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Afroerotik Regular Poster Username: Afroerotik
Post Number: 44 Registered: 01-2006
Rating: Votes: 1 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 10:45 am: |
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This month, I’d like to tackle the topic of bisexual men. Yes, bisexual black men. That’s a hot topic fo sho, fo sho. As many of you know by now, my website, www.AfroerotiK.com, is dedicated to showing Black sexuality in a positive light. For many Black people, that means that the site should feature ONLY heterosexual couplings. There are quite a few people that take offense to the idea that I would dare have a site that promotes the healthy expression of African Americans sexuality and embraces same sex unions as well. Popular culture reinforces this notion. Zane, the erotic author, has made her fortune with the continual degradation of Black heterosexual couplings by promoting adultery, nymphomania, sex in exchange for goods, services, or money, casual, thoughtless, reckless sex, and the perpetual depiction of Black women as hoochies and black men as dogs. All I can say is I’m thankful that she hasn’t touched same sex relationships. I couldn’t take her assault on and degradation of a culture that has already been unjustly marginalized and stereotyped. AfroerotiK will not subscribe to promoting heterosexism or the continued demonization of bisexuality within our community. It needs to be said that AfroerotiK romanticizes homosexuality. AfroerotiK romanticizes heterosexuality, homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, transgenderism, hermaphrodites, and eunuchs. AfroerotiK romanticized any relationship involving people of color where the individual respects themselves, their culture, their unique history and desires intimacy, pair bonding, and healthy sexual expression. AfroerotiK romanticizes individuals sharing pleasure in a way that is conducive to the growth and evolution of both parties. The soul knows no gender. AfroerotiK will certainly not promote homophobia, fear, unjustified paranoia or hatred in any way, shape, or form. There are far too many people, with far far too many issues that need to be addressed to be concerned about what other people do in their bedroom. If two people decided to come together to experience pleasure, let them do so without anyone else’s judgment. As a semi bisexual woman, I once lived the life of doubles standard that many many many black women live today. I thought it was sexy and hot for two women to be together and I thought it was nasty, disgusting, and gross for two men to be together. Transformation is a miraculous thing. Luckily, I’ve let go of that silly notions and replaced them it much more informed, logical, and reasoned beliefs. I’d like to claim full bisexual status but I can no longer do so. It’s been many years since I’ve been with another woman, while I find women beautiful, I haven’t had a sexual fantasy about another woman in years as well, and the pool of women that I could consider potential partners, women who are extremely intelligent, with natural hair, who have embraced a holistic and Afrikan centered way of life are women with whom I want to build and grow with as friends, not women I want to sex. I’m going to hold on to my bisexual status because I think it’s an important commentary to make that I can be attracted to a person regardless of their genitals, I am attracted to a persons heart, spirit, and essence, the qualities that make them unique, not the characteristics that make them sexual. I can find attraction with someone based on chemistry and not just because they have a Y chromosome. While my attractions are almost exclusively towards men now, I have the grand delusion that the world would be a much better place if more people felt as if I did rather than apply one set of standards to one gender and another altogether different standard to the other. When I started to erase my fears, my irrational thoughts that motivated my black male homophobia, I began to make peace not only with my fears but I also settled into my own comfort level with my bisexual desires. Bisexuality is a fact of life; it’s not going to disappear if we don’t discuss it. Sex between the people of the same gender doesn’t signal the end of civilization, it doesn’t mean that everyone is going to turn gay, or even that there will be the complete destruction of heterosexual relationships, or that no more babies will be born as many people want to suggest. Sure, it’s a religious belief for many and if you chose to believe that homosexuality is a sin, I might suggest that there are a whole lot of people out here fornicating, committing adultery, and otherwise engaging in immoral acts that need to keep themselves in check before worrying about black men sleeping together. I’m not saying anything is a sin, I’m suggesting that the reasons why black people are terrified of black male bisexuality is a condition of irrational fear and not logic. I’m not going to make this a debate on theology but I’ll simply say that no matter how hard anyone tries, they can’t make bisexuality a greater sin than any other. For those that stand atop the moral and righteous pedestal of homophobia, I hope you don’t hit your head on the rock of hypocrisy when you fall into the pit of self-examination cuz it’s a long and tiring climb back out. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, Black men are emotionally immature. That’s not bashing black men, it’s a commentary on how we have let down our black boys in raising them to think that the standards of manhood are macho oppressive bullshit that in no way fosters their emotional growth. Black men don’t know how to be emotionally open and vulnerable because it’s never been a skill that has been taught to them. I think that a great many men are turning to sexships with other men because it’s an expression of intimacy that they’ve been denied their entire lives. Black men don’t know how to embrace and touch another man in a non-sexual way. Black men need an outlet where they don’t have to be expected to be Superman, provider, protector, and general commander in chief at all times. Black women hold men to this ideal and have no tolerance for any deviation of the sort, quick to emasculate them if they show a tiny sigh of vulnerability. Is it any wonder that Black men can find solace in the arms of another man where they don’t have to wear the mask of grins and lies, that hides their pain and shields their eyes . . . from the harsh reality that everyone needs a place to just be their true authentic selves, without restricting roles they have to live up to. Of course, black men aren’t going to say they find comfort in the arms of another man because they don’t want to have to be manly all the time. Nope, they aren’t going to admit that they enjoy being with other men at all. All too often, brothas approach me looking for validation. They want me to tell them that they are normal for their bisexual desires. They start out telling me that they like sex with other men and mid conversation, they back track, denying their bisexuality for the most convoluted reasons imaginable. They will say that they aren’t bisexual because they don’t actively go out seeking sex with other men, they just engage in sex with other men who approach them. They say that they aren’t bisexual because they only enjoy oral sex with other men or that they aren’t bisexual because they only do it with other men when their girlfriends or wives won’t penetrate them anally or allow them to be open sexually. The most common reason men that who have sex with other men claim they aren’t bisexual is because they say that they love women too much. Actually, they don’t even give us the respect of referring to us as women, they usually say they prefer pussy too much, meaning that if their predominant desires are for women, that somehow magically negates their bisexuality altogether. They refuse to admit, to themselves even, that even a preference for women over men makes them bisexual. It’s that denial that facilitates deceptive and unsafe behaviors, denial fueled by homophobia. Men who have sex with both men and women are bisexual. Period. It doesn’t matter if you rationalize that you only do it on the fourth weekend of months with the letter R in them. We have to stop; we must stop equating bisexuality with femininity. The reason why no one blinks an eye at bisexual women is because a bi woman isn’t seen as more masculine. The minute we think of a bisexual man, we think a man is going to start carrying a purse, talking with a lisp, and wearing pantyhose. Again, we have to redefine manhood. Manhood is having integrity, fulfilling your responsibilities, being honest when you realize that it’s not the easy way out, and being able to release patriarchal roles and treat people like human beings and equals, not as objects to manipulate. It stands to reason that they wouldn’t look to a woman to shed their oppressive costumes because women are believed to be inferior, to be controlled. The idea of treating women as equals is a scary thing for a lot of black men because they feel like they will lose power, that they will be weak if they don’t rule over women. We’ve been raised to think that manhood is tied to oppressing women. You can’t form a healthy relationship if one partner thinks that they have to rule over the other for genetic/religious reasons. Women were not created to be the hand-servants to men, no matter how many man-authored religious texts want to insist that is the case. Inequality of the sexes is a belief perpetuated for thousands of years for no other reason than to appease the egos of men. It’s time we think rationally for a minute and ask ourselves why the Creator of All, The One Most High, is as petty and immature as human beings assert. Why would God so insecure that the oppression of over half of the earth’s population is needed in order for men to feel good about themselves? Right is not better than left, north is not better than south, hot is not better than cold, and man is not better than woman. They are compliments, not rankings. Other than the physical pleasure that men can get from having their prostates stimulated, men can get a freedom and an acceptance from another man that many black women are unwilling to afford their men. I’m not blaming black women for their men turning to other men; I’m not suggesting that black women have to accept their mate’s bisexuality in order to keep a man. I’m saying that we MUST start redefining manhood and having more open-minded conversations about sexuality. We have to stop associating being penetrated as being submissive and weak. We live in a society where the black penis is synonymous with a weapon; we see being receptive, both physically and emotionally, as being a victim. We associate womanhood as a curse. Thinking like that is unhealthy for both men and women not to mention it distorts sex into a power struggle. Sex is supposed to be about intimacy, communication and pleasure, not power, aggression, and domination. Of course, domination can be an aspect of intimacy but that’s another Podcast altogether. If bisexuality doesn’t change a woman’s identity, it won’t change a man’s. It’s just not possible. I think I need to say that I’m not promoting unsafe sex, promiscuity, or some sort of hedonistic society of all-male orgies. I’m promoting the acceptance of male bisexuality as just that, bisexuality. It’s not an indication that a man wants to be a woman, that he’s going to want a sex change, or that he’s going