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Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2283
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 10:33 pm: | 
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It seems, the Duke Victim would not have fared as well at "the late shift at Mickey D's" as you thought she would, Babygirl:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/15/oprah-and-min-wage/ |
Rastafurious
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Username: Rastafurious
Post Number: 28
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 10:58 pm: |
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can u put a price on dignity? |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 383
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 11:29 pm: |
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I don't know why ppl belittle McDonald's jobs. Entry level probably pays minimum wage, but ppl can work their way up, and management positions pay very well. A friend of mine worked there and she got PAID!
http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/work/crew/crewBenefits.html
McDonald's Restaurant Crew Employee Benefits
In addition to competitive pay, McDonald's Corporation offers many benefits to our U.S. restaurant crew that are designed to meet the needs of our diverse employees. We recognize the importance of a strong benefits program. This is reflected in our People Promise, with competitive pay and benefits as one of our five People Principles located on our Corporate site.
The benefits programs provide options for health and protection and savings plans for today and the future, as well as help in balancing work and life.
Our crew benefits program is another of the many advantages of working for McDonald's. When you add in competitive pay and career opportunities, you'll find that there's a lot to gain from being part of the McDonald's team.
Health Care Coverage
There are three medical plans to choose from, with different premiums and coverage levels. All three of the medical plans include prescription drug coverage. In addition, employees can select dental/vision and accidental death coverage.
401(k)
Once eligible, employees can contribute up to 50% of their before-tax pay to any or all of seven investment funds. McDonald's matches their contributions $3 for $1 on the first 1% employee contribute, and dollar for dollar on the nerxt 4% they contribute. For employees who contribute at least 1% to the plan, McDonald's may make a discretionary profit sharing match of up to 4% of pay to their 401(k) account. Employees are always 100% vested in their contributions and the company matches.
Mc$ave
Mc$ave is a money market fund for McDonald's employees designed to help them save on a regular, consistent basis. Money put into Mc$ave is invested in the Prime Reserve Fund managed by T. Rowe Price.
Credit Union
McDonald's employees can join the Corporate America Family Credit Union (CAFCU) and take advantage of its wide variety of products and services, including checking and savings accounts and competitive car loans.
MCDirect Shares
MCDirect Shares is a direct stock purchase plan that lets employees build ownership in McDonald's and reinvest dividends in the company.
BeyondWork
BeyondWork is a free Internet discount program for recreational products and services. McDonald's U.S. employees can go online 24 hours a day, seven days a week to BeyondWork's site and find valuable resources and savings on products and services.
Child Care
McDonald's has agreements with three national child care providers - Childtime Childcare, Kindercare and La Petite Academy - for a 10% discount on tuition for employees. (They do not offer discounted rates for children under age 2.)
Meals
Employees are eligible for a free or discounted meal when they work.
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Lil_ze
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Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 46
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 11:40 pm: |
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seems like hard work and struggle means nothing to some people. there is no dignity in taking off your clothes for money. a woman who works the late shift at mickey d's, has more dignity in her pinky than a lazy, cheap stripper. wow, look at how well this "alleged rape victim" has fared, due to her actions and the choices she willingly made. a woman working the late shift has enough self respect not to take off her clothes in front of strange men for easy money. women who work the late shift at mickey d's are an example that there are other ways to make money. no, its not an easy way to make money, but these women who work the late shift at mickey d's should be applauded for having self respect. a woman who take her clothes off for money, deserves only to be ignored. lets not always look for the easy way out. life is a struggle, but dignity and self respect are worth more than a few easy dollars. |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 949
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 12:45 pm: |
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I'd rather have a man who works at McDonald's, than a man who's too "proud" to work at McDonald's and doesn't work anywhere at all. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2286
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 01:26 pm: |
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Sorry. Blacks know more than anyone else that, as important as they are, dignity and self respect do not pay no bills. This "lazy, cheap stripper" was proactive and smart enough to work towards getting those papers--because that, my friend, is what's most likely gonna pay the bills.
We'll leave "dignity" and "self-respect" for the no good jail house nigger who knows nil one about taking care of families and paying life sustaining bills; which, btw, constitutes most Black men. If you are a black man, I suggest you clean your filthy fish and fowl BEFORE serving either one of 'em--(goddamned good for noth'n nigga!)--because statistically, you are no good.
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2290
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 01:59 pm: |
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I don't care if you are a triple star manager at the most profitable of Mickey D's--you are not raising two or more children... paying mortgage, light, and gas - forget the car note - you're not buying a bus pass AND paying a food bill and buying school or any kind of clothes... not on that LONE salary--let's stop tripping, boys and girls. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2293
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 02:12 pm: |
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And..
if you DO manage ALL of that... are you gonna send your kids to a school in one of our school districts??? Check the "Oprah bitch slaps education" thread. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2070
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 02:19 pm: |
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Yeah so she didn't work at Mickey D's and now she can't make NO money or finish school because she's been gang raped.
I wonder how long she's going to be in therapy after this? I wonder how she's going to feel walking down the street and having people look at her?
I wonder what she's telling her children or what her family is having to tell them about why mama is acting the way she do.
