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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2583
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 03:15 pm: | 
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Are we under a terrorist threat? Or white people? |
Jackie
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Username: Jackie
Post Number: 181
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 03:20 pm: |
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When it comes to al-qaida, you are an AMERICAN. |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 17
Registered: 05-2006
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I don't consider Al-Queda a terrorist organization.
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Kenology
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 03:38 pm: |
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I don't consider Al-Queda a terrorist organization. |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 456
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 03:44 pm: |
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I don't consider them a terrorist organization either. They are just a group of non-white ppl who are trying to defend their homeland from white colonialism. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 543
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 03:54 pm: |
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By blowing up me??? |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2584
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 04:16 pm: |
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Keep it coming guys cuz I'm not clear where we stand on this issue. Thanks. |
Jackie
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Username: Jackie
Post Number: 182
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 04:26 pm: |
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Regardless of what you see al-qaida as, they don't discriminate when it comes to Americans. Unless of course you are one of them. And trust me they ain't got time to be trying to decipher who's who. If you get word of what's about to go down, yo azz better not be in the way. |
Batmocop
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Username: Batmocop
Post Number: 35
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:12 pm: |
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Woah! I won't start a fire with this one but Al Qa'ida is very much a terroist organization, and they stray incredibly far from their homeland to do dirt, not to defend. Little known fact, when the US went to Somalia to help stop the massacre of a people guess who it was behind the scenes causing the ruckus... It was Al Qa'ida... |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 19
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:20 pm: |
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^ In Somalia? I don't believe that at all.
Also, let's not pretend that America was there to 'stop massacres' or otherwise help out the Somalis. The U.S. doesn't get involved in anything unless there is some kind of benefit... some kind of economic or material interest.
Also, Al-Queda is *not* a terrorist group. Any and every group that threatens to destroy the current status quo is always referred to as "radical" or "terrorist". The U.S. is the biggest terrorist the world has ever seen, no body has a track record like America's.
I see nothing wrong with resisting or otherwise standing up to American imperialism and hegemony, which is what Al Queda is doing. I regret that innocent people do and have died though. |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 20
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:23 pm: |
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Also, sorry for the double post earlier...
And Tonya and Jackie... what threat are you guys talking about? I haven't heard anything... |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 553
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:49 pm: |
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quote:^ In Somalia? I don't believe that at all.
Why wouldn't you believe? The man said it was a little known fact. I don't know that much about it myself but Somalia is a Sunni Muslim populated country. The U.S. went into Somalia for several reasons, one of which was to stabilize area airports and roads so that food could be distributed orderly. BatMan knows about the Al Qaeda situation because he served in the military during those years.
Anyway, the things that are happening overseas will probably start happening here soon. So do like me, stay out of densely populated areas during peak traffic times. Conduct your shopping and other business during off hours as much as possible. Just in case ppl. I'm being very serious here so don't say I didn't tell you so. |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 459
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 09:57 pm: |
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Isn't the Klan a terrorist group who bombs and kills innocent ppl. However, they get to hide behind the 1st amendment of Freedom of Speech. But if someone was to say that they are a member of Al-Quieda they would be beaten, arrested, jailed, and raped like at Abu-Grave(Don't know if that is the correct spelling). |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 555
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 10:06 pm: |
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Kenology - you can delete your posts for about 10 minutes until they become permanent. Anyway, the threat we are referring to is the terrorist threat. You've probably forgotten but it's the color coded system that's displayed on CNN and some of the other networks from time to time. But don't rely on the code since it probably won't turn red until something disastrous has already occurred.
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?theme=29 |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 21
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 10:09 pm: |
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Mzuri -- "Why wouldn't you believe?"
(How did you quote me like that? Didn't know this board had that option...)
So basically, since Batmocop said it, and he served in the military, I'm just supposed to put stock in it? C'mon now...
You gotta link or something? Let me read up on it and determine for myself if it's believeable or just propaganda used to justify the U.S.'s presence in Somalia.
Damn those Hollywood fairytale "Black Hawk Down" stories.
Also, black people have no business being in the U.S. military.
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Jackie
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Username: Jackie
Post Number: 183
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 10:23 pm: |
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baby doll >>>>>>>>, Jackie never mentioned the word threat. And like I wrote before, terrorism doesn't discriminate, so if you get word of something about to go down, get the hell outta dodge, or your azz is grass. nuff said. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 556
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 12:09 am: |
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Kenology - The quote was done using formatting code. It is inserted manually. I'm a long-time computer nerd, taught myself HTML ten years ago. But it's not that complicated.
