. |
Kola_boof
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As a Straight Woman who has wished she could be a lesbian--and even tried to have lesbian sex but couldn't go through with it......I find it mind-boggling that so many people think STRAIGHTS are somehow going to be "influenced" into being GAY.
It doesn't work that way folks.
And yes--I'm sure most of us as children have been in homo-erotic situations with OTHER CHILDREN (boys rub up against boys--girls play "house" during their sleepovers and assign one of the girls to be "the husband")...but these children, OVERWHELMINGLY cannot resist their TRUE sexual orientation...which 90% of the time is HETEROSEXUAL.
Science shows that all human beings begin in the womb as "female". Later, a sex is designated.
The MAJORITY of humans come out "STRAIGHT", the next set comes out "BISEXUAL" and the last percentage comes out "HOMOSEXUAL".
Much smaller groups are born homophroditic, transgendered, etc.
How do we comment so lavishly on "a people" who have ALWAYS been here and whose presence is sperious?
SHEMEIKA and BrownBeauty are not "lesbian"---so what gives them the right to make these sweeping assignations (assigning identity) about another group????
That's like a bunch of men trying to dictate to me about MY BODY and ABORTION.
ABM---while raising children, I'm sure you can alert your children that these people are in the world and what you feel about them. That's the BEST thing to do.
Also folks...the more children you have...the more likely it is that you will produce at least ONE homosexual child. Anymore children than 4 brings your likelihood to 80%.
Why is it that 10% of all Animals in the Wild....are homosexual??? This is has been proven.
DID YOU KNOW...that Dolphins are the only animals in the wild who have SEX for pleasure and not merely Pro-cration????? They have no season of being "in heat"---because they fuck when they are horny, which is always.
*A high number of MALE DOLPHINS are homosexal for some reason.
No females...only MALES.
Dolphins are also notorious for GANG-RAPE. Packs of males will stalk a female and then herd and RAPE her. This happens QUITE OFTEN.
Female Dolphins coddle/cater to the Male who brings her the most food, massages her belly with his nose and protects her from other males.
It's also been proven that roughly 10% of any HUMAN SOCIETY is homosexual.
There are also many animal species that have BOTH SEX ORGANS and have the power to reproduce without a mate---snails, crabs, lizards, ancient tuna and Koala Bears.
There are sometimes HUMANS born with box sexes as well---they're called Hermaphrodites.
WHY DID GOD DO THAT SHEMEIKA???
Of course, coming from a Nilotic culture that was originally NON-Christian, NON-Islamic and incorporated homosexuality into African religion.....I just don't fear these people as others do.
When I come across gay people...it's like coming across a lake of flamingos.
They're just a different expression of a larger beauty.
And under NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, I always felt the exact same way about Interracial couples/children. I saw them as a natural stroke of God's creativity and beauty.
The difference is...we can be brainwashed to breed from a "racist" self-destructive acculturation, to despise the sight of our own "flesh"/characteristics and covet a DOMINANT ACCULTURATION that seeks to ERASE our own, so that brainwashing creates an AB-NORMAL abundance of the interracial in lieu of destroying Black people--but we cannot "generally" be brainwashed to change our sexual orientation.
SEX is mental far more than physical.
Unlike COLOR--sex can be hidden.
Just being pressed up against a strange MAN on the Chicago subway immediately reminds me that I am a woman who likes men. And that's completely innocent.
I believe humans are "by nature" prejudiced against DIFFERENCE and Non-familiarity.
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Kola_boof
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BrownBeauty...."MEN" have wanted to stick dildos up inside me and I won't let them, because I don't it.
I myself, however, have pleasured myself with a dildo.
I have no idea why I don't like a MAN to do it.
And I only sleep with men.
ALSO---the reason I could not go through having sex with another woman when I tried....was because her flesh was "soft" like mine, her hair smelled flowery, her limbs were too weak (no hardness of the arm), she had no hairyness--there was nothing DOMINANT to tingle my mental triggers.
And because I am "tall" and stacked---I really need to feel DOMINATED by the male's "masculinity" to get HOT.
