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Abm
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Post Number: 4520
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 12:34 am: | 
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Attorneys: No DNA Match in Duke Scandal
Apr 10 9:13 PM US/Eastern
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By TIM WHITMIRE
Associated Press Writer
DURHAM, N.C.
DNA testing failed to connect any members of the Duke University lacrosse team to the alleged rape of a stripper, attorneys for the athletes said Monday.
Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.
No charges have been filed in the case.
"There is no DNA evidence that shows she was touched by any of these boys," said Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the team's captains.
The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at a nearby college, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her.
The Associated Press does not name alleged victims in sexual assault cases.
The allegations have led to the resignation of coach Mike Pressler, the cancellation of the lacrosse season and the suspension of one player from school.
The case also led to days of protests on and off the Duke campus, and some of the players have moved for safety reasons.
According to court documents, only lacrosse team members were at the party. Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators, who compared them with evidence collected from the woman.
Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested. It was not known whether investigators tested for DNA other than the players'.
Cheshire said the report indicated authorities took DNA samples from all over the alleged victim's body, including under her fingernails, and from her possessions, such as her cell phone and her clothes.
"They swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA," he said.
District Attorney Mike Nifong has said he would have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team.
"I believe a sexual assault took place," Nifong told The News & Observer of Raleigh on Monday. "I'm not saying it's over. If that's what they expect, they will be sadly disappointed."
He would not comment about the results to the AP.
North Carolina Central University, where the alleged victim is a student, said after the results were released that the prosecutor would appear at a campus forum on Tuesday to discuss the case.
"The truth is if you speak to crime lab directors, they will tell you that in only a relatively small number of cases is there any DNA evidence," said Peter Neufeld, co-founder of the Innocence Project.
Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently.
"The experts will tell you that if there was a condom used they would still be able to pick up DNA, latex, lubricant and all other types of things to show that _ and that's not here," Cheshire said.
Stan Goldman, who teaches criminal law, evidence and criminal procedure at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the DNA results don't mean that Nifong can't go forward with the case _ but the test results make a successful prosecution much harder.
"Isn't the absence of DNA evidence, given the way the victim has described the crime, in and of itself almost enough to raise a reasonable doubt?" he said. "That's all the defense has to do."
Robert Archer, whose son, Breck, is a member of the lacrosse team, said the test results only confirmed for parents what they already knew.
"I know the kids on the team and I know they're innocent," said Archer, of East Quogue, N.Y.
source: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/10/D8GTG5MG0.html
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Tonya
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Post Number: 2232
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 12:59 am: |
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Well how the fuck did she lose FOUR fingernails in their bathroom???
DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET NOT ONE BUT FOUR ACRYLIC NAILS OFF A WOMAN??--SHYYYT. THEY ARE LYING OR LAZY OR COVERING UP.
That's what. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 349
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 01:23 am: |
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Now what?
Now that the damage has been done, we wonder whether this was a false accusation.
Now we wonder about all the people whose lives have been ruined if it was.
Now we know why Jesse, Al and all the rest didn't come to the victim's defense - because all the facts weren't in and because of the presumption of innocence.
Now we can all stop jumping to conclusions and arguing with each other about things that we really don't know much about.
And now we wait for the facts. |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 993
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 01:42 am: |
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I think most of what was being argued about here had little to do with the actual case past a certain point. It had more to do with some of our concerns with how we Black women are viewed by society, including by Black men. It had to do with recognizing that "lack of facts" has never stopped Black leaders from jumping into the fray when other Blacks' lives and reputations are on the line. It had to do with sadness that even before the facts were in, many people seemed to believe that a sex worker's life was not worth much, especially if she is Black and even if she is a mother, daughter, and college student.
Whatever the lack of DNA tells us (and it may not mean every thing some are assuming), I predict the following:
Most of us Black folks--whatever else we do or don't believe--will go back to not caring much about the rape, assault, incest, murder, and molestation of Black girls (and boys) and women that occurs largely at the hands of Black men they know.
The mainstream media will be just as unlikely to report on cases of Black missing, exploited, or abused children and adults as before they were forced into attending to this case--maybe after a brief spike in attention.
Students who are poor, but determined, will still find ways to pay for college in the belief that an education is the key to the American Dream--and this "way" will continue to include work in the sex industry.
The deck will always be stacked against them, as they'll still be behind their peers who can afford to attend places like Duke.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4521
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 01:44 am: |
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Mzuri,
THAT's what I tried to say when this BS first cropped up.