No you shouldn't blindly believe what BatMan says, but you can give him the benefit of the doubt. The man spent 20 yrs in the military (I believe that's what he posted somewhere on this board), he is also a successful published author. So he must know something.
Myself - I was employed by Dept of Army in a civilian capacity for many years. For a few of those years I was a labor union official and was made privy to things (because they impacted the civilian workforce) that I can't post on a public forum. But I am open to believe most anything about the govt, the military, POTUS or whatever. Things are jacked up.
The following statement does not apply to all Black ppl who join the military, because many of them are either commissioned as officers straight out of college or join in order to further their educations. But many of our brothers and sisters join the military because it is a steady job with decent income, benefits, medical care and opportunities to advance. A very large proportion of the military consists of Black ppl.
Regarding the link - BatMan said it was little known, so I doubt it's available on the net. But you can google "U.S. Army in Somalia" and come up with plenty info, I'm sure. |
Brownbeauty123
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Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 261
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 12:15 am: |
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Mzuri, you've been doing all this cool stuff on this forum and not telling us how to do it! LOL Please explain how to do html
It would be so much easier to post if posters knew how to quote each other. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 557
Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 01:08 am: |
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Okay. Look down towards the bottom of this page. There you will see a blue bar with white lettering. There is a tab that reads "Help/Instructions" Click that and then click on "Formatting" These instructions will only work on this forum or someplace similar.
Regular HTML can be learned from websites such as www.HTMLGoodies.com that's where I got started. |
Doberman23
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Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 350
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 02:35 am: |
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he following statement does not apply to all Black ppl who join the military, because many of them are either commissioned as officers straight out of college or join in order to further their educations. But many of our brothers and sisters join the military because it is a steady job with decent income, benefits, medical care and opportunities to advance. A very large proportion of the military consists of Black ppl.
I agree 100% with you mzuri, I was able to pay for cellege without taking up loans at all. helped my mom out, helped my brother who was going to college at the time, It also gave me a chance to grow up (that's still debatable) see other parts of the states and a couple of other places, interact with other people from various places, and it also helped instill discipline ... I went into school without screwing up like half of the people I knew. |
Doberman23
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Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 351
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 02:36 am: |
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tonya ... i think that al quida knows we aren't good bargaining chips, they hit the world trade center not brooklyn subways or wherever all the bros & sis are in nyc. |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 22
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 09:16 am: |
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@ Jackie - I wasn't being confrontational, so please don't get defensive. I just asked an honest question based on what you said in your first post.
"If you get word of what's about to go down"
What's about to go down? I didn't get word, so I'm asking. If I don't know, I ask.
As for the Armed Forces and Black people... I'm sorry, but I'm not too fond of blacks being cannon fodder for Operation Human Shield. A misproportionate amount of blacks on the frontlines along with a misproportionate amount of blacks dying in combat... It's funny how a segment of the U.S. population is always kept downtrodden so that they have no other alternatives *but* join the military. U.S. military excursions in Africa, so they can pillage and loot our Motherland's resources, black troops on the U.S. side killin' black troops on the African side... self-annihilation no matter how you look at it -- all for the stars and stripes???
Coondy said it best...
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/Q/T/condi_whitey.jpg |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 558
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 09:56 am: |
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LOL!!! That's a good one Kenology!!!
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Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 559
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 10:16 am: |
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Kenology - People join the military of their own free will. During peace time it can be gravy. I spent a great deal of time working with soldiers who had office jobs, and things seemed pretty cushy to me. There are soldiers who have manual labor types of jobs as well - equipment techs and repair ppl, truck drivers, cooks, medical personnel, etc. so I'm not saying everyone in the military has it easy. But there were times when I'd see a female SergeantMajor or CommissionedOfficer and wonder why I didn't do the Army thing myself. I know why (1. I ain't getting out of bed at zero-four 2. I'm not the type that can sport combat boots 24/7 and 3. I'm gonna roll my eyes and make other gestures when I damn well please and I'm going to speak my mind) it was just a passing thought.
BUT - during war time, your a$$ just might be on the line. And there's nothing pleasant about it. As Curtis Blow put it - THAT'S THE BREAKS!!! You take the good with the bad.
