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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2356
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 12:24 pm: | 
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Let this be a lesson to you, Cynique. Never forget you are black!
'VIEW' TURNS VICIOUS: WE MADE YOU A STAR!
Wed Jun 28 2006 11:20:10 ET
The wigs and faces have come off on morning television -- and the nails are out!
It isn't pretty.
Barbara Walters coldly ripped into outgoing VIEW talker Star Jones this morning on ABC-TV.
Walters announced that Star would no longer be permitted to appear on the show -- effective immediately -- after Star strayed from script during an exit that's turned ugly.
Transcipt:
WALTERS: "And then there were three. This is, truthfully, a very difficult day for us, and it is a sad day for us. If you were watching the program yesterday, you would have heard Star announce that she's leaving THE VIEW and will not be on the program next fall.
"We didn't expect her to make this statement yesterday. She gave us no warning. And we were taken by surprise. But the truth is that Star has known for months that ABC did not want to renew her contract and that she would not be asked back in the fall.
"The network made this decision based on a variety of reasons which I won't go into now. But we were never going to say this. We wanted to protect star. And so we told her that she could say whatever she wanted about why she was leaving and that we would back her up.
"We worked closely with her representatives and we gave her time to look for another job. We hope she would announce it on the program and leave with dignity.
"But Star made another choice.
"And since her announcement yesterday, she has made further announcements that have surprised us.
"So it is becoming uncomfortable for us to pretend that everything is the same at this table.
"And, therefore, regrettably Star will no longer be on this program, except for some shows that have been prerecorded.
"THE VIEW helped make Star a Star and Star helped make THE VIEW the success that it is.
"We will never forget that. We wish her well in this new chapter of her life as we begin a new chapter on THE VIEW."
"Barbara didn't have my back"
Star Jones fired back on Ryan Seacrest's morning radio show in Los Angeles, PerezHilton.com reports.
Star told KIIS FM: "I'm not trying to be emotional about this. I understand it was a business decision. I understood it was a business decision when I was told then. But then in that same week, I was told they were adding a new co-host and it was Rosie O'Donnell. And that was the same week that she had been so nasty and vicious towards me. Rosie insulted me. She tried to damage me professionally and personally...
"It's a little shocking to me that Barbara feels betrayed. I was really surprised that Barbara feels betrayed. If you watched me yesterday, I said that she was the most amazing mentor and I thanked her for the most amazing opportunity. My departure was orchestrated some time ago. And while I can accept any business decision, it's hard to accept the manner in which it was handled during the last two months. But, if you use words like betrayal, if anyone should be betrayed, it should be me! Barbara didn't have my back...
"It didn't sound right for me when they were saying your ratings have gone down. I said, well wait a minute, I've seen the ratings. The top five shows in the year you're talking about were about me and planning the wedding. It didn't sound right. "
Developing...
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Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 721
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 12:58 pm: |
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Give me a break. I know darn well that Star Jones didn't REALLY expect Barbara Walters to "have my back." That is too stupid. Star needs to retain her dignity, keep her mouth shut, act like she has some class, and get another gig. She's embarrassing herself. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4689
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 02:28 pm: |
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This probably is all calculated by Star to gain public sympathy while creating negative publicity for Barbara Walters and The View. Star is angling to get her own show and to me those looked like crocodile tears she was shedding. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4837
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 03:40 pm: |
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I think these ladies should sit down, air everything out, do their phony make-up hugs and publicly pretend to let bygones be bygones.
Because NOBODY win with a public, protracted catfight.
NOBODY. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2357
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 05:09 pm: |
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Abm:
Baba Wawa and Rosie did. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4845
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 05:30 pm: |
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Chris,
Well. Yes and no.
It the hit of racism get's injected into this issue, Wawa and Butch B*tch O'Donnell could end up losing this one...BIGTIME. |
Fortified
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Username: Fortified
Post Number: 116
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 05:54 pm: |
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^^^^Don't think the race card will 'work' in this one. Baba Wawa helped Iyanla Vanzant get her short-lived show. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4691
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 06:14 pm: |
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The sampling of the program's target audience revealed that Star's popularity rating was very low and her exit would generate no outrage. read: black people don't watch the view in great numbers. All of which was why her contract had, in fact, not even been renewed by the network. Star was really trying to do before she got done. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4692
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 07:00 pm: |
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And I don't need YOU to tell me anything about being black, chrishayden, because you are no expert on the subject. All you are is somebody who sets yourself up as what black should be, and you have no more credentials or more legitmacy than anyone else. You criteria mean zilch to me. I don't understand why you don't get that. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2787
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 07:29 pm: |
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You all are overlooking the sexism component: Barbara Walters and her (feminist) views have been hated by (white) men ever since she hit the scene..only they had nothing to bring her down...till now. The slightest whiff of racism is enough for them to pull a Dan Rather--BITCH SLAPPING, WOMAN HATING STYLE--on her (I won't even cry...). And they can do it without saying a word about color.
