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Chrishayden
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April 3, 2006
New York City Losing Blacks, Census Shows
By SAM ROBERTS
An accelerating exodus of American-born blacks, coupled with slight declines in birthrates and a slowing influx of Caribbean and African immigrants, have produced a decline in New York City's black population for the first time since the draft riots during the Civil War, according to preliminary census estimates.
An analysis of the latest figures, which show the city with 30,000 fewer black residents in 2004 than in 2000, also revealed stark contrasts in the migration patterns of blacks and whites.
While white New Yorkers are still more likely than blacks to leave the city, they are also more likely to relocate to the nearby suburbs (which is where half the whites move) or elsewhere in the Northeast, or to scatter to other cities and retirement communities across the country. Moreover, New York remains a magnet for whites from most other states.
In contrast, 7 in 10 black people who are moving leave the region altogether. And, unlike black migrants from Chicago, Philadelphia and Detroit, most of them go to the South, especially to Florida, the Carolinas and Georgia. The rest move to states like California, Ohio, Illinois and Michigan with large black populations.
Also, New York has a net loss of blacks to all but five states, and those net gains are minuscule.
"This suggests that the black movement out of New York City is much more of an evacuation than the movement for whites," said William Frey, a demographer for the Brookings Institution, who analyzed migration patterns for The New York Times.
The implications for a city of 8.2 million people could be profound. If the trend continues, not only will the black share of New York's population, which dipped below 25 percent in 2000, continue to decline, particularly if the overall population grows, but a higher proportion of black New Yorkers will be foreign-born or the children of immigrants.
Many blacks are leaving for economic reasons. Jacqueline Dowdell moved to North Carolina last year from Hamilton Heights in Upper Manhattan in search of a lower cost of living. Once an editor at the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in Harlem, she now works as a communications coordinator for a health care company in Chapel Hill.
"It was a difficult decision, but it was a financial decision," said Ms. Dowdell, 39, adding that the move also gave her time to research her family's roots in Virginia.
"I just continued to spend so much money trying to live without thinking about the future," she said. "I was focused on surviving, and I wanted to make a commitment to more quality of life."
The analysis of migration from 1995 to 2000 also suggests that many blacks, already struggling with high housing costs in New York City, are being priced out of nearby suburbs, too.
Among black married couples with children, only about one in three who left the city moved to nearby suburbs, compared with two in three white married couples with children. More black married couples with children moved to the South than to the suburbs.
Over all, more black residents who left New York City moved to Florida than to New Jersey.
But black residents who left the city were more likely to remain in the region if they had higher incomes and were college educated. And while black migrants to the South include some aspiring professionals, a larger share were lower income, less educated and elderly.
"All this suggests that New York City out-migration of blacks is unique in its scope — net losses to most states — and pattern — especially destined to the South," Dr. Frey said.
Reversing a tide from the South who altered the complexion of the city earlier in the 20th century, the number of American-born blacks leaving the city has exceeded the number arriving since at least the late 1970's.
"You have older people who leave the North just to go back to a place that is kind of slower, or where they grew up or went on vacation when they were younger — and when you retire, your money doesn't go very far in New York," said Sylviane A. Diouf, a historian and researcher at the Schomburg Center and co-author of a study of black migration. "You also have young college-educated people who find that the South has lots of economic potential and a lower cost of living."
The slower pace appealed to Gladys Favours, who worked for a city councilwoman from Brooklyn and moved from East New York seven years ago to a town of fewer than 1,000 people near Charlotte, N.C, after she was unable to find another job.
"I lived in New York for almost 50 years and loved what it offered in schools, entertainment and convenience, but I lost my job and finding one at my age would pay half of what I was making," she said. "I was divorced and moved here with my 11-year-old — I was afraid of the crime, and black boys don't fare too well in New York."
Her son is now in college and she is working for the county emergency services department.
"I'm 60 now," she said. "I think I was ready for the quietness."
While residential segregation persists, racial and ethnic minorities, including immigrants, have become more mobile, with lower-skilled workers lured to growing cities in the South and West for construction, retail and service jobs and professionals applying for the same opportunities that had been previously open mainly to whites.
"Some foreign-born blacks are moving out, too — to the suburbs as well as to other parts of the country, particularly South Florida," said Nancy Foner, a distinguished professor of sociology at Hunter College.
Andrew Hacker, a political scientist at Queens College, cited other factors. "After 15 or 20 years with, say the Postal Service or U.P.S., employees can put in for transfers to other parts of the country," he said. "As a result, more than a few middle-class black New Yorkers have been moving back to states like North Carolina and Georgia, where they have family ties, living costs are lower, neighborhoods are safer, schools are often better and life is less hectic."
In 1997, Christine Wiggins retired as an assistant bank manager after 25 years. She left Queens Village and followed her brother, who worked for New York City Transit, to the Poconos.
"It was hard for him, he had to commute," she said. "But we wanted to get away from the city."
The East Stroudsburg, Pa., area, where radio advertisements lured first-time homebuyers, was among the 15 top destinations for black residents leaving New York City. More black New Yorkers moved to Monroe County in the Poconos than to either the Rockland or Orange County suburbs of New York.
Over all, the city's black population grew by 115,000 in the 1990's, a 6.2 percent increase. (New Yorkers in the armed forces or who are institutionalized are not counted as residents.)
Those early estimates of the 30,000 drop in black population since 2000, a 1.5 percent decline, suggest that among blacks, the arrival of newcomers from abroad and higher birthrates among immigrants were not keeping pace with the outflow.
Last year, a study by the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research group, found that while the gush of immigrants continued into the 21st century, it appeared to have slowed somewhat.