I'm so hopeful that our soldiers can come home soon. Let's all pray for that to happen. |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 23
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 11:33 am: |
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Every brutha and sista that joins the military had better be on some "The Spook Who Sat By the Door" shit.
I have no problem with brutha milkin' Uncle Sam for all he's worth (though it could never compensate for how much he's milked our people), but don't fight and die for him and his imperialism... that's all I'm sayin'.
But let me shut up before I fall victim to Amerikkka's COINTELPRO program. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2231
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 12:00 pm: |
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I think being Arabs and Muslims members of Al Quaeda wouldn't give a damn if some negroes got blown up or killed when they pull a job--
I think like most people in the world they would know that deliberately targeting blacks would be a waste of bombs--they know we ain't making no decisions and knocking us off won't change a thing.
Two jokes we tell over here on the Northside of St. Louis.
Al Quaeda terrorists arrive in North St. Louis strapped and ready to blow themselves up. They call HQ.
"Somebody beat us to it!"
2nd joke. Osama Bin Laden calls up George Bush and tells him he has a bomb under Harlem ready to blow and if the US don't get out of Iraq and Afghanistan he will blow every black neighborhood in the US to kingdom come.
"Bring it on!" Bush laughs. |
Jackie
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Username: Jackie
Post Number: 184
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 12:24 pm: |
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>>>>>>>>>>>far from defensive. I just simply wrote that I never used the word "threat". You didn't get "when somethng is about to go down ?" When al Q.uaeda is about to blow up something, if you're not in the know, the inside, then you'll be apart of the casualties if you're in the way, regardless of your skin color. Plain and simple. |
Batmocop
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Username: Batmocop
Post Number: 36
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 12:38 pm: |
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You know what Kenology, I'ma say this and then probabbly just listen to the rest of this thread just knowing better. First of all you don't have to believe it because I said it. You seem to be a pretty knowledgable person "look it up!" research any documents available on Somalia during the Clinton years. And that comment about Hollywood and Blackhawk down. Well guy some of those hollywood heros who died tragically were good friends of mine with good families. And why were we there? We (as in my soldiers and I) were saving lives...
Don't get the US agenda mixed up with the mindset of the people who serve in the military. They do what they are told, unless it is illegal. I can only speak from expierience and what I have SEEN having been there and having spoken to a true terrorist. (if not several without knowing it) You don't have to believe that any group is terrorist. But please don't delude yourself into believing that you know anything about these groups. I have first hand knowledge you have entertainment news. |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 24
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 12:52 pm: |
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Batmocop... c'mon homie. You had my ear until you began patronized me from your "proverbial pedestal" with that predictable 'I've-been-there-and-you-haven't' rhetoric. I don't care what you say you've seen or where you've been or whatever... I'm not one to just arbitrarily digust whatever is spoon-fed to me. I have entertainment news? WTF are you talkin' about? You lost me there. Funny how rank and file soldiers swear they know what's what... As if the big-wigs would actually share their true motives with y'all. I hope you're not really that naive. General Smedley Butler talked about that all the time...
But anyways, it's not my intention to get into any Willie Lynch(ing) campaigns. But I suggest you engage me in a more pratical manner because your whole 'you-don't-know-shit-but-I-do" approach isn't too compelling. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2234
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 03:27 pm: |
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Batmocop:
That is the biggest bunch of bull I ever heard. The US was in Somalia because it is in a strategic naval choke point at the horn of Africa and for nothing else--the same reason it is backing some of the factions over there now.
Those friends of yours who died--they are not dying for you or me. They are dying for Exxon Mobil and Haliburton.
This is not new and this is not germane only to the U.S. The little guys don't make any decisions about when and where they go to die and they sure don't get out of it what they put in.
I was watching that movie Alexander the Great the other day. Alexander is bragging, comparing himself to Hercules. One of his officers tells him he didn't do all of that himself.
Alexander runs him through (this was historically accurate, as far as the sources go).
Alexander the Great would not have been crap but for the thousands of Macedonians who followed him into Asia, most of who just got a hole in the dirt for their efforts.
But they clamored to join him.