...and there was no dick waiting to lance my heated tissues. Her strap-on was fake--unresponsive to my palm.
It was just ICK.
I had to pull away.
But I sincerely WANTED to do it.
*Her older brother fucked the shit out of me that same night in his room, though.
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Yukio
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Cynique
Yes, but so much of what is an integral part of our culture has been contributed and is even controlled by gay people, specifically in the world of art and literature where gays wield plenty of power. And, politically-speaking, gays have also become a voting bloc to be reckoned with. To me, the only major grievance gays have is that they can't legally marry. Otherwise they are just another minority trying to deal with discrimination.
No, Cynique. I am not talking about cultural products, such as literature and art; cultural institutions, such as museums and galleries. These are things that we can quantify, that are tangible!
I am talking about cultural values and knowledge; what philosophers call epistemology.
I am talking about, in a very basic way, what does it mean to be a man and a woman, and from this we get what comprises a family and finally what comprises a nation.
man=white and heterosexual
woman=white and hetereosexual
If that is the standard of the world, and it is for Europeans control it and through coercion and assimilation get us to embrace this, then everyone else can get a piece of the pie and still be boxed into these very basic white euro-american categories of humanity.
This is what Gramsci calls hegemony...
Much of the rubbish and illogic that has been said here, for example, is only understandable through these categories that many of us, for the most part, accept.
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Cynique
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Yes, Yvette, I was talking about the distant future when it comes to cloning, at which time they may have perfected or improved the procedure. One of the possibilities also mentioned in connection with cloning is creating a spare body to provide extra organs in case diseased ones need to be replaced. BTW, identical multiple births have been deemed to be examples of cloning. And Dolly the famous cloned sheep was an example of this procedure being successful.
As for lesbians using dildoes and strap-ons, there are the "femmes" and the "dikes" in the lesbian equation and the dikes take on the male role which apparently entails having a pseudo male organ. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 04:20 pm: |
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"As for lesbians using dildoes and strap-ons, there are the "femmes" and the "dikes" in the lesbian equation and the dikes take on the male role which apparently entails having a pseudo male organ."
This is true. I guess males will be obsolete by lesbian standards..... |
Mzuri
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It's confirmed everyone - Kola will fuck anything - whiteboys, women, terrrorrrists - she just don't give a fuck - LOL!!!
NTFS - Men will NEVER be obsolete. And in case if anyone missed my sexual orientation:
I'd rather ride the pole, than suck the hole.
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Prettybabygirl
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Mzuri,
I don't know if you can read, but Kola's posts were so superior to yours it's a crying shame.
Kola only sleeps with men, but I respect her honesty in sharing the time she attempted to sleep with another woman.
I wish you had such interesting and compelling insights to share, other than the fact that you're a witch.
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Mzuri
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Sorry, PBG. I'm not a slut like Kola and so I don't have such stories to share. But perhaps you do. CUNT!!! |
Cynique
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I see what you are saying, Yukio, but I am not so sure that the situation won't change and that the parameters of what is accepted will be broadened. |
Yukio
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The situation wont change anytime soon. Consider that the Civil Rights Movement and the COld War brought about the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. According to this legislation, African Americans, North and South, East and West, have been first class citizens for forty-one years. But these political changes--these two acts-- have not changed the fact that in order for African Americans to be consider citizens, men, and women--humans--we must assimilate to white euro-american standards.
I am talking about real power . . . do not confuse "rights" and the fact that some individuals have some social capital with real power.
Read Achebe's Things Fall Apart, and you will see of what I am speaking! You will see the transformation of a culture; you will see some Africans accomodating and assimilating to European standards and religion; these Africans-- like some African Americans, gays, Asian, and especially Jews in the U.S.--had gained some real power but not within their indigenous culture; not under their own terms, and they have not since. But more so than African Americans!
Since Africans were not colonized as long as African Americans and especially that Europeans remained a minority in Africa is the reason why Africans have continued to maintain a semblance, and in some parts a majority if not all, of their cultures, languages, customs, and rituals[perhaps I am exaggerating].