You go through all that and tell us if it was worth it. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2294
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 02:43 pm: |
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Was feeding and educating her kids worth it?? Well, I guess it depends on how important feeding and educating one's kids is. I know it was important to your great-great grand mammy! How important is it to you; and why should she {"the stripper"} feel any different? |
Jackie
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Username: Jackie
Post Number: 169
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 03:22 pm: |
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The late shift at Mickey D's demands a lot of hours like most fast food restaurants, who's going to watch the kids every night (graveyard shift at that? If you don't have a strong familial support system then it's very difficult especially if you don't trust your family or friends to watch your children. Where's the father ? He could be in jail, dead, a crack addict,remarried, or just don't give a fuck. Her profession allows for flexible hours and more money. Does she have transportation? Granted she shouldn't have been drinking at all on this job, and I guess she was self-employed, cause she shoulda had a brotha/body guard with her. Some of ya'll would be slammin her if she was on welfare too. Where does she live ? Does she rent ? Share a room with some fucked up people, and trying "by any means necessary" to get the hell out of the situation she's in ? Indeed, this is a learning lesson to her whether she's telling the truth or not, and the innocent victims in this incident are her kids. Instead of being so classist, judgmental, and down right ignorant we should be focused more on preventive measures and contributing to organizations that do outreach to lower income, underrepresented single mothers. Look at the bigger picture! Can anyone do that instead of being so myopic. Even if this Duke incident was all a fraud, there ARE single mothers who do this. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2297
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 03:37 pm: |
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I am probably one of the few on this board who doesn't know a lot about what it's like to struggle... especially with kids. I'd bank that this behavior amounts to nothing more than self-hate. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 2071
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 03:42 pm: |
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What are you going to do for THIS poor woman, other than get on here and argue that what she did was the right thing?
What she did was the wrong thing, just like if she had got up out of bed and driven to the market to get a pack of cigarettes and had got maimed in an auto accident.
I bet all of you who think this was such a wonderful decision are right now ponying up money to support her and pay her medical and other bills.
Not.
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Jackie
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Username: Jackie
Post Number: 170
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 03:49 pm: |
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Unfortunately, this incident has really hurt women who are real recipients of rape and sexual assualt. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2298
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 03:49 pm: |
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Nobdy's saying it was a wonderful decision; it's a decision - and a legal one at that. I gess, in your mind, cigarette smokers are ripe to get raped too. Gotchu. |
Lil_ze
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Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 50
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 06:51 pm: |
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tonya, i don't really see how calling people names like "nigger" acomplishes anything. if "statistically" most black men are "good for nothin goddamned niggas, as you say. then tonya, your father is a good for nothin goddamned nigga. your grandfather is a good for nothin goddamned nigga. your brothers, cousins, and uncles(according to you, and these so called "statistics" you claim exist) are all "good for nothin goddamned niggas" as you claim. your father must be proud his daughter thinks of him as a "good for nothin goddamned nigga. because if what you said is true(which there is no proof of) then your father, brothers, cousins, and uncles are all included in your statements. maybe you could put up a post that doesn't include name calling. because your name calling just proves what an angry, bitter, frustrated "good for nothin nigga woman" you really are. its no surprise that many of our men look else where for relationships. who the hell would want to deal with the attitude, bitterness, and frustration you clearly carry with you. the men in your family must be really proud of you. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2300
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 07:53 pm: |
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Dizzy:
i don't really see how calling people names like "nigger" acomplishes anything.
Tonya:
But you DO see how calling some woman "a lazy, cheap stripper" DOES??
I see.
Dizzy:
because your name calling just proves what an angry, bitter, frustrated "good for nothin nigga woman" you really are.
Tonya:
You wanna be the pot or the kettle?
Dizzy:
who the hell would want to deal with the attitude, bitterness, and frustration you clearly carry with you.
Tonya:
Too easy.
Dizzy:
because if what you said is true(which there is no proof of) then your father, brothers, cousins, and uncles are all included in your statements.
Tonya:
Okay. Bet.
Dizzy:
the men in your family must be really proud of you.
Tonya:
They can go fuck themselves.
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You are soooo LAME, bro. I"m say'n. I can't even muster a thought. Tootles. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2301
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 08:14 pm: |
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BTW, do you have a stutter? You sure spend a lot of time in each post repeating yourself. It would be funny as hell if that's the way you really talk. |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 950
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 09:10 pm: |
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I won't say anything about what she's doing to provide for her children as a single mother, if only because I know it must be difficult to raise a child alone. I'm married and have only one child and it's hella expensive for just food, clothes, diapers, toys, and a little extra things ....and we haven't even gotten to the age where he's going to want extracurricular activities, lessons (for sports, music, or whatever he's interested in), trendy clothes, etc.
I can only imagine what it would cost for 2 (or more) kids, and how difficult it would be to do alone. |
Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 951
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 09:12 pm: |
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And we both make more than twice minimum wage. (Of course, we were on just one income for 18 months, so things may turn around now that I'm working). |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 09:42 pm: |
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again, more name calling and nastiness. hey tonya, what is your source for the "statistics" you make mention of in the above post? is there actually a source, or are these "statistics" something you invented in your mind, to go along with the clear issues of bitterness and anger that you live with day in and day out? what a beautiful and feminine way you spoke about the male members of your family. your father and mother must be proud to have such a warm and sensitive, and above all lady-like daughter. oh, am i repeating myself? |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2302
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 11:48 pm: |
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Dizzy:
oh, am i repeating myself?