Thus has it been. Thus shall it ever be. |
Batmocop
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 03:28 pm: |
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You see I wasn't even trying to patronize you. The point was, don't take my word for it. And entertainment news would be CNN, FOX, CBS, or your flavor of NBC. As far as engaging you in a more practical, manner I'll be your huckleberry but check where that came from. One would think you would be the subject matter expert based on your posts. It's all good though, no love lost, the only piece of compelling info I care to leave you witth at this point is... I am a big wig.... |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 25
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 04:25 pm: |
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I cosign Chrishayden
@ Batmocop - you just may probably be as far up as a brutha can go, but you a'int a big-wig my man. To even get remotely close to being one, you'd have had to sell your soul to the devil (or the white man, which, to some, is one in the same). |
Urban_scribe
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 04:42 pm: |
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I may be in the minority here but, I never for one second felt or feel threatened by al-Quaeda or any other anti-American "terrorist" group. I don't believe these groups are against American people specifically. Rather, they are against the American government. Think about what they struck: The World Trade Center and The Pentagon. Our money and our defense. If you weaken a nation's finanacial and military powers, you inevitably weaken the nation itself. It's tragic that so many innocent lives were lost but they were not the true target. Again, think about it. If you were against American people specifically then why not hit the CDC? Once all of those germs and diseases mix and become airborne you could wipe out tens of millions Americans over a 200 or 300 mile radius. Perhaps the killing field would be even greater. Lots of those diseases would be passed down from generation to generation via the survivors. Think Japan and WWII. Today, Japanese babies are still being born with birth defects as a result of radiation exposure from a war that occurred sixty years ago.
I think all of those color coded terrorism alerts on CNN, etc, are there just to place outrage and false fear in the hearts and minds of the average citizen and take the focus off the real reason our cowboy-President waged war against Iraq.
Should "terrorists" strike this country again and I happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and lose my life, I'd die believing that it wasn't personal.
BATMOCOP - not to be confrontational, Sir, as I did not join this board for that purpose. I joined this forum to enjoy comraderie among "my" people--even when we agree to disagree. Having said that, if you are truly "a big wig" in our armed forces as you've stated you are, then you, Sir, are part of the problem.
MZURI - thanks for the welcome.
~us |
Kenology
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Username: Kenology
Post Number: 26
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 04:48 pm: |
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^ I support Urban_scribe's post. |
Batmocop
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Post Number: 39
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 05:17 pm: |
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Okay I guess I just can't stay away. Part of the problem no..... The US in it for it's own interest Yes. You guys are so final in your ideas that you just miss the point completely. U_Scribe don't worry about being confrentational. I was welcomed here with open arms (mostly) And I respect everyones opinion. However the point I was originally trying to make was that There are true terrorist groups out there with no kind of defending aganda. Nuff said about that.
I'd love to know how you believe I am part of the "problem" simply because I'm privy to certain information that the general public is not. My purpose in life as it pertains to the Military some of y'all aparently can't stand so much, is to make sure your cousins, uncles, brothers, friends, or just that guy you know in uniform make it back home alive. If that's a problem, I stand convicted. It doesn't matter if you believe the Only reason we go to other countries as a military is to rob rape and pillage like pirates in the old days. If I sound offish it's because I simply know better, and It's hard not to defend what "I" did when I wore that uniform when I know it was in the best interest of the little guy. Those guys who have no say so. And there are Black folks in the military who take care of Black folks so that when its all said and done, maybe they can grow up and write books or somthing to have some peace in their lives for once.
take that for what its worth
BatMo-> |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2597
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 05:17 pm: |
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Ken: "...what threat are you guys talking about? I haven't heard anything ..."
I just used a phrase I hear all the time. I haven't heard anything either, no. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 564
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 05:23 pm: |
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Pay attention y'all! He said he's retired! And I'm just curious to know if either one of you gentlemen (Chris, Ken, Urban) ever served in any of the U.S. Armed Forces??? Government??? Just curious.
Do any of you all live in a community that has received local be-on-the-lookout-for-the-AQ-terrorist warnings??? Because I do. But there ain't no such thing as AQ terrorists. And that little newsflash was broadcast to scare me and keep me in check. I don't think so.
And BTW, GEN Smedley Butler never dealt with an extremist terrorist organization.
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Urban_scribe
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 05-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 06:25 pm: |
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BATMOCOP - it seems I've indeed offended you. For that I apologize as that was NEVER my intention. When I stated you are/were part of the problem I meant if you shared in any of the decision making process to invade foreign countries to further America's ulterior agenda. If you were merely a high-ranking officer, however privileged to certain information which civilians will never know of, then ultimately you were merely a fallguy if anything.