Because, come on now, this involved HOOKERS. Not school teachers. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 4523
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 01:48 am: |
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'Vette,
What about a poor Black MALE student? What should HE do to earn money to pay for college?
Be a pimp?
All,
There are some people around here who owe me an apology. You know who you are.
And until I get it, fuck you. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 994
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 01:56 am: |
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Who are you talking about, ABM? If I said something to offend you, then I apologize--Because I do my best to stay above those types of fights.
I do know that many poor males do what they gotta do--including, as well, working in the sex industry. I mentioned women and girls because that is what this case brought up for me--a woman (and student and mother of girls). And I do not say that any woman *should* work in the sex industry to put food on the table or cover tuition--only that they do. And we do not talk about that. (And by "we" I mean mainly those of us in higher education.)
I hate to say this, ABM, but I think even a school teacher would have received much the same treatment. Remember the Mike Tyson case? A big deal was made out of her being a Sunday school teacher, an upstanding young women. You still had hordes of Black folk at the courthouse carrying signs calling her all kinds of "ho."
Right or wrong, I still believe many of us were reacting *as women*. Right now I am working alone, in my office after midnight, in a (maybe) otherwise empty building. You better believe I am going to feel for another woman who makes a rape accusation. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 350
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 01:58 am: |
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ABM - You'll be waiting a long time to get an apology from these ppl around here. They're like a dog with a friggen bone, they just don't seem to know when to let go and they can never admit when they're wrong. I believe my first reaction was to say that the girl had no business being at that location in the first place, and I got jumped on about that because I was supposedly blaming the victim. Then I said society doesn't give a care about prostitutes - got my a$$ chewed off about that too. You talk about reality with these ppl and it's as though they are living in WonderLand. Common sense is out the door here. |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 399
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 02:06 am: |
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This whole case was fishy from the beginning. First of all, let me tell you that they were never going to charge these boys to begin with. If they were serious about charging these boys they would have done so.
Secondly, like I said in my last post. I knew that the DNA test was going to come back negative. We are dealing with very rich, elite white ppl. Duke is a university that is often described as a country club for the very rich. These are sons of CEO's, senators, and congressmen. Don't you think that if they wanted to money could change hands and they could make a DNA test disappear.
Let me tell you guys a story about Duke University Hospital. A white male co-worker of mine, told me about how his mother died a couple of years ago. She died from cancer. Well, when she went to the hospital the dotctor's mis-diagnosed her and said she was having heart problems.
So they rushed her into surgery and opened up her chest and operated on her heart. When they close up the cavity in her heart she later developed a infection around her arteries and died. This left her surviving son and husband very distraught.
Well, they tried to bring a malpractice suit against the hospital. Now one would think that they had an excellent case, and that they would automatically receive millions. However, they need the eyewitness testimony of another M.D in the hospital that the operation took place. And not one M.D in that hospital would testify on there behalf.
That was devestating to there case. They ended up losing the case and did not see one red cent. Guess where this happened at? Yep! Good ole Duke university. He said that Duke is a very racist, and classist institution. And that just like in this case these ppl had the money to make this "problem" disappear.
Now this is out of the mouth of a middle-class, red-blooded, white American male.
Here are the facts. These girls were hired to dance at this party. Now why would a white fraternity hire to black strippers to dance for them unless they were going to do something bad to them. This knew the names of all of here attackers. Also, the head coach of this team resigned soon after this incident. Now, he must have known something.
Also, what about the e-mail. This e-mail written by one of the players described how him and his friends were going to "lure a stripper into the house, beat, and skin her alive. Now that is some sick shit. Also, DNA is not the end all of every case. These men could have very well used foreign objects, such as dildos, broom handles, and etc. This girl even remembers how a broom handle was used.
Let's also remember that this girl was demonized from the very beginning. She was called a prostitute, opportunist, and a liar from the very beginning.
This is just another example of how the rich, white, and powerful can get away with anything. |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 400
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ABM you are just a sick little NIGGLET who has taken on the attitude of his white slave master. I hope you and the rest of the non-black races BURN IN HELL!!! |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 401
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 02:10 am: |
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I meant to say "cancer" in my story. That is what the Duke M.D's said is what she had. |
Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 402
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 02:15 am: |
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Because of NIGGERISH black men like you this poor girl had to take a job taking off her clothes for drunk white men. The real question is why is this girl raising her two children on her own. Where is her "waste of sperm, sorry excuse for a man" boyfriend?