Tonya:
You can't help yourself.
A man who'd think I'd give a damn about being "ladylike," in light of the historic failure we KINDLY refer to as "Black Men"--(scratching the head)--somebody's got to be the man. Ah! Now that stung. So... next time, do your own research, you lazy bastard:
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/nytimes321
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060320/ZNYT02/60320065 5
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/20/news/blacks.php
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/03/20/MNGV9HQVRE1.DTL
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Lil_ze
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Username: Lil_ze
Post Number: 53
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 01:27 am: |
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if black men are a "historic failure", then im sure you would agree (according to your posts) that black women are a "historic failure" also. because black women come from black men.also who is this "we" you refer to? my family is from cuba. are the black men in cuba "historic failures"? what about the black men in brazil, columbia, venezuela, panama, honduras, the dominican republic, jamaica, trinidad, tobago, st. thomas, equador, peru, haiti, puerto rico, barbados, st. kitts, the bahamas and st. lucia? are the black men who dwell in those countries "historic failures" also? or are you just speaking about your father and grandfather as being "historic failures"? as far as someone having to be the man, its clear that you have a great desire to be a man. and you express yourself like one. its kind of sad that you view your father and yourself as "historic failures". because after is not your father a black man? so you carry in your veins the blood of a "historic failure". fea, amarga, tonta, morena. todo mis palabras son por vos. fea morena. i can come down to your level and name call also. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2307
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 02:28 am: |
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A Cuban. Coming down to *MY* level...? Puleeeze. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2308
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 03:22 am: |
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I held you at a higher esteem when I thought you were American.
You would have been held highest had you been African.
But you're a Cuban dust nigger.
And you act like you are a better breed than my American brothers...???
You had your REVOLUTION still you haven't a thing to show.
Instead you're "dwelling" over here... riding a 'historic failure's' coat tail.
And you have the nerves to put on airs, as if you can do better. Please Caller.
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Doberman23
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Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 317
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 06:42 am: |
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geez you fudgers are awfully judgemental, i don't think that being a stripper is as bad as you guys are making it out to be, do they take chances on running into more shitty dispositions than other women? i'm quite sure they do, but sometimes you need to get cashola a quick way. doing those private parties is when they run into these kind of situations, it still shouldn't have happened.
i worked at mcdonalds when i was in highschool and i couldn't see why any would have ambitions on staying there. that is a job for teenagers, ppl between jobs because they just got laid off or fired, seinor citizens, and college students. if your in your late 20's or in your 30's you really fudged up somewhere in your life if your still flippin patties at mickey d's. ppl trying to raise kids off of mcdonalds money... that's crazy... i'd suggest a girl get her strip on. but then again i'm a guy so i don't hate on strippers  |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 55
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 03:26 pm: |
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tonya, more name calling. very intelligent. i was using your words. you called black men "historic failures". my family originated in key west florida and in cuba. first black men are "historic failures", as YOU said. now they are your american brothers? which is it are they "historic failures" or your "american brothers"? who said anything about better breeding? not me. my great-grandfather was an american black man from key west, florida. my family is american and cuban. we are all black. you were the one who made the comment that black men are "historic failures". tonya, you were the one "putting on airs" when YOU called black men "historic failures". no one's riding anyone's coat tails because my family members have been in this country as long as anyone on this board. what is a "cuban dust nigger"? (more name calling, proof of lack of intelligence) is a "cuban dust nigger" similar to a "dirty nigger whore" just asking
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1093
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 03:46 pm: |
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Jackie:
"Instead of being so classist, judgemental, and down-right ignorant we should be focused more on preventative measures and contributing to organizations that do outreach to lower income, underrepresented single mothers."
Moonsigns:
I agree. I would like to see the government provide adequate, fair and high-quality OB/GYN care to all women. Providing this basic service would allow more women to feel educated and in control of their sexuality and reproductive decisions. In turn, I think there would be less children born to single mothers--and that would change our society in an incredibly positive way!
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1094
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 03:51 pm: |
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Doberman:
"but then again i'm a guy so i don't hate on strippers."
Moonsigns:
If you had a daughter and she wanted to be a stripper to get "quick" cash--would you "hate" on her?