MZURI - Unlike Chris and Ken, I'm not a gentleman. I lived in Hinesville, GA from 2001-2003 just outside Ft. Stewart "Rock of the Marne". Home of the 3rd ID(mechanized). At the time Bush declared war against Iraq I'd been seriously dating a staff-Sargeant(E5)who'd been sent to fight the war, first in Kuwait then onto Iraq. He returned home a year later wounded and shellshock. Not killed, however. I stood by him through his recovery and multiple psychiatric evaluations. For a period of time after he'd returned home, he was under military orders not to carry a gun. When all was said and done, his experience in "Operation Iraqi Freedom" ended our relationship. I don't even want to think about, much less repeat, the stories he'd shared with me. He was on the frontline. He courageously fought for and defended his country. And how has Uncle Sambo thanked him for his service? He'll get a check each month for the rest of his life. Other than that, he returned home a shadow of the man who'd gone off to war. I guess there's no cure for that, no compensation. So, you'll understand if my feelings about our government, not the members of service themselves, are less than supportive.
Furthermore, prior to moving to GA I lived in NY (born and bred New Yorker). I worked at the World Trade Center in the mid-late 80's (before the first bombing). On numerous occassions I enjoyed lunch in Tobin Plaza whenever weather permitted. Today, I'm back residing in New York (you can take the girl out of New York but ...) Since my return home in late 2003, I've visited Ground Zero. In fact, I'm just a thirty minute subway ride from there and not a month passes that I don't bypass it. I travel on the Queensboro Bridge and look over to see emptiness where our mighty Twin Towers once illuminated New York's breathtaking skyline. It's heartbreaking really. I travel through Grand Central Station frequently and witness an overwhelming police presence. So, the answer to your question is YES, I am very much in the thick of things. However, I don't believe al-Quaeda has it in for ME.
~us |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 565
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 06:53 pm: |
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Urban Scribe - Thank you for sharing. I know it must have been difficult to type all of that, it's emotional. I'm sorry for your unfortunate experiences. However it does not entitle you to question the integrity or intentions of another person whom you know nothing about. Please just give ppl the benefit of the doubt until they give you reason not to. It's real ppl posting to this forum, and we're not just here because we have nothing better to do.
I'm no expert on this subject, but the way that terrorists get back at enemy govts is by attacking its ordinary citizens. Do you honestly believe that any of the ppl who died/or were maimed at the Murrah building in OKC were the govt? Or the ppl at the Pentagon. Of course not. They were ordinary citizens serving their country and trying to earn a living. As an employee of the federal govt during those times, I took those attacks very personal.
Maybe Al Qaeda doesn't have it in for you specifically, but they are out to get you in general. If you are comfortable being a sacrificial lamb for the Palestinians or whatever their cause is today, then more power to you. I'm not trying to catch any bullets for anyone anytime soon. I value my life, my family and my friends, and I'm not ready to die just yet.
Anyway, to whoever asked for some links - I've been searching the deep web for something rich in content. You might find these interesting and maybe not:
http://www.cfr.org/issue/135/terrorism.html
http://www.defendamerica.mil
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Yukio
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urban_scribe: thats deep . . . You know, I am so used to seeing soldiers and police officers that I've almost forgotten what its like not to have them around, especially at Penn Station and Grand Central.
So, I second your point! They aren't after me, but people who live here, and if you are a tourist, God Bless you!
Coincidentally, there is a book that addresses these issues:
The Paradox of Loyalty: An African American Response to the War on Terrorism
Here is an essay by one of my favorite writers, John Edgar Wideman that is in the book:
http://www.refuseandresist.org/war/art.php?aid=534
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Kenology
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@ Mzuri - "And BTW, GEN Smedley Butler never dealt with an extremist terrorist organization."
Please don't take my words out of their original context. That statement was in reference to ordinary soldiers (i.e. cannon fodder) being misled about the true motives behind U.S. military excursions...
Please do not misconstrue the meaning behind my words!
"I'm not trying to catch any bullets for anyone anytime soon. I value my life, my family and my friends, and I'm not ready to die just yet."
I'd take one for the liberation of my people. But some don't realize that they're still slaves. 