We--African Americans--have been assimilating and colonized so long that we have forgotten who we were. And we can never go back, and I am fine with that. But we damn sure do not have to accept the terms, standards, and epistemology that we have been given. We can--and have been--make our own. One conscious of history . . . this is why I have posted Frederick Douglas's speech on the 4th of July ...
Ok...i'm rambling! |
Prettybabygirl
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Yukio,
That was a good post.
It's the first time that I ever started to understand where you're coming from.
I even agree, to my shock, with 99% of it.
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Yukio
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Interesting... it is always good when what one writes is comprehensible. |
Cynique
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I would simply observe, Yukio, that for the kind of tranformation you speak of, 41 years is not a long time; not even half a century. And you know my sentiments about social theories not being aligned with the variables and flux of the real world. LOL And power has become almost an abstract - mythical concept. What is power? America is the most powerful country in the world and a well-executed act of terrorism could render it helpless. But, of course, what you say has a lot of merit and credibility! |
Yukio
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No, its the kind of transformation you speak of; I do not think that the power that gays and lesbians hold in literature or the arts means that they have trully arrived, that man equals man and woman equals woman.
Power is that which enables one thing to influence another thing, so that the power that gays have is inconsequential and insignificant to a world that is based on white hetereosexual patriarchy.
The U.S. helpless? Thats rubbish! [i say respectfully my elder] You've been bamboozled. What you think you saw was an act, a performance . . . helpless is not the loss of lives, buildings, and international integrity! Helpless is loss of a culture, the loss of a means to see your self as you are while you still retain that culture that is passing you by!
Before the U.S. was the world power, the British were! The seat of power changed, but it is still a white country, virtually the same language, similar values, though not as old.
Look at it this way, it is not about a country but a way of being . . . again consider Things Fall Apart ... or if you prefer, what if North Korea or China becomes the next hegemon, that is replacing the U.S.
If this happens we will need to learn a new language, a new value system, dress differently, etc...
Some of us will excel by assimilation, gain power, but the majority will not; it will take us many generations to catch up, for while we will not be under white folks' control, we will remain less than white folk...racism is a fact of life around the world!
Two generations later our children will speak Chinese or Korean, and us older folk will know how to say: hello, good bye, yes, no, please, stop, over there, fuck you, sorry, two-for-five, $20 for a bj, $60 for sex, and HELP!
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Cynique
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I speak from the spectrum of history when I say that 41 years is not a long time. Furthermore, the United States of America no longer has a national character and it is in danger of collapsing from within. Almost as many people speak Spanish as English and the Hispanics don't even wield power. The country is totally polarized and heterogeonus and rife with sub cultures and diverse lifestyles. Does it really set the standard for the rest of the world or is the world infiltrating America? How influential can it be as a world power when it controls no oil and the dollar is losing its value, and it couldn't even influence "old" Europe to help it fight a losing war, as in the meantime it defers to Israel's every expectation. And who, indeed, would be next to ascend to world dominance? China is a paper tiger that has hardly entered the 21st century so how imminent is its ascendency? Korea is on a collision course with self-destruction. Time brings change, the old rules may no longer apply. The days of there being world domination by one country could very possibly be over. Anarchy may become the norm. "Things fall Apart." LOL Who is to say they will continue to follow a predictable pattern? I assume you are speaking as a black person when you embrace your point of view but there is no stability to blackness in America and it's a slippery slope trying to foresee how blackness will stack up the future. Global warming signals a change in the environment. A change in the tide of the affairs of men is not beyond the realm of reality. |
Yukio
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You assume wrongly!
What I said has nothing to do with being black or blackness; I chose Things Fall Apart, because it is a classic and this is an African American literature site, and within this classic there is this universal story of an entire culture encountering and also assimilating to another. The story is universal, while the particular is West African. In it certain ways day, some people die, and some people prosper, but all of this is under the imperialist's culture control.
In other words, gays and lesbians can prosper, but under the hetereosexuals' culture control (the dominant culture).
The specifics are generally different, but there is this sameness about colonization and imperialism that it is unmistakeable.