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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2315
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 07:10 pm: |
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DIZZY,
THEY ARE WHATEVER THE HELL *I* WANT THEM TO BE. NOT YOU--YOU'RE A FILTHY FOREIGNER. I WAS QUOTING YOU QUOTING ME, LETTING YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T DO WHAT I DO. YOU'RE JUST A COUSIN--PROBABLY A HIGH YELLA DISTANT ONE AT THAT--OH NO! WATCH IT CUBAN DUST NIGGER! |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 61
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 08:10 pm: |
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im brown and love it. if "im a filthy foreigner"
(both my parents were born here, my father in harlem) then certainly you would also call kola boof a filthy foreigner also, right. hey, newsflash, there are brown skin people in other countries, not just america. what is with the "high yella" obbsession anyway? is there anyone out there who really believes that ANGELA DAVIS, KAREEM ABDUL-JABBAR, THE HONERABLE ELIJAH MUHAMMED, HUEY P. NEWTON, LUDACRIS, AALIYAH (RIP),OR T-BOZ FROM TLC, are any less black than michael jordan or wesley snipes? do they deserve to be called a derogetory name like "high yella", because some of our people have bought into the "divide and conquer" mentality? how petty and devisive. "you're just a cousin". what the hell does that mean? my great-grandfather was an american black man born in the united states. if im a "filthy foreigner" as you say. then would you also say that the people from jamaica, trinidad, barbados, the bahamas, guyana, the virgin islands, tobago, and st. kitts are "filthy foreigners" also. its sad that you would refer to the people of jamaica as "filthy foreigners". but being that you, TONYA, were the one who refered to black men as "historical failures". its not surprising that you would say such things about our people. TONYA, how can anyone take what you say seriously, when you are a person who would say something like calling black men "historical failures"? i wouldn't lower myself to your level by calling you something like, "a stupid, filthy, nigger whore". i just won't do it. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2319
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 09:15 pm: |
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You're right, bro. I need to change. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 121
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 10:17 pm: |
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Lil ze, is your great grandfather the only black blood you have in your family?
What is your mother and father's heritage? Were they mixed race as well? |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 64
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 10:56 pm: |
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brownbeauty, thank you for asking. all the members of my family are black. none of the people in my family are "mixed race". we are known as "conch people" from key west florida. but being that key west florida is very close to cuba. my family members are both cuban (some of our family, including myself were born in cuba), and american (born in key west). especially, before fidel castro took power in cuba, there was alot of back and forth between cuba and key west. my great-grandfather was born in key west. my grandfather in cuba. both my parents were born in the u.s. . my moms family has no connection to key west or cuba, but she was in cuba with my father when i was born. of course some of the people in my family are light skin, but no more than any other black american family. i think its safe to say that almost all black americans (including my family) have some members of their families that are light and some members who are dark or have darker skin. my grandfather is light or has lighter skin and my grandmother (god rest her soul) was brown skin. they had 5 children. 4 of them are light skin and one of them is dark or has darker skin. my father has light skin, but there is no mistaking him for a "mixed race". he is a black man who has light skin. like aaliyah was a black woman with light skin. my mom is a brown skin woman, and i have brown skin. all though our family is made up of cubans and black bahamians who migrated to key west florida. none of our family members would ever say we are "mixed" or have "mixed blood". we are black and very proud. my father and mother are both black. as are the other menbers of my family.
as a side note, i really don't like to argue of fight with other members of the board. and i take responsibility for playing in to this. maybe everyone here (including myself) can disagree without being disagreeable. if we differ in opinion fine, but calling each other names and looking for ways to hurt each other with words gets us nowhere. i want to say im sorry, if i insulted any of our people with my words. my intention is not to slander. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 123
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 11:02 pm: |
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Thanks for sharing.
Are there a lot of Black Cubans in Cuba? Are most of them mixed race? --like Christina Millian?
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Doberman23
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Post Number: 321
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 01:13 am: |
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moonsigns
since i dont have a daughter my answer is i dont care if she stripped. secondly if i did have a daughter and she did decide to strip and was 18 or older than, that's her right to do so. |
Lil_ze
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Post Number: 65
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thanks for asking. i haven't been to cuba since i was 3 or 4 years old. but, knowing about about cuba. i would say, yes there are alot of black people in cuba. many of the major league baseball players that come here from cuba are black (unmixed). its hard to say percentage wise how many cubans are "black". but it has to be atleast half the cuban population. many cubans do look like christina milian and are so-called mixed people also. many cubans are also white being there was a large migration from spain to cuba. most of the cubans in miami are part of this white cuban population. these white cubans are very anti-castro, because fidel castro's revolution brought an end to the apartide (i know i spelled "apartide" wrong") like situation that existed in cuba when batista was ruling there. the political view in cuba today is that the cubans are one people united. but, even fidel castro(who's father is a white spainiard) made a speech some years ago where he stated all cubans have black blood. many cubans do look like christina milian, but without question a vast amount of the cuban population is black. none could be mistaken for mixed or anything else. you could take many, many black cubans and put them in any american city, and i would challenge anyone to point out who is cuban and who is "black-american",our people in cuba are the same as our people in the u.s. . the only difference is the language spoken. there are many black-cuban organizations that recognize and take great pride in being black. sidenote, during the 1950's almost 60,000 black americans migrated to the dominican republic. the district of "SAMANA" in the dominican republic is where those black-americans and their descendents still live today. many of the people in the "SAMANA" district of the dominican republic have last names like jones, johnson, harris and other american names. i hope i was able to answer you're question somewhat. although my family is probably more familiar with key west florida than cuba, especially within the last 25 years or so. |
Rustang
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I really think that people should ease up on this girl for not just getting a job that pays minimum wage.It is not possible to raise a kid on a minimum wage job.Do the math.Let's say she works 10 hours a day, 6 days a week and that MickeyD's pays time and a half for overtime.and that she never misses a day's work, 52 weeks a year.That's 18,600 a year.FICA and SS are going to knock that down to about 12k before she ever sees it.That's about a grand a month.Day care for those two kids is going to run her about 160 bucks a week for each of those kids with MD's 10% discount.Let's also say that MD's is right beside a Krogers and she lives 300 yards away from them.She has no car and her rent/utilities is at the ridiculously low figure of 400 a month and that she is the coupon clipper from hell, so her grocery expenses are at about 50 bucks a week and clothing expenses for her and the kids average out to about 20 bucks a week.Nobody ever gets sick and has to see a doctor.All home furnishings just miraculously appeared.Throw in about 40 bucks a month for the unforeseen and she needs about twice what that job is paying.