And will y'all stop saying "our" government... Y'all a'int got shit to do with this government -- this government had it in for all of us ever since the first African stepped off of the ship (called Jesus too, ironically).
Also, have y'all ever heard of this underground DVD with quite a few physicists, architects, mechanics, engineers, etc. went on record to say that the whole Twin Towers fiasco was a hoax? I haven't seen it yet, but a friend of mine has the DVD. He said something about the building's structure and how jet fuel can't burn at a temperature high enough to melt the steel beams in the buildings, etc., etc... I don't know, I'd love to see it though. Funny how Americans lap up all the fear the media force feeds them. They constantly want you all to be afraid... Just watch television with that in mind and you'll see exactly what I mean.
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Urban_scribe
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KENOLOGY - if you live in NY (or nearby) go to Times Square. There's a great big demonstration going on there with people handing out flyers and carrying posters about the Twin Towers bombing being a conspiracy engineered by the US government. They've got bullhorns and the whole nine. They even have a website. That's the 1st Amendment for your ass. Anybody can say damn near anything. I have one of the flyers. One of the demonstrators just shoved it at me. Tried to get me to sign a petition, too. They're asking for an independent, unbiased committee to investigate "evidence" that America herself was truly behind the bombings to give merit to this government initiating the war in Iraq. Yeah, right! That'll happen.
Also, I do consider this my/our government. As Blacks we have contributed too much to this country not to have a voice. Thing is, all too often as Blacks we concern ourselves with good ol' boy shit that has nothing to do with us. That's when we become unfocused and divided on the issues which do concern us.
And you better than me, bruh. Cuz I ain't taking no bullet for nothing I didn't give birth to.
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Kenology
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^ Hell yeah we contributed to this country. I think the word "contributed" is a huge understatment, in fact... 256 years of free labor? Yeah. Definitely. Even still, we don't have anything to show for it.
Y'all need to read the GLOBAL 2000 Report to the President to see what "your" government has in store for y'all asses. How about the King Alfred Plan (later amended Rex-84)... We need our own government in my opinion. Because this one, that you call your own, never has and never will have our best interest in mind. |
Jackie
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Kenology, the underground video you're referring to is 911 in Plane Site. I have it. And still, my point is, whoever blew up the WTC's, they sure weren't going out of their way to warn blacks. Terrorism be it from whites, arabs, or otherwise ain't gonna take the time to warn people. It's called ollateral damage. |
Chrishayden
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I'll be damned if negroes don't want to be with white folks so bad they are wishing to get blown up with them.
No wonder they think we're crazy. |
Urban_scribe
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Kenology
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LOL!
I agree with you Jackie, but I'm just sayin' that black people aren't specifically targeted.
Can you please let me know where I can check out that DVD? The friend who told me about it lives all the way in Cali and I'm on the east coast. |
Cynique
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Former secretary of State Madelynn Albright in her new book says that what the U.S. Military and Government never took seriously enough was the role religion plays in terrorism. Ever since the Crusdades, for centuries Muslims have been on a ferverent mission to overthrow Christianity and reclaim the world for Allah, and both sides think God is on their side. Arguably a religious fanatic is no match for an American G.I. The fanatic thinks he's doing god's work and the G.I. thinks he defending mom and apple pie. Both are wrong. IMO, it's about the oil that fuels the wheels of capitalism, and the hate that inflames the sores of poor losers. That's why somebody said America should leave Iraq because this would allow the terrorists to save face by giving the impression that AlQaida has triumphed over Christianity which, in turn, would make America more safe not more dangerous. Am I afraid of Al-Qaida? Nah. There's no real defense against a fanatic with dreams of 40 virgins awaiting him in the afterlife to reward him for sacrificing his life for Islam. But the odds are in my favor because the chances of an American resident being a victim of terrorism are very slim. |
Rastafurious
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ken yo bruh u have lost it |
Kenology
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^ Why thank you, sir.
But in the future, you might wanna back up your words with some substance next time. 'Cause I'd like to know why you think I've "lost it". |
Rastafurious
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back with substance how u don't consider al-queda terrorists |
Kenology
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^ OK. I've already explained why I don't consider them a terrorist group in a post above (as did Serenasailor - who said it even better than I did).
But also, Rastafurious, lemme ask you this...