Assimilation, the loss of and/or the diffusing of language, etc....are typical characteristics of imperialism.
So my point had nothing to do with the specifics of the actual new hegemon. My point was that which ever country it is, people will have to accomidate it, and some will succeed, through assimilation, and the majority will not!
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Speaking of History
The U.S. had never really had a national character....but a national character has been enforced through immigration legislation, lynching, red-baiting, etc...
And the country has always been "polarized and heterogeonus and rife with sub cultures and diverse lifestyles." Of course, but are we talking about the presence of diversity or are we talking about what constitutes the standard? And the standard is where the power lay!
Finally, the U.S. power is waning, as was the British at the end of World War I.
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Cynique
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Well, the standard in America is in a tug of war; the liberals and the conservatives are trying to wrest control from each other and the power is almost equally divided. And their philosophies are quite different when it comes to cultural and ethical mores, nor has the war in Iraq brought us together in the face of a common enemy. Religion also plays an important role in all of this and even it is fragmented. America is in limbo and is on the wane, lacking the leadership which will unite instead of divide, something which is necesssary to maintain the respect and dictate the criteria for the rest of the world who already hates us. BTW America does not set the world standard when it comes to capital punishment, legalized drugs, gay marriage or monogamy. And who will be the next world leader? Who is powerful enough to conquer and colonize other countries and impose its "culture" on those who will either assimilate or be marginalized. It's a different world out there, made smaller by technology. The days of the conquering invaders claiming land for "the throne" are over. We will not again see the likes of a Roman or British empire. The spectre of a nuclear holocaust puts every nation at peril and at the mercy of rational restraint and this makes power relative. |
Chrishayden
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I don't think gays want more rights than other people--I think basically they want the same rights as other people but our society will never grant them.
I think when gays ask for the same considerations as straights it is looked upon as wanting more rights than straights because people think being gay is deviant--
As long as gays a such a small proportion of the population it will be that way--which doesn't say a lot for us either, does it? |
Chrishayden
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Kola:
You may have explained this before but just for my personal edification--why did you wish you were a lesbian? And why couldn't you go ahead with it?
I don't think people fear gays and lesbians. I think they hate them--because everybody wants to have somebody to pick on. |
Schakspir
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"As for lesbians using dildoes and strap-ons, there are the "femmes" and the "dikes" in the lesbian equation and the dikes take on the male role which apparently entails having a pseudo male organ."
Just a thought--is a butch dyke in the lesbian community merely a surrogate macho male patriarch? If so, what an irony. |
Yukio
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cynique:
Much of what you say is true, that is, the differences between liberals and conservatives.
But this is not really the issue. You have, apparently, accepted the terms of engagement. And you are much blinded by specifics to get to the exegis of my very general point.
Regardless who wins between these two combatants--conservatives and liberals--man still equals hetereosexual and white and woman still equals hetereosexual and white.
Thus if the world is understood in such a limited way, if both the combatants ultimately accept these standards, then they are really fighting over which will be in power not to revolutionized how the world understands what it means to be a man and what it means to be a woman.
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Cynique
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Too bad a gay person doesn't log onto this thread and clear some things up for us. One thing I'd want them to tell me is why what they demand is not a case of wanting special treatment. They get to reject the heterosexual orientation but want to villify those who reject the homosexual orientation. Gays needs to cut the drama, stop making themselves martyrs and just get on with their lives. Within the gay community a committment ceremony is equivalent to a marriage. Why do they need the sanction of conventional society to make their marriage meaningful? They can adopt children and there is legal recourse for them when it comes to everything but health insurance which half of the country doesn't have anyway. I have other people to feel sorry for besides gays since I've never met a gay person who wasn't financially stable and who wasn't leading a very gracious life. Gays experience discrimination but so do black, brown and yellow minorities. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
Cynique
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Yes, Yukio, this post was originally about gays and homosexuality, wasn't it? I've wasted all my words on something that actually makes me no difference. LOL |
Abm
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Jackie: “ actually most anti-gay people focus on the sex act when it comes to gays and their lifestyle. A sexual and repressed perversion I think that lies within.”