It's very easy to tell someone else that they just need to tighten their belt and quit living large at the state's expense, or that they need to just knuckle down and work harder, but people need viable options in order to make good choices in life. |
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but can u put a price on dignity? |
Renata
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When she can live in dignity and feed it to her kids for breakfast, your argument will be valid.
It's expensive enough for 2 parents to raise one kid. I know it's hard for one parent to raise 2. |
Va_sis
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Dignity? Please.
Like Renata said, dignity & pride doesn't cut it when there's a lot at stake. And unlike selling drugs or robbery, stripping isn't breaking any REAL laws or "poisoning our community".
I have been in that girl's shoes and know of many other girls JUST like her that I've meet in my chosen journey.
I'm a single mom, have a bachelor's in marketing, and was having difficulty finding employment beyond temp jobs and facing foreclosure on my home that I purchased right after graduation.
No offense, but if you would have come to me with that "dignity" crap, you would have caught an earful.
Now that I'm past it, I'm stronger, smarter and I STILL have my "dignity". |
Va_sis
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Oh, and Mickey Ds (on top of my temp job) would NOT have saved my home. Poppin' my bootie did.
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Moonsigns
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Every woman is different. Some women feel hopeless and helpless while other women, for whatever reason, have the common sense to realize there are real alternatives to their situation(s). And while I have compassion for her and women like her, my compassion wears thin when these types of women continue to have child after child and act as if everyone else should pity them for their selfish, sexual encounters(s)--when in fact, it was their own lack of self-control that didn't regard the potential life/responsilbility they could create. It disgusts me. If they can find the strip club, they can definitely find a Planned Parenthood.
If I was in a similiar situation, I'd live with my children in a shelter and we'd eat at a soup kitchen everyday (unitl I got myself together) before I'd put the money of dirty bastards in the bellies of my children.
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Moonsigns
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Va_sis:
"stripping isn't breaking any REAL laws or "poisoning our community."
Moonsigns:
I happen to disagree with you. I think "stripping", especially as a form of entertainment (which it is--especially for men), teaches men in an overt way that, women are nothing more than sex objects. In turn, objectifying women in this manner, will, on some level or another, interfere with a man's ability to have a healthy and successful relationship with a woman who presents herself as more than just a sex object. When this behavior/entertainment is condoned in the home by a wife or girlfriend, the cycle continues as the children view this as "normal" expectations/standards for males and females. It's sick--and it is poison. It is a disservice to teach little girls and young women that the explotation of their bodies and any concept of a healthy, sexual identity is just compensation in order to survive and thrive. It is also a disservice to teach little boys and young men that this is a lawful option for their "entertainment".
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Va_sis
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You're reading too much into what I said. I'm not speaking about morality...I'm not even going to argue morality, because YOU nor I can judge ANYONE.
I mean laws by the intepretation of state. Selling drugs is illegal in every state, stripping is not. I'm sure you have the "common sense" to know that much.
My home was my blood, sweat and tears, literally. It's a HUD home that I put hundreds of hours of sweat equity into. It's my first home, and I was too proud not to loose it. I had the "common sense" to weigh my real options, and wanted to keep my home by any means necessary. And that was my choice. Done, finished.
Also, not all men who go to a club or show see women only as sex objects. However, I understand the point you are trying to make.
BUT, strippers don't turn men into pigs. Pigs were pigs long before they step into a titty bar. And they will still be pigs if all the titty bars shut down.
As far as the "perceived" cycle that you speak of is concerned...umm, no, it's not that serious. Hmmm. Does a woman who enjoy male strippers perpetuate the same "cycle" that you speak of? |
Moonsigns
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Va_sis:
"You're reading too much into what I said."
Moonsigns:
Again, I disagree. This is a simple issue. You said it doesn't "poison", when in fact, there is proof that it does--and just because it is legal and drug dealing is not, does not mean it's justifiable. They are two types of poison.
Va_sis:
"and wanted to keep my home by any means necessary."
Moonsigns:
Again, women are different.
Va_sis:
"But, strippers don't turn men into pigs. Pigs were pigs long before they step into a titty bar. And they will still be pigs if all the titty bars shut down.
Moonsigns:
I disagree. Because "strippers" reinforce this "pig" mentality by playing into the perversion of men. Just think if their were no strippers--if women were actually courageous enough to demand the attention of men in other ways besides the exploitation of their body. That would be powerful. Obviously, though, women don't demand it and just look at the price we are paying for it. I don't want that for my female children.