to stop wanting to have relationships with women. I happen to be one of the rare black women that finds male bisexuality sensual and erotic. I think there are only three of us. I’m exaggerating a bit because I’ve been pleased to encounter quite a few black women who say that they enjoy gay porn and that they engage in swinging with their man and other couples where there are no rules about who can play with whom. We are in the minority, that’s for sure. Most women feel that a man’s bisexuality is a sign of their unattractiveness as a woman. They interpret it as a sign that they aren’t woman enough so they go on the attack and berate bisexual black men. Black women are so paranoid that they are going to die alone, without ever finding Prince Charming that protects, provides, and makes a six-figure salary that they will strike out at any reason why they haven’t found a mate. Black women blame their HIV status on bisexual Black men and refuse to take ownership of the fact that any time they are having unprotected sex, they are putting themselves at risk and that is completely and entirely their responsibility. I’m no longer intimidated that I’m going to lose my man to another man because of something that I can’t give him. I’m not afraid that I’m not good enough to keep my man with my hypnotizing nana. I don’t have a need to degrade a man for his bisexual desires, when I have them myself, because I feel like I’m being rejected or that he is less of a man. I’m as secure with the possibility of my man being bisexual as I am with my own bisexuality. Bisexuality isn’t a disease, it isn’t an abomination, and it’s a form of sexual expression, simple as. It doesn’t mean that men are girlie, feminine, submissive, or weak. I think it’s incredibly arousing for my potential mate to be able to explore his sensuality and know that I’m going to be supportive. I can look at male bisexuality in the same way that millions of men look at bisexual women, as sexy, hot and erotic. I judge my partners on their honesty, integrity, and maturity, not what makes them cum. I fully acknowledge that there is an environment of hatred, disgust, and judgment that leads men to think that they have to lie to people, and more so themselves, because they have bisexual desires. There’s nothing shameful about being bisexual, what’s shameful is the way people have twisted it in order to discriminate, alienate, and ostracize. I’ve had the opportunity to be intimate with men who’ve opened up to me in the heat of the moment, in bed, and shared their intimate bisexual fantasies. They tell me that they want to be penetrated, be fucked, to feel like a woman, to feel sexy and desirable. The verbiage they use is of individuals wanting to let down their guard to be soft. Homophobes relate wanting to feel like a woman, which I interpret to mean, wanting to find balance to the masculine image that seems to take a toll on a man’s spirit, to wanting to be a woman. A man can want to experience the sensation of wanting to feel receptive and coveted without wanting to chop off Heavy D and the Boyz. Almost without exception, the same men that have opened up to me and shared their bisexual desires, they inevitably go on to espouse homophobic beliefs in public to my horror. I’ve created a space for them to be comfortable with their desires and they revert back to lying and shame. They think it’s a compartmentalized part of their sexuality that they can turn off if they deny it enough. It’s easy to see how men, who are so afraid of being bisexual, could engage in unprotected sex, because they are so adept at diassociating themselves from the act. They are so out of touch with their feelings that they can feel like they are a different person, and in many cases, they believe it. So when they meet a woman and tell her that they are 1000% straight, they desire to be that in their hearts because they are terrified of the alternative. They are terrified that they are going to start to want emotional relationships with men, not just busting a nut. NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING justifies lying to your partners about your sexual practices and putting them at risk for disease. Until we as a culture stop making men feel bad about the exact same desires that we extol in women, until we stop defining manhood as how much a man can oppress women with his penis, then we will be a nation steeped in dysfunction and infextion. I just want to say that I doubt that I’ve changed anyone’s mind about bisexuality at all. There are those men who are listening that have bisexual desires or who are actively engaging in bisexual acts who will still deny it to themselves and their partners. There are homophobes, if any have made it this far, which I highly doubt, that will still say “exit only” and Adam and Steve, and that’s disgusting. If people can walk away with one thing, I would hope it would be this. Bisexuality has nothing to do with a man wanting to be a woman, or a sign of weakness. Ultimately, bisexuality is about opening yourself up to sharing pleasure with someone who has the same equipment as you do. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 155 Registered: 03-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 10:57 am: |
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Very well written. Afroerotik, Hate to sound like another stereotype, but I've NEVER came across a man who was gay or bisexual that did not come across rather 'feminine'. Did you ever catch the season of the Real Word, where Karamo was supposed to be the gay thug? He was an example of men who were homosexual, yet masculine and macho. Well, the minute I laid eyes on him I knew he was gay, and noticed his feminine tendencies. That's why I can never understand how a woman can be with a man that is gay, and not know it. |
Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2098 Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 11:10 am: |
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Brownbeauty: That is nonsense. There are lots of gay men who are hypermasculine. I mention all the time Ernst Roehm--a scar faced war hero and one of Hitler's staunchest thugs. Stone homosexual. The elite forces of all militaries are full of them. I knew a man when he was fifty years old he could get down and do thirty pushups. Ex marine served in combat in Korea. Had four children even. Gay as he wannabe. The Sacred Band of the Thebans was 120 paired homosexual lovers--the toughest and best soldiers in Clasical Greece. The Janissaries of the Turkish Sultan were forbidden to marry and were said to sodomize the dead and dying on the battlefield. What do you think those old time pirates and sailors were doing with each other on those sailing ships without women. Be very careful. Some rock hard, sports loving, bearded All man could pull a down low trick on you real quick! |
Afroerotik Regular Poster Username: Afroerotik
Post Number: 46 Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 11:33 am: |
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Brownbeauty, I can assure you your gaydar is broken if you think that bisexual or homosexual men have to show feminine characteristics. Let's use a little logic here. If women can be attracted to other women and not be more masculine, there are certainly men who can be attracted to other men and not be feminine. If you define feminine as being emotional, sensitive, intuitive, or any anything opposite of macho, aggressive and oppressive, you are certainly sleeping with DL men, get yourself checked for HIV and join the 21st century in redfining black manhood. |
Rustang "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Rustang
Post Number: 297 Registered: 04-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 12:58 pm: |
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Sorry to tell you this Chris, but a man that is only 50 and can't do thirty push-ups has got to be either gay or disabled. |
Afroerotik Veteran Poster Username: Afroerotik
Post Number: 51 Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 02:58 pm: |
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Who knew sexual orientation was determined by calesthenics. |
Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 164 Registered: 03-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 04:15 pm: |
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Afroerotik, I look at Terry McMillian's husband and find it completely laughable that she was surprised to find out that man was gay. He was flaming. When I saw a picture of him, the minute I laid eyes on his texturized hair, and colored contacts, and big wide smile, he screamed a homosexual. I don't think that all gay men are overtly flamboyant. Though some seem much more subtle with it. But the signs are usually there. |
Lil_ze AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 93 Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 05:42 pm: |
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is it possible that "afroerotik", can put up a post that doesn't mention her porn website? a website that is "dedicated" to increasing afroerotik's bank account. im waiting for someone to start the disscussion about men marrying and dating 10 year old girls. i might start this as a new topic. ultimately, men marrying and dating 10 year old girls is about opening yourself up to sharing pleasures with someone who is younger. nothing more, nothing less. right???? |
Afroerotik Veteran Poster Username: Afroerotik
Post Number: 52 Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 05:49 pm: |
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That is completely untrue. Men can choose to sleep with other men and appearance and mannerisms have NOTHING to do with it. |
Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata
Post Number: 987 Registered: 08-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 06:05 pm: |
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Until I was 21, I was the biggest "fag-hag" this side of the Mississippi. Knew where all the best gay clubs were. They AREN'T all "obviously" gay. Many of these men I would have tried to pick up myself if I had met them outside of the bar. I remember one interesting trip to a bar, when a dancer tried to pick up me and a guy friend...at the same time. It was funny, but we both declined. (Actually, that happened twice. The second guy had a crazed/high look in his eye and kept looking around like he was paranoid, and we were afraid he wanted to rob us for cocaine money.) And another time (I'm going to lose a lot of respect here, but so what) 4 guy friends and I were all in a gay bar, and 2 much older guys was staring at us. One friend said, "let's give them something to look at". And the five of us started pretending like we were all making out together. That gave those old guys a show!! LOL... I have no problem at all with bi-sexuality. I just would hope that those who are would admit it to ALL potential partners, male and female. |
Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata
Post Number: 988 Registered: 08-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 06:09 pm: |
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Oh, there was another time....I met this FUCKING GORGEOUS MAN at the CNN Center. SPECTACULAR. HOT. I told a couple of my gay friends to go there to ogle him. One told him that he thought he was cute. He was LIVID. HOW DARE SOMEONE THINK HE'S GAY!!! I spoke to him a few times, but never had the nerve to actually ask him out (I was shy...at that time). Well, I decided to go to Backstreet one day... and who did I see dancing with his boyfriend? I was CRUSHED! But my friends felt much better. |
Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm
Post Number: 4530 Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 01:02 am: |
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HAHAHAHA!!!@"semi bisexual woman". Afroerotik? Ever been simultaneous done in the scooter and the pooper by a couple of bi-guys? |
Yvettep "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 1000 Registered: 01-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 04:43 pm: |
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ABM, BEHAVE!!! LOL |
Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 279 Registered: 12-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 06:04 pm: |
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I'm sorry, but the writer of the above piece has very little knowledge of real gay culture. Hasn;t the writer heard of BUTCH and FEMME, TOP and BOTTOM? The gay tops frequently outmacho the most macho heteros. If you think this is bullshit, then go to a gay bar/club and see for yourself. A LOT of bodybuilders are gays, and take steroids, etc. Afroerotik has a view of gays that many gay men would actually find patronizing. |
Afroerotik Veteran Poster Username: Afroerotik
Post Number: 55 Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 06:33 pm: |
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Patronizing how? Explain. I've said that sexual orientation is not a determinant of masculinity. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote. |
Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 280 Registered: 12-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 10:35 pm: |
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"I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again, Black men are emotionally immature. That’s not bashing black men, it’s a commentary on how we have let down our black boys in raising them to think that the standards of manhood are macho oppressive bullshit that in no way fosters their emotional growth. Black men don’t know how to be emotionally open and vulnerable because it’s never been a skill that has been taught to them." Like I said, you don't really know anything about gay men. You haven't even SEEN macho until you've really been into their culture. (I know because I have gay friends, and as a writer try to keep abreast of what's happening on the other sides of the sexual fence.) |
Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 178 Registered: 03-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 10:58 pm: |
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Most bodybuilders seem gay to me anyway. |
Schakspir "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 281 Registered: 12-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 11:26 pm: |
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BB123, that's because they are. (Generally.) |
Riverchild Newbie Poster Username: Riverchild
Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 11:34 pm: |
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@ Afroerotik: If people like you spent more time developing their personal psyche and lateral thinking instead of promoting their personal agendas and sexual egos to everybody else, this world would be a better place. Your tedious and convoluted posting gave me every reason not to visit your website. At the very least, I could pick 20+ unintelligent bleepers. Just to highlight one, by the way, there is no such thing as "1000%". I am done on this wasted thread. |
Lil_ze AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 98 Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 01:24 am: |
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afroerotik, is just trying to get rich, nothing more. oprah, condi rice, and afroerotik, spend so much time telling everyone how it is, and giving their opinions about everything under the sun. that they have lost out on the chance to do something important. like, maybe having CHILDREN. these sad, money hungry souls will enter old age with nothing but money, or the desire to get money. they will die alone because they have spent their lives in an attempt to get rich. actually this is quite sad. once the pregnancy window closes, there is no opening it again. |
Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm
Post Number: 4542 Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 11:58 am: |
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Yvette. "When one is in Rome, one must do as ROMANS do. Yes? HAHAHAHA!!! Btw: Notice she did NOT answer my question. Should I consider her silence to be an answer in the affirmative? |
Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2106 Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 12:28 pm: |
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Rustang: Well you are gay and disabled and way over 50 so why can't you do but one and a half? |
Moonsigns "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1115 Registered: 07-2004
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 03:37 pm: |
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Afroerotik, I see eye to eye with you on many issues--but not this one! |
Rustang "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Rustang
Post Number: 307 Registered: 04-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 05:55 pm: |
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I have to admit, Chris, that I can only do 25 on my left arm. |
Tonya "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2333 Registered: 07-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 08:05 pm: |