I think it’s possible to resent certain aspect of what’s often attributed to homosexuality without harboring some perversions of some sort. I mean, I really detest what R. Kelly has been accused of doing. Does that mean I must have some compulsion to urinate upon some 14 year old girl? |
Abm
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Yvettep,
I agree the cloning genii has been freed from its bottle. And that bottle’s been smashed into a million pieces.
You (and Cynique) might enjoy a recent movie about cloning titled "The Island" (starring Ewan McGregor and Scarlet Johansson). |
Abm
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Kola,
There are A LOT of things I might prefer my young children NOT be exposed to. It doesn’t necessarily mean I find such to be wrong or evil, etc. But I do believe there are stages in one’s life where one simply is not prepared to fully understand and appreciate what is being communicated. Plus. I might differ or disagree with HOW a particular message is being conveyed. (For instance, I DON’T want Rosie O’Donnell educating my kids about lesbians. Because, frankly, she gives being a dyke a VERY BAD name.)
Parents have the right and duty to make those kinds of calls.
I am inclined to believe that sexuality is more fluid that you appear to believe such to be. I think to some degree family history, life experiences and just dumb luck. can compel one who might otherwise not be gay to willingly engage in and enjoy homosexual activities.
For example, I think A LOT of Black men who otherwise might never have even considered having sex with another man get turn on to such via imprisonment.
I am not necessarily making any value judgment upon the relative merits and morality of homosexuality. I might make fun of gays/lesbians. But at my core I can’t think of a single reason why I should be bothered by what foks do amid the privacy of their own genitals.
But it might concern me that growing acceptance of homosexuality combined with the great strife between Black men and women might result in Black foks having few reasons to band together to reconcile those issues and problems.
Kola: “When I come across gay people...it's like coming across a lake of flamingos.”
I often have a similar feeling too. It guess it has something to do with the way that some of those foks talk, dress and style their hair. |
Abm
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Mzuri: " I'd rather ride the pole, than suck the hole."
Yeah. But just so we’re clear: That there DON’T mean you wouldn’t "...suck the hole.," though. |
Serenasailor
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The fact that you would start an article about gay ppl wanting more rights than straight ppl is an ignorant topic. You sound like the racist Republicans that claim that black ppl want more rights than white ppl i.e Affirmative Action.
I find it funny how one oppress minority always tries to find other minorities and tries to look down on them. Like Black ppl don't have enough with other ethnic groups trying to look down on them.
Your homophobia is the reason why the black community is suffering. I think some of you ppl need to check your attitudes. |
Chrishayden
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Mzuri:
I don't believe you! And after I threw Cynique down for you, too! Under your reign AALBC has become a regular Sintown!
Abm:
Young man you are obsessed with Sex! |
Abm
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Serenasailor,
Your unwillingness (or inability) to read with comprehension and your abiding need to speak while hardly knowing what the FROCK you're talking about bores me.
But, for the record, I am NOT by ANY means a f*gbasher. So you should have no fear. |
Abm
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Chris,
Don't hate me 'cause my dyck gets hard WITHOUT Viagra! |
Abm
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Mzuri: "Sorry, PBG. I'm not a slut like Kola and so I don't have such stories to share. But perhaps you do. CUNT!!!"
I can't help being taken aback when one woman calls the another a "CVNT" But then, I guess it ain't much different from one Black person calling another Black person a "nigga". |
Abm
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Kola,
Kola: "MEN" have wanted to stick dildos up inside me and I won't let them, because I don't it...I have no idea why I don't like a MAN to do it.
You mean OTHER than that little voice inside of you that suspects that those suckers are queers?
I don’t know why a man would get off on cramming a dildo up a woman. And I suspect I don’t really WANNA know that shyt.
I’m cracking the FROCK up at the visual of your backing up off some horny dyke’s dildo/strap-on. Talking about a Hallmark Moment.
Hahahahaha!!!!
Kola: "…there was no dick waiting to lance my heated tissues "
"I myself, however, have pleasured myself with a dildo."