Va_sis:
"As far as the "perceived" cycle that you speak of is concerned....umm, no, it's not that serious."
Moonsigns:
Wow. I guess the ever climbing and alarming rate of HIV infected women isn't "serious" enough for you. I guess the ever climbing and alarming rate of children born to single mothers isn't "serious" enough for you. Unfortunately, all of these horrific, alarming and "serious" stats are indeed a reflection of the gross manner in which men and women alike condone, in overt and inovert ways, the degrading objectifcation of women in general--whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
Va_sis:
"because YOU nor I can judge ANYONE."
Moonsigns:
This isn't about judgement, this is about common sense--and children deserve to be raised better and know what is healthy and not. Objectfication of women at the expense of men's perversion IS not healthy for any society.
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Va_sis
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Moonsigns:
I disagree. Because "strippers" reinforce this "pig" mentality by playing into the perversion of men. Just think if their were no strippers-
Then there would be no piggish men or women? Did you miss the part that many women like male strippers?
*sigh*
Moonsigns:
Again, women are different.
Then recognize it and stop being so damn condescending.
Moonsigns:
Wow. I guess the ever climbing and alarming rate of HIV infected women isn't "serious" enough for you. I guess the ever climbing and alarming rate of children born to single mothers isn't "serious" enough for you. Unfortunately, all of these horrific, alarming and "serious" stats are indeed a reflection of the gross manner in which men and women alike condone, in overt and inovert ways, the degrading objectifcation of women in general--whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
What the HELL are you talking about?
I'M talking about stripping (dancing) and stripping only! Not unprotected sex. Not unwed mothers. Not prostitution. Stripping and irresponsible sexual behavior is not the same. Where is this tangent coming from?
STOP BEING PRESUMPTUOUS AND PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH. Geez!
Let's address your delusional, self-important rant....you want to talk HIV? Fine.
From what I know, HIV/AIDS attacked our communities LOOOOONG before modern popularity of strip clubs.
That's probably society can't come up with real, viable solutions to our many problems. Because people like you DON'T GET OR WANT TO DEAL WITH THE REAL ISSUES AT HAND.
African Americans are being infected with HIV at rates much greater than any.other.demographic.
A solution will include the reinforcement of safe sex. Not banning a strip club. Get it?
A solution would be recomendations and development of effective condoms that don't minimize sensation (#1 reason why young people don't use condoms). Not picketing outside of Magic City.
You "seriously" need a reality check. You need to realize that stripping is performed by men & women alike, and is enjoyed by men & women that are community leaders, career-minded professionals, politicians and preachers. Does it make it right? That's debate-able, but it damn sure doesn't mean their parenting skills are jaded and they are infecting the world with HIV. |
Rustang
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The truth of the matter is that one really couldn't say with any certainty what they would or would not do to stop their children from starving.A young lady will often go to astonishing lengths to provide for her children.Sadly enough, many black men do not share this dedication to their offspring, compounding the problem.A whole bunch of them choose to just throw some stuff in bag and leave, never to return.When I was young, married with a brand new baby, things were pretty tight.More than once I went a couple of days without eating so they that they wouldn't have to, and I'ld be a lying S.O.B. if I said that I didn't think about just bailing like my dad did on my mother.But I stayed, and that was without a doubt the smartest thing that I've ever done, for a lot of reasons.This girl is going to college, trying to make a better life for herself, and she is struggling to get by.The only people that condemn her life choices will be folks that have never been confronted with that degree of difficulty just getting by.It's easy to say that your dignity is not for sale when you can just write a check that won't bounce.Now,I have a long list of things that I flatly refuse to do, but I sure remember a time when that list was reeeeeal short.I understand what this girl was going through up until the time those snooty little bastards raped her, which it is looking like that is exactly what happened.I haven't gone so senile that I've forgotten what it's like to have nothing, and can sit back in the comfort of my home and say "She shouldn't be doing that.She just needs to apply herself more effectively and maintain her dignity at all costs. |
Lil_ze
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hey, maybe if black men are struggling financially, they should start making and starring in homosexual pornography. i mean after all its not "illegal". and if these men are in college, trying to make an better life for themselves, maybe homosexual porn is a reasonable alternative to working at mickey d's. i mean we can expect these men to feed themselves "dignity", so it maybe a good idea for them to get into homosexual porn. after all, homosexual porn is not "illegal". one question i have is how do all the other women who don't take their clothes off for money, how do they manage to get by? are all women in college taking their clothes off in front of drunkin men for money? maybe all black parents should teach their children to do anything for money as long as its not "illegal". black parents could teach young boys when they turn 18, and don't have enough money to get what they want. they should just start to make homosexual porn movies, because it's not illegal. and nobody could be expected to work at mickey d's or some other job, because they just don't pay enough. and all black parents should teach their daughters to take their clothes off for drunkin men when they turn 18, because nobody could expect them to work at mickey d's or some other job, because they just don't pay enough. hey, lets do anything (except work hard with dignity) for money as long as its not "illegal". |
Va_sis
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Ze,
Now you're just being an ass. And you need to learn how to break paragraphs.
I never said that stripping for a dollar was right and okay.