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Afroerotik, I'm all for the AA community's embracement of homosexuality, especially unions between black men; and I totally, totally agree that we should redefine black masculinity because it shouldn't be about hyper sexuality, machoism, and the oppression/exploitation of black women. Finally, I absolutely love sensitive men. My brother is that way--and it is my supreme hope to marry a man like him. He is more responsible and much wiser than most of the men I know--all of which I believe stems from his warmth and sensitivity. That said, I don't feel that we should be encouraging black men to take on gay tendencies. First of all, it is my strong opinion that people are born gay/bi/ect.; so maybe we should leave it at that, just appreciate these people for who they are without attempting to persuade others to become something they are not - gay/bisexual. To me, that will only lead to more people experimenting with an activity and/or lifestyle that they may later regret. When you're young, you can be swayed to do an awful lot. Gay/bisexuality is not a venture that we should be influencing young people who weren't born that way to indulge. Again, that could easily become something they'll later regret. Secondly, and in all seriousness, I CANNOT (!!) wake up one night to the man that I love asking me to stick something up his ass. I support gay men completely. But I am absolutely sure that I couldn't handle finding out that I'm in love with or even dating a man with gay tendencies. Even if he's not gay, asking me to stick him in the ass just won't be right--I'm telling you, I wouldn't be able to take it. Call me closed-minded but I don't think we should start encouraging black men to go that way. Please? for my sake at least, please! And I guess that's about it.
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Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique
Post Number: 4347 Registered: 01-2004
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
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I have skimmed over this thread just out of curiosity and nothing anybody wrote was eye-opening to me. My observation would simply be that same sex coupling is another facet of the human condition. IMO, the human species is constantly evolving, just like every thing else in nature. The world and the creatures who inhabit it today are quite different from the way they were thousands and thousands of years ago. There has been progression and regression, and the only thing that remains constant is the soul. In the distant future, the sexes may be interchangeable and this is something that will come about because at some point the spiritual will transcend the flesh and it won't be about what you are but who you are. I have argued this in regard to races and I don't think it's inconceivable to project it about the sexes. Some day, society may have a different face, and may be more specialized in structure. Breeding and reproducing will occur independently of love and pleasure. Brave new world? It's been said that the traditional family unit is necessary for survival, but the family like everything else may mutate into a different configuration. They say the more things change the more they become the same and, if life is the question and love is the answer, then the only thing that changes is who's loving whom. And keep in mind that ol swami Cynique, while looking in her crystal ball, did say the DISTANT future. LOL |
Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 418 Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Monday, April 24, 2006 - 11:26 pm: |
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Well, all of you all can keep your same sex bullshit, because I'd rather ride the pole than suck the hole - then, now and/or in the distant future. How any Black female can be happy about our Black men being gay fairy froot loops, when we seemingly have a Black man shortage is beyond my comprehension. And WTF is semi-bisexual? Some of you ppl are confused! |
Rustang "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Rustang
Post Number: 308 Registered: 04-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 12:10 am: |
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I'ld also have to admit some confusion on that semi-bi thing.I would think that this would be one of those is you is or is you ain't kind of deals.One thing I do believe is that what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is none of my business.Nobody has ever offered a satisfactory explaination of why I should even care in the first place.It's a strange world we live in.The best man I ever had working in my shop was a tiny little white girl.First rate diagnostician.It was like the car would tell her what was wrong with it and she'ld jump in there and fix it.Most of the time she'ld do it in about half the time it took your average man. Best painter I ever saw.You just never know.People shouldn't have to struggle to just be who they really are. |
Rustang "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Rustang
Post Number: 309 Registered: 04-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 12:12 am: |
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I'ld also have to admit some confusion on that semi-bi thing.I would think that this would be one of those is you is or is you ain't kind of deals.One thing I do believe is that what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is none of my business.Nobody has ever offered a satisfactory explaination of why I should even care in the first place.It's a strange world we live in.The best man I ever had working in my shop was a tiny little white girl.First rate diagnostician.It was like the car would tell her what was wrong with it and she'ld jump in there and fix it.Most of the time she'ld do it in about half the time it took your average man. Best painter I ever saw.You just never know.People shouldn't have to struggle to just be who they really are. |