"I really need to feel DOMINATED by the male's "masculinity" to get HOT."
"*Her older brother fucked the shit out of me that same night in his room, though."
Great Day in the MORNING!
Gurl! You sure can be a delicious dyckteaser!! |
Mzuri
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ABM - I apologize for any confusion. I will only suck on the hole at the end of a dick (the front end). Is that clear enough for you???
Regarding my usage of the word "cunt" - it's no worse than one woman calling another a witch - don't you think. Plus I knew that PBG would find it offensive.
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Mzuri
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Chris - What are you saying? I'm supposed to let people curse me and not respond? I try to be nice to everyone, but I'm not going to let these bozos talk to me any old kind of way. |
Abm
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Mzuri,
Aight. I guess I better understand WHICH hole you'll suck.
But I think most women would prefer being called a "witch" over being called a "cunt".
At least that's what I'm thinking... |
Mzuri
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Okay. Well, PBG called me a witch and so I called her a cunt. And if you keep buggin, I'm gonna call you out your name  |
Abm
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Mzuri,
And if you do I'mah turn Kola loose on dat a$$. |
Mzuri
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And I ain't hardly scared of Kola. |
Cynique
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Me, I certainly don't put the words "witch and "cunt" in the same category. The latter is a word that rarely appears on this site. But I am grateful to mzuri from drawing chrishayden's attention away from me. Nothing else seemed to work. |
Kola_boof
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WARNING: SOME OF THIS IS VERY X-RATED.
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Chris Hayden AKSED:
Kola,
You may have explained this before but just for my personal edification--why did you wish you were a lesbian? And why couldn't you go ahead with it?
To escape the heartbreak of needing MEN, Chris.
It's no secret that straight women have VERY INTIMATE friendships (My MOST FUN is cooking for and talking shit/gossiping with OTHER WOMEN)---and I feel that women are more loyal and trustworthy than men are.
A woman will stand by you, as your friend, to the death.
So the logic was....if I could only enjoy GETTING OFF with a woman---then I wouldn't have to compete for men, be dogged and rejected by them, lied to and misused by them.
I wanted to be lesbian to escape the heartbreak of loving MEN...and it still remains that Lesbians are the only women that I've ever been JEALOUS of.
Because, to me, they're not used up by what men do.
When I tried to have sex with another woman, however.....I realized that a FEMALE BODY doesn't have the "mental" elocution that I need.
I am already 6 foot 2 (give or take). But contrary to my height--I am very submissive, very soft and feminine...and I crave a convincing dominator.
I grew up with a terrible "Complex" about my height, in fact. I hated being TALL...because along with my dark skin, it limited how many boys would SNIFF OUT the real me.
Therefore, my "weakness" sexually is the NEED to feel small and more feminine--and even when I've been with very short men (as I do love short men)....those men have been very MANLY, masculine and I could feel hair and muscles and scars and LUST in their bodies. They aren't SOFT like females.
I also "fettish" the penis and like to caress and suck on it an awful lot. You can't get virile response with a fake one---and a fake one can't be teased by my considerable talents the way real flesh and blood NERVE ENDINGS can be awakened.
Though I had a GREAT DESIRE to sleep with a woman---the FEMALE BODY repulses and repels me.
It has SLOPES and "smallness" and it's too soft. TOO CUSHY.
Women can't act as "AGGRESSIVELY" as men---and IN BED---I encourage and love men's aggression.
I have even asked to be beaten (lightly) during sex and enjoyed that. I'm in to male domination, sexually.
(NOTE: This DOES NOT MEAN that I enjoyed being "raped" the times that I was in my life or that I enjoyed the abuse I suffered with Osama Bin Laden---I DID NOT. There is a difference from being with a man you WANT to be with...and being VIOLATED by men you would never speak to.)
So anyway....I couldn't "physically" be with a woman---though MENTALLY--it was what I wanted, CHris.
But the "PHYSICAL" stops it.
The only time I almost got past this was the one time I encountered a very GORGEOUS MAN...who turned out to be a "transsexual" who had been SURGICALLY CHANGED from a woman into a MAN.