I said that I've walked that path where I understand if it comes down to it.
Black parents should teach their children preventive measures: budgeting, financial planning, virtues of a college education, freelancing and self-employment, finding a viable job in tough markets, so-on.
There it is again. Can't get to real solutions 'cause people like you & Moonsigns are too judgemental to deal with the REAL issues at hand.
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Lil_ze
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because i have an opinion, im being an ass? im not being judgemental. if you have "walked that path" as you say. then you should be in favor of 18 year olds doing homosexual pornography to get by. because you "understand if it comes down to it". homosexual pornography seems like a good solution to financial difficultes. if a woman taking off her clothes in fron of drunkin men, could be "understood, if it comes down to it", as you say. then certainly you could "understand" a 18 year old trying to better himself, doing homosexual pornography, "if it comes to that". as you say. i think i conveyed my point in my post. if it "comes down to that", for a woman to take her clothes off in front of drunkin men, and we "understand" this. then we can also "understand" black male college students making homosexual pornography. its not illegal, why don't we "understand" them making homosexual pornography? we seem to "understand" (or make exuses) for all types of other "jobs", that people do to "better themselves". why not homosexual pornography also? its not illegal, right? |
Va_sis
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You're being an ass because you're being facetious. And you are being judgemental...re-read your posts. We all know your stance on porn, and I'll venture to say that you're a homophobe, too.
But I'll bite.
A young man walks into a bar, and starts spilling his life story to everyone within earshot. He's struggling in college and decided, since he is a homosexual, to make money doing gay porn.
YOU: "You're the devil! You're worthless trash! Get a job at Mickey D's don't make porn! You're lazy!!!"
ME: Is your life that bad that you have to do porn? It is?
*silence*
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ME: Is your life that bad that you have to do porn? No? It's just easier to make a few G's that way?
*silence again*
You know why? Because I may not be able to provide him with any options that may suit his needs or desires. Therefore, why berate him?
Does it make him less of a person? Hell no! HE has to stand for himself at judgement day.
And for your information, I know how to make a dollar a lot ways- alot of it I learned after dancing. I've taught people how to be ebay sellers, how to find freelance avenues in their careers. I've even talked a couple people out of stripping AND introduced potential strippers to trustworthy people in th game.
The point is, unless you can single-handedly make a difference in a person's life, don't judge them for making the choices they make to get out of a bad situation.
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Lil_ze
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ive not judged or cast judgement on anyone. ive never called anyone the "devil". im not being facetious, im as serious as anyone who "understands" a women taking off her clothes for money. im just giving my thoughts. ive re-read my posts. i don't think im being judgemental. i can't make a difference in anyone life but my own and my children (which i don't have any). i think the greater issue is you saying "i think you are a "homophobe". what is that suppose to mean? i know men who feel that they should be able to take 12 year old girls as wives. now, if you va-sis, disagree with them, are you somehow a "phobe" regarding men marrying 12 year old girls? how do you feel about men marrying 12 year old girls? please answer? because if you are against it, then you are some type of "phobe" as you have tryed to say i am. remember there was a time when interracial relationships were illegal. now they are lawful. in many states homosexuality was illegal, now it is not. so men marrying 12 year old girls is illegal today, but maybe in the future it will be legal and accepted. so if you are against this oppressed minority of men who are prevented from expressing their love for 12 year olds. then of course, YOU would sound like a "phobe" and a bigot. as you have said, "i sound like a "homophobe" (whatever the hell that is?) |
Renata
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I love you sometimes, Rustang...and this is one of those times.
SMOOCHES!
I've never stripped, and don't plan on ever doing so. But if my husband walked out, and I had no home for my child, and no food for him.....DAMN STRAIGHT I'D GET NAKED. But because I DON'T HAVE TO, I can sit here all I want saying what she should or shouldn't do. But if I'm not willing to let her kids eat at my house when they're hungry, or let them stay at my house when they're homeless, I have NOTHING to say when she does what she has to to provide for them herself. |
Rustang
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Lil_ze, you say that as if it's supposed to be some sort of over-the-line deal breaker.If a young man is suitably endowed and emotionally suited to that sort of thing, what difference should it make to me if the only way he can come up with to buy books and pay tuiton is making gay porn?I'd rather he do that as opposed to getting a pistol and robbing for a living.Children are off-limits for a reason.They do not possess the wisdom or experience to make responsible decisions.If you don't see a difference between a lady in her mid-20s with a couple of children taking her clothes off and a 12 year old girl making kiddie porn, then you have a brutally simplistic way of looking at things, and might want to consider getting out amongst the regular folks a bit more often.If you are trying to put forth the idea that we are talking about a difference of degree rather than one of type, I would have to disagree with that idea since one is a fully aware adult making decisions and the other is a chid being brutalized for a profit.Having the sort of 'light switch' ethical system in which everything that is not perfectly right is completely wrong, and draws no distinctions based on circumstance, or admits of no situation in which the individual must choose the lesser evil from a limited set of bad options is not a system that translates into practical application very easily. |
Renata
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These same people who think what she's doing is wrong....are usually the same people who got huffy about paying taxes for welfare.