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Abdi85
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Username: Abdi85
Post Number: 67
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 07:43 pm: |
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The View is a retarded show to begin with espically now since they added that elizabeth hasselback chick who just speaks out of her ass. I remeber watching The View those days I was sick and stayed home from school and thier arguments were always pretty funny. Star did seem to be very intelligent but she loses me when she shoves her religious belifs down everyone else throats.
I remeber one episode right after the 2004 Tsunami where she somehow managed to make the entire topic about her. Apparently she was vacationing in UAE or Oman (one of those rich arab oil countries) more than a month before the actual Tsunami thousands of miles away in Southeast Asia. She then had the nerve to start praising Jesus that he saved her from a horrible fate etc etc and exclaiming how lucky she was that God was looking out for her. The way it was said, she was clearly making a point about her Christianity. I have to say that made her look really self absorbed and compeatly delusional at the very least. Lets not even get started on her flawed reasoning (if you can call it that) on why she would never vote for an athiest president. She is not a dumb woman on the contrary she is very smart but sometimes wow maybe she shouldn't say anything at all. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4693
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 07:47 pm: |
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Come on. Barbara Walters has never been a rabid feminist. She was strictly focused on her career and has admitted that she was very intimidated by the men in her profession and was glad to be relieved of her duties as Harry Reasoner's co- anchor. And what does getting rid of Star have to do with sexism????? And I am amazed that you all seem to think that there will be a big backlash to Walters kickin Star to the curb. This is not a major issue, it just plain ol good juicy gossip. Next week they'll be asking Star who?? Daytime TV is not taken very seriously. |
Jmho
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Username: Jmho
Post Number: 162
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 07:57 pm: |
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Star mistake started back with that wedding, and promising all those vendors, that they would get free publicity, on the show, in exchange for giving her free stuff for her wedding. They had to pull her skirt tail a few times about it.
She has known for months, that they wouldn't ask her to come back, in the fall, and had been looking around for other opportunities.
But she showed her 'color' when they all agreed that she would announce on Thursday, that she wouldn't be back on next season, but she said then she woke up Tuesday morning, and said, I'm going to do it on the air today. That's why Waters and the producers were shocked. They upheld their word, but Star didn't. And, she also knew that she has given that People Magazine interview, due out Monday, saying that she felt as she was fired.
Contracts aren't renewed or extended every day. She knew (or should have known) that could have been one of the possiblities. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2793
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 08:14 pm: |
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"Barbara Walters has never been a rabid feminist."
Excuse me. What the hell is "The View"??
Oh, my bad. "It's the National Organization of White Women, now."
ROTFLOL!!!
But anyway. Tell the Imus's and Limbaugh's of the world she's not a feminist. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4695
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 09:54 pm: |
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The View is pap. Girl Talk. Entertainment. They never really discuss hot button female issues. Their guests are mostly people plugging books or movies. Feminist are hard-nosed in your face, no nonsense activists. And come to think of it, Rosie O'Donnell is more of a feminist than Ba-Ba Wah-Wah with her coiffed hair and designer clothes and perfect make up. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2799
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 7 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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Stop with the misinformation!
Not all feminists are hard-nosed in your face, no nonsense activists.... Pat Collins, Zora Neal Hurston, Alice Walker (a womanist), Sojourner Truth: "Aint I a Woman", Coretta *Scott* King (feminist in her views)...
and the list goes on.
Now, bell hooks and her "Killing Rage" may be classified as such. But not all feminists are nearly as "in your face" as you described. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 423
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 02:46 am: |
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I've worked in studios and production companies all over Hollywood, and there are "NO" real friends anywhere to be found. The "H" game is all about greed, money, deceipt, power, control, manipulation, privilege and corruption. I'm sure I forgot something in that list, and I hope it wasn't my mind. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 724
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 09:44 am: |
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You forgot selfishness, jealousy and betrayal. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4696
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 10:00 am: |
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The feminist movement came into its own during the 1960s, Tonya, and it was militant and agressive. Every woman, is in a sense, a feminist but the activists who advance The Cause are not passive. Zora Neal Hurston was certainly known for her feistiness but Coretta Scott King? She lived on the reputation of her husband all of her life. BTW, abortion is a key issue among feminists and those who oppose a woman not having control over her body are luke warm feminists. And since so many feminists are lesbians, homophobes are persona non grata in the feminist community. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4849
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 01:30 pm: |
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Cynique: "And since so many feminists are lesbians, homophobes are persona non grata in the feminist community."
You're dayam right. The dykes have taken over the joint. And WRECKED it, in the process.
Those hellraisin' clitlickers booted (recently departed) Betty Friedan from her haloed statute in the Woman's movement for mere suggesting that there be less emphasis on lesbianism and abortion and more upon marriage and family.
And, hell, Friedan's 1963 book "The Feminine Mystique" friggin' STARTED the modern Feminist Movement...plus she friggin FOUNDED N.O.W. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2807
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 02:39 pm: |
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"The feminist movement came into its own during the 1960s, Tonya, and it was militant and agressive."
It still doesn't prove that all feminist are hard-nosed in your face activists. Even in the sixties some were militant and many were not. You just didn't hear alot from or about the ones that were not.