Do me and the rest of this board a favor A.B.M go find your little white trophy girlfriend, and spend some time with her. I'm sure she is missing you right about now. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 351
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 02:30 am: |
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SS - The "victim" was called a prostitute because she worked for an escort service. Regarding your theory about the fixing of the DNA tests, it's possible - but for all of that conspiracy, tampering and cover-up to have occurred, you would need the prosecutor and all cooperators willing to risk their careers in case the Feds step in to investigate civil rights violations. And on the medical malpractice lawsuit you cited above, it's almost impossible to win a wrongful death lawsuit and/or monetary compensation when someone was already terminally ill to begin with. |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 405
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 02:34 am: |
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Mzuri, money talks baby! These ppl aren't risking there careers if they know that there is a big payoff in the end. Also, they would be risking there careers if they didn't go along it. You honestly are going to sit there and tell me that you don't think that a bunch of rich, white men couldn't get away with this?
Especially, with the testimony of a poor black stripper, and an over-zealous D.A. |
Mzuri
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Post Number: 353
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 02:46 am: |
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SS - I'm damn near fifty years old baby! Don't you think I know that money talks. But it won't buy your a$$ out of a federal investigation and some prison time. Just ask M Diddy.
Can we please wait for the facts. Please. |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 407
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We can wait for the facts yes! But if these rich, white, future CEO's, senators, and congressmen have anything to do with it you will never know the truth.
You will only hear the testimony of a rich white man, about how he didn't do it. And if he did the Nigger bitch deserved it. |
Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 03:27 am: |
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if this strippers boyfriend is a "sorry exuse for a man". then she must be a sorry exuse for a woman. because this stripper/ whore laid down and had sex with this "sorry exuse for a man". she must be as sorry as he is because this stripper/whore chose this "sorry exuse for a man" to father her children. she picked him. if he's not around to raise his children with their mother, then she has to deal with it. because she allowed this "sorry exuse for a man" inside her. did she have a choice in having sex with this "sorry exuse for a man"? of course she did. she chose to lay with him. and this is the outcome. maybe before laying down with this "sorry exuse for a man". this lazy stripper/ whore "sorry exuse for a woman". should have thought about the consequences of her actions. |
Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1945
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 04:20 am: |
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This whole case is very sensitive for me,
and I find myself fatigued
into paralysis.
YVETTE said everything that I wish
I had the presence of
mind and education
to have put just this way:
I think most of what was being argued about here had little to do with the actual case past a certain point. It had more to do with some of our concerns with how we Black women are viewed by society, including by Black men. It had to do with recognizing that "lack of facts" has never stopped Black leaders from jumping into the fray when other Blacks' lives and reputations are on the line. It had to do with sadness that even before the facts were in, many people seemed to believe that a sex worker's life was not worth much, especially if she is Black and even if she is a mother, daughter, and college student.
Whatever the lack of DNA tells us (and it may not mean every thing some are assuming), I predict the following:
Most of us Black folks--whatever else we do or don't believe--will go back to not caring much about the rape, assault, incest, murder, and molestation of Black girls (and boys) and women that occurs largely at the hands of Black men they know.
The mainstream media will be just as unlikely to report on cases of Black missing, exploited, or abused children and adults as before they were forced into attending to this case--maybe after a brief spike in attention.
Students who are poor, but determined, will still find ways to pay for college in the belief that an education is the key to the American Dream--and this "way" will continue to include work in the sex industry.
The deck will always be stacked against them, as they'll still be behind their peers who can afford to attend places like Duke.
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I hate to say this, ABM, but I think even a school teacher would have received much the same treatment. Remember the Mike Tyson case? A big deal was made out of her being a Sunday school teacher, an upstanding young women. You still had hordes of Black folk at the courthouse carrying signs calling her all kinds of "ho."
Right or wrong, I still believe many of us were reacting *as women*. Right now I am working alone, in my office after midnight, in a (maybe) otherwise empty building. You better believe I am going to feel for another woman who makes a rape accusation.
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Kola_boof
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Post Number: 1946
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 04:24 am: |
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Serena_Sailor,
Though ABM and I are on completely different sides of this issue--to the point where I really can't speak to him directly---
....he is married to a sharp BLACK WOMAN and has always been there and been a good father to his two black daughters.
People disagree over issues...but he is not who you say he is or anywhere near it.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 2233
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 10:15 am: |
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Serenasailor..
I feel you 100%. And it ain't about rushing to judgment as in the case of this rape victim by some--I've smelled the shit for months--that nigger stinks.