A net loss of black residents, even between censuses, would apparently be the first since the Civil War. In 1863, after mobs attacked blacks during the draft riots, many fled New York City. "By 1865," Leslie M. Harris wrote in "In the Shadow of Slavery," the city's "black population had plummeted to just under 10,000, its lowest since 1820."
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Msprissy
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About Black leaving NY. I was about to post this article from the New York Times, too, and pulled up the board, and see someone else has read the morning news as well. I believe the economy is chasing people all over the USA. Jobs are leaving big cities (and small ones), matching funds are drying up for agencies and organizations, and pay checks are being reduced. Who can afford NY's high rent and food.
Left San Francisco because I couldn't retire there, and pay the high rent and cost of food. And I loved SF! It's not much different in Chicago, I'm sorry to say. |
Abm
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Maybe Black Americans should all band together and take over some uninhabited parts of Wyoming or something. |
Mzuri
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The Census Bureau offered some additional options for race classifications in the year 2000 and my thinking is that ppl who used to classify themselves as Black may have decided to declare themselves as something more "glamorous" sounding such as Creole or whatever. I don't believe that the Census statistics are a true indicator that there are less Black ppl in NYC than there were before. I'm not a statistician or anything - those are just my personal thoughts. |
Doberman23
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black folks are leaving michigan too, all the automotive jobs have been going overseas and i'm seeing alot of people have to forclose on their houses and are struggling big time. ABM i think your right, but wyoming is too cold ... lol i just came from milwaukee, black folks could easily punk out everybody there and take over. (it's cold there too) we're built for warm weather environments  |
Abm
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Doberman23,
What about New Mexico?
Hahahaha!!! |
Doberman23
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may as well since all the mexicans are coming here |
Abm
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I thought you might appreciate the irony. |
Doberman23
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lol ... where are you from anyways ABM? |
Doberman23
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i decided that i will visit every state in the u.s. ...except for north dakota and south dakota... because i just don't like the name dakota. i think i only have 23 more to go. |
Abm
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Illinois |
Doberman23
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do you think the bulls will make it to the playoffs? i will be heading over that way this summer but if the bulls make it to the playoffs i'm gonna go there before there knocked out of the first round. even though unlike milwaukee chicago has more to offer than basketball games ... i still like to go other places than the palace, because theres no way i'd go see the bears play ... it's too cold for that sh#t ...even in october ...you guys need to 86 that damn soldier field and get a dome |
Cynique
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Hey, Dobes, I don't think the Bulls are going to make the playoffs because they can't seem to get pass the mental block that invariably kicks in during the last 5 minutes of a game when they allow a big lead to dwindle as they end up losing by one or 2 points. If the Bulls had been able to overcome this loser syndrome they would've been a shoo-in or the play-offs because there had to be at least 15 games they gave away in the final seconds of a game because they lost their composure. And don't forget we have a world series champion baseball team in the White Sox that you might want to check out if you visit Chicago this summer. As for Da Bears, they aren't going to get a dome in the foreseeable future because they have a reputation of thriving in what is known as Chicago Bear weather when the temperatures are waaay below freezing and the opponents are frozen stiff. |
Chrishayden
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Cynique:
You are proof that all blacks are not basketball experts. |
Cynique
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And you, crissy boy, are proof of how sorry-ass losers grasp at straws in their desperate attempts to be winners. Pitiful. |
Chrishayden
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Da Bulls ain't gonna make it cuz they ain't got the horses. Pure and simple. Heart and strategy might pull it out for you up to the college level but on the pros it is who is the biggest, strongest, fastest and can hit the most shots. That's it. Nothing more. |
Aglae
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And this is news to who? I left over 20 years ago and never looked back. I got tired of paying a fortune to live at the same level of 3rd world countries. $2000 a month for a one room apartment in a bad neighborhood, can't afford to park in a garage, car gets broken into if you park on the street, then on Sundays busloads of white tourists pulling up in front of the churches in Harlem. Good riddance. |
Cynique
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Well, "Marv Alpert", the reason the question was even raised is because the Bulls are still in the running for the final play-off berth, and their division, with the exception of Detroit, is one of the weakest in the league. Also the Bulls made the play-offs last year, "without the horses." And don't tell me that being focused and having mental toughness is not a factor in playng basketball. There are a lot of teams with rosters full of super stars that don't excel because all of the egos mess with the team chemistry. Anybody with any sense knows that any sport involves mind games as well as athleticism. |
Schakspir
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"And this is news to who? I left over 20 years ago and never looked back. I got tired of paying a fortune to live at the same level of 3rd world countries. $2000 a month for a one room apartment in a bad neighborhood, can't afford to park in a garage, car gets broken into if you park on the street, then on Sundays busloads of white tourists pulling up in front of the churches in Harlem. Good riddance."
I was once offered a virtual box with a kitchenette in a nice neighborhood, around 147th Street for $750, and this was in 1998. It was one of the best parts of Harlem. The "apartment" was so small you had to open the fucking window to stretch your arms out all the way(just about). And all that(in a better part of Harlem)for 750. Bull, shit.
BTW there's no point in coming to DC because the rents are just as outrageous and there's an even higher percentage of blacks leaving here than in New York. At least New York has culture; DC doesn't have shit. |
Doberman23
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schakspir thats because dc had a crackhead running the show and was reelected to run it again...
cynique the bulls have the 8th spot right now so they might be able to hold on for 2 more weeks, they will definitly get there asses handed back to them if they play against detroit.
by the way, i know u guys saw that fight last year at the palace, did you notice that the city of detroit was hit up with more neagtivity after that. the palace is in auburn hills and it takes 2 hours to get there from detroit, and the people who where involved in the fight ...not one of them was a detroit resident... ok just had to clear that up for some of ya'll ...lol...but i would never move detroit myself ... those folks are crazy. (not all...but mostly) |
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