"...but Coretta Scott King? She lived on the reputation of her husband all of her life."
So What. Her husband was arguably the most famous black man to live. But she also had her own views--and they were no less feminist than Alice Walker's, Oprah Winfrey's or Maya Angelou's. Not all feminists are activist nor do they claim to be. But, as I said of Barbara Walters, Corretta Scott King was indeed quite feminist IN HER VIEWS.
"Zora Neal Hurston was certainly known for her feistiness..."
As with the rest of your post, I’m not sure what you mean by her feistiness, but if you’re saying Zora's culturally black, sistagirl behavior equals lead chopping lesbian activism, then that would make all of us--eeeven you--lead eating lesbian activists, too. And we all know you are no activist. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4701
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 03:25 pm: |
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We obviously have 2 different ideas of what a feminist is, Tonya. To me, there were independent woman who stood up for themselves, and then there were militant female activists who organized for the purpose of demanding that society guarantee women equal rights; the latter were feminists. Alice Walker is notorious for castigating men and extolling women and Zora didn't earn her reputation for being in the vanguard of feminism by being a shrinking violet. BTW, Alice Walker admits to swinging both ways and Zora was rumored to have done so, too. As ABM noted, the feminist movement was gradually taken over by lesbians because once women got equal rights the straight ones realized that you have to be careful what you wish for because you might get it and they started to resist the erosion of their roles as wives and mothers. And, no, I have never considered myself a rabid feminist because I think men and women are equal, but not the same. Viva la difference! |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2810
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 03:56 pm: |
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Interesting |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2817
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 04:57 pm: |
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"We obviously have 2 different ideas of what a feminist is..."
No you misrepresented my post (perhaps innocently to bolster your point). Because I made reference to Walter's feminist VIEWS--and you countered with "{she} has never been a rabid feminist." I then pointed you in the direction of "the View" as evidence of her own VIEWS; and you disagreed, then turned around and started talking about hardcore lesbians, Rosie's hair, activists and whatnot. Which had nothing to do with my original point.
All said though your statement is misleading but still correct; we do have different ideas of what a feminist is; that's for sure. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4705
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 05:03 pm: |
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I repeat. IMO Ba-Ba Waw-Waw would never be the poster girl for the Feminist movement and The View is not a show case for the feminist mission. It's just a chatty show which from time to time is headed up by its matriarch Barbara Walters who steers clear of issues that are too controversial for the show's bland audience. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2818
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 05:04 pm: |
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...and we have diffrent ideas of what activists are as well. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2821
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 05:28 pm: |
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"I repeat. IMO Ba-Ba Waw-Waw would never be the poster girl for the Feminist movement and The View is not a show case for the feminist mission. It's just a chatty show which from time to time is headed up by its matriarch Barbara Walters who steers clear of issues that are too controversial for the show's bland audience."
Well you shouldn't repeat that because it was never implied in the first place. And "The View" is centered on women's (feminist) issues. It's a chatty show, yeah. But the first segment of every show is devoted to serious often times political and/or female (feminist) matters. This show may not be to your liking but it’s silly to deny what it's about. Too many people know its contents. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4706
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 05:44 pm: |
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"You all are overlooking the sexism component: Barbara Walters and her (feminist) views have been hated by (white) men ever since she hit the scene..only they had nothing to bring her down...till now. The slightest whiff of racism is enough for them to pull a Dan Rather--BITCH SLAPPING, WOMAN HATING STYLE--on her (I won't even cry...). And they can do it without saying a word about color."
Well, everything that you said in the above post is speculation on your part and not totally correct and is certainly open to question. White men in the media are not running to Star's rescue in their eagerness to bring Barbara Walter's down, but seem content to sit back and watch the fur fly, except of course for the tabloid gang who are taking delight in Star's exit because she is very unpopular among her TV colleagues. So, yes, we should agree to disagree.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2822
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 05:51 pm: |
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You can question me. And you can think that it's incorrect. Just don't put words in my mouth. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4707
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 06:07 pm: |
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I was responding to your assertion that Barbara Walters was somebody who men were anxious to bring down because of her feminist views. If I got the impression that this implied that she was a rabid feminist then excuse me. Excuse me for thinking that unless a woman is a rabid feminist, then men in power don't want to exact revenge on her. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2825
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 06:19 pm: |
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"I was responding to your assertion that Barbara Walters was somebody who men were anxious to bring down because of her feminist views."
WHEN?? |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2827
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 06:48 pm: |
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Cynnique:
Excuse me for thinking that unless a woman is a rabid feminist, then men in power don't want to exact revenge on her.
Tonya:
Yeah. Excuse yourself.
I wouldn't call Afghan, Indian, and African female natives "rabid feminists." But look how many powerful men are in line to rape, torture, murder--exact revenge--often for somebody else’s crimes--on them.
Give it up. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4708
Registered: 01-2004
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I will give it up. I don't think what you just wrote even makes sense to you. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2828
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 07:05 pm: |
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I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know what I meant. Good chatting with you like old times though.  |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 726
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 29, 2006 - 08:52 pm: |
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Baba Wawa speaks:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2129068 |
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