And as you said, these are white men and a white media with too much power. Which is what bonded us together as blacks in the first place--and the reason why black women did whatever they had to feed and protect - you guessed it - black men. We've been hustling to save their skin since we landed. And now all of a sudden that a few have "made it" instead of hustling back, they want to "wait for the facts." Okay. It's time for us to wake all the way the fuck up.
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Cynique
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Post Number: 4309
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 10:19 am: |
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This case has garnered national attention and outrage and most black leaders as well as the feminist community were at the ready, waiting for the DNA tests. The problem is that when these sensationalistic incidents turn out to be unfounded, then The Cause is damaged and eventually exploited by the very people being accused, making supporters leery about taking future legitmate grievance seriously; it becomes comparable to the teasing boy who repeatedly cried "wolf", and when the wolf actually appeared, no one took him seriously. Black women have a reputation for being strong and independent and unfortunately they have no choice but to take control of their destinies and not contribute to their own downfall. They have to make better decisions in their lives, and until they do, they will continue to be devalued by a society that is comfortable with stereotypes. You cannot depend on your oppressors to liberate you. You cannot let the "bleeding hearts" ennable your bad choices. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 2031
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 01:57 pm: |
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The case is over. Just because there was no DNA doesn't mean there was no sexual assault or beating, but without that no jury is going to convict.
I am no prude and I say a person has a right to make money any way they can but I wouldn't want my daughter to be an exotic dancer because often it doesn't stop with that, any woman who goes to a house to dance for a bunch of men is taking her life in her hands--I know that it shouldn't be like that but that is the way it is.
Let us face facts. These exotic dancers, strippers, what have you are in it because you can make fantastic money, bookoo money, a thousand dollars in a night from tips only even in a cow town like St. Louis (actually all the strip joints in this area are across the river in Illinois). That is the lure of it.
Just like you can make good money peddling cocaine to upper scale customers--but there is the possibility of something foul happening to you --
It just ain't a good idea. Crazed emotions and passions are released the men look on the women as common prostitutes to do with as they will and if they have been getting drunk and getting high some bad things happen--I know a woman who was making some extra money like this and a bunch of guys grabbed her and when she wouldn't submit they raped and killed her. |
Roxie
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 04:05 pm: |
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At this point I'm staying out of this conversation. It made me say things I usually don't say.
All I want to know is....Why do blacks even bother to cheer for Duke's basketball team let alone attend that horrible school?
[*looks disgustingly at old photo of friend in Duke t-shirt*] |
Roxie
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You know, Duke probably got the idea for their mascot after someone called them a bunch of "blue-blooded devils".
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Shyfox
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When were the swab samples taken? |
Shyfox
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What about vaginal bruising? I believe that the victim stated that she clawed at the hands of one of her assailants as he choked her. Does this guy have any scratches on his hand or arm. I read that the police found the four red fingernails in the house and that this was consistent with the victim's version of the incident.
Has the use of condoms been ruled out? The story just said that there was no DNA evidence that this lady had sex of any kind.
What about her medical records. Do they show that she was beaten. I just don't think that the prosecutors would proceed on this allegation if they did not have something other than her word that she was raped.
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Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 02:08 am: |
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Serena_Sailor,
Though ABM and I are on completely different sides of this issue--to the point where I really can't speak to him directly---
....he is married to a sharp BLACK WOMAN and has always been there and been a good father to his two black daughters.
People disagree over issues...but he is not who you say he is or anywhere near it.
If that is the case Kola than ABM of all ppl should understand the plight of this poor woman. He should pray not judge every night that he is able to keep a roof over his daughters heads. Since he is judging so much he should be out in the black community helping young fatherless girls, and keep them away from professions like this.
ABM you are a lucky man to have a proud black wife and two black daughters, but you should remember who you are and what type of country that we live in. If something was to happen to you then you would want your wife to feed your children the best way she can.
Even if it means taking off her clothes for a bunch of drunk, horny, rich white men.
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Lil_ze
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 03:31 am: |
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feeding your children the best way you can means being a stripper/whore. i know plenty of hispanic single moms who feed their children by working jobs that don't require them to be whores. very sad how we look for exuses to justify the behavior of these low down whores. maybe we can raise the bar a bit,and not teach young black girls that is ok to take your clothes off for drunken white men. because these stripper whores screw the men they strip for also. but i guess thats ok with some people on this board. because thats the only way to "feed" their children, right. i hope not all of us justify and exuse whores. because this alleged victim is just a whore. did she ever think about earning money another way? oh, i forgot taking your clothes off and screwing white men is the only job she is capable of (according to some of the posters on this board). what a pathetic example this piece of garbage sets for our girls. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 04:13 pm: |
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this is unfortunatE. as a cultural group, our protests have been limited by our preoccupation with (a) white folks' sense of acceptable behavior and (b) our, oft, acceptance of the samE. consequently, the differences between right and wrong are blurred. rape is wrong, whether the victim be a prostitute or a virgiN. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 2043
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 04:44 pm: |
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Yukio:
Of course in the abstract you are right.