Have you ever heard of ELF? They're a so-called "terrorist" group too. A domestic "terrorist" group. I would love to know what you think about them -- I try'na gauge how you determine whether certain organizations are terrorist or not.
Also, for the rest of you. Have y'all ever heard that Al-Queda actually doesn't even exist?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/150705blairadmits.htm
I had another full length article, but I can't find it now... it was pretty interesting. Just google it if you wanna know more. |
Abm
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I don't have any personal beef with al-Qaida. But since they're not likely to give any racial preference or deference to my Black a$$ if I am on some plane or building they're bombing, I don't have a problem with them getting some hot M-16 rounds fired off into their a$$e$. |
Clymenestra
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As the daughter of a rural poor white boy, blacks joining the military is not an insidious program by the white government to kill off the black man.
My grandfather died when my father was two years old. He had no marketable skills when he graduated from high school, so her joined the army and worked his way up in the ranks. When he left the military, he put himself through college through the GI bill and he built his own house using a veteran's land grant.
Many poor young black men are on the same track that my father and other poor whites went on. The military was the first institution, be it public or private that desegregated and was aggressive about pushing through equal opportunity. The military was not only responsible for a large white middle class after WWII, it is also responsible for the growing black middle class.
No, I don't like some of the careless military adventurism that a lot of this has entailed, but even though all our young men and women are on hazardous duty in the military, they are greatly compensated when they get out.
But we need to stop seeing the military as either brutal enforcers or economic victims of an imperialistic power and understand that they are the only folks standing between all of us women and being bitch-slapped into a burkha.
Thank you for defending my honor and my freedom, Batmocop and God bless you.
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Cynique
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"But we need to stop seeing the military as either brutal enforcers or economic victims of an imperialistic power and understand that they are the only folks standing between all of us women and being bitch-slapped into a burkha."
That's where you lost me, Clymenestra daugher of a poor rural white boy. It was all a big build up, telling us poor ol black folks that you did it and we can too, all a promotion for the final thrust of your thinly-disguised right wing conservatism. Of course you have a right to express your views and defend that misguided war and I have a right to tell you to take your devious glibness and stick it up your tight ass. Next you'll be telling us that George Bush and his cabal of neocons have our best interest at heart. Puleeze.
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Clymenestra
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I'm not presuming to tell black folks anything except that the military has been historically responsible for the middle class as we know it today.
All I know is that poverty doesn't discriminate.
Neither do airplanes driven into tall buildings. Neither do bombs. The jihadists don't have "smart bombs" that only kill white Christians.
FYI, Cynique, I don't trust George Bush or other Western leaders out there. They routinely like to tell me what a religion of peace Islam is even as jihadists are blowing people up, raping, killing and beheading people. I do take Bin Laden seriously when he says his goal is to establish an International Caliphate and impose Sharia law on everyone. Convert or kill us all.
Reading your post reminds me of all those folks who read Mein Kampf and just figured that Hitler was a loon who was blowing smoke out of his ass. He was a loon, but he did everything he said he would. Bin Laden and his boys are serious 'cause Pinky and de brain vant to take over the vorllld!
The fact is that young Americans are going to have to face terrorists just like people of every hue in every other part of the world are doing. We have a choice. We can send young Americans in their prime, in full physical condition, armed to the teeth to deal with the jihadists or we can have young children facing them in elementary schools with only a teacher janitor to protect them a`la Beslan, Russia.
I don't know about you but I would prefer if we fight them over there. If this country is bombed into the ground and American survivors are all refugees, where the fuck do you think we can go? Mexico? You honestly think they will welcome us with open arms? Talk to the people south of their border and you might be enlightened.
Again to any military people on this board, thank you for your service to this country and taking care of all of us. You rock! |
Cynique
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Well, I don't agree with your assessment that if we don't fight them there, we will have to fight them here. That's was the rationale for the Viet Nam war and it was a fallicious argument. If we get the hell out of their country and psyche them into believing that they got rid of us thus making them feel good about themselves, they won't feel the need to try and terrorize America on its own turf and thousands of lives will be saved. Of course to you that would all be the "cut and run" solution. It's all about the macho mentality of foolish men. The military abounds with these war mongers. America will have to realize that they cannot police the world, and destroy countries and kill their people all under the guise of spreading the democracy which is ailing here at home. Sorry but your patented argument full of subliminal propaganda leaves me more suspicious of you than ever. |
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