WELFARE ISN'T AN OPTION ANYMORE. It's being phased out more and more. In the state of Georgia, applicants only qualify for 4 years TOTAL in their lifetime for food stamps, housing assistance, and medicaid.
These strippers years ago would not have had to do this at all. But now that welfare is being phased out, they do what they feel they have to do to feed and house their children. They don't do this because they feel like shaking their butts for money, or because they like the outfits, but because they truly feel that this is the easiest way to put a roof over their kids head.
And I'm with you, Rustang, if a grown man feels like making gay porn for ANY reason...why the hell would I care? What business is it of mine what he CHOOSES to do? |
Lil_ze
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there was no mention of "kiddie porn" anywhere in my post. my point was regarding calling someone a "homophobe". who is anyone to call anyone else a "homophobe". if a person doesn't agree (which im not saying i do or don't) with 2 men having anal sex with each other that makes them a "homophobe"? but another point not about "homophobes", is something you said rustang. you said, "children are off limits for a reason. they don't possess the wisdom or experience to make responsible decision". not saying that i disagree with that, but for disscussion sake. there are many groups that advocate the abolishment of consent laws. they are of the opinion that children DO posses the wisdom to make responsible decisions as far as sexual relationships go. these group have the point of view that all "ageism" (as they call it) should be done away with. there should be no "off-limits" just the freedom to decided who they want to love, regardless of age. there are some people that think that 12 year olds are not children. that when a person reaches the age of 12, they are no longer children. my point is, if someone disagrees with the position of these groups, does that make them some type of "phobe"? someone said i sound like a "homophobe". as if disagreeing with someones ideas makes a person a "phobe" of some sort. then anyone who disagrees with "child-sex" advocates is also a "phobe of some kind, according to this kind of thinking. many groups out there have the opinion that children are fully aware and have the ability to decide whether or not they want to have physical relationships. now if i disagree, that makes me a "phobe"? the posts about making homosexual porn, were refering to people 18 or above. the post about 12 year olds and marriage (not kiddie porn)were trying to address the issue of calling someone a "homophobe". the two points had zero to do with each other. but i thought they maybe confused or linked somehow because they were mentioned in the same thread. this is not the case. |
Renata
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CORRECTION:
I think disabled people will still qualify. And housing assistance is still available, but not for long. Many of those section 8/ HUD housing communities are being KNOCKED DOWN and $200,000 loft style condos are being put in their places.
(West End used to be one of the worst parts of town, and now there are 2 new condo communities up).
But TANF, food stamps, and medicaid is only available for 4 years. So, those who used to be able to know that they have guaranteed food and housing and medical care for their children, now don't have that guarantee anymore. |
Moonsigns
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Va_sis:
"Did you miss the part that many females like male strippers?"
Moonsigns:
Actually, no, I didn't. I happened to be short on time yesterday. Nevertheless, in regards to women liking male strippers, I don't doubt it. But I think one must consider the whole picture. Men are natural born leaders. As a whole, their current leadership skills are questionable. And for this reason, I think in most cases, women only enjoy it because somewhere in their mind they think they are beating men at their own game--which is only an illusion.
Va_sis:
"Then recognize it and stop being so damn condescending."
Moonsigns:
I feel passionately that women shouldn't have to exploit themselves in order to survive. And my stance isn't because I have superiority complex, either. I'm not fighting you for "poppin' your booty", however, I'm fighting the very notion the we, as a society, condone this perverse form of "entertainment" as normal and lawful--when it's actually "poison" to our souls and that of our offspring. If I thought I was better, I wouldn't give a shyt about any of these women and their children, but my heart doesn't work like that.
Va_sis:
"What the HELL are you talking about?"
Moonsigns:
The direct correlation between the objectification of women, which stripping is one form, and the negative influence it obvioulsy has on the healthy progression/evolution of our society/communities.
Va_sis:
"I'M talking about stripping (dancing) and stripping only!"
Moonsigns:
Stripping, pornography, and prostitution go hand and hand. Men who are into stripping are generally into pornography. And men who are into both stripping and pornograpny, generally--and eventually--seek out prostitutes to fulfill their sexual hunger. And these are the men who are our boyfriends, husbands, fathers, sons, uncles, cousins, and nephews. And their sexual habits, more often than not, can be destructive and obviously are.
Va_sis:
"A solution will include the reinforcement of safe sex. Not banning a strip club. Get it?"
Moonsigns:
There is safER sex, however, there is no such thing as "safe sex". And banning strip clubs isn't this issue--because it's highly unlikely that will ever happen. However, putting restrictions on this "profession" and raising our children to have a different mind-set might very well.
Va_sis:
"You "seriously" need a reality check."
Moonsigns:
It's unfortunate you think that way. Nevertheless, regardless of what you "think", the fact remains, the objectification of women, regardless of who participates, is detrimental, in one way or another, to the emotional, mental and physical well being of women and the men they seek to have quality relationships with as well as the children they raise.
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1106
Registered: 07-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 10:04 am: |
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Renata:
"WELFARE ISN'T AN OPTION ANYMORE."
Moonsigns:
Well then I think we should just start handing out birth-control on street corners like it's phuckin' candy.
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Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 975
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 01:00 pm: |
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Works for me. |
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