Rustang "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Rustang
Post Number: 310 Registered: 04-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 12:12 am: |
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Oops. |
Lil_ze "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 102 Registered: 01-2006
Rating: Votes: 5 (Vote!) | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 12:23 am: |
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all this "bi-sexual", "homosexual", foolishness is just more propaganda aimed at destroying the black family. the powers that be have made a serious effort to make "homosexuality", "lesbianism" and "bisexuality" normal and accepted. "oh, to men having anal sex with each other is just another expression of human sexuality". "there is nothing wrong with it". have we all lost our minds? all that the normalization of "homosexuality" and "lesbianism", has done, is produced a generation of effeminate,confused black men, who will never reproduce or raise any children. the normalization of lesbianism has done nothing more than produce a generation of black women, who are almost like men in every manner, black women that hate men, and black women that will never reproduce. and some of our people really believe that two men having sex with each other, or two women having sex with each other is normal. and will actually challenge anyone who thinks its not normal. how insane. then these supporters of perversion try to scare off anyone who doesn't buy into this madness by calling them a homophobe. some people would be happy if every black man was a "homosexual", and every black women a "lesbian". then we would really be on the brink of destruction. not that we are far from destruction at this point. |
Rustang "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Rustang
Post Number: 311 Registered: 04-2005
Rating: Votes: 3 (Vote!) | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 08:37 am: |
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The only problem with that would be that there are many like me that really and truly from the bottom of their hearts don't give a damn about how consenting adults choose to pair off, that are parents and grandparents.The reason that there are more young black men in jail than there are that have a job is not gay marriage.The reason that the leading cause of death among young black men is other young black men is not that they are too effeminate.I don't think that hatred, blame and exclusion is likely to be an effective remedy.There are many serious and tangible problems confronting the black community.Too many people accepting other people for who they are is not one of them. |
Mony Newbie Poster Username: Mony
Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 12:05 pm: |
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Lil_ze, how do you know about homosexual love-making? "oh, to men having anal sex with each other is just another expression of human sexuality" |
Chrishayden "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2121 Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 04:19 pm: |
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Mzuri: "I'd rather ride the pole than suck the hole"??? My God, Madame! Have you no decorum? |
Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 419 Registered: 01-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 06:24 pm: |
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My deepest apologies but I ran all out of decorum and I just had to say that. Can you ever forgive me? LOL! |
Renata "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Renata
Post Number: 1006 Registered: 08-2005
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 06:27 pm: |
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All I have to say: if you don't like gay men/women, don't sleep with them yourself. |
Shemika Veteran Poster Username: Shemika
Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2006
Rating: Votes: 1 (Vote!) | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 09:31 pm: |
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Hate to be blunt but, I agree with Lil_ze 100% on this one. Between homosexuality and the preference for non black females there are few men suited for black women to have a family with. Homosexuality is killing us in more ways then one. Women also should not have to be with a man who's into other men. I wouldn’t want a man like that to father my children, but unfortunately many such men misrepresent themselves. The practice of bi- and/or homo-sexuality, or whatever you want to call it, is the very reason so many men hate women; they no longer have any use for them really – they’re just optional. I'm also amazed how judgmental and critical people are about something like being fat or overeating for example, which is only dangerous to that individual. Yet celebrate sexual behaviors that enhance the spread of contagious diseases to millions. And there is no way of knowing who these men are sexing and how. So let’s not be naive when it comes to all this "expression of sexuality". It’s nothing more than unrestrained selfishness.
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Brownbeauty123 "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 193 Registered: 03-2006
Rating: N/A Votes: 0 (Vote!) | Posted on Thursday, April 27, 2006 - 09:05 am: |
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How can any tolerate anal sex? I don't understand. I doubt that every homosexual engages in that. It's just not something that you'd just be up and ready to do at any given chance--like intercourse. |
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