But it is not about the crime. It is about who commits it. |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1210
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 07:24 pm: |
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Chrishayden:
Certainly, it is about the crime and who commits iT. iN this case, it is about the alleged rape of a black women by a white maN. noW, it is clear that there is insufficient evidence to go either way, buT:
it sEems to me that people are criminalizing this woman rather than focusing on whether or not a crime has been committed, so that the issue of rape, whether it be by a black or white man, is replaced by the behavior and occupation of the womaN. in otHer words, the woman was guilty even before the alleged rapE!
i am taLkin about a broader issue, reallY! let me sTate immediately that my subsequent comparison is completely different, as it pertains to contenT.
we know tHat rosa parks was not the first black woman to protest segregated seating arrangements, of coursE. but what iS often not discussed, is the fact those other rebels whose cases could have been used to challenge segregation in the courts were discarded because they people, often women, were not considered respectable enougH. thus, the crIme of segregation was overshadowed by the fact that some black women cussed out the bus driver when she was removed by the police, whom she also cussed at) rather than sit silently, like mS. parkS. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2249
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 07:35 pm: |
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That's a PERFECT example, Yukio--
and I agree wholeheartedly with your 4:13 post:
as a cultural group, our protests have been limited by our preoccupation with (a) white folks' sense of acceptable behavior and (b) our, oft, acceptance of the samE. consequently, the differences between right and wrong are blurred. rape is wrong, whether the victim be a prostitute or a virgiN.---Yukio. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 1212
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 08:02 pm: |
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we know tHat rosa parks was not the first black woman to protest segregated seating arrangements, of coursE. but what iS often not discussed, is the fact that other rebellious women challenged segregation;the nAaCP discarded these as potential court cases, because these women were not considered respectable enougH. thus, the crIme of segregation was overshadowed by the fact that some black women cussed out the bus driver when they were removed by the police(whom black women also cussed out) instead of sitting silently, as had ms. parkS. |
Brownbeauty123
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Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 85
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 09:20 am: |
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Lil_ze,
while I think prostitution is not necessary for women in the United States to do at all to make money--there are so many opportunities here even if you have to flip burgers & wait tables for 14 hours straight
but in other really really poor countries where women have to choose between a) prostitution b) children starve and die...I don't blame them for selling their bodies.
And you seem to come down so harshly on the prostitutes...well please teach these "white men" not pay their hard earned money on "black women" for a good screw in the asshole. |
Schakspir
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Username: Schakspir
Post Number: 262
Registered: 12-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 12:33 pm: |
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"ABM you are just a sick little NIGGLET who has taken on the attitude of his white slave master. I hope you and the rest of the non-black races BURN IN HELL!!!"
Be quiet, you stuck-up little Nazi faggot. |
Brownbeauty123
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Username: Brownbeauty123
Post Number: 87
Registered: 03-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 12:59 pm: |
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Women who become exotic dancers are not in such poverty that they HAVE to, at least not in the US. There are all kind of jobs one can take up to make ends meet. This is not a third world country we live in.
Most young women who take on this profession do it for the same reason men sell drugs: fast and easy money. I personally, respect a woman's right to do so, it is HER body--but everyone is making it seem as though it's a do or die situation to be a prostitute or exotic dancer. These women are often built up as being *powerless*, when in fact it's the complete opposite. They are in control, and love the rush it brings of feeling superior over men. Hell, a lot of them are lesbians. |
Brownbeauty123
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Post Number: 88
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 12:59 pm: |
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And no, they don't deserve to be raped. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 2254
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 05:22 pm: |
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"These women are often built up as being *powerless*, when in fact it's the complete opposite. They are in control, and love the rush it brings of feeling superior over men."
Beauty, you are able to pick up a pen and a piece of paper and have someone respect you for your thoughts. For most of our history, it hasn't been that way. The only sense of "power" women had was limited to what they had between their legs--and since that's the way they were treated, that's the way many behaved. Lucky for you and me, things have changed--but, just like our situation regarding race and color, we still have a long way to go. |
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