I wanted so bad to be fucked by him/her--but their penis is made from their breast tissue and they have to use a PUMP to inflate the penis.....
...and it just won't work AT ALL with any RYTHM. So that never happened either.
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Abdi85
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Kola,
All I can say is OMG! Maybe I need to get out more, that was the most crazy, random and honest post I have ever read. Holy shit! |
Abm
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Kola,
I swear, child. Maybe we should register you with Make-A-Dyke Foundation or something. Because you sure do a convincing job of making foks WISH you could be a lesbian, if but to put you outtah your man-wrought misery.
Maybe - if we're lucky - one day medical science will invent a reasonable facsimile dyck. That, plus heaping doses of testosterone and other male hormones might provide a dyke with the requisite levels of hard/hairy manliness that’ll drive you into a sexually-submissive frenzy. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2408
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:23 pm: |
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Mzuri:
I was talking about the "Salvations pole is in the hole" or whatever that is you was saying. Loose her, Satan!
Kola:
There is only ONE Kola Boof. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 4925
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 12:44 pm: |
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Chris: "There is only ONE Kola Boof."
Is that sorta like the legend of The Highlander? "There can be only one!"
Hahahahaha!!! |
Kola_boof
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Kola_boof
Post Number: 2117
Registered: 02-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 01:25 pm: |
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Well, Abm, you know me.
I'm more apt for being "honest" than popular.
And when you're not popular...people pretend everything you say is a lie.
It wasn't my intention to offend men. Just baring my soul.
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Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4770
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 01:44 pm: |
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I found what you had to say fascinating and interesting, kola-nut. And I think many women will be able to identitfy with it. If you are an authentic straight woman, there is no substitute for a man. Forget that they are obtuse, egocentric and vexing. They hold the key to the door of your womanhood. And their positive traits are icing on the cake. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 4929
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 02:02 pm: |
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Kola,
You know I was kidding. I and I'm sure others here appreciate your sharing your more innermost thoughts and feelings. But it can be a tad disconcerting for a man to witness women so totally BLAME all of male-kind for seemingly your EVERY ill and mishap.
Cynique,
Does Chris "...hold the key to the door of your womanhood."? (If so...How GROSS!!!) |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4775
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 02:32 pm: |
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EUW. chrishayden could be the poster boy for "Why Women Want To Turn Into Lesbians". He could make the Virgin Mary want to check out Mary Magdalene. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 4936
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 02:42 pm: |
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Cynique,
Come on now. You're trying to tell me if you were trapped on an island, without any food, shelter or drinking water, you wouldn't back-that-thang-up on Chris to get rescued? |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4777
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 02:56 pm: |
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Having to stomach chrishayden would be a fate worse than death. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 4937
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 02:58 pm: |
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Cynique,
So then I guess your answer to that question would be "No"? |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4778
Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 03:07 pm: |
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Right. The thought of - ugh - being intimate with chrishayden would make me throw up any food he had to offer. |
Brownbeauty123
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 397
Registered: 03-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 12:28 am: |
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LOL
Have you two met before outside this forum?
Kola:
I love the strength and masculinity in men as well. Which is why I could never be a lesbian or even bi.
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Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 329
Registered: 10-2005
Rating:
Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 06:45 am: |
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"Chris Hayden AKSED:
Kola,
You may have explained this before but just for my personal edification--why did you wish you were a lesbian? And why couldn't you go ahead with it?
To escape the heartbreak of needing MEN, Chris.
It's no secret that straight women have VERY INTIMATE friendships (My MOST FUN is cooking for and talking shit/gossiping with OTHER WOMEN)---and I feel that women are more………."
Ooohhhhh..tay! Well there ya have it. One thing that must be said, you may agree or passionately disagree with Ms. Kola’s pontifications, but you cannot accuse her of dishonesty or nebulous posts. Somehow, after reading this (and numerous other posts), I don’t believe she suffers from sexual repression or that she is clinically frigid. I could be wrong…..but I seriously doubt it.
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